S-FM 46 The Troll Saves (Part 1) TAKE TWO!

[Roflcopter]

-=Players=-
1. Damus_Graves
2. Chane
3. Creedkingsx
4. Fatalis
5. Cryptonic
6. RLVG
7. AppleyNO

-=Reservers=-
1.
2.



S-FM
The Troll Saves
Part (One)

-=Roles=-

Godfather

Spy
Spy
Spy
Spy
Spy
Spy



-=Rules=-
-No smurfs.
-PMing is not allowed
-You may leave a last will, and godfather may leave a deathnote
-Lynch votes/unvotes in vote code
-Questions in green


Day will last until a lynch occurs or 22 hours pass
Night will last until godfather targets a player


-=Role Cards=-

Godfather:
You started this troll-save and -blacklisted spy
Troll the spies at night by posting in night chat
Target a player to kill each night

Spy:
You are an unwilling participant of the troll-save that didn't join the leave-train.
You can vote and see the mafia night chat, but cannot post in it.




Let's have a better game this time!

PM ME IF YOU WISH TO RESERVE

Night ends 22 hours from this post, you may lynch today.

And yes, i'm being lazy and only sending two PMs, one to everyone saying they are spy and one to the GF saying he's not spy.

[Damus_Graves]

Hi guys.

[creedkingsx]

helo
I am Godfather kill me now.

[Cryptonic]

creedkingsx

[Chane]

helo
I am Godfather kill me now.

6-layer wifom he is indeed GF -vote Creedkingsx

GG no RE

[Chane]

c'mon guys, leave train CHOO CHOO

and rofl wtf is with the day start timing... its so fucking late for me already -.-

[RLVG]

Yo dawg,
We heard you like spying,
So we put your spies in your spies,
So you can spy while you spy.

~ RLVG Poem

[Damus_Graves]

Chane troll some more so a vigilante can shoot you and save us all from listening to your moronicness

[RLVG]

Chane troll some more so a vigilante can shoot you and save us all from listening to your moronicness

Wait, the Veteran is a lie?

[Damus_Graves]

Wait, the Veteran is a lie?

Chane is scummy.
All I am suggesting.
However he could be simply dumb.

[creedkingsx]

You are all pussies, you won't even kill me today.
Then, tonight I will kill Damus since he is probably the best scum hunter of you all
And you will kill me tomorrow.
But, at least I can say you are all the most predictable shits ever. :D

[RLVG]

However he could be simply dumb.

Who have an average level of intelligence here anyway?

It's all about thinking inside the box.

[Chane]

You are all pussies, you won't even kill me today.
Then, tonight I will kill Damus since he is probably the best scum hunter of you all
And you will kill me tomorrow.
But, at least I can say you are all the most predictable shits ever. :D

damus will grant you a town read because of this. you are still utter scum to me.

[Damus_Graves]

damus will grant you a town read because of this. you are still utter scum to me.

No the only confirmed town to me is
Damus

[Chane]

Chane is scummy.
All I am suggesting.
However he could be simply dumb.

that sadly for you can't be the case, as there is a 98.3% chance that my IQ is higher then yours please stop pulling shit out of your ass.

[Chane]

No the only confirmed town to me is
Damus

interesting, *takes notes

[RLVG]

No the only confirmed town to me is
Damus

You're scum. May it be GF, or a traitor spy.

[creedkingsx]

http://funnyasduck.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/funny-scary-woman-dressed-evil-clown-under-bed-thats-ok-wasnt-tired-pics-600x432.jpg

[Chane]

Scumlist so far: Damus/Creedkingxs/RLVG

[Damus_Graves]

Dafuq?

Are you two high?

[Chane]

http://funnyasduck.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/funny-scary-woman-dressed-evil-clown-under-bed-thats-ok-wasnt-tired-pics-600x432.jpg

what are you doing with my facebook picutures WTF mob abuse mod-kill and ban please.

[creedkingsx]

that sadly for you can't be the case, as there is a 98.3% chance that my IQ is higher then yours please stop pulling shit out of your ass.

There is a 100% chance that your IQ test is not recognized by any psychologist that ever existed because no IQ test is recognized as an accurate IQ test.
:D

[RLVG]

Townlist so far: Damus/Creedkingxs/RLVG

Fixed.

[creedkingsx]

Dafuq?

Are you two high?

I only had like half a joint. lol

[RLVG]

I am Spy.

[Chane]

There is a 100% chance that your IQ test is not recognized by any psychologist that ever existed because no IQ test is recognized as an accurate IQ test.
:D

I actually got tested on the university of Nijmegen by a psychologist named Helene.

[Damus_Graves]

QUESTION TIME!
LETS DO THIS!

Chane - what do you think of Creed's initial posts and his switch to Memes

Creed- Do you agree with me that Chane is using a reaction test on us?

RLVG - What are you thoughts about Chane and Creed thus far?

And above all else what is it that you think of Damus so far

[RLVG]

I actually got tested on the university of Nijmegen by a psychologist named Helene.

IQ Tests are legit?

[Chane]

I only had like half a joint. lol

you ain't no dutch and you ain't no nigger so you that's enough to get you high.

[RLVG]

RLVG - What are you thoughts about Chane and Creed thus far?

Both high as fuck. I suspect Crypto.

[Chane]

QUESTION TIME!
LETS DO THIS!

Chane - what do you think of Creed's initial posts and his switch to Memes

he's playing his usual town play but he has developed another layer of wifom, I am calling it, he is the GF atm. his switch to memes is just another way of making you think he is diverting attention but really you gotta think though a bit.

Creed- Do you agree with me that Chane is using a reaction test on us?

maybe.

RLVG - What are you thoughts about Chane and Creed thus far?

And above all else what is it that you think of Damus so far

you are playing town leader this game again, interesting to say the least. lets try if we can crack the nut if there is one.

[Chane]

Both high as fuck. I suspect Crypto.

I swear I had no weed... today... I swar.

[RLVG]

Chane - What do you think of Cryptonic's single vote post?

Creed - What do you think of Cryptonic's single vote post?

Damus - What do you think of Cryptonic's single vote post?

[creedkingsx]

you ain't no dutch and you ain't no nigger so you that's enough to get you high.

lol yeah no.
ability to get high is dependant on a person BMI and a person's generalization to it.
i.e. people that are muscular or fat are less susceptible to it and people who do it a lot.
Race has literally nothing to do it.

And no legitimate psychologist would be able to say, "You IQ is this," with complete confidence.

[Damus_Graves]

Chane - Who is your secondary GF suspect?
If you had to choose someone to kill tonight who would it be and why?

[creedkingsx]

Chane doesn't know how to properly do a reaction test.
First rule of fishing for reactions, it only works on new people.

[Damus_Graves]

Chane - What do you think of Cryptonic's single vote post?

Creed - What do you think of Cryptonic's single vote post?

Damus - What do you think of Cryptonic's single vote post?

It is a troll post. However his choice is interesting as Creed is the most vetern'd of us all and as such has a better scumdar than us

[Chane]

lol yeah no.
ability to get high is dependant on a person BMI and a person's generalization to it.
i.e. people that are muscular or fat are less susceptible to it and people who do it a lot.
Race has literally nothing to do it.

And no legitimate psychologist would be able to say, "You IQ is this," with complete confidence.

they would after 2 days of testing on different areas. this way I discovered I had a 30 IQ gab in between Pervormal and Verbal IQ

leaving me at an average of 138, meaning my head could process and think of how to do something but my hand's wouldn't work with it. that gab is filled up now as this is a thing that changes over the years, the IQ though is a minimum.

lets get back on topic.

[RLVG]

1. Damus_Graves = Talks alot
2. Chane = High as fuck
3. Creedkingsx = Even more high
4. Fatalis = No messages
5. Cryptonic = Single vote post
6. RLVG = Sane
7. AppleyNO = No messages


= Chane?

[creedkingsx]

@everyone

If you could shoot me right now, would you and why or why not?

[Damus_Graves]

Creedkingsx - Opinion on Damus and Cryptonic if you will.

[creedkingsx]

Same IQ as me. lol
I bet my 5 dollar IQ test from wal mart is just as accurate as your little 2 day exam. :D

[Chane]

Chane - Who is your secondary GF suspect?
If you had to choose someone to kill tonight who would it be and why?

either you or RLVG for sure. RLVG is a freshman from SC2 that thinks his sheriff like scumplays will work in FM. that is what my opinion on him is now, he was thinking of trying to get town leader position as he realized that he wouldn't be able to handle the questions thrown at him throughout the game and as he saw you take that position before him.

and second target is you still as you could very well still be GF taking town leader position as its a good role to take in this set-up. it makes you invulnerable as long as you redirect attention and have a smart wifom filled night chat.

[Damus_Graves]

@everyone

If you could shoot me right now, would you and why or why not?

No I wouldn't.
you have the best scumdar and I would like to bounce my scum ideas off on you.

[Damus_Graves]

either you or RLVG for sure. RLVG is a freshman from SC2 that thinks his sheriff like scumplays will work in FM. that is what my opinion on him is now, he was thinking of trying to get town leader position as he realized that he wouldn't be able to handle the questions thrown at him throughout the game and as he saw you take that position before him.

and second target is you still as you could very well still be GF taking town leader position as its a good role to take in this set-up. it makes you invulnerable as long as you redirect attention and have a smart wifom filled night chat.

Partial Town thus far:
Chane
Creed
(I will not include myself as I would naturally say am town.)

[Chane]

@everyone

If you could shoot me right now, would you and why or why not?

I wouldn't as I could just as easily shoot you at night leaving me with a shot left instead of wasting them.

though if I was vigi with 1 shot day shot I wouldn't yet. and I would have played less aggressive on you and be more of a observer.

[Chane]

Dafuq?

Are you two high?

refer to location

<-------

and for creed, Christmas came early this year. I am good at getting shit across the border as I stated before.

[Damus_Graves]

1. Damus_Graves = Talks alot
2. Chane = High as fuck
3. Creedkingsx = Even more high
4. Fatalis = No messages
5. Cryptonic = Single vote post
6. RLVG = Sane
7. AppleyNO = No messages


= Chane?

This is the most useless post I have seen thus far

[RLVG]

either you or RLVG for sure. RLVG is a freshman from SC2 that thinks his sheriff like scumplays will work in FM. that is what my opinion on him is now, he was thinking of trying to get town leader position as he realized that he wouldn't be able to handle the questions thrown at him throughout the game and as he saw you take that position before him.

and second target is you still as you could very well still be GF taking town leader position as its a good role to take in this set-up. it makes you invulnerable as long as you redirect attention and have a smart wifom filled night chat.

Taking it all wrong!
It's all a matter of fridge brilliance, switching personalities leads to a whole new layer of WIFOM where someone tries to become a dominant leader.



Beside, we're all spies. What can we do?


From my analyze, we all could be spies and the scum is hidden in Crypto, Apple, Fatal.

[creedkingsx]

I wouldn't as I could just as easily shoot you at night leaving me with a shot left instead of wasting them.

though if I was vigi with 1 shot day shot I wouldn't yet. and I would have played less aggressive on you and be more of a observer.

There is only 1 scum.
Shooting during the day has the same effect.

[Chane]

Taking it all wrong!
It's all a matter of fridge brilliance, switching personalities leads to a whole new layer of WIFOM where someone tries to become a dominant leader.



Beside, we're all spies. What can we do?


From my analyze, we all could be spies and the scum is hidden in Crypto, Apple, Fatal.

I consider this a slip. you are talking from a godfather perspective that is using the we word to seem pro-town.

your post was far to defensive to my taste. and you're post gives no usefull info at all. -vote RLVG

you failed your test. F

[Chane]

There is only 1 scum.
Shooting during the day has the same effect.

btw your full town in my book now.

[Chane]

RLVG is reading the thread but not responding in 2 minutes. noted.

[RLVG]

-vote RLVG

you failed your test.

Aggression were just exactly the test.


-vote Chane

[Damus_Graves]

-vote RLVG

I agree wtih Chane as his posts have both demeaned others as scum and redirected attention away from himself.

[Chane]

Aggression were just exactly the test.


-vote Chane

:laugh: I was gonna test if you would reply to the second post about the timing instead. but you are really that retarded to retaliate that aggressively as a newcomer. and don't pretend you were performing any tests, I call bullshit.

[Chane]

fixing vote code: RLVG

[Chane]

such a weak defense for 2 minutes of thought. if you are town you got nothing to hide and you would not respond like it RLVG.

and you are trying to be aggressive to take town leader position. you won't its me and damus for now and you fail your tests worse then me at final terms.

[Damus_Graves]

WAIT!

-unvote


Re-read time.
Gotta look at it from both sides to see if it is a true slip

[Chane]

4 minutes of lurking and no reply yet. 7 minutes for creed. how interesting.

[Chane]

WAIT!

-unvote


Re-read time.
Gotta look at it from both sides to see if it is a true slip

ok, do so as you wish, if you believe it isn't a slip point it out from a town perspective as RLVG because I couldn't find any.

[Chane]

removing contacts, back in 5 minutes or so.

[RLVG]

4 minutes of lurking and no reply yet. 7 minutes for creed. how interesting.

You're too aggressive.

I'm doing just as Damus, re-reading.


Then when I'm to post?
"Warning - new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post. "


That slows me down and have to read the new message.:cheesy:

[creedkingsx]

I want to see RLVG's reaction.

[RLVG]

I want to see RLVG's reaction.

ლಠ益ಠლ

[Chane]

You're too aggressive.

I'm doing just as Damus, re-reading.


Then when I'm to post?
"Warning - new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post. "


That slows me down and have to read the new message.:cheesy:

"to" aggressive? never to aggressive mate. never. are you really that dumb that you haven't yet figured out I am pulling of basic reaction tests on you as we speak?

[Damus_Graves]

RLVG is a newbie. And as such is reacting as a newbie to me. Unfortunately this means that he could still be town just as easily as he could be GF

[RLVG]

"to" aggressive? never to aggressive mate. never. are you really that dumb that you haven't yet figured out I am pulling of basic reaction tests on you as we speak?


Why are we fake testing eachothers bad WIFOM style?

[Damus_Graves]

My evidence of this matter is my own play in that one game where CmG and Clem had a smurf they used to play the game with together.

[Chane]

RLVG is a newbie. And as such is reacting as a newbie to me. Unfortunately this means that he could still be town just as easily as he could be GF

well he does have many games of SC2 played so for that reason I figure him to be GF.

actually I played with him a couple of games, he had over 26k points and he can play town leader as scum if I recall correctly. but pubs will never reaction test you, this is why I hate 1.30 minute days.

[creedkingsx]

there really is no "reaction test." Not that anyone would call like tat anyway.
Sure there is fishing for reactions but someone who feels to talk about it or give it a name is someone who is really trying to take ahold of the reigns of the town and lead in a setup where there really is no leading the town, persay.

[creedkingsx]

well he does have many games of SC2 played so for that reason I figure him to be GF.

actually I played with him a couple of games, he had over 26k points and he can play town leader as scum if I recall correctly. but pubs will never reaction test you, this is why I hate 1.30 minute days.

Don't compare this at all to sc2mafia.

[Damus_Graves]

Don't compare this at all to sc2mafia.
Chane this is why I call you a newb so much :D

[RLVG]

I like how we suddenly got silent.

[Chane]

I g2g now, keep the wifom and the testing up, damus I trust you to take town leader position for now, cya'll tomorrow.

[Damus_Graves]

I g2g now, keep the wifom and the testing up, damus I trust you to take town leader position for now, cya'll tomorrow.

Don't trust unless you are 100% sure about someones alignment.
Trust is dangerous.


But anyways.

RLVG vantage point on the game as of now?

[creedkingsx]

"take town leader position"

He was town leader?
weird, I must have dreamed the last 75 posts then.
:D

[RLVG]

We need Apple, Crypto & Fatal to join the talk, so we can at least deduce behaviors in full crowd instead of limiting it to just us.


In my opinion :
You're a town for now, Creed is acting neutral.

[creedkingsx]

There is no neutral though.

[RLVG]

There is no neutral though.

You're still 50-50 scum / town!

[Damus_Graves]

Creed can you please answer the question I asked RLVG?

[creedkingsx]

So you are square 1 with me. :o

[RLVG]

So you are square 1 with me. :o

Well, you're awesome : You're the only one bothering to greet a happy birthday to me.

I still happen to suspect you somewhat, due to lack of contributing.

[creedkingsx]

I haven't contributed? ;(

okay, I wel meta host.

This game is 6 spies and 1 godfather.
I know he said it was 7, but I think one of us is godfather.

[creedkingsx]

Your birthday was so long ago, xD

[Damus_Graves]

I didn't know we were trolling Creed

[RLVG]

I didn't know we were trolling Creed

If I wasn't trolling earlier, what the heck was I?

[RLVG]

Your birthday was so long ago, xD

The thougth counts!

[RLVG]

This may go wrong, but let's speculate about Apple and Fatal.

[Damus_Graves]

What would you like to speculate about?
They have not posted. There is nothing to speculate about them yet.

[AppleyNO]

What would you like to speculate about?
They have not posted. There is nothing to speculate about them yet.
What do you mean? I posted. Number 91

[AppleyNO]

Use this for your notes

I would Dayshoot Chane.

[AppleyNO]

Besides, don't you guys know by now I get home at 4:40-5ish GMT-6 by now??????

Sheesh

[RLVG]

I have a strange way summoning people.

[Damus_Graves]

Appley what is your opinion on Damus Chane Creed and RLVG

[Cryptonic]

I bet RLVG is the scum.

[RLVG]

I bet RLVG is the scum.

There you are.

[Damus_Graves]

RLVG I do not like how you react to people calling you scum

[AppleyNO]

Appley what is your opinion on Damus Chane Creed and RLVG
Chane is being scummy as fuck, imo. This kind of play style got him dayshotted.

Damus is being standard leader. However, he is being more arrogant in his posting style.

RLVG, with no meta, seems ok. I would lean town.

I really don't know how to label creed. He seems town, I guess.

[Damus_Graves]

Chane is being scummy as fuck, imo. This kind of play style got him dayshotted.

Damus is being standard leader. However, he is being more arrogant in his posting style.

RLVG, with no meta, seems ok. I would lean town.

I really don't know how to label creed. He seems town, I guess.

Now will you please provide analysis of the interaction of these people?

[Damus_Graves]

Now will you please provide analysis of the interaction of these people?

I have my own theories but acting on my own leads to town death as shown by my previous hasty actions. Plus a secondary opinion is always helpful

[RLVG]

Well, I'll stop trolling as that seems to have become completely expired.



I still believe Damus is a town, which makes me think the GF will target him for leading or to kill everyone else to make him look suspicious.

What are your opinion of that?

[AppleyNO]

Now will you please provide analysis of the interaction of these people?

Period 5 - Pre-AP Forum Mafia

Damus seems to be pressuring everyone equally. Trying to get reads.

Chane seems to be trolling, not taking the game seriously and accusing everyone with reaction tests and "WIFOM" ploys, then falling back on some WIFOM text. (NOTE: Your WIFOM is bad and you should feel bad.)

RLVG seems to be taking a neutral road, same with creed.

[Damus_Graves]

Well, I'll stop trolling as that seems to have become completely expired.



I still believe Damus is a town, which makes me think the GF will target him for leading or to kill everyone else to make him look suspicious.

What are your opinion of that?

I think that posting this kind of thing is something scum would do to look more town aligned.
I have to ask why you bolded or. are you suggesting that is what he will do? (Second option)

[Damus_Graves]

Period 5 - Pre-AP Forum Mafia

Damus seems to be pressuring everyone equally. Trying to get reads.

Chane seems to be trolling, not taking the game seriously and accusing everyone with reaction tests and "WIFOM" ploys, then falling back on some WIFOM text. (NOTE: Your WIFOM is bad and you should feel bad.)

RLVG seems to be taking a neutral road, same with creed.

Partial Town list:
Creed
AppleyNo

[RLVG]

I think that posting this kind of thing is something scum would do to look more town aligned.
I have to ask why you bolded or. are you suggesting that is what he will do? (Second option)

In a setup of only 6 spies and one godfather, one can look more suspicious the longer they are a leader in my opinion.

You have my support however, since I believe you are a town member.

[Damus_Graves]

In a setup of only 6 spies and one godfather, one can look more suspicious the longer they are a leader in my opinion.

You have my support however, since I believe you are a town member.

You almost completely avoided my question mate.

[RLVG]

You almost completely avoided my question mate.

Yes, I am suggesting.

[Damus_Graves]

K thank you.

Cryptonic - Why so lurky? What do you make of Damus, Chane and RLVG

AppleyNO - Anything on Crypt there?

[AppleyNO]

K thank you.

Cryptonic - Why so lurky? What do you make of Damus, Chane and RLVG

AppleyNO - Anything on Crypt there?
He hasn't posted enough for me to get a read. He could just be bored.

[RLVG]

He could just be bored.

Isn't that exactly an anti-lurk reason?

[Damus_Graves]

I'm am preparing to head off and I should be back in a couple of hours.

[RLVG]

I need to be off, I'll be around tommorrow.

[Damus_Graves]

I'm back.
My game CTD T.T

[Damus_Graves]

No one is gonna post?

[creedkingsx]

hi damus.

I think Chane is the Godfather.
Bai damus.

[Damus_Graves]

NOOO
COME BACK PLEASE
DONT LEAVE ME WITH THEM!!!

*looks at the plebeians then at creed*

PLEASE!!!

[creedkingsx]

Chane

[Damus_Graves]

Creed while I agree that Chane is acting really scummy I feel like he is town based on his previous plays that are similar. He seems to play smarter when he is scum and he is pretty dumb this game

[creedkingsx]

meh

[Damus_Graves]

Chane -
Meta on him paints him as a shautty(shitty) town player who likes to "WIFOM" and "Test" people repeatedly no matter their role. While he has managed to use this meta to his advantage in past FMs where he rolled scum, here I do not feel as if he got so lucky. He is currently raging against the system which slots him into this assigned meta and is trying to rebel to the point where nobody pays attention to him. His style of play as town seems to consist of hit or miss, aka luck, and does not seem to portray genius or idiocy. When pressured he reactions show that he is fueled constantly by emotions that display the ease of which he can be manipulated (example is Flash Mob 2 game thread). His scum play shows potential and he uses accurate setup knowledge to attempt to dismantle others claims/WIFOM efforts while drawing the focus away from himself. He plays a bit more passively, taking a backseat, when he is scum with the exception of anyone of CC's his claims. When this happens he sets a course on their demise with a vengeance which leaves him blind to the other possibilities within a game. Since his style of play is showing town in this thread I believe him to be town as of this moment. His sudden disappearance does not support this idea nor does his narrow mindedness of who is scum.
EX: He calls both RLVG and I scum when we attempt to engage him with differing opinions. He wants to lead the town but fails to seize the opprutunity to do so when offered and instead tries to dislodge any current town leader with made up scum tells or a "call out" on created WIFOM, that honestly cannot exist within this setup during the day until night one comes into play if we do not manage a lynch on the GF again.


AppleyNO -
Appley has arrived into the day the moment he could and presents no hesitation when asked for reads. While Appley has shown to be a brilliant blender in the past, here he provides accurate and semi detailed reads on the posted players while similarly and promptly replying to each and every question presented. He is a very honest player, leaving almost nothing hidden even when he is scum, and his attention to styles leaves me to slot him into a town position. I do not believe he rolled GF at this present moment based on his swift responses and detailed-ish answers however let it be known that he takes pride in his scum play. While I fully place belief in his town alignment I wish not to be misunderstood in my reasoning behind both slotted alignment and explanation of possible scum play.

Creedkingsx-
Creed has played many FM games with me in the past and each time I take notice of how he plays each role and alignment assigned to him. HE likes to lurk more when he is scum and he enjoys deploying his meta reads on players to manipulate them into siding with him over the others players in the game. This game he has shown just enough town behavior to warrant my slotting him into a town position. The only thing stopping me from fully placing belief in his townness is the details in which are lacking from his each and every post. There is a clear lack of focus within them and uncertainty comes with the missing body of his posts. His disinterest in answering the questions asked to him are worrying however he has shown to be reluctant in the past to provide answers when asked questions. The only way to be sure of his role is to prompt him to post more, and provide more analysis within his posts. Until this happens I am unable to decide with any certainty of his alignment. During the course of our conversations I have been revealed that he mixes up his plays enough to distort reads such as this. Taking this into account I have detailed fully here my read on him which has changed from sure town to unsure alignment.

RLVG -
RLVG has never played a game with me and I cannot find one yet he has participated in. However I have taken the chance to test his responses and with sadness I could not match it with any certainty to alignments. He is either a good scum player or he is just simply what I explained earlier, a newbie, and with said newbness comes the anonymity of play styles. There is not much more I can say regarding his alginment however I can say that his spat with Chane is both disheartening and distorting with my wish to place him in a town position. Disheartening because of his instant reaction voting and distorting by his reasons as for descriptions of the players when asked questions after the spat.

~more is coming, for now I will be taking on the phone and will be back in some time, please use this for your own notes and do not lynch until everyone posts and we have a majority opinion on who is most likely scum. As you can see from my post here I am mostly in the dark about who is town and who is not.~

[RLVG]

RLVG -
I could not match it with any certainty to alignments. He is either a good scum player or he is just simply what I explained earlier, a newbie, and with said newbness comes the anonymity of play styles.

That@s what I am doing: Being neutral. As for playstyles, what if I keep changing for each game making it harder seeing how i work? Change has seen me on sC2 being a dangerous scum, but that@s different then FM.



There could be a chance he@s simply paranoid, for that experience so I won@t draw to a conclusion he might be a scum just yet.
As for the past vote, it wasn@t in code on purpose if you haven@t noticed the lack of an -unvote of a kind.

Also I@m at study of media & com, on a fucking MAC. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO USE
Don@t expect me to answer instantly untill i@m back home.

[creedkingsx]

Having trouble apostropising? (is that a word? lol)

[RLVG]

Having trouble apostropising? (is that a word? lol)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe
No idea if you can call it anything else then Apostrophe / Apostrophic.




It is a mac.

' and @ are swapped. WTF.
Ctrl are also useless: It is replaced with CMD (commando?)


I really wish this place had a Windows lol.

[Damus_Graves]

before anyone complains that this is not my usual post style I will remind them of this:

There are maybe three people who would get what I mean if I quote a post saying this guy is scum. That leaves 4 people unaware of the reason behind the accusation.
So I made a big post saying why I have the conclusions I do.

[Fatalis]

Hello guys! Let me catch up!

[Damus_Graves]

Hello guys! Let me catch up!

I already have questions for you :3

What do you think of Damus Creed Chane RLVG and AppleyNo.

[Damus_Graves]

Additionally what do you make of the interactions between RLVG and Chane; Chane and Damus; Creed and Damus; AppleyNO and Damus

[Fatalis]

Interactions are relatively worthless in this game, I don't think that it will help us find scum in any way

Damus- He is as usual a good town leader and scum hunter, his posts are mostly pro-town and done quite a lot of contribution for town

AppleyNO- Not enough posts for me to get a good read

Cryptonic- he did like 2 posts and then leaves for an extended period of time, VERY VERY scummy.

CreedKingsx- he trolled quite a lot, this game is basically mafioso vs citizen and TROLLING WON'T GET YOU ANYWHERE, sure, you might not get killed, but it will just make every town more confused and distracted from finding the scum

RLVG- he have contributed enough and acted quite well so far in my eyes, likely to be town

Chane- his posts are a mix of scum and town, he have contributed enough for now, I don't have any major reads on him

[Damus_Graves]

I disagree with you.
Interactive can be very enlightening. Take a look at Chane V RLVG for evidence.

[Damus_Graves]

I disagree with you.
Interactive can be very enlightening. Take a look at Chane V RLVG for evidence.

Oh yes, and you have to refer to my big post to fully understand what I mean

[Damus_Graves]

-.-

Interactions. Interactions. sorry

[Fatalis]

I disagree with you.
Interactive can be very enlightening. Take a look at Chane V RLVG for evidence.
In my opinion Interactions is more about how one player acts towards another player specifically, usually where a scum acts towards another scum on his team. I mostly judge people by how they act to other people by general, not individually one on one

[Fatalis]

Also I don't really get what you mean Damus, where is your big post

[Damus_Graves]

In my opinion Interactions is more about how one player acts towards another player specifically, usually where a scum acts towards another scum on his team. I mostly judge people by how they act to other people by general, not individually one on one

You are normally right.
But here there are interactions that can be looked at as well.

For example.

Chane "tested" RLVG who "tested" Chane back who was "testing" RLVG's "test"
This tells me that one of them is town for sure in that instance alone.

[Damus_Graves]

My big post is my only one with color

[Fatalis]

Hold on I'll be back soon, I have to go to my course

[Fatalis]

Hold on I'll be back soon, I have to go to my course

Which is about 30 minutes

[RLVG]

Chane "tested" RLVG who "tested" Chane back who was "testing" RLVG's "test"

YO DAWG



And there is Fatal! Welcome. He's acting calm enough. But a little too early for opinions.

[RLVG]

Cryptonic- he did like 2 posts and then leaves for an extended period of time, VERY VERY scummy.

Exactly.

[Damus_Graves]

I chose to leave Cryptonic with the benefit of a doubt as he is veteran'd and quite busy atm.

@RLVG

What do you think of the interactions of Damus and Chane; Chane and Creed; AppleyNO and Damus

[RLVG]

I chose to leave Cryptonic with the benefit of a doubt as he is veteran'd and quite busy atm.

@RLVG

What do you think of the interactions of Damus and Chane; Chane and Creed; AppleyNO and Damus

Neutral opinion, mainly because I don't want to re-read everything on a mac without a mouse.

But here's a direct question : Why would it / Why would it not: be a good idea to lynch the first day, and who if so?


Seeing Fatal and Appley, my suspicion on Chane and Creed has grown slightly.

[Damus_Graves]

Cryptonic -
I do not have meta on crypt as of yet and I hope to add this game to his meta list. He has posted twice this game with both posts lacking in terms of subsistence and meaning. He has stayed under the radar for the majority of this game thus far and one of his posts was a vote post on Creed. What this means is either trolling d1 or fishing reactions. Unfortunately his lack of activeness leans me to thinking he is scum however knowing that scum is alone leads me to the belief of scum being more active.

Fatalis -
Fatalis has provided both a hearty player analysis and left notice of his absence which I do not recall scum normally taking the time to do.
There is not much more to be said so I wait for his return to further my analysis.

[Damus_Graves]

Neutral opinion, mainly because I don't want to re-read everything on a mac without a mouse.

But here's a direct question : Why would it / Why would it not: be a good idea to lynch the first day, and who if so?


Seeing Fatal and Appley, my suspicion on Chane and Creed has grown slightly.


It would be a drastic mistake to lynch someone on d1 without a clear consensus of a lynch target. Last game Creed provided a good reason for why Fatalis was scum and Damus helped narrow down the list of possible scum with his townhunting. This lead to the town winning d1 but based on this batch of players I do not foresee an easy victory. The reason for this is both because of Chanes open proclamation on his trolling and the new players that have joined up with the game.

[Damus_Graves]

I would advise everyone to be aware of the ones who push for a lynch on Chane at this moment and also the people who believe that lynching today is a near must

[Fatalis]

It would be a drastic mistake to lynch someone on d1 without a clear consensus of a lynch target. Last game Creed provided a good reason for why Fatalis was scum and Damus helped narrow down the list of possible scum with his townhunting. This lead to the town winning d1 but based on this batch of players I do not foresee an easy victory. The reason for this is both because of Chanes open proclamation on his trolling and the new players that have joined up with the game.

I agree, yet I disagree
I'm back guys,
@RLVG It's never too early to have opinions, it will never hurt to do so
@Damus I've read your post "He wants to lead the town but fails to seize the opprutunity to do so when offered and instead tries to dislodge any current town leader with made up scum tells or a "call out" on created WIFOM, that honestly cannot exist within this setup during the day until night one comes into play if we do not manage a lynch on the GF again." <-I really agree on that,

This is a game of 6 v 1, with 1 KPN, theoratically the fastest possible number of day/night cycle for us to lose the game is 3, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE lynching the MOST SCUMMY player everyday. There is really NO reason for a town to be PURPOSELY SCUMMY *cough crypt* *cough creed*.

@Damus and RLVG, if you must lynch today, who would you do so and why

[Damus_Graves]

Chane -
Meta on him paints him as a shautty(shitty) town player who likes to "WIFOM" and "Test" people repeatedly no matter their role. While he has managed to use this meta to his advantage in past FMs where he rolled scum, here I do not feel as if he got so lucky. He is currently raging against the system which slots him into this assigned meta and is trying to rebel to the point where nobody pays attention to him. His style of play as town seems to consist of hit or miss, aka luck, and does not seem to portray genius or idiocy. When pressured he reactions show that he is fueled constantly by emotions that display the ease of which he can be manipulated (example is Flash Mob 2 game thread). His scum play shows potential and he uses accurate setup knowledge to attempt to dismantle others claims/WIFOM efforts while drawing the focus away from himself. He plays a bit more passively, taking a backseat, when he is scum with the exception of anyone of CC's his claims. When this happens he sets a course on their demise with a vengeance which leaves him blind to the other possibilities within a game. Since his style of play is showing town in this thread I believe him to be town as of this moment. His sudden disappearance does not support this idea nor does his narrow mindedness of who is scum.
EX: He calls both RLVG and I scum when we attempt to engage him with differing opinions. He wants to lead the town but fails to seize the opprutunity to do so when offered and instead tries to dislodge any current town leader with made up scum tells or a "call out" on created WIFOM, that honestly cannot exist within this setup during the day until night one comes into play if we do not manage a lynch on the GF again.


AppleyNO -
Appley has arrived into the day the moment he could and presents no hesitation when asked for reads. While Appley has shown to be a brilliant blender in the past, here he provides accurate and semi detailed reads on the posted players while similarly and promptly replying to each and every question presented. He is a very honest player, leaving almost nothing hidden even when he is scum, and his attention to styles leaves me to slot him into a town position. I do not believe he rolled GF at this present moment based on his swift responses and detailed-ish answers however let it be known that he takes pride in his scum play. While I fully place belief in his town alignment I wish not to be misunderstood in my reasoning behind both slotted alignment and explanation of possible scum play.

Creedkingsx-
Creed has played many FM games with me in the past and each time I take notice of how he plays each role and alignment assigned to him. HE likes to lurk more when he is scum and he enjoys deploying his meta reads on players to manipulate them into siding with him over the others players in the game. This game he has shown just enough town behavior to warrant my slotting him into a town position. The only thing stopping me from fully placing belief in his townness is the details in which are lacking from his each and every post. There is a clear lack of focus within them and uncertainty comes with the missing body of his posts. His disinterest in answering the questions asked to him are worrying however he has shown to be reluctant in the past to provide answers when asked questions. The only way to be sure of his role is to prompt him to post more, and provide more analysis within his posts. Until this happens I am unable to decide with any certainty of his alignment. During the course of our conversations I have been revealed that he mixes up his plays enough to distort reads such as this. Taking this into account I have detailed fully here my read on him which has changed from sure town to unsure alignment.

RLVG -
RLVG has never played a game with me and I cannot find one yet he has participated in. However I have taken the chance to test his responses and with sadness I could not match it with any certainty to alignments. He is either a good scum player or he is just simply what I explained earlier, a newbie, and with said newbness comes the anonymity of play styles. There is not much more I can say regarding his alginment however I can say that his spat with Chane is both disheartening and distorting with my wish to place him in a town position. Disheartening because of his instant reaction voting and distorting by his reasons as for descriptions of the players when asked questions after the spat.

~more is coming, for now I will be taking on the phone and will be back in some time, please use this for your own notes and do not lynch until everyone posts and we have a majority opinion on who is most likely scum. As you can see from my post here I am mostly in the dark about who is town and who is not.~



Cryptonic -
I do not have meta on crypt as of yet and I hope to add this game to his meta list. He has posted twice this game with both posts lacking in terms of subsistence and meaning. He has stayed under the radar for the majority of this game thus far and one of his posts was a vote post on Creed. What this means is either trolling d1 or fishing reactions. Unfortunately his lack of activeness leans me to thinking he is scum however knowing that scum is alone leads me to the belief of scum being more active.

Fatalis -
Fatalis has provided both a hearty player analysis and left notice of his absence which I do not recall scum normally taking the time to do.
There is not much more to be said so I wait for his return to further my analysis.


Interactions are relatively worthless in this game, I don't think that it will help us find scum in any way

Damus- He is as usual a good town leader and scum hunter, his posts are mostly pro-town and done quite a lot of contribution for town

AppleyNO- Not enough posts for me to get a good read

Cryptonic- he did like 2 posts and then leaves for an extended period of time, VERY VERY scummy.

CreedKingsx- he trolled quite a lot, this game is basically mafioso vs citizen and TROLLING WON'T GET YOU ANYWHERE, sure, you might not get killed, but it will just make every town more confused and distracted from finding the scum

RLVG- he have contributed enough and acted quite well so far in my eyes, likely to be town

Chane- his posts are a mix of scum and town, he have contributed enough for now, I don't have any major reads on him


This is being made for everyone to see a bit easier

[Fatalis]

I would advise everyone to be aware of the ones who push for a lynch on Chane at this moment and also the people who believe that lynching today is a near must

The godfather will always target the most pro-town player each night. And without any power roles, we can't fight back with night actions and will eventually die if we don't scumhunt properly. Lynching the most scummy player every day will narrow down the possible scums, I know this sounds stupid but we DON'T NEED people who purposely act scummy

[creedkingsx]

I trolled? lol
Fatalis, you need new definition to that word. I don't troll in mafia. Everything I do has serious reason to it. I don't do anything without assuring that it'll help the town in some way.

Okay, maybe those first couple posts but I consider the first 20 minutes of every game to be free writing time. The time where you can say anything, just let it spout out and nobody will take it seriously.
troo storee

[Damus_Graves]

I agree, yet I disagree
I'm back guys,
@RLVG It's never too early to have opinions, it will never hurt to do so
@Damus I've read your post "He wants to lead the town but fails to seize the opprutunity to do so when offered and instead tries to dislodge any current town leader with made up scum tells or a "call out" on created WIFOM, that honestly cannot exist within this setup during the day until night one comes into play if we do not manage a lynch on the GF again." <-I really agree on that,

This is a game of 6 v 1, with 1 KPN, theoratically the fastest possible number of day/night cycle for us to lose the game is 3, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE lynching the MOST SCUMMY player everyday. There is really NO reason for a town to be PURPOSELY SCUMMY *cough crypt* *cough creed*.

@Damus and RLVG, if you must lynch today, who would you do so and why

There is a problem.
What if I am the GF? or if RLVG is the GF? You and I have placed them at a higher chance of being town.
And If you are the GF yourself again Fatalis, what then? Lynching the scummiest player seems like a scum tactic. What do you say to this?


If I had to lynch someone today I would lynch either Chane or RLVG as I do not believe that the GF will lurk like Crypt has or "troll" like Creed has.

[RLVG]

Well, if I had to absolutely lynch someone - I would start out on Creed but even then I wouldn't lynch.

A good reason not to lynch in general is that the more you lynch, the less a scum slips and the less town there is to see it.



... A secondary reason is that this is a rehost of Troll Saves, because that game was too easy. We should stick around at least for a while first.

[creedkingsx]

As far as "trolling," I will literally allow only those first 2 posts of mine be considered trolling. If you call any other post of mine as trolly, you are scum and retarded.
But mostly retarded. :D

[RLVG]

There is a problem.
What if I am the GF? or if RLVG is the GF? You and I have placed them at a higher chance of being town.
And If you are the GF yourself again Fatalis, what then? Lynching the scummiest player seems like a scum tactic. What do you say to this?


If I had to lynch someone today I would lynch either Chane or RLVG as I do not believe that the GF will lurk like Crypt has or "troll" like Creed has.

You're such a Red Spy.

Then again, what if everyone supports you because they suspect you? Reverse psychology so to say.

[Fatalis]

@Creed I used the term not that accurately , but I can't find a good word to describe it so I'm just gonna use it for now

I haven't contributed? ;(

okay, I wel meta host.

This game is 6 spies and 1 godfather.
I know he said it was 7, but I think one of us is godfather.


Your birthday was so long ago, xD


"take town leader position"

He was town leader?
weird, I must have dreamed the last 75 posts then.
:D

I think of these posts as not-serious and relatively useless and non contributive, yes it's the way I think it and I'm sure not all people think that way, but anyone can see that those posts are not helping us find scum by any means

[creedkingsx]

I say let this go 1 night.
Let's get information from the kill. That leaves us 5v1 still and we will have some information. I think everyone took a lesson from Fatalis last game and are trying to hide themselves a little bit better to where, personally, I don't feel completely confident in committing to 1 person right now.
I feel like a polygamist. :D

[Damus_Graves]

You're such a Red Spy.

Then again, what if everyone supports you because they suspect you? Reverse psychology so to say.

That would require a bunch of people to be on the same page. The opposite is true for this game and as such Reverse psychology is not going to be a factor unless you use it on someone like Chane to get them to slip so to speak

[Damus_Graves]

I say let this go 1 night.
Let's get information from the kill. That leaves us 5v1 still and we will have some information. I think everyone took a lesson from Fatalis last game and are trying to hide themselves a little bit better to where, personally, I don't feel completely confident in committing to 1 person right now.
I feel like a polygamist. :D

I disagree.
I am not hiding as you are suggesting here.

[Fatalis]

There is a problem.
What if I am the GF? or if RLVG is the GF? You and I have placed them at a higher chance of being town.
And If you are the GF yourself again Fatalis, what then? Lynching the scummiest player seems like a scum tactic. What do you say to this?


If I had to lynch someone today I would lynch either Chane or RLVG as I do not believe that the GF will lurk like Crypt has or "troll" like Creed has.

Lynching the scummiest player doesn't seem like a scum tactic for me, at least as I'm not a GF suggesting this tactic. It is highly beneficial to us. I really doubt that someone who played extremely pro town and very good at scum hunting would be scum in a game like this (although there is no one yet who fits that category.. yet), there are certainly some people which are more likely to be town and more likely to not

[creedkingsx]

Second was just a casual response to the fact that I was the only person to wish him happy birthday (see his visitor wall)

The third was leading to my voting for him. He doesn't try to take town leader when he is town because he knows he isn't able to do that yet. I assume he knows anyway. So I feel he is trying to take a note form Appley in FM 15 and go for a scum town leader gambit.

[creedkingsx]

I disagree.
I am not hiding as you are suggesting here.

I say that as in the Godfather is hiding.
Unless that was a scum slip. :o

[creedkingsx]

Funny thing is I can't recall a single game where Damus is scum.
weird. :|
Makes it hard to meta him in a game like this. D:

[Damus_Graves]

Lynching the scummiest player doesn't seem like a scum tactic for me, at least as I'm not a GF suggesting this tactic. It is highly beneficial to us. I really doubt that someone who played extremely pro town and very good at scum hunting would be scum in a game like this (although there is no one yet who fits that category.. yet), there are certainly some people which are more likely to be town and more likely to not

The reason I say that it is a scum tactic is because not only is the term scummy a subjective word but it also is almost null in this game being that there is only one scum and all he has to do is blend in with town.
Take a look at your posts from a GF viewpoint. They look somewhat similar to what I would expect the GF to make.
While I can not imagine Rofl giving you GF again I cannot rule that possibility out.

[Fatalis]

I say let this go 1 night.
Let's get information from the kill. That leaves us 5v1 still and we will have some information. I think everyone took a lesson from Fatalis last game and are trying to hide themselves a little bit better to where, personally, I don't feel completely confident in committing to 1 person right now.
I feel like a polygamist. :D

I would prefer to lynch Crypt today if he doesn't follow his previous posts up with a good explanation, cutting a scummy player from our list of possible scums will help us greatly. Imagine if we have 3 possible scums the possiblity of us hitting the real scum is 33%, but if there is only two it's 50%

[Damus_Graves]

I say that as in the Godfather is hiding.
Unless that was a scum slip. :o

Oh. I misunderstood you then.
And I have been scum in 2 straight FM games in the other site, one MFM game in this site and scum I think twice in other SFMs here

[Fatalis]

The reason I say that it is a scum tactic is because not only is the term scummy a subjective word but it also is almost null in this game being that there is only one scum and all he has to do is blend in with town.
Take a look at your posts from a GF viewpoint. They look somewhat similar to what I would expect the GF to make.
While I can not imagine Rofl giving you GF again I cannot rule that possibility out.

Rofl says it's random.orged, everybody have the same chance of being GF ( I assume he is not lying ), of course it's not null, scummy people means that they are more likely to be that one scum

[creedkingsx]

Who gets to decide who the three possible scum are? :o

[Damus_Graves]

I would prefer to lynch Crypt today if he doesn't follow his previous posts up with a good explanation, cutting a scummy player from our list of possible scums will help us greatly. Imagine if we have 3 possible scums the possiblity of us hitting the real scum is 33%, but if there is only two it's 50%

This reasoning makes a bit more sense to me.
But do we have a scum list yet?
If so who and why?

[Damus_Graves]

Who gets to decide who the three possible scum are? :o

This as well.
Creed is good at manipluation, I am good with blending in with town, Cryptonic..I dont know..
Chane is good at being scum. AppleyNO got MVP when he was scum.
The list is near endless Fatalis.

[Fatalis]

Second was just a casual response to the fact that I was the only person to wish him happy birthday (see his visitor wall)

The third was leading to my voting for him. He doesn't try to take town leader when he is town because he knows he isn't able to do that yet. I assume he knows anyway. So I feel he is trying to take a note form Appley in FM 15 and go for a scum town leader gambit.
Who is him? I'm sorry but I don't get what you are talking about

[Damus_Graves]

Who is him? I'm sorry but I don't get what you are talking about

Chane imo.
Or Appley but he talks of Appley so I doubt that

[Fatalis]

@Damus:
Chane
Creed
Crypt

for me it's in that order, I know what I've said about Crypt before but unless he is pulling some sort of super risky Gambit I can not imagine him being this obvious, he plays mafia very methodically, and from what I have seen he uses less scummy wifom acts and more pro-town acts. ( I forgot the game where he is consigliere and claims detective cleverly to try and gain town trust *even though that backfires horribly* )

[creedkingsx]

Naturally, Fatalis is low priority because he was GF the first time.
Yeah, I get the whole technically same chance, but still unlikely.
It's like a 2% chance he is.

Damus, I feel is town. But I could change that, easily, at any given moment. :D

I stated how I feel, logically, it should occur for Fatalis, but you are feeling super scummy.

RVLG seems a little overreactive to pressure, but I will give the benefit of the doubt for now. I think I played a a game with him awhile back and we were mafia together, so the odds of playing another game with him and he drawing mafia twice in a row as a new player seem unlikely to me.

Chane is the scummiest for me so far.

Crypt and Appley I am not yet worried about being scum.

[Fatalis]

Chane's often complains and uses LOTS AND LOTS of excuses when he is scum, so there's that. And I haven't really seen Creed played scum that much but from what I have seen he likes to lurk

[Damus_Graves]

@Damus:
Chane
Creed
Crypt

for me it's in that order, I know what I've said about Crypt before but unless he is pulling some sort of super risky Gambit I can not imagine him being this obvious, he plays mafia very methodically, and from what I have seen he uses less scummy wifom acts and more pro-town acts. ( I forgot the game where he is consigliere and claims detective cleverly to try and gain town trust *even though that backfires horribly* )

See but I disagree here.
I think the list is:
Chane
RLVG
Cryptonic or Fatalis

[creedkingsx]

Who is him? I'm sorry but I don't get what you are talking about

The third comment you quoted. It was referring to Chane.
Did you read what you were quoting. O.o

[Fatalis]

Naturally, Fatalis is low priority because he was GF the first time.
Yeah, I get the whole technically same chance, but still unlikely.
It's like a 2% chance he is.

Damus, I feel is town. But I could change that, easily, at any given moment. :D

I stated how I feel, logically, it should occur for Fatalis, but you are feeling super scummy.

RVLG seems a little overreactive to pressure, but I will give the benefit of the doubt for now. I think I played a a game with him awhile back and we were mafia together, so the odds of playing another game with him and he drawing mafia twice in a row as a new player seem unlikely to me.

Chane is the scummiest for me so far.

Crypt and Appley I am not yet worried about being scum.

The RLVG meta is pretty much pointless, Rofl won't know about that plus he random.orged it so there might be a fair chance. If rofl lied he may even gave RLVG the scum role to see how well he plays

[creedkingsx]

Chane's often complains and uses LOTS AND LOTS of excuses when he is scum, so there's that. And I haven't really seen Creed played scum that much but from what I have seen he likes to lurk

It's actually funny because you are defending me a little bit here, but I am going to refute it. Everyone seems to think I like to lurk as scum, but I think it's the stupidest thing for any scum to do.

I really, in all honestly, just tend to leave my laptop open and like go out to a bar with a couple friends or go out for a run or make some dinner.

Everybody note that so they can stop saying it. haha

[Damus_Graves]

Naturally, Fatalis is low priority because he was GF the first time.
Yeah, I get the whole technically same chance, but still unlikely.
It's like a 2% chance he is.

Damus, I feel is town. But I could change that, easily, at any given moment. :D

I stated how I feel, logically, it should occur for Fatalis, but you are feeling super scummy.

RVLG seems a little overreactive to pressure, but I will give the benefit of the doubt for now. I think I played a a game with him awhile back and we were mafia together, so the odds of playing another game with him and he drawing mafia twice in a row as a new player seem unlikely to me.

Chane is the scummiest for me so far.

Crypt and Appley I am not yet worried about being scum.

Thank for you finally posting your thoughts on the players ^.^

Question who are you directing the bolded towards?
Being vague will not help town i think

[Damus_Graves]

It's actually funny because you are defending me a little bit here, but I am going to refute it. Everyone seems to think I like to lurk as scum, but I think it's the stupidest thing for any scum to do.

I really, in all honestly, just tend to leave my laptop open and like go out to a bar with a couple friends or go out for a run or make some dinner.

Everybody note that so they can stop saying it. haha

noted that you like to go party when you are scum ^.^

Honest Creed you know you lurk a little more for that opportunity to use meta on someone.

[Damus_Graves]

Thank for you finally posting your thoughts on the players ^.^

Question who are you directing the bolded towards?
Being vague will not help town i think

my initial thought was directed at Fatalis

[creedkingsx]

The RLVG meta is pretty much pointless, Rofl won't know about that plus he random.orged it so there might be a fair chance. If rofl lied he may even gave RLVG the scum role to see how well he plays

Pro-tip Just because the host says he random.org'd it, doesn't mean he did, although I think he did here.
And I don't think he did give it to RVLG.

Math is all a game of statistics. While it is fair to say everyone has an equal chance, considered other variables and it is safe to say they don't.

If I flip a weighted (in favor of heads) quarter 2 times, first time RVLG gets mafia (tails), would you feel comfortable saying he got it the next time immediately after? (tails again)

[RLVG]

If rofl lied he may even gave RLVG the scum role to see how well he plays

Is that even a legit reason? Being the host, he can naturally see who is GF and see how someone plays by being a liar, leader and et cetera regardless of being town or scum.

[creedkingsx]

Naturally, Fatalis is low priority because he was GF the first time.
Yeah, I get the whole technically same chance, but still unlikely.
It's like a 2% chance he is.

Damus, I feel is town. But I could change that, easily, at any given moment. :D

I stated how I feel, logically, it should occur for Fatalis, but you are feeling super scummy.

RVLG seems a little overreactive to pressure, but I will give the benefit of the doubt for now. I think I played a a game with him awhile back and we were mafia together, so the odds of playing another game with him and he drawing mafia twice in a row as a new player seem unlikely to me.

Chane is the scummiest for me so far.

Crypt and Appley I am not yet worried about being scum.

Damus...

[Damus_Graves]

Is that even a legit reason? Being the host, he can naturally see who is GF and see how someone plays by being a liar, leader and et cetera regardless of being town or scum.

Out of game discussion tech. but Yes. I do it all the time.

[Damus_Graves]

Damus...

I'm sorry.
I did post that my initial read was you directing it to Fatalis.
I just wanted it confirmed, not for me, but for the others.

[creedkingsx]

I'm sorry.
I did post that my initial read was you directing it to Fatalis.
I just wanted it confirmed, not for me, but for the others.

mmk. :P
I totes believe you.

RVLG is right, if I were rofl I would have made Damus the Godfather. I would want to see how Damus plays, of us all.

[Damus_Graves]

mmk. :P
I totes believe you.

RVLG is right, if I were rofl I would have made Damus the Godfather. I would want to see how Damus plays, of us all.
I know :)

If I were Rofl I would do so as well mostly because I am usually town.

[Fatalis]

Pro-tip Just because the host says he random.org'd it, doesn't mean he did, although I think he did here.
And I don't think he did give it to RVLG.

Math is all a game of statistics. While it is fair to say everyone has an equal chance, considered other variables and it is safe to say they don't.

If I flip a weighted (in favor of heads) quarter 2 times, first time RVLG gets mafia (tails), would you feel comfortable saying he got it the next time immediately after? (tails again)
It would be dissapointing if the host, basically the one who "controlls" all the basics of the game lies to us, the host should be the most honest person in the game. But since that he posts it outside of the game I won't bring that up too much

Oh come on you do tend to lurk when you are scum, I don't remember much of the games but I do remember that you do. The one where I am sure it happened is in my own S-FM

@RLVG Usually people are more seen how good they play as scum, as when you are town the other towns can carry the whole game, but it's harder for scum to do that so they have to be very good in order to win

[creedkingsx]

False.
If I want a wifom filled game, I would say that I random.org'd but actually pick the roles myself. The host has the power to control how much wifom and meta they want in their games.

There was a period of time where I "lurked" (by that I mean barely got on my computer because I was getting tired of it like I am sc2mafa) a bunch of games regardless of my alignment.

People just naturally remember the negative things like a person being mafia and the positives tend to blend together.

[Damus_Graves]

I skype PM'd the host as it was faster to do so, this is his response.

[5:09:44 AM] Damus: yo
[5:09:46 AM] Damus: u there?
[5:10:01 AM] Roflcopter: Mhm
[5:10:08 AM] Damus: Did you handpick?
[5:10:56 AM] Roflcopter: Nope, I never handpick, except limits on possible roles so there's not 6 doctors in a setup
[5:11:05 AM | Edited 5:11:09 AM] Damus: Can I quote this in game?
[5:11:48 AM] Roflcopter: I follow the same process with any fm randomization, I throw it into random.org and randomize it 42 times, and sure.
[5:12:21 AM] Damus: [5:11 AM] Damus:

<<< Can I quote this in game?
[5:12:42 AM] Roflcopter: Read last two words of what I just said :P
[5:12:56 AM] Damus: oh lol whoops



If you wish me to confirm it here I shall

[Damus_Graves]

Since we are still talking about hosting here -.-

If I am host I use my meta of handpicking to actually randomize the role making people think I handpicked when I didnt.

Lets get back on topic shall we?

[creedkingsx]

Pro-tip Just because the host says he random.org'd it, doesn't mean he did, although I think he did here.)

Just so people are clear on my stance here.

[Damus_Graves]

Just so people are clear on my stance here.

You seem to be irky tonight.
This seems to make you look a bit scummier than normal imo.

[creedkingsx]

You seem to be irky tonight.
This seems to make you look a bit scummier than normal imo.

My mind is starting to think too much again and get aggravated. lol
That means it's my time to sleep and calm me.

[Damus_Graves]

My mind is starting to think too much again and get aggravated. lol
That means it's my time to sleep and calm me.

Out of game discussion again. grr


I suggest hot tea and honey ^.^

[RLVG]

Well, talking about what the host did shouldn't be our concern.

Let's discuss who we can ignore, not adding them to a scum or town list.

[Damus_Graves]

Well, talking about what the host did shouldn't be our concern.

Let's discuss who we can ignore, not adding them to a scum or town list.

This is a bad idea.
Each person is critical imo and suggesting that say AppleyNO should be ignore, especially on d1 is a very bad move to make.

[Damus_Graves]

My Apologies for being the nay sayer in this game but there it is

[RLVG]

This is a bad idea.
Each person is critical imo and suggesting that say AppleyNO should be ignore, especially on d1 is a very bad move to make.

I'm not saying a permanent ignore, but only temporary.

[Damus_Graves]

I'm not saying a permanent ignore, but only temporary.

Even temporary ignore is bad.
If we choose to ignore the GF, which is what he would want, we put ourselves in a bad bad bad situation.

[Fatalis]

Why does everybody talk to each other on skype except me ._.
Also I agree on RLVG, it should be too important for us to consistently talk about it

However, I need to eat,talk, study, do homework, and generally do things so I might be gone for an hour or so

[Fatalis]

Why does everybody talk to each other on skype except me ._.
Also I agree on RLVG, it should be too important for us to consistently talk about it

However, I need to eat,talk, study, do homework, and generally do things so I might be gone for an hour or so
Shouldn't*

[Damus_Graves]

If you have the time to post here Appley please do so.
I would like your reaction to my post on you and your thoughts on Fatalis' play thus far.

[Damus_Graves]

Welcome back Chane.
Same questions as Appley has

[RLVG]

In about a hour, I'm returning home and I can go away from the hell called MAC.

[creedkingsx]

phuck

[creedkingsx]

phuck

you guys can ignore this post. lol

[RLVG]

phuck

How is this constructive in any way?

[creedkingsx]

How is this constructive in any way?

collar it momentary turrets.

[RLVG]

collar it momentary turrets.

Thank you for the valuable comment.

[creedkingsx]

Thank you for the valuable comment.

As valuable as your last 2 comments. :D

[RLVG]

As valuable as your last 2 comments. :D

Ditto to you.

[creedkingsx]

Ditto to you.

I am going to sleep now before my mind implodes on itself.

Goodnight. x.x

[Damus_Graves]

This is what I am talking about with interactions. They both are trolling each other trying to get a one up on the other and it can be used to determine their alignment in theory with their other posts.

[AppleyNO]

OH GOD WHY IM HERE WAIT

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4N5OhcY9s

Lets Play.

[AppleyNO]

I have some valuable information.

Cryptonic hates Citizen. He always has and always will.
That could be a reason for his lack of playing, coupled with the fact that he just got married a few days ago.

Meh, meta only goes so far.

[Damus_Graves]

I have some valuable information.

Cryptonic hates Citizen. He always has and always will.
That could be a reason for his lack of playing, coupled with the fact that he just got married a few days ago.

Meh, meta only goes so far.

Not to be negative but I already said this.

[RLVG]

Chane, don't lurk. :P

[AppleyNO]

Not to be negative but I already said this.
Oh, I thought you just said reason two.

OHHH
ok.


Well to answer your question in post 203:

AppleyNO -
Appley has arrived into the day the moment he could and presents no hesitation when asked for reads. While Appley has shown to be a brilliant blender in the past, here he provides accurate and semi detailed reads on the posted players while similarly and promptly replying to each and every question presented. He is a very honest player, leaving almost nothing hidden even when he is scum, and his attention to styles leaves me to slot him into a town position. I do not believe he rolled GF at this present moment based on his swift responses and detailed-ish answers however let it be known that he takes pride in his scum play. While I fully place belief in his town alignment I wish not to be misunderstood in my reasoning behind both slotted alignment and explanation of possible scum play.
I'm going to highlight things in different colors.

I'm glad someone leaned how I play.

That doesn't really prove much by itself. All it does prove is that I like to talk about others.

So I can post some thoughts in a quick manner? Thats how I get to be mostly green? T.T

Ok.

What do you mean by this?

[AppleyNO]

Chane, don't lurk. :P
Chane could be reading.

I'm going to get in the shower. BRB

[Damus_Graves]

Oh, I thought you just said reason two.

OHHH
ok.


Well to answer your question in post 203:

I'm going to highlight things in different colors.

I'm glad someone leaned how I play.

That doesn't really prove much by itself. All it does prove is that I like to talk about others.
It also suggests that you have nothing to hide. Which is town imo.
So I can post some thoughts in a quick manner? Thats how I get to be mostly green? T.T
You got green based on your meta and your play/posts here.
Ok.
k
What do you mean by this?
You noticed my arrogance in my posts and you also noticed both Chane's style and RLVG response if I am not mistaken. I believe this attention to detail is townish. Are you in disagreement?

There

[Fatalis]

I'm so sorry I think this will be my last message for today, I really have to study for the finals. After looking at the papers I realised that I can't even do 1/10th of them. If i can't be more active tomorrow I'll ask Rofl to replace me

[Cryptonic]

BUT I AM NOT CITIZEN, HAHAHAHA.

[Cryptonic]

If Damus dies tonight and creed turns out to be gf, imma slap you all.

[Cryptonic]

You are all pussies, you won't even kill me today.
Then, tonight I will kill Damus since he is probably the best scum hunter of you all
And you will kill me tomorrow.
But, at least I can say you are all the most predictable shits ever. :D

speaking about this

[Chane]

Welcome back Chane.
Same questions as Appley has

I had 2 hours left of school but I stopped 1 hour short because I am ill and depressed.

I am reading up and responses are coming.

[AppleyNO]

BUT I AM NOT CITIZEN, HAHAHAHA.
Spy is a citizen in this game.

[AppleyNO]

There
To the last point. I am not, just curious xD

[Damus_Graves]

I'm heading off to bed.
I request that Cryptonic supply his viewpoints on players at this point if he so pleases ^.^

[Cryptonic]

1. Damus_Graves
- N/A
2. Chane
- Defensive, could be gf.
3. Creedkingsx
- Troll claims GF right off the bat. Or was he wifoming trolling?!?!?!
4. Fatalis
- I get town from him, but i'm not really paying much attention.
5. Cryptonic
- James Bond
6. RLVG
- Possible GF here too.
7. AppleyNO
- N/A



I'll read more carefully later and give my thoughts more indepth and give a read on Appley/Damus.

[RLVG]

Woops, when I got home I wanted to take a rest but the alarm clock had no battery so I slept like a few hours lol.

[RLVG]

I am ill and depressed.

What's wrong?

[Chane]

What's wrong?

gf related issues and a pounding headache. I am in bed right now with my laptop on my lap. I felt asleep <.<

[RLVG]

gf related issues and a pounding headache. I am in bed right now with my laptop on my lap. I felt asleep <.<

That's bad... Take it easy, okay?

[Chane]

That's bad... Take it easy, okay?

lets get back on topic. I don't want to be looked at as the whiner and I most certainly won't allow any scum to come in with "get better" comments to seem friendly. that is if you are scum. thank you though. I am still formatting my thoughts on all the posts so far.

[RLVG]

I don't want to be looked at as the whiner and I most certainly won't allow any scum to come in with "get better" comments to seem friendly.

It's natural to have such a depression, beside I am friendly in general if someone has a hard time as that would probably help.

[RLVG]

So Chane, opinion of Crypto?

[Chane]

you've got to be fucking kidding me. my fucking pc's fucking CPU Proccesor and Motherboard broke down. I am on my school-work laptop again.

my opinion on crypt is 40% town 60% scum. not enough posts to form a solid read on him just yet.

[RLVG]

CPU Proccesor and Motherboard broke down.

How?
Overheating? PSU doing an overcharge? Watercooler broken, liquid over hardware?

[Chane]

How?
Overheating? PSU doing an overcharge? Watercooler broken, liquid over hardware?

iverheating

[Damus_Graves]

:|

[Damus_Graves]

Chane -
I don't know if you are being truthful or if you are just trying to stall for time but the time frames in which you posted each complaint had left you enough time to actually respond in full to my questions and RLVG question on top of that. You have shown here to either be extremely unlucky or you are scum who is trying to get away with not answering questions. I implore you to answer my questions when you get back if you can and refrain from active lurking and fluff posts as there is no Jester in the rolelist.

[Damus_Graves]

The reason I am asking so many of theses specific questions is so that we can get both an accurate read on who thinks someone is scummy and who thinks someone is town. One of the possible routes the GF can take is to pick off the most townish read people have and that will tells us a lot about who is GF.
For example, If Chane died tonight and RLVG had said he was the most scummy I could assume that the GF is not paying attention to the day chat or taking it with reasonable seriousness which would leave me to suspect Cryptonic.

[Damus_Graves]

@Both RLVG and Creed

What do the two of you make of Chane's situation atm? Do you both find it, like i, to be an extremely convenient looking at it from a GF viewpoint?

[RLVG]

@Both RLVG and Creed

What do the two of you make of Chane's situation atm? Do you both find it, like i, to be an extremely convenient looking at it from a GF viewpoint?

If he were not GF, the GF would keep him alive as a potential lynch victim for the strange story.

If he were GF, he might meta by going silent on all other FM in order to hide in an awkward way.



But if it's true of these events, we shouldn't press on it.

[RLVG]

We have no time left, and it's a matter of time untill night starts.


Do you guys have any final notes? Since all might have a chance dying, the message untold.

I personally think Damus, Apple and Fatal might be town.

[Roflcopter]

Sorry 'bout that late end, my keyboard decided to quit on me and I just managed to get it fixed.

Night chat here, along with rules for it in the first post: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/qkL585HS2nmr

[Roflcopter]

Day Two

AppleyNO was murdered by the godfather

Day ends 22 hours from this post.

Remaining Players

Damus_Graves
creedkingsx
Chane
Fatalis
Cryptonic
RLVG

Four votes to lynch

[Damus_Graves]

Wait what? He posted already?
*Looks at post*

Alright this tells us something.
He kept the night really short and only made one post with spelling mistakes.
Either this is a WIFOM mistake to make us track onto Chane or RLVG or he is one of the players that misspell things a lot.
His target of AppleyNO suggests that he is taking out generally assumed townsmembers and quite frankly I am shocked at being alive even though Cryptonic gave me slight WIFOM protection. The fact that this happened could also mean Creed is GF and got scared off of killing me.

Does anyone know what the choice in the "?" name means? I am drawing a blank

[Cryptonic]

LOL that's definitely damus.
Damus_Graves