Day II: Windows To The Soul

[Elixir]

Organized criminals running the streets unchecked and a heretic, ritualistic, society working in secret; the townsfolk of Cosenza thought they had seen it all; what more could happen to them?

Well on the morning of the 17th of August, nothing could prepare them for the horrific sight that awaited them at the gallows...

Nailed to the pillar of the gallows, the very same pillar that supported the lifeless body of the late MrSmarter, were two sets of human eyes... eerily staring at the crowd... peering into their very souls. Two bodies were found hidden in a bush not 20 meters from the travesty... they belonged to "Clawtrocity" and "Procyon". The bodies were found in a crumpled heap with multiple abrasions and what appeared to be multiple severed arteries. A note found protruding from "Clawtrocity's" mouth read "May the eyes of these two souls look upon your heinous acts forever... these men will not be the last". The records show that the townsfolk coined the psychotic individual responsible for this "The Cornea Killer"

... Also found dead during the night was "divemaster127" and AscendedOne. The manner in which "divemaster127" was killed was almost too familiar to the onlookers of Cosenza now. Multiple bullet wounds in the chest and arm... most likely from trying to defend himself... AscendedOne, on the other hand, was killed very close to morning... while sitting at his table enjoying breakfast his head appears to have been slammed into the table, and a single bullet hole was found in the back of his neck.

The town was about to give up hope... was there anyone left with the intention of good will in Cosenza? However... what happened next renewed their spirits.

Investigations conducted into the homes of the deceased, prior to the beginning of the forum, found nothing of note in all houses bar that of Procyon. Many different quills, parchments, lenses and various other scribes utensils were found in his home. Usually this wouldn't be anything of note; yet hidden away in a small chest under a floorboard was a detailed reports of key townsfolk including notes of evidence planting. The town concluded that this was the home of the legendary Framer of the Romano family.

The forum met again in the center of town to continue the lynches... Even in the darkest of days...





Day II


Cosenza
17th of August 1889; 10:47am
Day I will End at 2am Friday, 5th August 2011 Pacific Daylight Time, or when a player is lynched. It will take 11 votes to lynch.

To vote to lynch a player post "vote NAME"


Cosenza Nobility Population:
Auckmid
Crimson
FalseTruth
Ganondorf
Goonswarm
Illidan
McPwnage
MileS
monster
Narks
NorthStar
oops_ur_dead
Ozymandias
Raiden
Rumpel
S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
Severn
Spy
TheJackofSpades
vornksr
Yayap

Unknown Roles List:
Godfather[De Luca]
Consigliere[De Luca]
Mafioso[Romano]
Hooker[Romano]
Serial Killer
Cult Leader
Jester
Executioner
Mason
Sheriff
Sheriff
Investigator
Doctor
Gunsmith
Armorsmith
Citizen/Mason
Citizen/Mason
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen


Graveyard:
Cristina Szabo (Citizen) – Died Day 0 -15 August, 1889; 4:45PM – Hung Publically in the Town Square.
Philie (Citizen) – Died Night 1 -15 August, 1889; 11:45PM – Shot repeatedly in their home.
Zack (Mafioso[De Luca]) - Died Night 1 - 16 August, 1889; 2:31 AM – Two silent shots to the back of the skull.
Mayor Lucias (Mayor) - Died Night 1 - 16 August, 1889; ? ? ? AM – Found in the Town Square with a Pentagram carved into his chest.
MrSmarter (Investigator) Died Day 1 -16 August, 1889; 4:43PM – Hung Publically in the Town Square;
Procyon (Framer[Romano]) Died Night 2 -17 August, 1889; 7:24PM – Multiple abrasions, severed arteries and eyes removed from sockets.
Clawtrocity (Citizen) Died Night 2 -17 August, 1889; 8:21PM – Multiple abrasions, severed arteries and eyes removed from sockets.
divemaster127 (Citizen) Died Night 2 - 17 August, 1889; 11:43PM – Shot multiple times in the arms and chest
AscendedOne (Citizen) Died Night 2 - 18 August, 1889; 5:21AM – Head slammed into table, then shot once in the neck.



Last wills:

Procyon:

OOPS IS SK



Clawtrocity:

Wash Extended Death Scene (Serenity)] Wash Extended Death Scene (Serenity) (http://[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqEgsjhEP7c#)
I had a dream it would end this way…

Night II: So basically if you're reading this I'm assuming Raiden died to being Executioner? Either that or he's consig. I'd say he's the next best bet.

To avenge me I hope you kill Narks, SAS, and Spy.
Goon is probably bad
Vorn is probably good
False is probably bad
Jack is probably good
Illidan is probably good
Impartial on Crimson and Miles possibly jester?

Anywho can't wait to talk trash about all you to other dead folks!



divemaster127:

So, Are you in?



AscendedOne:

Step one: Make a wild claim about a devestating event in the future. Giving no hints. Just the time. This way, I make myself a target for consort and framing, while essentially guaranteeing myself to be cult-free. If I should happen absorb a mafia or SK killing, it would still be worth it compared to a power role getting slaughtered.

Step two: Nearing the days end of this earth shattering day, claim mason. Do it close enough to the end that no one has time to question it. Doing so will make me a target for mason conversion and possibly cult conversion seeing as how it would be stupid to admit being a mason. Masons will likely attempt to kill me thinking I'm a cultist or convert me knowing I'm lying. If I'm converted by both masons and cultist, I have essentially won town half the battle.

Step three: Profit.

[FalseTruth]

At least another mafia is dead. First off, I would like to apologize for not being active during Day 1. I was busy with real life problems. Now, I think we can all agree that MileS is a guaranteed investigator and that Raiden claimed investigator.

There can only be one Investigator!

Raiden should be question extensively today.

[Illidan]

One thing is sure, this night went better than I expected.

Assuming claw and procyon both get killed by the sk, I think we can safely assume that Crimson is the executioner.

Looking forward to hear more accusations / claims from you guys.

[vornksr]

I'll post more later. In the meantime, I'd like to leave you all with this thought:

I told you so.

[FalseTruth]

Also, the fact that Narks said Procyon was mafia, leads me to believe he is actually a Sheriff. However, I don't see why Narks switched his vote to Claw. Then again, he is still a troll at heart.

To Elixir:
The first last will doesn't have who wrote it. I am assuming it is Procyon's last will?

[Narks]

GE<img src="http://28.media.tumblr.com/IwtFV6ZBKm502safS2BvjeBJo1_400.jpg\" alt=\"also cocks\" /><img src="http://28.media.tumblr.com/IwtFV6ZBKm502safS2BvjeBJo1_400.jpg\" alt=\"also cocks\" /><img src="http://28.media.tumblr.com/IwtFV6ZBKm502safS2BvjeBJo1_400.jpg\" alt=\"also cocks\" />LLO

goonswarm is mafia

[vornksr]

Can we get clarification on AscendedOne's death? Is that a shot from a gunsmith's gun?

[Spy]

GE<img src="http://28.media.tumblr.com/IwtFV6ZBKm502safS2BvjeBJo1_400.jpg\" alt=\"also cocks\" /><img src="http://28.media.tumblr.com/IwtFV6ZBKm502safS2BvjeBJo1_400.jpg\" alt=\"also cocks\" /><img src="http://28.media.tumblr.com/IwtFV6ZBKm502safS2BvjeBJo1_400.jpg\" alt=\"also cocks\" />LLO

goonswarm is mafia
???

[Narks]

i found out that a button \`]asd asd on my keyboard inserrr= a=sfz xlkc`12\inserts text automatically

[FalseTruth]

I am guessing SK killed Claw, a gunsmith's gun killed Procyon, and each separate mafia killed AscendedOne and divemaster respectively.

That's my best guess from the passage. It's hard to tell, Elixir should definitely clarify.

[Narks]

you are retard

Procyon (Framer[Romano]) Died Night 2 -17 August, 1889; 7:24PM – Multiple abrasions, severed arteries and eyes removed from sockets.
Clawtrocity (Citizen) Died Night 2 -17 August, 1889; 8:21PM – Multiple abrasions, severed arteries and eyes removed from sockets.
divemaster127 (Citizen) Died Night 2 - 17 August, 1889; 11:43PM – Shot multiple times in the arms and chest
AscendedOne (Citizen) Died Night 2 - 18 August, 1889; 5:21AM – Head slammed into table, then shot once in the neck.

[Narks]

severed arteries means suicide by jester

[Elixir]

2 of them are the EXACT SAME KIND OF KILL.

Like

EXACTLY.

And the story tells you they died TOGETHER.

I dont know how much more obvious I can make it.


(2 mafia kills, 1 sk double kill).

[Spy]

Can I say something? All the last wills are so shallow with not much back-up.

[vornksr]

So, we should trust MileS basically implicitly by now, as well as Narks. Crimson is clearly executioner. We don't yet know about Raiden (Claw may in fact have been framed).

There's a possible scenario where MileS isn't actually investigator, but another town power role. MileS, if you aren't investigator, now's the time to come forward to save Raiden's life.

How would the Romano mafia know who the serial killer was?

We should probably go with Narks today & get goon. Hopefully that means that neither of our sheriffs have been forced to reveal. Unless Narks has been culted. (I think that he & MileS are the most obvious cult targets for last night.)

[monster]

First two guys were killed by a SK - therefore Crimson was 100% exe.
Other 2 guys were killed by the 2 mafia - no random gun was shot.
That is what I understand from the story sequence.

[FalseTruth]

you are retard

Procyon (Framer[Romano]) Died Night 2 -17 August, 1889; 7:24PM – Multiple abrasions, severed arteries and eyes removed from sockets.
Clawtrocity (Citizen) Died Night 2 -17 August, 1889; 8:21PM – Multiple abrasions, severed arteries and eyes removed from sockets.
divemaster127 (Citizen) Died Night 2 - 17 August, 1889; 11:43PM – Shot multiple times in the arms and chest
AscendedOne (Citizen) Died Night 2 - 18 August, 1889; 5:21AM – Head slammed into table, then shot once in the neck.


severed arteries means suicide by jester

Okay, it obviously does not mean that, but it is good that you pointed this out. Now I am thoroughly confused. Were there 2 sk kills?

[Narks]

yes, sk picked up the quad damage and went like DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA

also, guess what

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/4821/goatspecialedition.png

[vornksr]

Yes. Because Crimson was exe and we lynched his target. Like I said. Yesterday.

[Illidan]

How would the Romano mafia know who the serial killer was?

The first night we had no sk kill, maybe their hooker blocked the sk?

However, I would refrain from believing a dead mafia last will, so I'm more inclined to go with the Narks claim too, albeit his troll attitude.

[Raiden]

Oh god... this was most unexpected. I would have bet a large sum on clawtrocity being the hooker, seriously. Anyway, i will be open to questioning for the next 48 hours if you so wish.

However, you should be aware that there are far better targets than me today.

1) Narks proved himself a sheriff, at this point i believe Goonswarm might be mafia as well.
2) As you may have realized, SK was not afk. He has been roleblocked night 1, and he killed Claw to exact his revenge, although he went for the wrong target. This means Procyon knows all too well who the sk is, and he wished to share that info with us by calling the name of Oops. I see no reasons not to believe him at this point.
3) Either Crimson or Goonswarm are the Executioner.

As for my defense, what can i say? I have been fooled. Claw's behavior was so suspicious that i did not have the single shadow of a doubt. But i am a real investigator, i can guarantee that. At this point, MileS is probably a mason. He cannot be mafia, he would never clear the name of MrSmarter, but the fact that he didn't claim his role when MrSmarter was as high as 10-11 votes makes me think that he didn't in fact know it up to the moment MrSmarter claimed himself.

[FalseTruth]

*If the Executioner succeeds while the Serial Killer is still alive, the Serial Killer will be permitted to double kill the following night, not wanting to be outdone with the blood of the innocent. He can't be role blocked on this night either. If the serial killer happens to have a gun from the gunsmith, he may triple kill.

I see...

Very interesting. Crimson has won the game. I doubt he will ever speak again. Well played Crimson. Now back to the task at hand, Raiden--What is your defense?

[vornksr]

Raiden, I basically agree with you 100%, but we need MileS to get here to claim his role.

[monster]

Ok, before we begin this day. I have 2 questions for Elixir:

1)How does the framer work in this game - does it make the target a mafioso or a random mafia role?

2)If a culted person dies will we see his double role - like armorer/cultist or just an armorer?

[vornksr]

Also, Raiden, thanks for the explanation of the mafia knowing who sk is. The fact that Claw died basically clinches it for me. I'm inclined to believe the framer's last will--it'll help the Romano family for the sk to die, so he actually has some reason to tell the truth.

[vornksr]

Also, I'm guessing AscendedOne died to the Romano family. It's consistent with the Day I death descriptions.

[FalseTruth]

Oh god... this was most unexpected. I would have bet a large sum on clawtrocity being the hooker, seriously. Anyway, i will be open to questioning for the next 48 hours if you so wish.

However, you should be aware that there are far better targets than me today.

1) Narks proved himself a sheriff, at this point i believe Goonswarm might be mafia as well.
2) As you may have realized, SK was not afk. He has been roleblocked night 1, and he killed Claw to exact his revenge, although he went for the wrong target. This means Procyon knows all too well who the sk is, and he wished to share that info with us by calling the name of Oops. I see no reasons not to believe him at this point.
3) Either Crimson or Goonswarm are the Executioner.

As for my defense, what can i say? I have been fooled. Claw's behavior was so suspicious that i did not have the single shadow of a doubt. But i am a real investigator, i can guarantee that. At this point, MileS is probably a mason. He cannot be mafia, he would never clear the name of MrSmarter, but the fact that he didn't claim his role when MrSmarter was as high as 10-11 votes makes me think that he didn't in fact know it up to the moment MrSmarter claimed himself.

If MileS does not claim a role other than citizen, you are our first priority. You accused Claw of mafia--he was not. You claim investigator, yet MileS also claimed investigator and cleared MrSmarter before his death.

After you, I would say get Goon next because Narks is now a confirmed sheriff.

[Raiden]

Ok, before we begin this day. I have 2 questions for Elixir:

1)How does the framer work in this game - does it make the target a mafioso or a random mafia role?



I would like to answer this, because i asked elixir the same questions when i investigated clawtrocity.

The framed target appears as a random mafia role, not just a mafioso. Moreover, all the investigators who check the same target will see the same results, otherwise it would be obvious that there has been framing at work.

If you don't believe me, wait for Elixir's response.

[Elixir]

Ok, before we begin this day. I have 2 questions for Elixir:

1)How does the framer work in this game - does it make the target a mafioso or a random mafia role?



I would like to answer this, because i asked elixir the same questions when i investigated clawtrocity.

The framed target appears as a random mafia role, not just a mafioso. Moreover, all the investigators who check the same target will see the same results, otherwise it would be obvious that there has been framing at work.

If you don't believe me, wait for Elixir's response.


This is correct.

[Raiden]

If MileS does not claim a role other than citizen, you are our first priority. You accused Claw of mafia--he was not. You claim investigator, yet MileS also claimed investigator and cleared MrSmarter before his death.

After you, I would say get Goon next because Narks is now a confirmed sheriff.


So what if i accused Claw of being mafia? I can't be the executioner, and if you think i am the jester, i am not a good lynch for this town. Even if you think i am the consigliere, we have a far better target today in Procyon's last will, which would be the SK.

[monster]

That was helpful. :)

[vornksr]

And from Narks.

Anyway, for what it's worth, Raiden, I trust you pretty well now. But it all depends on MileS...

[Illidan]

I agree with Raiden too.
Miles can't be consigliere, it doesn't really have any sense to clear an almost-accused investigator and NOT claim the role before.
Crimson has won the game yes, I honestly believed him until the last moment that he was sheriff.
I also think that the other real sheriff should refrain from exposing himself too much, if he doesn't have clear clues we're doing it wrong.
The death of Claw basically confirms that Raiden said, so i believe him and I'm not going to vote him.
I want to hear miles too, let's see.

[Narks]

oops is not sk, else i would be dead that fag hates me for last game

[FalseTruth]

Well, I don't really care in which order but today should include questioning of raiden, goon, and oops.

I am nearly 100% sure that raiden is consigliere. MileS is the only person who can save him.

Oops is possibly an SK, or the romano framer may have been trying to lead us astray. Either way Oops will need to roleclaim today to defend himself.

Goon has been accused by the troll sheriff, Narks, but I think we should believe him for now. Goon also needs to defend himself.

[vornksr]

Goon was playing pretty aggressively for someone trying to hide mafia; maybe the mafia framed him & he's actually jester.

[Raiden]

Well, I don't really care in which order but today should include questioning of raiden, goon, and oops.

I am nearly 100% sure that raiden is consigliere. MileS is the only person who can save him.

Oops is possibly an SK, or the romano framer may have been trying to lead us astray. Either way Oops will need to roleclaim today to defend himself.

Goon has been accused by the troll sheriff, Narks, but I think we should believe him for now. Goon also needs to defend himself.


These kinds of accusations seem to come from a guy who knows he can have the SK under control. You'd best start to thread carefully on what you are saying.

Anyway, since the framer is dead, you can have me 100% confirmed as innocent or mafia by tomorrow.

[Narks]

doesn't matter

i'm going to shoot him

in the face

with my gun

my gun of ultimate destiny

my gun has sideburns

i bet your gun doesn't have sideburns

alpha is a faggot

also framer can't frame if she is dead bro

[FalseTruth]

Goon was playing pretty aggressively for someone trying to hide mafia; maybe the mafia framed him & he's actually jester.

Knowing Goon, he probably had some tricks up his sleeve. I can easily see him being mafia and trying to help exec win. Then, using sheriff as an out because sheriff would get an inno on an exec.

[vornksr]

Yeah, framer can. Framing is action #4 at night, deaths start at #5. So Procyon got off one last frame.

Please do shoot Goon tonight. It's the safest thing for town. I think you're last on the priority list, though, so if you get shot first no beans.

[Narks]

oh in that case you should probably lynch him

lynch goonswarm

[vornksr]

By the way, is it really gonna take 12 votes to lynch? By my count there are 21 people left, so 11 is the majority.

[FalseTruth]

Well, I don't really care in which order but today should include questioning of raiden, goon, and oops.

I am nearly 100% sure that raiden is consigliere. MileS is the only person who can save him.

Oops is possibly an SK, or the romano framer may have been trying to lead us astray. Either way Oops will need to roleclaim today to defend himself.

Goon has been accused by the troll sheriff, Narks, but I think we should believe him for now. Goon also needs to defend himself.


These kinds of accusations seem to come from a guy who knows he can have the SK under control. You'd best start to thread carefully on what you are saying.

Anyway, since the framer is dead, you can have me 100% confirmed as innocent or mafia by tomorrow.

You keep trying to dodge the obvious fact that MileS claimed invest, then claimed MrSmarter's role accurately. This makes you a consigliere because you also claimed investigator.

For one, you are not even trying to accuse MileS of mafia, in spite of the fact that you both CANNOT be investigator. This is extremely suspicious to me.

Once, MileS talks and reaffirms his role, you will either be 100% town or 100% mafia. We should not have to wait another night like you say.

[Elixir]

By the way, is it really gonna take 12 votes to lynch? By my count there are 21 people left, so 11 is the majority.


Updating to reflect this.

[Illidan]

You keep trying to dodge the obvious fact that MileS claimed invest, then claimed MrSmarter's role accurately. This makes you a consigliere because you also claimed investigator.

Actually, MileS claimed invest but not smarter role. He just "confirmed" his role AFTER smarter claimed.

[Narks]

neither of those losers are

INVESTIGOR

[Raiden]

Well, I don't really care in which order but today should include questioning of raiden, goon, and oops.

I am nearly 100% sure that raiden is consigliere. MileS is the only person who can save him.

Oops is possibly an SK, or the romano framer may have been trying to lead us astray. Either way Oops will need to roleclaim today to defend himself.

Goon has been accused by the troll sheriff, Narks, but I think we should believe him for now. Goon also needs to defend himself.


These kinds of accusations seem to come from a guy who knows he can have the SK under control. You'd best start to thread carefully on what you are saying.

Anyway, since the framer is dead, you can have me 100% confirmed as innocent or mafia by tomorrow.

You keep trying to dodge the obvious fact that MileS claimed invest, then claimed MrSmarter's role accurately. This makes you a consigliere because you also claimed investigator.

For one, you are not even trying to accuse MileS of mafia, in spite of the fact that you both CANNOT be investigator. This is extremely suspicious to me.

Once, MileS talks and reaffirms his role, you will either be 100% town or 100% mafia. We should not have to wait another night like you say.


Wrong. MileS NEVER claimed MrSmarter role. MrSmarter claimed his own role, and MileS confirmed this due to being plausible. I do not believe that he is mafia because it would have been stupid to clear MrSmarter. As i said, he is probably a mason.

Anyway, as i said, even if you think i am mafia i'm not your best lynch for today.

[Goonswarm]

I have a lead and a hit. I checked oops_ur_dead and was informed that.

"Your investigations of oops_ur_dead lead you to conclude he is the Serial Killer!"

Vote oops_ur_dead

I am the sheriff, I will need your assistance. Thank you.

[FalseTruth]

You keep trying to dodge the obvious fact that MileS claimed invest, then claimed MrSmarter's role accurately. This makes you a consigliere because you also claimed investigator.

Actually, MileS claimed invest but not smarter role. He just "confirmed" his role AFTER smarter claimed.

He confirmed that MrSmarter was town because he investigated him, and did not want to say his role due to obvious reasons. I agree, we cannot jump to conclusions and lynch you immediately, but we must not forget you are still town's first priority.

[Goonswarm]

Sorry for the double post let me recap my information

Crimson: Innocent

oops_ur_dead: Serial Killer

What made up my mind to check oops is I thought to myself who would mafia frame after yesterday, and who would be suspicious but not likely to be framed. For whatever reason mafia did know that oops is SK. I 100% confirm it and ask that town follow my vote and allow me to confirm myself as sheriff.

[Raiden]

I have a lead and a hit. I checked oops_ur_dead and was informed that.

"Your investigations of oops_ur_dead lead you to conclude he is the Serial Killer!"

Vote oops_ur_dead

I am the sheriff, I will need your assistance. Thank you.


Ok, we know this is impossible due to rules setup. Goon is trying to clear himself due to being the jester or mafia, as accused.

[Illidan]

*Sheriffs only find Mafia, and not which type they are. The Serial Killer and Cultists will appear Innocent.

[Goonswarm]

I have a lead and a hit. I checked oops_ur_dead and was informed that.

"Your investigations of oops_ur_dead lead you to conclude he is the Serial Killer!"

Vote oops_ur_dead

I am the sheriff, I will need your assistance. Thank you.


Ok, we know this is impossible due to rules setup. Goon is trying to clear himself due to being the jester or mafia, as accused.


Look man I am going off the information that I got back from the host, I can detect SK and have done so. ASK ELIXIR IF IT IS POSSIBLE FOR SHERIFF TO DETECT SK OK?

[FalseTruth]

Sorry for the double post let me recap my information

Crimson: Innocent

oops_ur_dead: Serial Killer

What made up my mind to check oops is I thought to myself who would mafia frame after yesterday, and who would be suspicious but not likely to be framed. For whatever reason mafia did know that oops is SK. I 100% confirm it and ask that town follow my vote and allow me to confirm myself as sheriff.

Wow breathrough information right here.
Narks is right. Goon is probably a romano mafia trying to save himself by lynching the SK.
The question is, which lynch will provide us with the most information?

[Goonswarm]

*Sheriffs only find Mafia, and not which type they are. The Serial Killer and Cultists will appear Innocent.


In that case can someone be framed to look like a SK? If so then that explains it, but I checked oops and got the information back that he is a SK, nothing more, nothing less.

[Raiden]

He confirmed that MrSmarter was town because he investigated him, and did not want to say his role due to obvious reasons. I agree, we cannot jump to conclusions and lynch you immediately, but we must not forget you are still town's first priority.


Besides the fact that you quoted illidan's post lol, although i wrote almost the exact same things a little below.

I am NOT the town most useful lynch, whether i am invest or consigliere or jester. I already said last day that even if you find me to be the consigliere, you should really hunt for the orange mafia first. We won't find the GF anytime soon, and now that the framer is dead it will be even easier to find all the Romanos before we start hunting for the DeLuca.

You are getting more and more suspicious.

[vornksr]

Goon continues to appear jester... but now he's trying to hard. I'm ok with lynching him, as long as we pick someone innocuous to be the hammer vote.

[Goonswarm]

Ok I just got some technical information from Elixir so I am sorry if this is out of context but it is up to him to fix this issue. I am not going to go into details as it may ruin the game but I will leave it up to him to edit/decide what to do from this point on.

[FalseTruth]

He confirmed that MrSmarter was town because he investigated him, and did not want to say his role due to obvious reasons. I agree, we cannot jump to conclusions and lynch you immediately, but we must not forget you are still town's first priority.


Besides the fact that you quoted illidan's post lol, although i wrote almost the exact same things a little below.

I am NOT the town most useful lynch, whether i am invest or consigliere or jester. I already said last day that even if you find me to be the consigliere, you should really hunt for the orange mafia first. We won't find the GF anytime soon, and now that the framer is dead it will be even easier to find all the Romanos before we start hunting for the DeLuca.

You are getting more and more suspicious.


With the new information Goon has presented, I agree you are not the #1 priority. What I was trying to say is that, as of then, you were the person we can be most certain is evil.

Now I believe Goon and Oops to be the greater threat.

[FalseTruth]

Goon continues to appear jester... but now he's trying to hard. I'm ok with lynching him, as long as we pick someone innocuous to be the hammer vote.

But why would Narks say he got a guilty on Goon?

[vornksr]

Either Narks got culted, or Goon got framed. Both are decisions I'd be likely to make if I were CL/framer.

[Narks]

goon is retard, pretending to be jester

LYNCH THAT FAG

[Raiden]

Did elixir mess things up allowing the sheriff to find the SK? Anyway, i don't really care if goon is really a sheriff or jester or mafia trying to clear himself.

We have multiple SK claims on a silver plate, and that would be by far the town's most useful lynch.

vote Oops_ur_dead

pressure is up until we hear from him.

[FalseTruth]

Either Narks got culted, or Goon got framed. Both are decisions I'd be likely to make if I were CL/framer.

Or both lol. Thank you for pointing out those possibilities.

[Goonswarm]

Goon continues to appear jester... but now he's trying to hard. I'm ok with lynching him, as long as we pick someone innocuous to be the hammer vote.

But why would Narks say he got a guilty on Goon?


We just had a framer die, on top of that it serves mafia to lynch me. Town loses a sheriff, the accusers against me are put into the spotlight and town continues to crumble. I can not stress how important it is to prove me right and lynch oops_ur_dead. Check me again I am the Sheriff, I am not a jester and not mafia. I have given you the SK with the information I got back. I am POSITIVE I got framed, check me now that the framer is dead. You will get innocent.

I know it is outside the rules for me to find the SK but I did, I am waiting on a response on how Elixir plans to handle this.

[Narks]

goon you need to spam obnoxious images and large font

that is best way to not get lynched

[Severn]

We need to think about how to lower the number of kills.

I don't believe Narks actually has a gun, he is probably just trolling. Anyone with a gun wouldn't say so or they would get hookered.

But if someone has a gun... shooting oops or goon might not be bad. Goon is clearly trying to send jester tells like no tomorrow. It is still risky to lynch Goon though... since he be tricksy. He could be jester sending jester tells to look like a mafia... and he is an obvious framing target sadly.

About Raiden... if he is consig he isn't the biggest threat tbh. He might even find the cult leader for us. The thing is... the cult leader will be going for people like Narks and not Raiden who is in big danger of a lynch. I'm probably overly focusing on cult.

And now I see Goon is claiming a mistake in the pms... who knows. Anyway let us make this a slow day again and get more info.

Three people are cult.

[Narks]

We need to think about how to lower the number of kills.

I don't believe Narks actually has a gun, he is probably just trolling. Anyone with a gun wouldn't say so or they would get hookered.

But if someone has a gun... shooting oops or goon might not be bad. Goon is clearly trying to send jester tells like no tomorrow. It is still risky to lynch Goon though... since he be tricksy. He could be jester sending jester tells to look like a mafia... and he is an obvious framing target sadly.

About Raiden... if he is consig he isn't the biggest threat tbh. He might even find the cult leader for us. The thing is... the cult leader will be going for people like Narks and not Raiden who is in big danger of a lynch. I'm probably overly focusing on cult.

And now I see Goon is claiming a mistake in the pms... who knows. Anyway let us make this a slow day again and get more info.

Three people are cult.


this guy is cult leader

[Severn]

Cool bro story.

Also thank you sk for listening to me and killing Proc.

[Elixir]

I dunno what to do and someones getting killed because of this anyway,
It was a mistake in the pms.

[Narks]

elixir trolling too

this game is awesome

[vornksr]

Narks, that's the vibe I just got, too.

[FalseTruth]

Goon continues to appear jester... but now he's trying to hard. I'm ok with lynching him, as long as we pick someone innocuous to be the hammer vote.

But why would Narks say he got a guilty on Goon?


We just had a framer die, on top of that it serves mafia to lynch me. Town loses a sheriff, the accusers against me are put into the spotlight and town continues to crumble. I can not stress how important it is to prove me right and lynch oops_ur_dead. Check me again I am the Sheriff, I am not a jester and not mafia. I have given you the SK with the information I got back. I am POSITIVE I got framed, check me now that the framer is dead. You will get innocent.

I know it is outside the rules for me to find the SK but I did, I am waiting on a response on how Elixir plans to handle this.

Goon is right, in terms of action ordering, the frame could not have gotten through. No one is framed atm.

[vornksr]

About severn, I mean, not Elixir.

[vornksr]

Um, framing is #4, killing starts at #5. The framing could have gotten through.

[Spy]

Anybody even thought of culted peoples?

Any of the roles could be culted. Sheriff could work for the cult. SK could work for the cult etc etc...

At this point, I am assuming there are 3 cult members already...

[Severn]

Vorn, I'm citizen. This shit should be easy to figure out with the masons if they want to.

[Goonswarm]

I dunno what to do and someones getting killed because of this anyway,
It was a mistake in the pms.


AKA: I am not jester, READ THIS, USE LOGIC. We need to limit the killing roles to do that we lynch oops_ur_dead TODAY.

It turns out I am not just a sheriff, I am a super sheriff. LET ME PROVE MYSELF FOR FUCKS SAKE. Town is doing pretty good atm.

[Narks]

sk can block framer when he has

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[Spy]

I dunno what to do and someones getting killed because of this anyway,
It was a mistake in the pms.


AKA: I am not jester, READ THIS, USE LOGIC. We need to limit the killing roles to do that we lynch oops_ur_dead TODAY.

It turns out I am not just a sheriff, I am a super sheriff. LET ME PROVE MYSELF FOR FUCKS SAKE. Town is doing pretty good atm.
And if you turn out to be right, what if you were culted already! Then we would be listening to the cult. Eh, no. All citizens please stick together, we should ignore what everyone says.

Citizens are the most powerful now. We have the power of majority.

[FalseTruth]

Um, framing is #4, killing starts at #5. The framing could have gotten through.

You are right, my mistake. I misread.

[Narks]

I dunno what to do and someones getting killed because of this anyway,
It was a mistake in the pms.


AKA: I am not jester, READ THIS, USE LOGIC. We need to limit the killing roles to do that we lynch oops_ur_dead TODAY.

It turns out I am not just a sheriff, I am a super sheriff. LET ME PROVE MYSELF FOR FUCKS SAKE. Town is doing pretty good atm.
And if you turn out to be right, what if you were culted already! Then we would be listening to the cult. Eh, no. All citizens please stick together, we should ignore what everyone says.

Citizens are the most powerful now. We have the power of majority.


but you are witch

[vornksr]

Severn, if you are cult leader, masons shouldn't help us figure this out... cause if they visit you, they die. Not great.

Anyway, I think we should indeed go ahead & trust Goon at this point. The framer's info was probably good enough to go on anyways.

Still need to hear back from MileS, though.

[Spy]

I dunno what to do and someones getting killed because of this anyway,
It was a mistake in the pms.


AKA: I am not jester, READ THIS, USE LOGIC. We need to limit the killing roles to do that we lynch oops_ur_dead TODAY.

It turns out I am not just a sheriff, I am a super sheriff. LET ME PROVE MYSELF FOR FUCKS SAKE. Town is doing pretty good atm.
And if you turn out to be right, what if you were culted already! Then we would be listening to the cult. Eh, no. All citizens please stick together, we should ignore what everyone says.

Citizens are the most powerful now. We have the power of majority.


but you are witch
I give up on this town. Away from town now. I am going home and packing my bags.

[FalseTruth]

We need to think about how to lower the number of kills.

I don't believe Narks actually has a gun, he is probably just trolling. Anyone with a gun wouldn't say so or they would get hookered.

But if someone has a gun... shooting oops or goon might not be bad. Goon is clearly trying to send jester tells like no tomorrow. It is still risky to lynch Goon though... since he be tricksy. He could be jester sending jester tells to look like a mafia... and he is an obvious framing target sadly.

About Raiden... if he is consig he isn't the biggest threat tbh. He might even find the cult leader for us. The thing is... the cult leader will be going for people like Narks and not Raiden who is in big danger of a lynch. I'm probably overly focusing on cult.

And now I see Goon is claiming a mistake in the pms... who knows. Anyway let us make this a slow day again and get more info.

Three people are cult.

So far this person is speaking the most sense. Thank you for being the voice of reason.

[Goonswarm]

I dunno what to do and someones getting killed because of this anyway,
It was a mistake in the pms.


AKA: I am not jester, READ THIS, USE LOGIC. We need to limit the killing roles to do that we lynch oops_ur_dead TODAY.

It turns out I am not just a sheriff, I am a super sheriff. LET ME PROVE MYSELF FOR FUCKS SAKE. Town is doing pretty good atm.
And if you turn out to be right, what if you were culted already! Then we would be listening to the cult. Eh, no. All citizens please stick together, we should ignore what everyone says.

Citizens are the most powerful now. We have the power of majority.


You trying to discredit a sheriff is not something a citizen would do, please look at it like this. If we do not lynch oops today he gets culted, then cult has a killing role, on top of that I have had nothing adverse happen to me at all so I am not culted. I am going to sleep regardless. Stew over the information that has been given to you.

oops_ur_dead Is the Serial Killer

I am the Town Sheriff and was able to confirm this via a fluke, regardless it happened, lets make use of it.

[Procyon]

hello

[Narks]

sup

[Procyon]

I AM THE ROMANO GHOSTMAN

[vornksr]

Well, to be honest, we don't quite know what the fluke in pms was. Goon may have asked a question planning to use it for his lies as jester, so it's not 100% that he's sheriff.

[Goonswarm]

I AM THE ROMANO GHOSTMAN


How the fuck can you vote for me if you are dead... You are fucking dead and posting....


Not sure what is happening :\

[Dark.Revenant]

I AM GOD, I ARRIVE TO BRING YOU GOOD FORTUNE!

[vornksr]

?!?!?!

help

[FalseTruth]

Last game cult was the biggest threat and the ultimate winner. I think for now, we should all band together and question any possible culted roles.

[Raiden]

Ok, what the fuck is happening?

[Procyon]

i think elixir is the godfather

[Severn]

Vorn: That is the thing. They leave in their will each night who they visit in case they die. If they die and the town knows who the cult leader is (depending on the death description and what surviving masons say)

I am one of the least likely people to be culted because the cult leader wants to avoid POTENTIAL masons that could then identify him. Since I am citizen and have claimed since day one I am unlikely to be culted or cult leader. The risk is to high from his view that I could be a mason still pretending citizen. Unless he thinks I'm a town power role in hiding or some stupid mind game like that. Why I am further unlikely to be leader is that the cult leader will try to pass himself off as a town power role like last game. Where his followers can cover for him.

I think I will trust that Oops is sk unless he gives a good defense btw. Not sure that I trust goon, but I do think Oops being sk is highly likely.

[Severn]

In any case I was wanting Oops to die before the mistake and goons claim. With the mafia down at least one man they can't afford stray kills taking them out. They want the sk dead badly and themselves not lynched so I believe the will.

[vornksr]

Well, I was inclined to trust the framer's last will, so I guess I'm happy to go with that.

[monster]

I want to say a lot of things but there is only so much time. So here goes something, more later.

What is Raiden’s role?

Investigator/Consigliere

Pro:

-he claims he is an investigator, has yet to tell us his second investigation - maybe he detected a town power role and is protecting it

Con:

-another person has counter-claimed
-his investigation turned up inaccurate
-claims he was misled by a framer, but the chances of that randomly happening are extremely low

Jester

Pro:

-intentionally wanting to kill a random person to draw suspicion on himself
-erratic behavior whole game – He didn’t want to claim a role day1, then he did. He had detected a mafia target, but did not stick with his vote for him. He argued extensively how lynching MrSmarter is the worst possible choice for the town, then he voted for him. Talk about saying one thing and doing another.

Con:

Despite all that, he seems genuinely interested in staying alive.

Conclusion: I would say jester, but the truth is - I have no idea what he is. Even if I believe MileS 100%, Raiden's lynch is not the optimal choice for today. If he is consig - we have no idea who the GF is, if he is jester - then just lol.

I think we will be able to form a more solid case against other people + the chance to lower the KPN is always welcome.

[Goonswarm]

Don't forget to

vote oops_ur_dead

(i only mean to vote once)

[Goonswarm]

I want to say a lot of things but there is only so much time. So here goes something, more later.

What is Raiden’s role?

Investigator/Consigliere

Pro:

-he claims he is an investigator, has yet to tell us his second investigation - maybe he detected a town power role and is protecting it

Con:

-another person has counter-claimed
-his investigation turned up inaccurate
-claims he was misled by a framer, but the chances of that randomly happening are extremely low

Jester

Pro:

-intentionally wanting to kill a random person to draw suspicion on himself
-erratic behavior whole game – He didn’t want to claim a role day1, then he did. He had detected a mafia target, but did not stick with his vote for him. He argued extensively how lynching MrSmarter is the worst possible choice for the town, then he voted for him. Talk about saying one thing and doing another.

Con:

Despite all that, he seems genuinely interested in staying alive.

Conclusion: I would say jester, but the truth is - I have no idea what he is. Even if I believe MileS 100%, Raiden's lynch is not the optimal choice for today. If he is consig - we have no idea who the GF is, if he is jester - then just lol.

I think we will be able to form a more solid case against other people + the chance to lower the KPN is always welcome.


The framer is dead, my mafia checks are 100%. Trust me, Keep me alive, I will have your answer tommorow. I will be checking Raiden, if the hooker wastes a block on me fine, although it does not serve them to protect an opposite mafia faction they must eliminate to win. This is a question that needs to be answered, I will do such.

[Narks]

goonswarm is still trolling

lynch him

[Narks]

ANYONE WHO DOES NOT VOTE TO LYNCH GOONSWARM IS AN ENEMY OF THE STATE

NEXT PERSON TO VOTE FOR OOPS WILL BE SHOT

BY ME

WITH A GUN

WITH SIDEBURNS

OH YEAAAAAAAAAH

[Severn]

Narks is still Cult Leader pretending sheriff after he culted a mafia night 1 and has him out his buddies. Oh wait that actually makes sense.

I didn't want to vote this early but to support the case against oops: Vote Oops_ur_dead

[Goonswarm]

goonswarm is still trolling

lynch him


If anyone is trolling it is you, we have a SK that has been accused by MULTIPLE people. You sir are the troll. I know you are simply scared that I will be confirmed as sheriff and by putting yourself out in an attempt to prevent this, you will be undone. The real jesters and mafia/cult are doing their work. They refuse to allow a town role to be proven and have town rally behind it.

I hope you make the right choice town.

[Severn]

I am with you all the way my bold and fearless internet spaceship leader, until Narks cults you for the lols.

[Narks]

okay, you got me

i'm cult leader

you should probably lynch me

[Severn]

Tru dat

[Severn]

Can I join your club first though?

[Narks]

no

i'll give you a list of cultists:

- narks
- not spy
- not spy

[Raiden]

In response to monster's analysys:

i explained what, when, how and why i did what i did yesterday thoroughly and exhaustively. I will not repeat myself unless asked for.

I do indeed have a new name tho, i'm being lucky with the investigations so far. I prefer not to reveal him to the public.

Goonswarm basically said what i think will happen next night, so you need not to fear.

[Goonswarm]

okay, you got me

i'm cult leader

you should probably lynch me


The right choice and best option to have town win is to limit the killing roles. Unless gunsmith is giving guns to bad people, the right vote is to lynch the SK. We limit killing roles down from 3 to 2 (not including culting). From there we buy time to investigate further. I am on board with the idea you have Severn about Narks being Cult Leader. Regardless of his threats, oops needs to be lynched this day.

[vornksr]

I agree about lynching oops, but I'm not going to vote until MileS shows up because I really want to know about Raiden.

Let's not end this day too soon.

[Goonswarm]

I agree about lynching oops, but I'm not going to vote until MileS shows up because I really want to know about Raiden.

Let's not end this day too soon.

1000% agree with this and it would allow me to save a check depending on what is stated and if I believe it is true.

[FalseTruth]

okay, you got me

i'm cult leader

you should probably lynch me


The right choice and best option to have town win is to limit the killing roles. Unless gunsmith is giving guns to bad people, the right vote is to lynch the SK. We limit killing roles down from 3 to 2 (not including culting). From there we buy time to investigate further. I am on board with the idea you have Severn about Narks being Cult Leader. Regardless of his threats, oops needs to be lynched this day.

I agree with you for the most part, but I feel he should have the right to a fair trial. At least let him defend himself.

I am going to sleep now. Be back soon.

[monster]

Yeah I was going to say again - don't vote hastily please. The problem with lynching a suspected SK is that everyone wants him dead - getting gangbanged by town, mafia and cult can happen pretty fast.

[Narks]

yep

vote goonswarm

[Elixir]

oops_ur_dead(2) : Goonswarm, Raiden
Goonswarm (1): Narks

[Spy]

vote Goonswarm

[monster]

It appears today we will have to make a decision between 2 people - one being accused of serial killing, the other being accused of being a tricksy mafia.

GOONSWARM vs. OOPS_YOUR_DEAD

The case against GOONSWARM:

In the first place - the most obvious piece of information - he is being accused by a CONFIRMED sheriff. Yes, in my mind the fact that Procyon flipped mafia is 100% proof that Narks is sheriff.

Next - when Procyon was accused Day1, GOON was incredibly fast to side with team Crimson and what's more he revealed his role as sheriff. I was very suspicious of this even then, because I didn't see the purpose of his reveal. What did ''Crimson not suspicious'' tell us? - absolutely nothing - the debate was always whether Crimson is Exe or Sheriff - both not suspicious by default.

Another more subtle clue - he doesn't report being blocked tonight. This is actually very suspicious considering it was proven Crimson is not sheriff. I would assume a logically playing mafia will prefer to block a likely sheriff candidate. Maybe the orange mafia simply does not block their own?

//If you think about it - the more curious thing is why wasn't Narks blocked? - Obviously the orange mafia knew he is sheriff since he detected one of their own.

Procyon left OOPS's name in his last will, suggesting the orange mafia had knowledge of the SK identity Day1, cos they blocked him. If that is true then GOON claiming sheriff might have been a very sneaky play indeed, because if he is cornered, he can always provide the name of the SK, thus confirming himself as sheriff - as he is actually doing right now.

There isn't anything in his posts during Day1 to incriminate him further - at one point he even says he is going to go with Narks, if MrSmarter is town. But that might just be him covering his ass for later.

One thing I will say in his defense is that at this point we don't have a 3rd sheriff claim, but that might be due to various other reasons.

The case against OOPS_YOUR_DEAD:

First clue - accused of being the SK by a member of the orange mafia. As we know there wasn't a SK kill first night and nobody reported being healed. Therefore if anyone knew the identity of the SK it would be the orange mafia. Can the word of a dead mafia member be trusted?

He is accused of being a SK by a NOT-CONFIRMED sheriff, who is also suspected of being a member of the same orange mafia. This is actually a solid lead because it doesn't really matter if GOON is sheriff or mafia - both are likely to know who the SK is in this situation.

He declared himself strongly against random lynch and it drew the suspicion of Auckmind during Day1, he specifically says he is not the SK because the SK would welcome a random lynch. More obvious ass-covering or genuine dislike of randomlynch?


Both solid cases, both can't be 100% confirmed. Personally I'm tempted to vote the SK to lower the kills per night, but for now I'm in discussion mode and not voting. There is actually a lot more to be said today.

[Spy]

This is how I vote. I vote for the one who I think is the most beneficial for us the long term, for this town.

Seriously, please think before you talk.

[monster]

EPIC SPELLING FAIL - sorry, oops_ur_dead
I'm aware of the difference

[Spy]

*in (the long term...)

[oops_ur_dead]

Okay, hold on, lemme see if I'm getting this right.
Goonswarm is claiming to be sheriff. Sheriff cannot detect SK, only mafia and not-mafia.
He claims that he received a result that I am SK.
And you guys are fucking BELIEVING HIM?



He declared himself strongly against random lynch and it drew the suspicion of Auckmind during Day1, he specifically says he is not the SK because the SK would welcome a random lynch. More obvious ass-covering or genuine dislike of randomlynch?

So did at least two other people. Remember that I ended up voting for MrSmarter at the end?

[Spy]

Nobody is believing him. Just trolls and jesters trash talking.

[Ganondorf]

Things to consider...
1) Elixir seemed to give a pretty clear indication that he screwed up: I'm willing to believe Goonswarm for that reason...
2) The death descriptions yesterday regarding mafia kills BOTH involved multiple bullets: the fact that one death involved a single bullet leads me to suspect that it was a guy with a gun from the gunsmith who got the other kill.

Can we please hold off on lynching until tomorrow so everyone can talk? Thanks!

[Spy]

Why tomorrow? It's freaking afternoon now.

[monster]

Goonswarm is claiming to be sheriff. Sheriff cannot detect SK, only mafia and not-mafia.


Wait what? From the rules:


*Sheriffs only find Mafia, and not which type they are. Cultists will appear Innocent

The way I understand this is that sheriff doesn't make a difference between red and orange mafia. Nothing is said about SK so I assume he detects SK by default.

Can we have an official comment by Elixir on this, please?

[Spy]

PM Elixir yourself. I don't want anybody talking here except players who are actually alive.

[TheJackofSpades]

I think the thing we need to consider the most is which is more beneficial: Removing a potential mafia posing as a sheriff before he becomes basically unlynchable after we lynch the SK, or reduce kills per night?

Both has it's pros and cons, as monster has explained rather well.

If he is a Romano mafia, his leverage is gone. That was his only trick. We can still lynch the SK tomorrow, but we will have to go through another night of 3 round killing to get there. However, if Goonswarm is mafia, that leaves the balance at 2-1, with an easy SK kill which means outside of the cult, we've got 3 more bad guys to find.

If he is not, we lynched a sheriff. We still have a confirmed SK lynch next day, but the mafia families are still balanced 2-2 so we still have work to do. We also only have one more sheriff who can find said mafia(but he may already be culted at this point tbh).

If we lynch oops and he is SK, Goon becomes more or less immortal until the cult grabs the doctor or armorsmith. He will be both unlynchable and protected. Whether this is good or not depends on what is going on behind the scenes(the block on the SK is very likely at this point). We reduce kills to two, which will extend the game quite a bit(by 1/3, derp).

If we lynch oops and he is not SK, we are put in a bad spot. He will likely be an innocent role all together, and we have not reduced kills by 1. Goon will apologize profusely and offer another person to lynch and we'll be in the same situation as we are in today. No bad people will die.

Take this information as you will, assuming my judgment isn't incorrect, lynching Goonswarm seems to offer the most chance of killing the most amount of evil roles. Whether this ends up being the case is really up in the air at this point.

[vornksr]

Lynching oops is 100% the better option. I'm convinced of this. I just don't want to do it yet to give more time to discuss.

Recall that I was vehemently opposed to Goon before; I now think that going along with him makes sense.

[Rumpel1408]

Ok good morning town

Im not that sure who to vote yet, but we got time to discuss...
First for me it sounds plausible that someone messed something up with pms and that sherif got sk result...
and even though i know that narks said something right on day 1, he stilll could have been lucky on trolling.

Oh and somehow I realy don't trust a Mafia's last will. Why would they give any info to town. they could kill the sk by themself... could be a trick to make us lynch a townie. Or they just want us to do the dirty work and wast a lynch while we could have killed them instead... very tricky...

[vornksr]

I'm almost positive that I know who one of the other Romano mafia is... I really don't think Goon is one of them.

[Ganondorf]

Here's a radical idea: leave the sk alone. Ultimately, the sk CANNOT win without the town's help: evil roles are beginning to take control, why not let the sk do some work?

[oops_ur_dead]

Goonswarm is claiming to be sheriff. Sheriff cannot detect SK, only mafia and not-mafia.


Wait what? From the rules:


*Sheriffs only find Mafia, and not which type they are. Cultists will appear Innocent

The way I understand this is that sheriff doesn't make a difference between red and orange mafia. Nothing is said about SK so I assume he detects SK by default.

Can we have an official comment by Elixir on this, please?



*Sheriffs only find Mafia, and not which type they are. Cultists will appear Innocent

[Spy]

Hahahahahhahaha, you guys are all as bad as the EU public Mafia in SC II.

[vornksr]

Why would the sk help us? There's still a little bit more town than there is mafia, so the chances are against us if the sk random hits. Bringing it down to two hits a night is a very good idea.

Also, I remain suspicious that Narks got culted.

[Spy]

SHAME ON YOU!

[vornksr]

Did it ever occur to you that being annoying is the opposite of playing the game right?

[Spy]

Did it ever occur to you that you are doing the things right, but I am the only one who is doing the right thing?

[Spy]

FML.

What I meant to say was... you guys are all doing the things right, but not doing the right things so all shut the fuck up and let me talk and just follow EVERY FUCKING THING I SAY.

[monster]

*Sheriffs only find Mafia, and not which type they are. Cultists will appear Innocent


Look at the whole sentence, please - it can be interpreted as "Sheriff will ONLY get a message they found a mafia - not if it's orange or red."

If it was just "Sheriffs only find mafia." I would not ask. But see how the cult is mentioned after that and the SK is not. It is a legit question with a huge impact on the current situation.

[Ganondorf]

I'm just saying... the sk can only win if good and evil are in balance for the majority of the game. There is only balance if the town greatly outnumbers other evil roles. As of now, I'd say we're losing that balance (if you consider the cult), and I think the sk might help us out... again, it is only an idea, not a suggestion

[vornksr]

Monster, I think that point is meant to be deliberately unclear.

Sorry, Plato, I was a little snappy there. I need to get some sleep. Be back in a few hours.

[oops_ur_dead]

*Sheriffs only find Mafia, and not which type they are. Cultists will appear Innocent


Look at the whole sentence, please - it can be interpreted as "Sheriff will ONLY get a message they found a mafia - not if it's orange or red."

If it was just "Sheriffs only find mafia." I would not ask. But see how the cult is mentioned after that and the SK is not. It is a legit question with a huge impact on the current situation.

It can also be interpreted as "Sheriff will ONLY get a message if they found a mafia, but will not be told what type they are.

[oops_ur_dead]

Also, yesterday Goonswarm said that he was Sheriff and that Crimson was innocent. We know today that Crimson is the executioner.
I have no idea what's going on with Goonswarm. He is either not Sheriff and fucked up with accusing me, or he IS Sheriff and I was framed. I'm suspecting the former, to be honest.

[oops_ur_dead]

Also, yesterday Goonswarm said that he was Sheriff and that Crimson was innocent. We know today that Crimson is the executioner.

Ehm, my point with this was that it can be deduced that Sheriff ONLY sees Mafia members.

[Illidan]

Leaving the SK alive is really nonsense.

He have an auto-vest so i really doubt mafia will waste 2 shots for killing him.

I'm very inclined to vote oops, however I'll wait for MileS to show up.

[NorthStar]

yes, sk picked up the quad damage and went like DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA

also, guess what

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/4821/goatspecialedition.png


You're making no sense, you recieved a gun? O.o

[oops_ur_dead]

I think he's trying to say that the Gunsmith is jealous of Narks' hat, so he shot an enormous cannon out of his ass at Narks

[NorthStar]

Anyways, I've just read most of the post so far, and I agree with FalseTruth, we need to interrogate Raiden because.

Raiden = Jester/Consigliere
Goonswarm = Jester/Sheriff/Romano Mafia


I believe however that Goonswarm ISN'T a Sheriff now, hes been playing us. Why was he so quick to help the executioner lynch? Why was he so quick to repeat the words of Proc's last will to avoid people of suspecting him? Hes a pretty good Jester, or just one loud mouthed Mafioso.

[MileS]

Sorry guys I was too tired to stay up for the thread to be posted. I am investigator, I was going to check Claw but I got roleblocked. Raiden is definitely not town, I'd guess that he's the Consigliere.

Not sure what to do on the Oops/Goon situation. Why would Elixir admit that a mistake was made if Oops really isn't SK? No other sheriff has spoken up, so it's hard not to believe that Goon is the Sheriff. I guess I could envision him being framed, which would explain Narks' result.

Right now I'm going to Vote: Raiden because I know he's not town, but I'm open to voting for Oops if things head in that direction.

[NorthStar]

Nice try MileS but, theres only space for ONE investigator, and hes resting in a graveyard right now.

[oops_ur_dead]

Nice try MileS but, theres only space for ONE investigator, and hes resting in a graveyard right now.

Look at the original post. There are two.

[NorthStar]

FFFF My bad sorry.

[Illidan]

That's definitely NOT what I wanted to hear from MileS.

However, I still thinks that the best way to got for today is to lynch oops, and we'll handle the Raiden/MileS thing tomorrow, without a framer.

vote: oops_ur_dead

@Elixir: in your recap, you missed Severn vote, post #104: http://www.thecouncilofmages.com/forum/index.php/topic,1619.msg15182.html#msg15182

[Raiden]

Sorry guys I was too tired to stay up for the thread to be posted. I am investigator, I was going to check Claw but I got roleblocked. Raiden is definitely not town, I'd guess that he's the Consigliere.

Not sure what to do on the Oops/Goon situation. Why would Elixir admit that a mistake was made if Oops really isn't SK? No other sheriff has spoken up, so it's hard not to believe that Goon is the Sheriff. I guess I could envision him being framed, which would explain Narks' result.

Right now I'm going to Vote: Raiden because I know he's not town, but I'm open to voting for Oops if things head in that direction.


Lol @ this. The romano mafia knew that Narks was 100% sheriff since his accusations towards procyon. If anyone was roleblocked last night, it's him. All you are saying right now is that you don't have a name, and you "know" that i am not town without any given proof.

At any rate, without the framer i am now 100% fair game for the sheriffs. There are two of them, even if Goon is not one, i will be 100% checked this night, and by tomorrow you will have all the answers you are looking for.

[MileS]

So how does Narks have a result if he was roleblocked instead? I know you're not town because I am the last investigator.

[Raiden]

I am not that sure Narks has a result. I believe, after Elixir's post, that Goonswarm is a proven sheriff as well and that oops is indeed the SK.

This means Goon can't be mafia, and both you and me were good framing targets for last night.

[MileS]

Then why would Narks lie about Goon? If he isn't the other sheriff, who is?

[Illidan]

Then why would Narks lie about Goon? If he isn't the other sheriff, who is?

Goon could very well be framed tonight.

[Raiden]

Narks and Goon are sheriffs. Goon has been proven a sheriff after Elixir's last post, before that, Narks could not know.

OR, maybe Goon is the real hooker and he knows that oops is the sk because he blocked him first night.

Again, Goon could be the real consigliere, who claimed sheriff since he might have known Crimson was the executioner and there were already too many invests.

What i mean is that all these options point toward the fact that oops is indeed the SK, and he is our first priority target regardless of what you think of me, and i of you.

The fact that you claim roleblocked is only proof that you don't have a name today, and that you are in a fairly better position than me due to all people trusting your inexistent claim on MrSmarter. At this point, you are probably the jester.

[MileS]

I'm claiming roleblocked because I got roleblocked. You're the one saying that Narks was the one who would have been roleblocked last night, which makes no sense because he clearly got a result, regardless of its veracity.

I'm perfectly fine with killing Oops as well, as I've already stated.

[Raiden]

Well, now tell me who would you have roleblocked last night if you were a Romano mafia. You have a proven sheriff and two far-from-proven investigators that also have a 50% fail chance on all their actions.

I cannot possibly fathom any of Narks mental processes, but i know that if i were a Romano, i would roleblock him.

[MileS]

Honestly, I probably would have blocked Narks too. But that's not what happened.

[vornksr]

Well, Narks may indeed have gotten blocked, but he could be lying if he was culted. Or Goon was framed. But no matter what, I'm fairly confident that Goon is actually sheriff, and that Oops is sk as 2 people have claimed.

I also note that Auckmid was really suspicious of Oops yesterday--in fact, he accused Oops of probably being SK, which seemed a bit random at the time. It makes perfect sense if he had that info from Procyon. So I'm 90% sure that Auckmid is another Romano mafia.

As for MileS and Raiden, I'm not sure what to do. I'm inclined to trust both--but MileS has given us the more solid evidence by claiming MrSmarter was inno yesterday. So eventually we'll have to go with him.

By far the most useful thing to do is lower the number of kills that are going to happen tonight. We can almost surely do that by killing Oops today. If someone has a gun, killing Auckmid tonight sounds like a great idea.

-vote Oops_ur_dead

[vornksr]

Question: Severn thinks that Narks is Cult Leader, and during night 1 he recruited a mafia. Would Narks and the mafia have had time to talk together before Day 1 started?

[Raiden]

Well, Narks may indeed have gotten blocked, but he could be lying if he was culted.

I also note that Auckmid was really suspicious of Oops yesterday--in fact, he accused Oops of probably being SK, which seemed a bit random at the time. It makes perfect sense if he had that info from Procyon. So I'm 90% sure that Auckmid is another Romano mafia.


These two sentences make a GREAT amount of sense. I forgot about Auckmid being suspicious of oops and not wanting to vote for one of the two most accused targets.

(I still think you are a bad guy, vornksr. Possibly a bad guy linked to the cult in some way)

[TheJackofSpades]

I would like to know why Goonswarm checked Oops instead of checking to see if A) Narks is actually a sheriff B)Either Miles or Raiden is actually investigator as they claimed

Instead, he JUST SO HAPPENED to investigate the same person the Romano framer's last will implicates as SK.

It just seems too convenient.

I'm not saying Oops isn't SK, I'm sure he is, but I think Goon should be properly questioned before writing him off as a confirmed sheriff. We cannot risk making a mafia unlynchable and unkillable.

p.s. I still think vornskr is the cult leader

[Rumpel1408]

Question: Severn thinks that Narks is Cult Leader, and during night 1 he recruited a mafia. Would Narks and the mafia have had time to talk together before Day 1 started?


Nope, Talking is Nightaction #1 for everyone who is able to talk, then come several role actions, then comes the next day, no time for talking about results without PM what is actually against the rules

[vornksr]

Ok, great, so we can dismiss that theory.

[vornksr]

If I was linked to the cult, why would I want to lynch the sk?

[vornksr]

but I think Goon should be properly questioned before writing him off as a confirmed sheriff. We cannot risk making a mafia unlynchable and unkillable.

I entirely agree with this.



p.s. I still think vornskr is the cult leader


I disagree with this.

[NorthStar]

-vote oops_ur_dead

[TheJackofSpades]

I disagree with this.
I would be surprised if you didn't.

I'm not prepared to formulate an argument as to why just yet, but expect one in the near future should I survive until then.

[Raiden]

If I was linked to the cult, why would I want to lynch the sk?


He has been exposed, it would be no use for the cult. But it will be a threat to the cult leader or his fellow cultists. Besides, i said that you could be LINKED to the cult, not that you are the cult leader. You might be a culted town power role.
Or maybe a romano mafia. I didn't thought so the first day because you wanted to lynch me - bringing clawtrocity to an instant death - but considering he wasn't romano in the first place, you now might be.

[vornksr]

I just pointed out an extremely likely candidate for the Romano mafia. Shall we lynch Auckmid and prove that I'm not on that side?

[Raiden]

You might have done that because you just know he isn't, in the end harming the town even more.
Anyway, i am 99.999999999% (can't really say 100% after what happened with claw) sure that oops is the sk, and nothing will prevent me from lynching him today. The town is already harmed enough with your "gaining information" lynches who in the end will lead to the bad guys winning. I mean lol, 4 citizens are dead, 2 mafia have been killed by OTHER BAD GUYS. The only town lynch was an investigator.

I already said that day one: we should have lynched clawtrocity. Worst case scenario, we would have lynched a citizen and not expose all of the town investigating roles to the bad guys. Also not letting the executioner win.

[vornksr]

Hey, you know what? I was arguing for lynching Procyon for most of the day until you showed up & confused me with your accusation of Claw. (Which, by the way, turned out to be wrong--despite the fact that you were sure that you weren't.)

When it became clear that lynching Procyon wasn't going to happen, I tried to convince the town that we should try to learn something by lynching--I still stand by that. I stated that I believed MrSmarter more than you & that we should lynch you. Turns out that MrSmarter was an investigator like he said, and your claim is dubious at best.

So I was right about pretty much everything yesterday (including Crimson being executioner and Narks actually being sheriff despite trolling).

I'm with you 100% on lynching oops, though. Perhaps we should save this argument for tomorrow when there's more evidence.

[vornksr]

Reply #154 on p.11



Either way, we learn nothing about goon, because Crimson might be executioner and not mafia.

So Procyon tells us about Narks, and MrSmarter tells us about Crimson.

MrSmarter also tells us about MileS, but he's also a greater risk. I've presented evidence why I do believe MileS, and also evidence why the chances of Crimson being exe are greater than Narks being exe.

So things balance in favor of Procyon, not MrSmarter.

I'm making this argument based on what makes the most sense, not on a need to defend MrSmarter.



Reply #187 on p.13, directed to Raiden



What evidence do you have for not trusting MileS? It's important, because it could change my stance on MrSmarter.

But let's be clear: I'm basically the only person who's been saying we shouldn't lynch him. Everyone else has only been asking for more time. So if his guilt should make anyone look suspicious, it's me.



Reply #494 on p.33



I am not voting right now, but I do want to weigh in on the MrSmarter vote. I do think that he is our second most informative choice (after Raiden), but I also think that he's rather likely to be town. So make your decision carefully.

[Raiden]

Claw behaved in such a way that he would have been suspicious even if i hadn't investigate him.

But ok, we shall talk about this tomorrow, i don't really want to heat the discussion even more than what it already is.

[Goonswarm]

Had a chance to catch up on this thread just now. So I want you to ask yourself this. Who else is claiming sheriff besides the two claims so far. I beg you to check me again as I know I was framed. In regards to me finding the SK as Sheriff I can not explain it other than to say it happened. I put out the check and got the information back. Check me again, because the evil roles realize what is happening and before the end of the following night I will be culted or killed without assistance. I made the mistake of backing an executioner and paid for it. I am not a jester or mafia and again emplore you to trust in that or you will have a repeat of day two.

[vornksr]

Goon, most of us do (or should) believe you. That's pretty clear. This is the one major way in which I was wrong yesterday; but then again, you were acting pretty strange.

[Yayap]

Ok, after 12 pages of catch up. Here is what I have:

Town, you have seem to have a few choices today.
1- Either Miles or Raiden are obviously not an investigator

Raiden: Claims that he is holding info in his last will so here are the possibilities
a- might be true investigator, and Claw was framed (therefor bluffed/revealed info earlier than intended)
b- if he is the consig, needed to secure his investigator position to gain towns trust later and checked framed Claw
c- is part of the Romano family and knows who roleblocked the sk (assuming sk didn't shoot GF).

Miles:
a- Is real investigator
b- consig and like he said, he checked MrSmarter and to gain towns trust went with it.

2- Then we come to the sheriffs...
Crimson was obviously Exe
Narks just seems like a troll.. I don't trust a word he says.

I believe that Goonswarn is a genuine sheriff. His story still adds up.
1- A sheriff would get an innocent on Exe
2- if I were a sheriff, I would not check the other detecting roles since they would be the obvious choice for the framer
3- He says he got a PM from Elixir saying that Oops is in fact the SK. (which according to rules setup should not happen)
3b- Elixir CONFIRMS that he made a mistake in PMs. He would not have needed to do this if Goon lied.

I do not think that the real 2nd Sheriff has revealed himself yet.

Then we have Oops...
1-Has absolutly NOT defended himself well by posting the setup... Elixir confirmed that he made the mistake!
2-Hardly contributed on day1 and was quick to join bandwagon.
3-Killing Claw and Procyon: exposing their alignment would expose the either Narks or Raiden if they came up innocent.. adding allot of heat onto them. And since the sk most likely did have a good nights sleep night 1, would want to kill the hooker. He probably didn't count on Procyon having named him in his last will.

Now as for the hooker and last nights target.
They assume that they targeted sk 1st night.
Since hooker believes that MrSmarter was Exe target, sk would be immune to blocking=Change target

Next plausible target would be a detecting role,
Crimson - Not a sheriff
GoonSwarm
Narks: seems more like a troll, and with procyon not exposed yet, wouldn't want to block to add suspicion on him
Miles
Raiden: With Miles getting MrSmarter right, Raiden is most likely not an investigator

Miles claims to have been Role Blocked, which would have been my choice if I was in his shoes.
No one else has claimed to be RoleBlocked so I will believe Miles.
And since the Hooker and Framer are in the same family, it wouldn't be too hard of a leap to think that the other decent target was framed

Adding all this up, I have
Goonswarm IS sheriff and may be framed
Narks may still be a sheriff but I'm not convinced. Another sheriff claim would not surprise me.
Miles is most likely Investigator and was RoleBlocked
Raiden is most likely not town, probably consig. He still hasn't given his target for last night... might even have the real sheriffs name but doesn't want to confirm it.
Oops still looks like the SK

Doctor, please protect Goon from the cult
Narks, if you truly are sheriff, check Goon again after today if you still think he is mafia.

[Goonswarm]

Well sorry if that is the case. In regards to why I checked oops. I thought to myself, if I was the framer, who would I frame. Then decided to check none of those people. After that I asked myself who I thought was suspicious and based on how oops acted I checked him. Finally the point aukmid made about oops needs to be looked at. We also need to focus on finding the cult leader which is something I can not do. If things go well we should have SK dead today and I will confirm an invest/consigliere by tomorrow.

[Yayap]

grr... had to go back to page 8 to get this going..

Vote: Oops_ur_dead

oops_ur_dead(6): Goonswarm, Raiden, Illidan, vornksr, NorthStar, Yayap
Goonswarm (1): Narks, Spy
Raiden (1): Miles

please keep this updated everytime you vote, so we don't have to re-read another 5 pages just to get the vote tally...

[Yayap]

typo... fixed
oops_ur_dead(6): Goonswarm, Raiden, Illidan, vornksr, NorthStar, Yayap
Goonswarm (2): Narks, Spy
Raiden (1): Miles

[Illidan]

typo... fixed
oops_ur_dead(6): Goonswarm, Raiden, Illidan, vornksr, NorthStar, Yayap
Goonswarm (2): Narks, Spy
Raiden (1): Miles

Missing Severn vote on oops: http://www.thecouncilofmages.com/forum/index.php/topic,1619.msg15182.html#msg15182

[Yayap]

Ty... this is why the list is a good thing to update. If you don't see your name on the list, you can point it out.

Updated list, if there are any other errors, please post the entire new list with updates. (and a link to the post with the missing vote)

oops_ur_dead(7): Goonswarm, Raiden, Illidan, vornksr, NorthStar, Yayap, Severn
Goonswarm (2): Narks, Spy
Raiden (1): Miles

[vornksr]

Actually, the doctor should really protect MileS from the cult. We've got lots of the mafia pinned down now, so our big worry is the cult--which invests can find but sheriffs can't. The armorer should give one of them a vest too, if that helps protect against cult.

[Raiden]

c- is part of the Romano family and knows who roleblocked the sk (assuming sk didn't shoot GF).


I already responded to that accuse yesterday. If i was a romano and i would like to accuse anyone, i would go for the sk, not for a guy who would obviously turn out not what i said.

Also, please stop saying that MileS claimed MrSmarter to be an investigator. HE NEVER DID. He just said not to lynch him, then MrSmarter himself revealed. MileS just said yes he is.

[vornksr]

Not quite.

MileS said "Don't lynch MrSmarter: I investigated him & he's a town power role." That's the least likely guess to get right (if you're guessing scum vs. power vs. cit). A scum who actually knew that wouldn't have jumped to defend someone who was innocent. The only possibility that I see besides MileS being investigator is MileS being jester.

[Auckmid]

I don't like the fact that Procyon was obviously backing me. It's possible that he was be so blatant as to put more suspicion on me. Either way, Elixir amited to makeing the mistake. SK is the biggest threat in the game (exept for maybe the Cult Leader). I would like to suggest the possibility that Oops is a Culted SK. In that case, he is incredibly dangerous. He need's to be taken care of right away.

Vote: Oops_ur_dead

[McJesus]

Ok after reading this thread these are my thoughts

1) could someone explain to me how Procyon and Claw both got killed by the sk? I really don't get how that happened.
2) I still believe goonswarm is sheriff, seeing as Elixir confirmed he made a mistake with the pm's. He was too quick to back the executioner but that would show up as town.
3) I am curious as to how the Romano mafia knows Procyon is sk particularly since the Romano mafia doesn't have a cosigliere. Perhaps Oops was roleblocked night 1 and because of that there was no sk kill but it is also possible the target sk killed on night one got healed in which case goonswarm would probably be mafia.
4) Even if you assume goonswarm is mafia I think it is better to lynch oops to cut down on the number of deaths at night.
5) Either Raiden or Miles is mafia so I think it would be best to have Goonswarm and the other unnamed sheriff check over one of them tonight and lynch the other one tomorrow.
6) Could I get some armour please?

[Auckmid]

Ok after reading this thread these are my thoughts

1) could someone explain to me how Procyon and Claw both got killed by the sk? I really don't get how that happened.
2) I still believe goonswarm is sheriff, seeing as Elixir confirmed he made a mistake with the pm's. He was too quick to back the executioner but that would show up as town.
3) I am curious as to how the Romano mafia knows Procyon is sk particularly since the Romano mafia doesn't have a cosigliere. Perhaps Oops was roleblocked night 1 and because of that there was no sk kill but it is also possible the target sk killed on night one got healed in which case goonswarm would probably be mafia.
4) Even if you assume goonswarm is mafia I think it is better to lynch oops to cut down on the number of deaths at night.
5) Either Raiden or Miles is mafia so I think it would be best to have Goonswarm and the other unnamed sheriff check over one of them tonight and lynch the other one tomorrow.
6) Could I get some armour please?

If the Executioner's target is lynched, then the SK goes into a rage. While in that rage, the SK can kill 2 people in 1 night :o

[McJesus]

Vote: Oops_ur_dead

for now, but I might change to Raiden who I believe highly to be mafia.

[Raiden]

Not quite.

MileS said "Don't lynch MrSmarter: I investigated him & he's a town power role." That's the least likely guess to get right (if you're guessing scum vs. power vs. cit). A scum who actually knew that wouldn't have jumped to defend someone who was innocent. The only possibility that I see besides MileS being investigator is MileS being jester.


Or mason. Or consigliere.

[Goonswarm]

So that explains the double kill as crimson is the executioner. I would also like to point out that crimson is an excellent cult target as people will dismiss him as he has won for himself.

[Auckmid]

Ozymandius has not posted once this entire Mafia game... Are you allowed to lurk this much? If not, should he be replaced?

[monster]

I'm sorry but can we have ELIXIR finally tell us what the f*** is the deal with sheriff detecting a SK?
Am I the only one who thinks this is kinda game breaking at this point?

Oops_ur_dead and Illidan have said that SK is not detectable by sheriff, so that leaves us ONLY with these 2 variants:

Sheriff really can't detect a SK - which directly means GOON is lying his ass off.

OR

A mistaken PM was send to GOON, which directly confirms him as sheriff and oops as SK.

If you don't think this is a big deal then just keep ignoring me.

#vote Ozymandias

[Goonswarm]

A mistaken PM was send to GOON, which directly confirms him as sheriff and oops as SK.


This is the one you are looking for. Also I am not so much worried about the cult as I am the mafia, I will be target #1 for them. We need to keep the investigator un-culted as he can detect the Cult Leader/Cultists. I would appreciate an Armorsmith to assist me this evening and the following until the mafia are dead.

[Auckmid]

Elixir ammited to makeing a mistake. It sucks, but life goes on. As long as Elixir make's sure that there isn't a mistake like this again, then I see no reason to abandon the game.

[FalseTruth]

I'm sorry but can we have ELIXIR finally tell us what the f*** is the deal with sheriff detecting a SK?
Am I the only one who thinks this is kinda game breaking at this point?

Oops_ur_dead and Illidan have said that SK is not detectable by sheriff, so that leaves us ONLY with these 2 variants:

Sheriff really can't detect a SK - which directly means GOON is lying his ass off.

OR

A mistaken PM was send to GOON, which directly confirms him as sheriff and oops as SK.

If you don't think this is a big deal then just keep ignoring me.

#vote Ozymandias

The way I see it Goon may be mafia or jester and Elixir made the mistake of giving him a pm that said oops is SK or the obvious mistake that you mentioned.

I think Elixir is going to remain purposely vague on this one so as to keep the game even. At this point, all signs DO point to oops being SK, but I see no reason to lynch him yet.

The length of day is our strongest asset. We should be discussing other things and further analyzing the MileS/Raiden situation.

We should also touch on Narks and question him a little bit. I suspect he may be culted.

[monster]

Ok, if this is a really case of a small mistake then this automatically means:

Goon was framed - both him and Narks are 100% sheriffs and oops is a SK.
Also, Raiden becomes the only viable Jester candidate, assuming there is a jester who is actively trying to get himself lynched.

[oops_ur_dead]

Can someone please tell me why I'm being accused?

[Auckmid]

I'm sorry but can we have ELIXIR finally tell us what the f*** is the deal with sheriff detecting a SK?
Am I the only one who thinks this is kinda game breaking at this point?

Oops_ur_dead and Illidan have said that SK is not detectable by sheriff, so that leaves us ONLY with these 2 variants:

Sheriff really can't detect a SK - which directly means GOON is lying his ass off.

OR

A mistaken PM was send to GOON, which directly confirms him as sheriff and oops as SK.

If you don't think this is a big deal then just keep ignoring me.

#vote Ozymandias

The way I see it Goon may be mafia or jester and Elixir made the mistake of giving him a pm that said oops is SK or the obvious mistake that you mentioned.

I think Elixir is going to remain purposely vague on this one so as to keep the game even. At this point, all signs DO point to oops being SK, but I see no reason to lynch him yet.

The length of day is our strongest asset. We should be discussing other things and further analyzing the MileS/Raiden situation.

We should also touch on Narks and question him a little bit. I suspect he may be culted.

It is true that we don't want to be to quick in ending the day. Keep in mind that Oop's is now at L-2, with 9 votes against, and 11 for a lynch. However, I don't see any reason not to lynch him. I don't trust the word's of a dead Mafia in the slightest. However, this is not my first time playing a game of Forum Mafia, and I was highly suspicious the moment he made his no lynch comment yesterday.

Also keep in mind that a SK is 1 of the most dangerous player's in the game, a Culted SK is the single most dangerous player in the game.

[oops_ur_dead]

I'm sorry but can we have ELIXIR finally tell us what the f*** is the deal with sheriff detecting a SK?
Am I the only one who thinks this is kinda game breaking at this point?

Oops_ur_dead and Illidan have said that SK is not detectable by sheriff, so that leaves us ONLY with these 2 variants:

Sheriff really can't detect a SK - which directly means GOON is lying his ass off.

OR

A mistaken PM was send to GOON, which directly confirms him as sheriff and oops as SK.

If you don't think this is a big deal then just keep ignoring me.

#vote Ozymandias

The way I see it Goon may be mafia or jester and Elixir made the mistake of giving him a pm that said oops is SK or the obvious mistake that you mentioned.

I think Elixir is going to remain purposely vague on this one so as to keep the game even. At this point, all signs DO point to oops being SK, but I see no reason to lynch him yet.

The length of day is our strongest asset. We should be discussing other things and further analyzing the MileS/Raiden situation.

We should also touch on Narks and question him a little bit. I suspect he may be culted.

It is true that we don't want to be to quick in ending the day. Keep in mind that Oop's is now at L-2, with 9 votes against, and 11 for a lynch. However, I don't see any reason not to lynch him. I don't trust the word's of a dead Mafia in the slightest. However, this is not my first time playing a game of Forum Mafia, and I was highly suspicious the moment he made his no lynch comment yesterday.

I know exactly what role you are.
Retract your vote or I will reveal you.

[Auckmid]

Can someone please tell me why I'm being accused?

Stop playing dumb, and answer some question's. Do you repent your word's from yesterday, and what is your role?

[S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

neither of them are investigators 8)

[oops_ur_dead]

I am investigator.
Raiden is Citizen.
You, Auckmid, are Romano Mafioso.

[Auckmid]

I'm sorry but can we have ELIXIR finally tell us what the f*** is the deal with sheriff detecting a SK?
Am I the only one who thinks this is kinda game breaking at this point?

Oops_ur_dead and Illidan have said that SK is not detectable by sheriff, so that leaves us ONLY with these 2 variants:

Sheriff really can't detect a SK - which directly means GOON is lying his ass off.

OR

A mistaken PM was send to GOON, which directly confirms him as sheriff and oops as SK.

If you don't think this is a big deal then just keep ignoring me.

#vote Ozymandias

The way I see it Goon may be mafia or jester and Elixir made the mistake of giving him a pm that said oops is SK or the obvious mistake that you mentioned.

I think Elixir is going to remain purposely vague on this one so as to keep the game even. At this point, all signs DO point to oops being SK, but I see no reason to lynch him yet.

The length of day is our strongest asset. We should be discussing other things and further analyzing the MileS/Raiden situation.

We should also touch on Narks and question him a little bit. I suspect he may be culted.

It is true that we don't want to be to quick in ending the day. Keep in mind that Oop's is now at L-2, with 9 votes against, and 11 for a lynch. However, I don't see any reason not to lynch him. I don't trust the word's of a dead Mafia in the slightest. However, this is not my first time playing a game of Forum Mafia, and I was highly suspicious the moment he made his no lynch comment yesterday.

I know exactly what role you are.
Retract your vote or I will reveal you.

Becuase that dosn't make you any more suspicious. Threating people with such comment's is the biggest Scumtell ever.

If you are accusing me of being allied with Procyon simply because he agreed with me in his last will is ridiculous. If I was a Romano Mafia, do you honestly think I would have let him put what he did in his last will?

[Auckmid]

I am investigator.
Raiden is Citizen.
You, Auckmid, are Romano Mafioso.

Oh great, now we have a third investigator.

[oops_ur_dead]

No. We have a liar, a Consigliere, and me.
You are the Romano Mafioso. Do not deny it.

[Auckmid]

LOL. Your so Scummy, it physically hurts me. So you waited and waited and waited, and are only telling us now that your Investigator? Pathetic.

[Goonswarm]

No. We have a liar, a Consigliere, and me.
You are the Romano Mafioso. Do not deny it.

Serial Killer desperation as the votes continue to tally.

[Auckmid]

It's very common as a last resort for Scum to claim a Power role, and attempt to discredit the person most for lynching them by accusing them as Scum.

[S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

LOL. Your so Scummy, it physically hurts me. So you waited and waited and waited, and are only telling us now that your Investigator? Pathetic.


The way you react in this says a lot.

[Goonswarm]

It's very common as a last resort for Scum to claim a Power role, and attempt to discredit the person most for lynching them by accusing them as Scum.

Make no mistake, by accusing oops on day 1 and Romano Mafia knowing you were SK I honestly believe you are Romano Mafia but unfortunately I have to confirm an invest tonight. The other sheriff needs to check Aukmid, framer is dead, we have no fear of false results.

I can tell you this for sure. oops_ur_dead is not investigator.

[oops_ur_dead]

No. We have a liar, a Consigliere, and me.
You are the Romano Mafioso. Do not deny it.

Serial Killer desperation as the votes continue to tally.

I have dirt on you, too. I am more harmful to you dead than I am alive.

[Goonswarm]

It's very common as a last resort for Scum to claim a Power role, and attempt to discredit the person most for lynching them by accusing them as Scum.

Make no mistake, by accusing oops on day 1 and Romano Mafia knowing you were SK I honestly believe you are Romano Mafia but unfortunately I have to confirm an invest tonight. The other sheriff needs to check Aukmid, framer is dead, we have no fear of false results.

I can tell you this for sure. oops_ur_dead is not investigator.


*knowing he was Serial Killer, sorry typo.

[NorthStar]

-vote oops_ur_dead I doubt hes an investigator at this point, he would of claimed earlier when he was accused, hes only doing it now because there is no way out.

[Auckmid]

Feel free to invetigate me. I have nothing to hide ;).

[FalseTruth]

I advise you all not to jump to conclusions and clear Goon if Oops is SK, which I believe he is. Goon could still be part of the romano mafia trying to clear his name.

I would like to suggest that Narks check Goon because there is no framer around atm. This way we can be certain he is in fact a sheriff. However small the chance that Goon is romano mafia, I still don't want to risk it.

[Auckmid]

I advise you all not to jump to conclusions and clear Goon if Oops is SK, which I believe he is. Goon could still be part of the romano mafia trying to clear his name.

I would like to suggest that Narks check Goon because there is no framer around atm. This way we can be certain he is in fact a sheriff. However small the chance that Goon is romano mafia, I still don't want to risk it.

No, please, feel free to investigate me. I got nothing to hide.

[Goonswarm]

I advise you all not to jump to conclusions and clear Goon if Oops is SK, which I believe he is. Goon could still be part of the romano mafia trying to clear his name.

I would like to suggest that Narks check Goon because there is no framer around atm. This way we can be certain he is in fact a sheriff. However small the chance that Goon is romano mafia, I still don't want to risk it.

No, please, feel free to investigate me. I got nothing to hide.

I can't detect cult, that response makes sense...

[Auckmid]

You can detect Cult Leader, can't you?

[Auckmid]

Investigator can detect Cult, can't he?

[Auckmid]

Forgot you claimed Sherif, not investigator.

[FalseTruth]

I suggest Narks check Goon and Goon check Auckmid. If Narks gets a clean message, we can trust whatever Goon says about Auckmid.

[TheJackofSpades]

LOL. Your so Scummy, it physically hurts me. So you waited and waited and waited, and are only telling us now that your Investigator? Pathetic.


Man you sure have changed since last game.


I advise you all not to jump to conclusions and clear Goon if Oops is SK, which I believe he is. Goon could still be part of the romano mafia trying to clear his name.
I agree with this.

[Narks]

i probably wont be alive after this night you do realize

[Crimson]

GUYS, I AM NOT EXECUTIONER.

Goon is Exe, Smarter was Framed. Miles is culted.

[Narks]

no he is mafia

[Goonswarm]

I suggest Narks check Goon and Goon check Auckmid. If Narks gets a clean message, we can trust whatever Goon says about Auckmid.

Sorry sir but I am checking Raiden tonight, I fully expect not to be roleblocked or stopped as it only helps the Romano family to see the De Luca mafia harmed. One of them is consigliere, and I intend to find out which before we reach the point where all our power roles are dead.

[FalseTruth]

GUYS, I AM NOT EXECUTIONER.

Goon is Exe, Smarter was Framed. Miles is culted.

WHAT THE FUCK?

Okay, at this point everyone should retract their votes from Oops. We need to question Crimson!

[Goonswarm]

GUYS, I AM NOT EXECUTIONER.

Goon is Exe, Smarter was Framed. Miles is culted.


Says the guy who accused an investigator and showed up innocent to a sheriff. On top of that SK DOUBLE KILLED that night you idiot. You are obviously executioner, nice try.

Also False why are you trying so hard to save oops, we know Crimson is executioner. You seem intent on stopping the progression of the town. It serves everyones interest to lynch the SK unless he is culted along with yourself, which I would believe with you trying so hard to discredit me and put attention on others.

[monster]

Ok, oops_ur_dead is dead. :) Nothing will stop the lynch machine now. Also don't get your hopes up for a detection tomorrow - all investigative roles are kinda revealed - mafia has 2 kills and 1 blocker + only 1 will be doctored.




GUYS, I AM NOT EXECUTIONER.

Goon is Exe, Smarter was Framed. Miles is culted.


Yes, I'm sure that was the case. Just take your win and go celebrate, you are not even worth being shot with a gun.

[Crimson]

GUYS, I AM NOT EXECUTIONER.

Goon is Exe, Smarter was Framed. Miles is culted.


Says the guy who accused an investigator and showed up innocent to a sheriff. On top of that SK DOUBLE KILLED that night you idiot. You are obviously executioner, nice try.

Also False why are you trying so hard to save oops, we know Crimson is executioner. You seem intent on stopping the progression of the town. It serves everyones interest to lynch the SK unless he is culted along with yourself, which I would believe with you trying so hard to discredit me and put attention on others.



Uh, no.

MrSmarter was your target. That's why there was a SK a double kill. Smarter was framed, and either Miles or Raiden were culted, I bet.

[FalseTruth]

GUYS, I AM NOT EXECUTIONER.

Goon is Exe, Smarter was Framed. Miles is culted.


Says the guy who accused an investigator and showed up innocent to a sheriff. On top of that SK DOUBLE KILLED that night you idiot. You are obviously executioner, nice try.

Also False why are you trying so hard to save oops, we know Crimson is executioner. You seem intent on stopping the progression of the town. It serves everyones interest to lynch the SK unless he is culted along with yourself, which I would believe with you trying so hard to discredit me and put attention on others.




GUYS, I AM NOT EXECUTIONER.

Goon is Exe, Smarter was Framed. Miles is culted.


Says the guy who accused an investigator and showed up innocent to a sheriff. On top of that SK DOUBLE KILLED that night you idiot. You are obviously executioner, nice try.

Also False why are you trying so hard to save oops, we know Crimson is executioner. You seem intent on stopping the progression of the town. It serves everyones interest to lynch the SK unless he is culted along with yourself, which I would believe with you trying so hard to discredit me and put attention on others.




GUYS, I AM NOT EXECUTIONER.

Goon is Exe, Smarter was Framed. Miles is culted.


Says the guy who accused an investigator and showed up innocent to a sheriff. On top of that SK DOUBLE KILLED that night you idiot. You are obviously executioner, nice try.

Also False why are you trying so hard to save oops, we know Crimson is executioner. You seem intent on stopping the progression of the town. It serves everyones interest to lynch the SK unless he is culted along with yourself, which I would believe with you trying so hard to discredit me and put attention on others.




GUYS, I AM NOT EXECUTIONER.

Goon is Exe, Smarter was Framed. Miles is culted.


Says the guy who accused an investigator and showed up innocent to a sheriff. On top of that SK DOUBLE KILLED that night you idiot. You are obviously executioner, nice try.

Also False why are you trying so hard to save oops, we know Crimson is executioner. You seem intent on stopping the progression of the town. It serves everyones interest to lynch the SK unless he is culted along with yourself, which I would believe with you trying so hard to discredit me and put attention on others.

I said I want DISCUSSION. I am not trying to save him at all. I want him dead as much as you do. A fast lynch will ALWAYS hurt town. You, of all people, should know that.

[FalseTruth]

wtf @ my quotes, sorry about that. I don't know what happened. Also, why is the executioner not admitting his role, if he has won?

[Narks]

fine, i did not want to say this, but here we go

oops is gunsmith, he gave my awesome gun with sideburns last night

and now we've got a culted gunsmith, good job morons

[Goonswarm]

Ok, oops_ur_dead is dead. :) Nothing will stop the lynch machine now. Also don't get your hopes up for a detection tomorrow - all investigative roles are kinda revealed - mafia has 2 kills and 1 blocker + only 1 will be doctored.




GUYS, I AM NOT EXECUTIONER.

Goon is Exe, Smarter was Framed. Miles is culted.


Yes, I'm sure that was the case. Just take your win and go celebrate, you are not even worth being shot with a gun.


Some may have been given armor :)

@FalseTruth Honestly there is not much left to discuss, we know who needs to be lynched. We know who needs to be protected and investigated for the most part.

Also Executioner may have to live until the end.

[Crimson]

fine, i did not want to say this, but here we go

oops is gunsmith, he gave my awesome gun with sideburns last night

and now we've got a culted gunsmith, good job morons


Why do you fucking constantly troll? How old are you like fucking 8?

[Narks]

fine, i did not want to say this, but here we go

oops is gunsmith, he gave my awesome gun with sideburns last night

and now we've got a culted gunsmith, good job morons


Why do you fucking constantly troll? How old are you like fucking 8?


u mad bro

[Goonswarm]

fine, i did not want to say this, but here we go

oops is gunsmith, he gave my awesome gun with sideburns last night

and now we've got a culted gunsmith, good job morons


This is impossible, I got a hit that he is the Serial Killer. There is no way he is gunsmith at all. Why are you defending the Serial Killer. I honestly think you to be jester or culted.

[Illidan]

GUYS, I AM NOT EXECUTIONER.

Goon is Exe, Smarter was Framed. Miles is culted.

Do you really want us to believe that you as a sheriff checked the COMPLETELY RANDOM framed target first night, and he was the executioner target too?

Come on, lynch oops already and stop this nonsense.

[Narks]

GUYS, I AM NOT EXECUTIONER.

Goon is Exe, Smarter was Framed. Miles is culted.

Do you really want us to believe that you as a sheriff checked the COMPLETELY RANDOM framed target first night, and he was the executioner target too?

Come on, lynch oops already and stop this nonsense.


apparently you want to believe a sheriff checked the completely random framed second night target who is claiming to be a sherigestigator

[Crimson]

Vote Spy

He is obviously bad

[FalseTruth]

Ok, oops_ur_dead is dead. :) Nothing will stop the lynch machine now. Also don't get your hopes up for a detection tomorrow - all investigative roles are kinda revealed - mafia has 2 kills and 1 blocker + only 1 will be doctored.




GUYS, I AM NOT EXECUTIONER.

Goon is Exe, Smarter was Framed. Miles is culted.


Yes, I'm sure that was the case. Just take your win and go celebrate, you are not even worth being shot with a gun.


Also Executioner may have to live until the end.

Question: Can someone please run a vote tally and confirm that Oops has been lynched? At this point, I still do think Crimson is executioner but I don't understand why he continues to claim invest. Possible jester? If so, Goon has to be the exec who won. This would also make no sense, because Goon would probably just claim exec if he won the game.

Conclusion: Crimson is probably exec, but just trolling.