Day Three: Calm Before the Storm

[Forum Mafia GM]

January 2, 1959 9:04 AM -ArcadiaNote: Many actions were submitted late. So RP is going to be pretty light today. Night results will be sent shortly.


As the artificial light was activated to maintain the biosphere. The survivors awoke. It had been a fairly quiet night. The only recognizable sounds from the babbling stream. As the Refugees gathered at the stream to inventory their supplies they noticed two people were missing. It did not take long to find Bellonda, but the nature of her death was odd. Her limbs had been bound to a metal brace from the wall. She was found at the bottom of the pool beneath the waterfall. Apparently she had drowned. Her accu-vox played nothing but static. Perhaps damaged by the water. Who knows what happened, but she probably brought it upon herself.

Jessica was found next. She had apparently visited someone last night before her death. Under closer inspection they found that she was Julie Langford (Consort). Julie was known as a woman of the town. Primarily servicing Rapture's elite. Who knows what perversions she employed in Ryan's Service. The Refugees had taken heavy losses, but with the deaths of two of Ryan's followers. Perhaps there is hope.


Day 3 will end on September 2nd @ 9:00 PM EST (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Semptember+2%2C+2012+9%3A00PM+GMT+-4). The start and endings of days and nights are clearly posted. If you do not submit night actions. It is you, who is at fault.

16 votes are required to lynch or skip.


Role List

Andrew Ryan - Godfather
[Hidden Mafia Role]
Yi Suchong - Drug Dealer
Peach Wilkins - Framer
[Hidden Mafia Role]
[Hidden Mafia Role]
Atlas - Revolutionary Leader
[Hidden Neutral]
[Hidden Neutral]
[Hidden Neutral]
Sheriff
Doctor
Mason
[Hidden Town Power]
[Hidden Town Power]
[Hidden Town Power]
[Hidden Town Power]
[Hidden Town Power]
[Hidden Town Power]
[Hidden Town Power]
[Hidden Town Power]
[Hidden Town Power]
Denizen / Revolutionist
Denizen / Revolutionist
Denizen
Denizen
Denizen
Denizen
Denizen
Denizen


Town: Armorsmith, Bodyguard, Bus Driver, Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Escort, Gunsmith, Jailor, Journalist, Investigator, Lookout, Mason, Sheriff, Veteran, Vigilante.
Possible Mafia Roles: Consigliere, Consort, Disguiser, Drug Dealer, Enforcer, Framer, Grave Robber, Janitor, Mafioso.
Neutral: Amnesiac, Arsonist, Executioner, Ghost, Jester, Serial Killer, Spree Killer, Student, Witch.


Living Players

Alia
Anirul
Chobyn
Darwi
Duncan
Edwina
Estes
Faykan
Helena
Ilban
Irulan
Kagin
Kailea
Kalo
Kean
Kynes
Lupino
Margot
Mavis
Mohiam
Murbella
Paulus
Sheeana
Siona
Talis
Tessia
Torynn
Tylwyth
Vernius
Vorian


Graveyard:
Moneo (Sullivan): Found eviscerated in a Kashmir backroom [Night One]
Victor (Denizen): Found eviscerated in a Kashmir backroom [Night One]
Garon (Investigator): Found eviscerated in a Kashmir backroom [Night One]
Leto (Jack): Found with a bullet hole in the base of his skull [Night One]
Gurney (Detective): Found shot through the heart in a dark corner of the Kashmir [Night One]
Bellonda (Denizen): Found drowned in the creek. [Night Two]
Jessica (Julie Langford): Found riddled with bullet holes through her chest [Night Two]







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[Duncan]

Lolz @ orange mafia killing off red, gj

[Duncan]

Do we not know what roles the dead mafia members are?

[Duncan]

Scratch that, i skipped the first part

[Duncan]

So, the day before Jessica was eagerly defending Faykan.
Time to lynch?

[Kagin]

im still gay be careful dont rip my ass

[Duncan]

Shouldn't there be 1 more orange mafia?

[Duncan]

-vote Faykan

[Forum Mafia GM]

Shouldn't there be 1 more orange mafia?

Fixed.

[Mavis]

-vote Faykan
Agreed

[Ilban]

Good morning, fellow survivors.
I knew there was something wrong with Jessica, when he/she asked me what I thought of Vernius for absolutely no apparent reason,
when I never even talked to him/her.
Either way; I was roleblocked last night. I could be wrong, but I'm just going to assume it was Jessica's doing.

Also;
I want to hear some more from Kalo, Talis, Kagin and Tylwyth. All they've done so far is check in (Post 1-2 times) then lurk all day long.

[Duncan]

Ilban, we already know that you can't be red maf, but you might aswell just vote for the obvious one.
i'm more concerned about the revolutionists right now, more than anything else. But if we can eliminate a faction, thus a kpn, that's 1 big step for the entire town.
Serial Killer is almost confirmed at this point.
I expect myself to die tonight from an SK attack.

[Lupino]

So far Victor is the only Atreides who isnt evil and he was a denizen, which means he could have become a rebel. This warrants some thought.

Jessica defending Faykan doesnt say much. Decent mafia players will defend others who are not in their faction if it makes them seem pro town. The orange mafia is too stupid to see that though, so they will probably defend each other.

vote Tylwyth

He came up with a standard excuse to bandwagon Faykan without checking if it actually applied to him or not (and it didnt). For all I know he might be part of the orange mafia, which also cant seem to be bothered to get proper reads on people. I also think he could have Sarcoidosis.

[Lupino]

Ilban, we already know that you can't be red maf, but you might aswell just vote for the obvious one.
Who what where how? Explain.

[Chobyn]

Is the /revolutionist on the roels list indicative that 2 denizens have been culted?

We have 2 days. No need to start bandwagoning now.

[Vernius]

Is the /revolutionist on the roels list indicative that 2 denizens have been culted?

We have 2 days. No need to start bandwagoning now.

could have been culted. max possible if revolutionary leader was successful each time.

nothing happened to me last night.

[Duncan]

@ Lupino, i doubt Jessica and Ilban would be smart enough to instigate this between themselves, so we can safely assume that Ilban isn't red maf.
Also decent mafia players wouldn't just out of the blue defend somebody if they were scum, since it's a major scumtell in most cases. You'd have to assume that the intelligence level of the players you are up against allows for diversion tactics which would seem basic at first glance, but turn out to be rather insightful. I do not think this is the case.
I also have a pretty good idea who the jailor is. Besides i got plenty of juicy info that just screams to the heavens for letting it out.

[Duncan]

Well i'm off for the next 8 hours

[Kailea]

Hello.

[Kailea]

Where is the missing kill?
Red mafia should have a kill.

[Kailea]

Ilban claimed roleblocked...

Hmm.

[Paulus]

Great choice of music. <3 FM GM.

So I am confused... how is Fayken red mafia? Was it because Jessica was defending him? I don't think this is a good enough of a reason, but who knows? (inb4 same logic on me)

The other thing I noticed from today's chat so far, is that Duncan has "some great information" and he knows who the jailor is.
Then leaves. I HATE it when people do that.

Nothing happened to me last night.

[Lupino]

@ Lupino, i doubt Jessica and Ilban would be smart enough to instigate this between themselves, so we can safely assume that Ilban isn't red maf.
Also decent mafia players wouldn't just out of the blue defend somebody if they were scum, since it's a major scumtell in most cases. You'd have to assume that the intelligence level of the players you are up against allows for diversion tactics which would seem basic at first glance, but turn out to be rather insightful. I do not think this is the case.
I also have a pretty good idea who the jailor is. Besides i got plenty of juicy info that just screams to the heavens for letting it out.

So from Jessica asking Ilban a question and Ilban saying that he assumes that Jessica roleblocked him, you say you have decisive evidence to know that he cant be red mafia? Thats a bold statement if ever I saw one. We had 2 roleblockers and maybe 1 or 2 drug dealers. That feedback message could have come from several sources and he could be taking the opportunity to create distance between Jessica and himself.

I will agree that we can assume he is not red maf but its not set in stone.

In Jessicas defense, her defense of Faykan was not completely out of the blue. A big train had formed while she was away and she posted her opinion on it. Her reasoning was quite sound from a voting-to-find-scum perspective, but I doubt that was the reason most people were voting. It was more about clubbing the lurkers into submission and forcing activity on their part. Something she stated she disagreed with. Could have been a legit perspective.

This Jessica turned out to be red maf, now we need to pressure the guy she defended could be some poorly cooked up orange maf ploy to get a mislynch out of the situation. Faykan has already claimed and wont have anything new to say unless he got recruited. Unless youre dead set on lynching him on a hunch or you think he will claim a PR all of a sudden, there is no point in voting him now.

[Ilban]

@ Lupino, i doubt Jessica and Ilban would be smart enough to instigate this between themselves

Hey, I take offense to that. Anyway. Like I said, I ASSUME Jessica is the one that blocked me because of her behavior . Like Lupino said, We most likely have another Escort/Consort, or it just could've been the DD.

And also;

Ilban claimed roleblocked...

Hmm.

Yes, thank you for restating what I said a few minutes ago; I'm fairly certain people here are able to read.. Anything else you want to add?

[Kailea]

Yes, thank you for restating what I said a few minutes ago; I'm fairly certain people here are able to read.. Anything else you want to add?

I was relating it to the fact that there was no red mafia kill, and it is a possibility that you are Andrew Ryan.
Your defensiveness is not helping your case.

[Paulus]

I was relating it to the fact that there was no red mafia kill, and it is a possibility that you are Andrew Ryan.
Your defensiveness is not helping your case.

There was two kills... Bellonda (Denizen) and Jessica (Consort). I don't understand where the missing kill was....

[Ilban]

I was relating it to the fact that there was no red mafia kill, and it is a possibility that you are Andrew Ryan.
Your defensiveness is not helping your case.

Was I supposed to just say nothing? :) You should've said it in your first post instead of just imply it.

But like Paulus mentionned, There was two kills last night, Though I'm honestly not sure the ''Drowned'' citizen was a mafia kills.

[Paulus]

Was the Drowned kill a Mafia Kill?


Best way is to ask.

[Vernius]

Was the Drowned kill a Mafia Kill?


Best way is to ask.

it would appear by the rp that we arent supposed to know how he was killed or who killed him. what bugs me is that i cannot find a role on the roles list the would a) prevent manor of death from being revealed and b) still supply the role despite (a).

[Paulus]

it would appear by the rp that we arent supposed to know how he was killed or who killed him. what bugs me is that i cannot find a role on the roles list the would a) prevent manor of death from being revealed and b) still supply the role despite (a).

I also noticed that the FM GM was viewing this thread for at least 10 minutes after I asked, so he probably didn't want to clarify.
Hmm, to add to the conversation....
I think Kailea has assumed that the red mafia didn't kill last night, so someone claiming RB'd would be the killer who was RB'd. I wont hold you against that. (oh shit recap and a declarative statement, didn't add to convo)
Lupino ironed out Duncan pretty well, so I don't feel the need to comment on it. ( Doesn't add to convo)
hmmmm
Do we want to pressure a lurker?
Kagin only posts once a day, saying that he is gay. (Not to target him out, there are A LOT of lurkers, but he posted today)
Also Mavis voted for Faykan pretty quickly, sheep go baaa.

[Vernius]

I also noticed that the FM GM was viewing this thread for at least 10 minutes after I asked, so he probably didn't want to clarify.

to be fair, you asked a very specific question on what seems to be a broad confusion.

gm, would you be able to clear up the death rp in question? what mechanic are we missing that leads to that sort of death description? are we overlooking a role?

[Anirul]

sheep go baaa.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[Forum Mafia GM]

gm, would you be able to clear up the death rp in question? what mechanic are we missing that leads to that sort of death description? are we overlooking a role?

There is enough of a hint in the RP. I am not going to hold every ones hand in this lurkfest.

[Vernius]

There is enough of a hint in the RP. I am not going to hold every ones hand in this lurkfest.



Her limbs had been bound to a metal brace from the wall. She was found at the bottom of the pool beneath the waterfall. Apparently she had drowned. Her accu-vox played nothing but static. Perhaps damaged by the water. Who knows what happened, but she probably brought it upon herself.


an ambiguous description of an unknown metal brace from an unknown wall. its not clear whether or not she is currently attached to a wall at the bottom of the pool or was bonded to a metal brace that was removed from a wall. this tells us nothing other than 'there may be a wall involved' and 'it wasnt suicide.'

she was drowned. im not aware of any role that drowns its victims. this gives us nothing.

then a mention of these vox machines that was damaged... i still dont understand these vox machines.

lastly "she brought it upon herself". this, to me, implies suicide. and yet, its not suicide and i imagine someone willing to -suicide would simply be replaced. what else could it mean? this seems to be the only peace of information that might draw a conclusion, and yet i cannot. was she a failed executioner? no, it was a mafia death last night. jester target? no, no jester death. spree killer? wouldn't really make sense.

its not holding anyones hand to simply make sense and be sure that your players are aware of the mechanics.

[Vernius]

cant be a janitor, otherwise we wouldnt see a role. unless there is an unmentioned mechanic in place that instead of showing a cleaned role as (?????) it shows as denizen and the vox business is about a cleaned last will. if this is the case, it is not stated anywhere and should be cleared up.

[Paulus]

She was killed by the mafia, and she didn't leave a last will?

[Paulus]

Anyway, good night.

[Vernius]

She was killed by the mafia, and she didn't leave a last will?

mafia has been bullets. this is a drowning.

[Vernius]

are there unstated mechanics in this game? unassuming changes to typical role behavior?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Who knows what happened, but she probably brought it upon herself.

what happened, but she probably brought it upon herself.

brought it upon herself.


Anyone who has ever played Bioshock would know about the audio diaries. Left on a machine called... the accu-vox. A simple google search would of solved your confusion.

[Vernius]

Anyone who has ever played Bioshock would know about the audio diaries. Left on a machine called... the accu-vox. A simple google search would of solved your confusion.

ok, so her accu-vox was damaged. i take it that means that the person didnt leave a last will. thats fine.

im giving up on that death. your obviously content in your ambiguity. but if by mid day no one has figured out your reference or meaning, we should expect some expansion. cant play a game appropriately if the mechanics have to be inferred from ambiguous rp.

[Vernius]

that's not a challenge to respond. let someone else prove me wrong. id rather see that i missed something than have to be 'hand held'.

[Kailea]

Hmm.

Brought it upon herself hints suicide, but I doubt it.

Possibly SK...

[Torynn]

Hm maybe it was a disguiser? I am not so sure about that....


Jailor perhaps? "rolleyes"

[Torynn]

But just go on. I will enjoy the vegi show. :D

[Mohiam]

Brought it upon herself could mean she was trolling the jailor so he executed her and the metal brace suggests constraint. It's hard to know without a second kill like this.

vote Tylwyth


-vote Faykan

Faykan seems like he best bet to be lynched today as we would get the most information out of it. Pretty obvious choice for a Day 2 lynch which somewhat has me troubled that this could backfire on us. Alas, lets give it a shot.

His one post from yesterday was very scummy and he didn't answer any questions about it.

@ Faykan - Questions from yesterday

Why do you find Paulus scummy? You voted him very quickly the unvoted him. Why?
Why didn't you reveal you were jailed in your first post?
Why did you think mafia will target you last tonight? I think you would be a bad target for almost all of their roles

[Ilban]

Hmm.

Brought it upon herself hints suicide, but I doubt it.

Possibly SK...

I really don't think there are two SKs in the game. Since (I assume It's a SK) the SK killed three people on N1, He couldn't attack last night.

[Mavis]

Well well, Not much happened in my absence. I am not buying Faykan's defence since yesterday; my votes stays on him.
"Brought it upon herself" Means suicide by straight logic. Something is odd as anybody could tell that Denizen can't kill himself.

I am going to check the role list, I will be back in a while. If I find the necessary information I might have an idea about the death type

[Mavis]

Screw that, I was suspecting fabricator/disguiser but Disguiser have it's cleaning on and fabricator doesn't exist.
Was anyone jailed today?

[Torynn]

How high are the odds that a kill was, swapped, roleblocked or healed? A lot of people seem to know more than i do. Since i don't see 100% evidence that the kill on the red mafia member came from orange?

[Irulan]

I am back. Nothing happened to me last night. Looks like odds are pretty hard against Faykan.

We should start eliminating red mafia first, to reduce the number of threats.

-vote Faykan

[Siona]

Hello everyone!
I did a little searching with the google search and found this:


That's how Levine's Ryan starts out, a "new man", an incredible individual, but in the end he fails and falls.

Ryan fails, Levine says, because while building the utopia of Rapture he never questions himself, never stopped to think if he had gone astray. And because of that he betrays his own belief system and ends up "wanting his cake and eating it too."

Despite his failings, Ryan still remains true to his ideals in the end, an important point.

"[olor=ffff00]He brought his end upon himself[/color] and didn't shirk away from it," Levine said. "He wasn't a hypocrite. He may have failed, but he really believed what he did and put everything on the line for it."

I don't know. Maybe someone can make something of it! Sounds like someone was full of himself, like trolling a Jailor, possibly?
Dunno!
No feedbacks for me. I have had a very lonely inbox this game. :(

[Siona]

Oh shoot, messed up the BB code for the color.

[Irulan]

Now that another day has passed what do you think about current events, Siona?

Personally I am worried about SK, who will go on the next spree next night. Ihope that we will find and lynch Serial Killer as soon as possible. 3 kills in a single night by one person is a bit too messy.

[Tylwyth]

So far Victor is the only Atreides who isnt evil and he was a denizen, which means he could have become a rebel. This warrants some thought.

Jessica defending Faykan doesnt say much. Decent mafia players will defend others who are not in their faction if it makes them seem pro town. The orange mafia is too stupid to see that though, so they will probably defend each other.

vote Tylwyth

He came up with a standard excuse to bandwagon Faykan without checking if it actually applied to him or not (and it didnt). For all I know he might be part of the orange mafia, which also cant seem to be bothered to get proper reads on people. I also think he could have Sarcoidosis.

You, good sir, are the definition of a Dumbass.

Jessica defending Faykan doesn't say much? Uhh when she turns up as Mafia it sure as hell does.

My guess is you are either something evil yourself or trying to take the lynch off of Faykan, like Jessica did, and put it on myself without hard evidence.

-vote Faykan

Check Lupino tonight.

[Siona]

SK will certainly kill 3 people tonight! I would if I were him. I am curious about what the other neutrals are. One is probably an Amnesiac, just because there are so many town, I think host would have put one. Especially since it is abnormal! The other, I think, is Ghost.
We certainly need to lynch someone today! I think we need more pressure on -vote Faykan
Say what you will about anyone here, his actions yesterday were the strangest, in my opinion, by far!

[Mohiam]

You, good sir, are the definition of a Dumbass.

Jessica defending Faykan doesn't say much? Uhh when she turns up as Mafia it sure as hell does.

My guess is you are either something evil yourself or trying to take the lynch off of Faykan, like Jessica did, and put it on myself without hard evidence.

-vote Faykan

Check Lupino tonight.

I don't think you can call anyone a dumbass when your only day 2 post didn't make any sense. You then went straight back to lurking after Lupino and I called you out on it.


-vote Faykan

Faykan seems like he best bet to be lynched today as we would get the most information out of it. Pretty obvious choice for a Day 2 lynch which somewhat has me troubled that this could backfire on us. Alas, lets give it a shot.

How would we get the most information out of a guy who hadn't made a single game-related post?
How is he a "pretty obvious choice for a Day 2 lynch"? Did you get all that from the one post he made?
If you're town and you've made only one post, why do you want to lynch someone who has done the same as you?
What makes him more scummy than you?

Faykan has already claimed so pressuring him is almost useless. He could be mafia but voting him now means no one else will be pressured today. Jessica's defence of him is by no means conclusive evidence. Faykan wasn't in any real danger of being lynched yesterday and mafia don't often buddy and defend their teammates so blatantly. They are much likely to do that with people not on their team.

[Mohiam]

Check Lupino tonight.

You're also directing traffic with a possible framer in the game.

[Tylwyth]

I don't think you can call anyone a dumbass when your only day 2 post didn't make any sense. You then went straight back to lurking after Lupino and I called you out on it.



How would we get the most information out of a guy who hadn't made a single game-related post?
How is he a "pretty obvious choice for a Day 2 lynch"? Did you get all that from the one post he made?
If you're town and you've made only one post, why do you want to lynch someone who has done the same as you?
What makes him more scummy than you?

Faykan has already claimed so pressuring him is almost useless. He could be mafia but voting him now means no one else will be pressured today. Jessica's defence of him is by no means conclusive evidence. Faykan wasn't in any real danger of being lynched yesterday and mafia don't often buddy and defend their teammates so blatantly. They are much likely to do that with people not on their team.

Eh to be honest I was on Vacation since last Saturday and have had zero time to read any of the day chats. My random post was just so I wouldn't be modkilled/replaced. Since he had so many votes to begin with figured it and my post would go below the radar.

However we're flying home tomorrow and I've now read up to speed. Faykan is the only real lead we have unless anyone else cares to speak up with some real information.

Mohiam why do you feel the need to start a pressure? Why not role claim yourself? How's that for pressure.

Also the possibility of this game having a framer is VERY low. But i'll make it easy then. Lupino and Mohiam need to be checked asap.
Lupino and Mohiam need to be checked asap.

[Mohiam]

Eh to be honest I was on Vacation since last Saturday and have had zero time to read any of the day chats. My random post was just so I wouldn't be modkilled/replaced. Since he had so many votes to begin with figured it and my post would go below the radar.

However we're flying home tomorrow and I've now read up to speed. Faykan is the only real lead we have unless anyone else cares to speak up with some real information.

Mohiam why do you feel the need to start a pressure? Why not role claim yourself? How's that for pressure.

Also the possibility of this game having a framer is VERY low. But i'll make it easy then. Lupino and Mohiam need to be checked asap.
Lupino and Mohiam need to be checked asap.

Why is the possibility of the framer "VERY" low? How would you know that unless you're on the orange mafia team?

I want to pressure you because I think you're very scummy. You just admitted to sheeping so it shouldn't be surprising I think that. Then you start saying I should role claim and be checked. Why do you suddenly think I'm scummy? You haven't given any reasons.

[Darwi]

Just woke up, but I'm still feeling a bit tired, so I may go back to sleep for a bit in a bit.

I'm with Mohiam on this one.

At this point, I'm willing to believe Faykan. Too many people (too many people who seem rather scummy in my eyes) are pushing too hard for his lynch on very little evidence. Yes, a mafia defended him, but not very strongly, and not while he was even close to lynch. This was more than likely just a ploy by Jessica to attempt to seem pro-town by defending against the random lynch on someone who, had he been lynched, would have turned up town. When I'm playing mafia I tend to defend against lynches early on almost indiscriminately. Sucks for her it was all for naught.

The cost of mislynching Faykan is high; if he's in code contact with the jailor, they can share information from night chats, and if necessary, disclose the information from a safer source than the jailor himself.

With these things combined, I believe today the best course of action is to pressure someone else suspicious into claiming, in order to get more information for the town. Siona has seemed strange the entire game, but it's Tylwyth who's taking my attention today.


You, good sir, are the definition of a Dumbass.

Jessica defending Faykan doesn't say much? Uhh when she turns up as Mafia it sure as hell does.

My guess is you are either something evil yourself or trying to take the lynch off of Faykan, like Jessica did, and put it on myself without hard evidence.

-vote Faykan

Check Lupino tonight.

This post seems forced to me, trying to make out the evidence against Faykan as stronger than it really is (trying to force a mislynch), while accusing Lupino in the same breath and pointing out the fact that's there no hard evidence against himself. He also tries to direct investigator night actions with a CONFIRMED FRAMER in play. See that Peach Wilkins up there in the roles list?

-vote Tylwyth

[Mavis]

What did I miss my friends?

[Mavis]

You know, jessica defending Faykan can mean a lot depending on WiFOM ( not that I know much about wifom ) .
I didn't suspect Thlwyth at all at first, but I feel that he slipped when we talks about the part where he wants to direct investigator night actions as mentioned in the post above me
-unvote
-vote Tylwyth

[Irulan]

I think we should analyze one of the posts, where Jessica attempted to "defend" Faykan.


i'm back.

for the faykan train, whats with all this "he needs to talk" sh!t? if you want to preasure someone, preasure someone who is actualy going to be active enough to respond instead of someone who is going to remain silent for god knows how long. afkers are normaly afk because they are not that overly interested in the game. preasure is not going to change that. as far as I can tell, the only basis for this train is that faykan is a lurker who was chosen through random.org. not a smart way to go, as it's just a "lets cross our fingers and pray" waggon powered by sheep and scum.

seriously, is he the best lynch target for today?

I still think that she tried to defend her Red mafia buddy. That guy probably went in lurker mode to avoid our attention. I didn't thought that he can be mafia... until the day Jessica died. I think that if Faykan is not in red mafia, then he can be anyone else - orange or hidden neutral. It's more worthy to lynch silent Faykan rather that talking Tylwyth. If Tylwyth is scum, then he'll probably slip up somewhere if he contunues talking.

[Chobyn]

-vote Irulan

[Irulan]

Any why you are voting me now? Explain your reasons.

[Darwi]

-vote Irulan

Dat nothing but vote post...

He can't be blackmailed. Blackmailer not in the role list. And he already posted once earlier today anyway.

Why vote without even attempting to give any sort of reason?

[Siona]

Chobyn is an obvious Ghost or Jester. Auto-ignore!

[Duncan]

As irulan pointed out: The red mafia members are probably all day active and not lurking as much, since jessica really wanted us to go onto the lurker route.
Besides every scum'd claim Denizen this early on. I even suppose Faykan may be Andrew Ryan!
+ Tylwyth seemingly didn't even read the role list, DAT scumslip/ghost indication

[Kailea]

Hmm.
I don't really find Tylwyth that scummy.
Faykan, on the other hand, is definitely not acting like a Denizen.
I think he could be Andrew Ryan.

[Paulus]

I don't know which way to vote.

Both sides make a good argument. However, my reasoning for voting is different than some others
-Vote Tylwyth
We need him to roleclaim at least. Faykan could be the GF, but I would rather collect some more information today THEN lynch someone.
The moment we hammer someone is the moment we lose all pressure.

Also, sorry to the FM GM, I think the kill was a Jailor and that the Red Mafia didn't kill anyone.

[Chobyn]

I didn't like his tunneling. but then again it's town that tunnels more rather than mafia. -unvote

sleeping now be back in 12 hours

[Paulus]

The Greatest Tally on Earth
Faykan{4} Duncan, Irulan, Tylwyth, Siona
Tylwyth{5} Lupino, Mohiam, Darwi, Mavis, Paulus

The current vote tally is above this line of text.

[Estes]

im still gay be careful dont rip my ass

Does no one pay attention to her posting? Honestly, She post once a day right at the beginning saying im gay then vanishes, I find this bullshit honestly that that is all she has posted and hasn't contributed a single thing other then extreme lurking.

That's just my little ramble on that, Anyways i do find it a bit odd that Faykan was being defended by Jessica who turned out to be red mafia, It have been her plan to frame people into thinking people were red mafia, But I don't expect that she expected to die that early also, So i think Jessica was trying to defend one of her red mafia from trying to be lynched and try and redirect the lynch somewhere else, But i also don't like how Tylwyth is trying to lead night choices for the sheriff and maybe investigator when there is a confirmed framer in the game, That i don't like seeing, I would love to know where that red mafia kill went, Maybe the GF forgot to send in a kill as the GF has said that a few night actions were sent in late/not sent at all. But that's a maybe.
I also will not be appearing on as much as i have been due to my internet cutting out on me for 2/3 hours every so often. (I got my ISP coming to look and check it out later this week)
Did anyone get any night actions? We need to start a list about those, We had 3 bus claims and 2 RB claims yesterday so we need to see if some of those match. (I highly doubt the bus claims match because one of them was a drug it seems)
As for me, Nothing happened at night.

[Paulus]

Night Action Claims
llban - RBed
That is a lot less than yesterday.

[Estes]

Night Action Claims
llban - RBed
That is a lot less than yesterday.
Right, There can be more then 1 drug dealer, Although i doubt that would happen. There should be another roleblock claim if it is the same as yesterday since a consort goes way before a kill in the OoO, And we should see atleast 2 people claim bus, (If not more. Damn druggies)

[Kagin]

What makes you think I'm a she, straight boy?

[Estes]

What makes you think I'm a she, straight boy?

I was referring to your name, And so nice of you to join us after i called you out.

[Mohiam]

Ilban claimed blocked. I don't think the red mafia forgot to kill as even if the GF was afk one of the other members should have been able to choose who to kill for him. There's a chance the killer was blocked or jailed (if Bellonda wasn't executed), which could explain the missing blocked claim. The BD might also have been blocked as no one has claimed bussed yet.

I don't think Jessica was trying to frame Faykan in case she died but she might have been trying to buddy with town and I say "I told you so" once Faykan flipped denizen. Defending her teammate is also possible. Either way the masons should have enough members through 2 nights of recruitment, multiple cit claims, and the possibility of multiple starting masons to risk recruiting Fayken. We shouldn't lynch him today before the masons have tried recruiting him and on so little evidence.

There's a lot of people in this game who post nothing once a day. I haven't forgotten them but we can't realistically pressure all of the lurkers at once. Tylwyth is a good start. I have a feeling he'll flip neutral from his sheep votes and apparently forgetting there was a confirmed framer.

[Darwi]

Ilban claimed blocked. I don't think the red mafia forgot to kill as even if the GF was afk one of the other members should have been able to choose who to kill for him. There's a chance the killer was blocked or jailed (if Bellonda wasn't executed), which could explain the missing blocked claim. The BD might also have been blocked as no one has claimed bussed yet.

I don't think Jessica was trying to frame Faykan in case she died but she might have been trying to buddy with town and I say "I told you so" once Faykan flipped denizen. Defending her teammate is also possible. Either way the masons should have enough members through 2 nights of recruitment, multiple cit claims, and the possibility of multiple starting masons to risk recruiting Fayken. We shouldn't lynch him today before the masons have tried recruiting him and on so little evidence.

There's a lot of people in this game who post nothing once a day. I haven't forgotten them but we can't realistically pressure all of the lurkers at once. Tylwyth is a good start. I have a feeling he'll flip neutral from his sheep votes and apparently forgetting there was a confirmed framer.

You yourself also conveniently forgot that there was a confirmed framer in the game. If that's a scumtell for him, it's a scumtell for you too.

[Kagin]

I was referring to your name, And so nice of you to join us after i called you out.

Now that you point it out, I do indeed seem scummy.
Google Kagin, overwhelming majority male portraits. You've got big balls to call me a woman, you better watch your back

[Mohiam]

You yourself also conveniently forgot that there was a confirmed framer in the game. If that's a scumtell for him, it's a scumtell for you too.

It's not a scumtell for him. It's one of the reasons I think he's more likely to flip neutral then mafia.

[Darwi]

Now that you point it out, I do indeed seem scummy.
Google Kagin, overwhelming majority male portraits. You've got big balls to call me a woman, you better watch your back

Kagin is a guy in Dune, where the names for this game were taken from. So officially, you're a dude.

And I'm a chick.

[Darwi]

It's not a scumtell for him. It's one of the reasons I think he's more likely to flip neutral then mafia.

Scum = mafia+evil neutral.

If I had meant just mafia, I woulda said mafia, not scum.

[Estes]

Ilban claimed blocked. I don't think the red mafia forgot to kill as even if the GF was afk one of the other members should have been able to choose who to kill for him. There's a chance the killer was blocked or jailed (if Bellonda wasn't executed), which could explain the missing blocked claim. The BD might also have been blocked as no one has claimed bussed yet.

I don't think Jessica was trying to frame Faykan in case she died but she might have been trying to buddy with town and I say "I told you so" once Faykan flipped denizen. Defending her teammate is also possible. Either way the masons should have enough members through 2 nights of recruitment, multiple cit claims, and the possibility of multiple starting masons to risk recruiting Fayken. We shouldn't lynch him today before the masons have tried recruiting him and on so little evidence.

There's a lot of people in this game who post nothing once a day. I haven't forgotten them but we can't realistically pressure all of the lurkers at once. Tylwyth is a good start. I have a feeling he'll flip neutral from his sheep votes and apparently forgetting there was a confirmed framer.
That is true, According to the RP, Someone was blocked by the consort before she died, Ilban i think is the person who got blocked by the consort and i think the red godfather may have been blocked by the escort/Orange consort (If they have a consort) Today, We need information on a lot of things, we know now that there is a confirmed jailor, But we do not know about a second one. Someone could have been attacked/healed and maybe they haven't arrived yet although we are 12 hours into the day.
The Serial killer can also kill tonite, So at least 4/5 people will die tonite, Counting if both mafia kills go though also, What i just noticed is this, the only person to have immunity is the red GF, So it's not like the GF attacked a orange mafia who has immunity and doesn't want to come out and say it.
(I'm kind of just tossing ideas out, I think we are in a good position for the 3rd day considering 1 neutral is dead, 2 red mafia and we should have 3 confirmed town who know who each other are if masons recruited each day.)

[Estes]

Now that you point it out, I do indeed seem scummy.
Google Kagin, overwhelming majority male portraits. You've got big balls to call me a woman, you better watch your back
Well i didn't look into that much, I just took a guess from your name, Do you have anything to contribute to today? Or did you only appear because i quoted your first post?

[Darwi]

That is true, According to the RP, Someone was blocked by the consort before she died, Ilban i think is the person who got blocked by the consort and i think the red godfather may have been blocked by the escort/Orange consort (If they have a consort) Today, We need information on a lot of things, we know now that there is a confirmed jailor, But we do not know about a second one. Someone could have been attacked/healed and maybe they haven't arrived yet although we are 12 hours into the day.
The Serial killer can also kill tonite, So at least 4/5 people will die tonite, Counting if both mafia kills go though also, What i just noticed is this, the only person to have immunity is the red GF, So it's not like the GF attacked a orange mafia who has immunity and doesn't want to come out and say it.
(I'm kind of just tossing ideas out, I think we are in a good position for the 3rd day considering 1 neutral is dead, 2 red mafia and we should have 3 confirmed town who know who each other are if masons recruited each day.)

Wrong. The killing neutrals and Atlas all also have a one-night auto-use immunity.

[Kagin]

Yea I was sitting here lurking, waiting for someone to pay attention to me.
I suppose my point (that I'm gay) got through and I'm already discriminated against.

[Paulus]

Yea I was sitting here lurking, waiting for someone to pay attention to me.
I suppose my point (that I'm gay) got through and I'm already discriminated against.

Cool.

Got anything to add to this discussion?

[Mohiam]

Scum = mafia+evil neutral.

If I had meant just mafia, I woulda said mafia, not scum.

uh ok but how can forgetting a framer be a tell for an evil neutral? Forgetting a framer is a not mafia tell unless they're faking it.

[Darwi]

Can Kagin be replaced, since he apparently plans to do nothing but troll and lurk all game?

[Estes]

Wrong. The killing neutrals and Atlas all also have a one-night auto-use immunity.
I was actually looking back at the role list a second ago and was going to put that in. I do wish that we had leads on the Serial killer and even Atlas or at least one of his revolutionist as the Serial killer will kill tonite and we would lose 3 people. While Atlas may be able to kill tomorrow if all of his recruits were successful, Since killing one of those will reduce the KPN unlike if we kill 1 Red mafia/Orange today they still have 1 member who can kill. (Not as much with Atlas but it will reduce the days before he kills.)

[Darwi]

uh ok but how can forgetting a framer be a tell for an evil neutral? Forgetting a framer is a not mafia tell unless they're faking it.

You tell me. You're the one that said you thought he'd flip neutral because he forgot (or conveniently just didn't mention the fact) that there was a framer.

[Duncan]

^legit ghost/jester strategy
Also i just realized this : We had 3 busdriven claims yesterday, did we not? I skimmed through the rolecards, and i found that Jack might have targeted the Busdriver. Hence another reason why we only had 3 (we didn't get a 4th right?) being driven claimed yesterday. So it's possible Leto wasn't the real targt of the first attack made by one faction yesterday, he just unluckily swapped himself randomly to his death. Plausible but less probable than being drugged. Just a bit food for thought.
Also as i stated before, probably every claim we'll get at this point will be denizen. Scum, PR roles and denizens alike will say they're denizens imo.

[Kagin]

Cool.

Got anything to add to this discussion?

ye, I think we got a bunch of dumbasses in da house voting faykan.
Why? When I'm mafia I always defend the citizen that's wagoned against to gain credibility. Or whatever isn't on my team.
Now, faykan isn't necessarily clean, just not red mafia. His excuses do sound like those of scum.

So, did I add anything to your discussion, or was it added in and assumed already without my help? Thought so.

[Kagin]

Can Kagin be replaced, since he apparently plans to do nothing but troll and lurk all game?

WHOA whoa whoa motherfucker.
Watch it, or you end up in a ditch somewhere ;)

[Estes]

^legit ghost/jester strategy
Also i just realized this : We had 3 busdriven claims yesterday, did we not? I skimmed through the rolecards, and i found that Jack might have targeted the Busdriver. Hence another reason why we only had 3 (we didn't get a 4th right?) being driven claimed yesterday. So it's possible Leto wasn't the real targt of the first attack made by one faction yesterday, he just unluckily swapped himself randomly to his death. Plausible but less probable than being drugged. Just a bit food for thought.
Also as i stated before, probably every claim we'll get at this point will be denizen. Scum, PR roles and denizens alike will say they're denizens imo.

Killing Actions / Arson Dousing / Jailor Execute / Killing Item Use (-1 Life)
Autopsies / Healing (+1 Life)
Cleaning / Grave Robbing
Blackmailing / Drugs Take Effect / Ninja Steals Ability

Jack is a ninja, So that would mean no, Good idea though.

[Paulus]

ye, I think we got a bunch of dumbasses in da house voting faykan.
Why? When I'm mafia I always defend the citizen that's wagoned against to gain credibility. Or whatever isn't on my team.
Now, faykan isn't necessarily clean, just not red mafia. His excuses do sound like those of scum.

So, did I add anything to your discussion, or was it added in and assumed already without my help? Thought so.

This was already said, but at least you are posting now.
What do you think of Tylwyth?

[Mohiam]

You tell me. You're the one that said you thought he'd flip neutral because he forgot (or conveniently just didn't mention the fact) that there was a framer.

That was a rhetorical question. I think he'll flip neutral because he's scummy but maybe not mafia as he "forgot" the framer. I'm not talking about his original post telling people to check Lupino, I'm talking about when he said the possibility of a framer in this game is "VERY low".

Why do you think forgetting there is a framer is a scumtell?

[Kagin]

Well someone made the assumption of BD being blocked, and if we match it with Ilban's blocked claim, we might have gotten our busdriver outed.

Inb4 some little shit sais I outed the driver

[Estes]

Well someone made the assumption of BD being blocked, and if we match it with Ilban's blocked claim, we might have gotten our busdriver outed.

Inb4 some little shit sais I outed the driver
Hm, that is true actually...


Why do lurkers seem to have sometimes more info then some of us that post and contribute...

[Faykan]

Why do you find Paulus scummy? You voted him very quickly the unvoted him. Why?
I misread something. I'd rather not elaborate.
Why didn't you reveal you were jailed in your first post?
Jailor instructed me not to until he revealed himself to me
Why did you think mafia will target you last tonight? I think you would be a bad target for almost all of their roles
I am in code contact with the jailor, so I was hoping they'd want to silence me to prevent him from leaking any information he gained to town. Barring that, I wanted to be a target to draw a kill away from a town PR.

Nothing happened to me last night. For real this time.

[Duncan]

Estes: I think that he would be swapped at the same time regular swapping commences, otherwise it wouldn't make sense.
But let's ask shall we:
If Jack targeted the BD n1, would he get swapped by his own random swap, which he would have acquired by targeting the BD?

[Kagin]

This was already said, but at least you are posting now.
What do you think of Tylwyth?

Tylwith is a shady motherfucker. You seem like denizen, which was apparent since day one. I sure hope the right team got to you in time.

[Mohiam]

^legit ghost/jester strategy
Also i just realized this : We had 3 busdriven claims yesterday, did we not? I skimmed through the rolecards, and i found that Jack might have targeted the Busdriver. Hence another reason why we only had 3 (we didn't get a 4th right?) being driven claimed yesterday. So it's possible Leto wasn't the real targt of the first attack made by one faction yesterday, he just unluckily swapped himself randomly to his death. Plausible but less probable than being drugged. Just a bit food for thought.
Also as i stated before, probably every claim we'll get at this point will be denizen. Scum, PR roles and denizens alike will say they're denizens imo.

He died night 1 so he couldn't have used his stolen ability.

We might get PRs claiming denizen but I highly recommend against it when there is plenty of protection still out there even if you're a protective role, you can give info freely, and you won't be mislynched after a mason tries to recruit you. If you don't want to be forced to claim then you shouldn't lurk or sheep as that's what will get votes on you.

[Faykan]

I'm actually rather amused by the lynch train against me on virtually no evidence. I'd rather not lynch and let the jailor do his thing unless we get some ACTUAL leads though. But barring that....
-vote Tylwyth

[Mohiam]

nvm about the BD. It auto-swaps Jack.

[Faykan]

BTW jailor, I've entirely given up on remembering to do my daily disguiser check, but the question I put still remains if you ever suspect me.

[Duncan]

Told you, it would seem dumb if he wouldn't get swapped/protected, since his mechanics indicate it would do so for the night he uses his ability on one of the protective roles.

[Darwi]

That was a rhetorical question. I think he'll flip neutral because he's scummy but maybe not mafia as he "forgot" the framer. I'm not talking about his original post telling people to check Lupino, I'm talking about when he said the possibility of a framer in this game is "VERY low".

Why do you think forgetting there is a framer is a scumtell?

I don't think forgetting there is a framer is a scumtell. It's really just a tell of someone who's not paying a whole lot of attention to the game, which may be an antiscumtell as they perhaps feel they aren't under as much pressure. You seemed to think it was a scumtell, though, and that's why I asked you. I for one don't think he actually forgot there was a framer at all, but instead, simply forgot that it was already revealed in the role list, and tried to get our investigators to go for framed targets.


^legit ghost/jester strategy
Also i just realized this : We had 3 busdriven claims yesterday, did we not? I skimmed through the rolecards, and i found that Jack might have targeted the Busdriver. Hence another reason why we only had 3 (we didn't get a 4th right?) being driven claimed yesterday. So it's possible Leto wasn't the real targt of the first attack made by one faction yesterday, he just unluckily swapped himself randomly to his death. Plausible but less probable than being drugged. Just a bit food for thought.
Also as i stated before, probably every claim we'll get at this point will be denizen. Scum, PR roles and denizens alike will say they're denizens imo.

I'm not a denizen ^.^

[Duncan]

What concerns me most is the loophole in my Faykan = GF theory. If he really got jailed he couldn't have killed n1, yet there were 2 mafia kills. intriguing, but we still have another red maf spot for you, so all's swell.
I'm staying on Faykan with my vote

[Vernius]

I'm actually rather amused by the lynch train against me on virtually no evidence. I'd rather not lynch and let the jailor do his thing unless we get some ACTUAL leads though. But barring that....
-vote Tylwyth

im sorry? youd rather let the jailor do his thing unless we get some actual leads, an admission that there are no actual leads and, in this contexting, barring no leads you shouldn't be voting based on what you said.... but then you vote for lynch....

i never found faykan to be compellingly scummy until this moment, right here...

[Faykan]

Town should be less concerned about the people who just find me suspicious as the people who repeatedly try to bandwagon my lynch. It'd be hilarious if I was jailor WIFOMing dumb citizen who has jailor's code ;) but I'm not, promise :P

[Vernius]

*context, not contexting

[Faykan]

im sorry? youd rather let the jailor do his thing unless we get some actual leads, an admission that there are no actual leads and, in this contexting, barring no leads you shouldn't be voting based on what you said.... but then you vote for lynch....

i never found faykan to be compellingly scummy until this moment, right here...

If anyone is going to get lynched I'd rather it be Tylwyth, it's not that complicated my friend.

[Faykan]

Town should be less concerned about the people who just find me suspicious as the people who repeatedly try to bandwagon my lynch. It'd be hilarious if I was jailor WIFOMing dumb citizen who has jailor's code ;) but I'm not, promise :P

For this reason.

[Darwi]

What concerns me most is the loophole in my Faykan = GF theory. If he really got jailed he couldn't have killed n1, yet there were 2 mafia kills. intriguing, but we still have another red maf spot for you, so all's swell.
I'm staying on Faykan with my vote

What concerns me most is that you continue to keep your vote on Faykan despite the pointlessness of pressuring him and the fact that there's not enough evidence to get him lynched today.

Why not help pressure Tylwyth, who has conveniently disappeared since we started pressuring him?

[Vernius]

If anyone is going to get lynched I'd rather it be Tylwyth, it's not that complicated my friend.

complicated? who said anything about complicated? its quite simple, you expressed that you wanted 'jailor to do his thing' which is to say, youd rather not lynch. you follow this with an admission that there are no leads anyways. if there are no leads, why not let the 'jailor do his thing' as you yourself suggested was the right thing to do? why instead jump on a train, ignoring your own statements within the same post?

[Duncan]

Darwi, Faykan is useless to us and at best a target for the revolutionaries. None of which we need quite frankly.

[Mohiam]

I don't think forgetting there is a framer is a scumtell. It's really just a tell of someone who's not paying a whole lot of attention to the game, which may be an antiscumtell as they perhaps feel they aren't under as much pressure. You seemed to think it was a scumtell, though, and that's why I asked you. I for one don't think he actually forgot there was a framer at all, but instead, simply forgot that it was already revealed in the role list, and tried to get our investigators to go for framed targets.

I didn't think it was a scumtell, I just said it as a reason for him being neutral over mafia. I'm pretty sure he only forgot about the revealed framer as I did the same. Unless he's faking he's probably not orange mafia or even red mafia because of that. I'm sure they would have discussed the other team's roles.

[Faykan]

complicated? who said anything about complicated? its quite simple, you expressed that you wanted 'jailor to do his thing' which is to say, youd rather not lynch. you follow this with an admission that there are no leads anyways. if there are no leads, why not let the 'jailor do his thing' as you yourself suggested was the right thing to do? why instead jump on a train, ignoring your own statements within the same post?

I'm not even gonna bother continuing this argument right now, I'm off to work I'll be back in 9-10 hours.

[Vernius]

I'm not even gonna bother continuing this argument right now, I'm off to work I'll be back in 9-10 hours.

-vote Faykan

make sense or be useless and a lynch target. i asked you a question and youre blatantly avoiding it.

[Vernius]

-vote Faykan

[Lupino]

Anyone else think its strange that we have to educate ourselves about Bioshock as a requirement to understand what the death descriptions mean? I originally took it for granted that it must have been a mafia kill and didnt read what it said, but even half a day in nobody seems to know what role would cause drowning deaths. Do we have any bioshock buffs other than Garon who could explain?

On the subject of bus drivers, plenty of people havent posted yet right? There might still be claims incoming. Or maybe Bellonda got hit by a bus or something. She seemed like a legit redirect target. Would it make sense for a bus driver kill to come up as drowned?

Can I Phone a Friend or use 50:50?


On the subject of jailors
– Each day you may select a player to jail. You will be able to speak anonymously to that player at night. Deciding to execute or release them.

Jailor execution ignores any healing, protection or invulnerability.
Will be able to jail regardless of lynching.
Can only execute only after no-lynch days.
You are limited to two executions.
Your captive will NOT have additional jail immunity.
Your captive will be role blocked.
Jailing blocks any night chats.

Jailor can still jail, just not execute after a lynch.


I was referring to your name, And so nice of you to join us after i called you out.


Kagin Atreides one of the [B]twin sons of Vorian Atreides and Leronica Tergiet. Kagin was quieter and shorter, introspective follower compared to his brother Estes.
Yarr a girlson. Kagin is scum tho cause he (not she!) is a House Atreides homo.


It have been her plan to frame people into thinking people were red mafia, But I don't expect that she expected to die that early also
The opposite is much more likely. That she was hoping to look like a townie if Faykan got lynched and turned out to be a town role.


So what we have on Faykan and Tylwyth so far:

Faykan:
1] Lurker
2] Claimed denizen
3] Was defended by Jessica (it would have meant more if Faykan had defended Jessica instead of the other way around)

Tylwyth:
1] Lurker
2] Admitted to posting a nonsense reason for voting Faykan, hoping it would be ignored
3] Plays the 'you have no evidence' card in his own defense, while he shows no evidence to vote Faykan either
4] Directs town investigative roles to people who are voting him
5] Reasons that the existence of a Framer is 'unlikely' while there is a confirmed framer in the setup

To me it looks like Tylwyth is trying too hard to look like a noob who doesnt know how to play cit and doesnt care about the game. It just doesnt look real. He is not a ghost, as its not in a ghosts best interest to die this early on in the game. He could be a jester, but then he might as well just claim.

So as far as Im concerned Tylwyth is either Brendan or some other scum role.

[Darwi]

Darwi, Faykan is useless to us and at best a target for the revolutionaries. None of which we need quite frankly.

...Are you seriously suggesting we lynch him because he's at best a denizen? And ignoring the fact that, if he's telling the truth, he's not only an outlet for information from the jailor, but could be recruited by the Masons as well?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Sorry everyone.

Forum was receiving a small update that prevented anyone from posting.

I hope no data was lost.

[Darwi]

No leading meta-game BS, Lupino ^.^ I'm an Atreides, but I'm not scum.

Also, care to explain how Bellonda could've been bussed into killing herself when she herself is a Denizen?

You took the words right out of my mouth with your reasoning on Faykan and Tylwyth, though.

[Duncan]

LOL @ Lupino thinking Tylwyth could be Brendan
Just priceless
Masons and investigative roles need to step up their game, otherwise we're gonna be tapping in the dark for a long time
I propose we get rid of Faykan now, and see how things unfold. He looks the scummiest to me by far albeit i already know what role he can not be.
Kill me for lots of information you'd be pleased to receieve.
As i've stated earlier, Jessicas post yesterday STRONGLY suggests that both remaining red mafia members were atleast somewhat active in daychat and not lurking.

[Vernius]

...Are you seriously suggesting we lynch him because he's at best a denizen? And ignoring the fact that, if he's telling the truth, he's not only an outlet for information from the jailor, but could be recruited by the Masons as well?

at this point, id put my money on revolutionary. Faykan suggested the 'jailor do his thing' (i.e. no lynch) and implied that there are no "ACTUAL leads". but then he is compelled to vote on the lynch train? after expressing that he didnt want to lynch anyone and let the 'jailor do his thing'? and then, to poor some salt on his open wound, he leaves for 9-10 hours, while on a lynch train, after suggesting that we not lynch while refusing to respond to why it is he's contradicting himself.

[Mohiam]

@ Lupino

I've played Bioshock twice but that doesn't help much. I think Bellonda died in the place where you first electrocute some splicers under a waterfall but there's no water power or "metal brace" that I know of. "brought upon herself" is the biggest clue which could mean a vigi or jailor killed her and the host thought it was her own fault for being so scummy. Mafia deaths have all had bullets so far so I don't think it's that and the host probably wouldn't allow suicides so early. Bathysphere operator (BD) could have something to do with drowning but she's not a killing role.

I have some problems with the jailor revealing to Faykan. It's bad enough that you would reveal to anyone the day after you jailed them when you obviously thought they were scummy enough to be jailed in the first place. It's worse that he revealed to a denizen who can be recruited to the revolutionaries and tell them who he is. Unless the jailor is stupid enough to do that, I think Faykan is lying about some things, either on behalf of the jailor or on is own. If he's a PR he should claim before the masons waste a recruit on him or the vigi shoots him.

[Duncan]

I still suggest we ride the Faykan train

[Faykan]

Town should be less concerned about the people who just find me suspicious as the people who repeatedly try to bandwagon my lynch. It'd be hilarious if I was jailor WIFOMing dumb citizen who has jailor's code ;) but I'm not, promise :P

On my phone at work. Wanted to re-iterate this before the lynch train kills me.

[Faykan]

Also that I'm not entirely opposed to letting town lynch me, but I hope jailor established a new code last night.

[Helena]

Hi, I really don't think Faykan is a lynch-worthy target. I agree with Mohiam with almost everything he says. I would much rather lynch Tylwyth for acting stupid than Faykan. In my opinion, Tylwyth is either a dumb Citizen or Neutral/bad scum.

Faykan, were you recruited last night?

[Faykan]

Hi, I really don't think Faykan is a lynch-worthy target. I agree with Mohiam with almost everything he says. I would much rather lynch Tylwyth for acting stupid than Faykan. In my opinion, Tylwyth is either a dumb Citizen or Neutral/bad scum.

Faykan, were you recruited last night?

I said earlier nothing happened to me last night.

[Lupino]

No leading meta-game BS, Lupino ^.^ I'm an Atreides, but I'm not scum.

Also, care to explain how Bellonda could've been bussed into killing herself when she herself is a Denizen?

The Brendan thing wasnt intended as a meta ID hunt. As you may know, its a bit of a running gag to associate fail citizens with Brendan.

I didnt mean Bellonda killed itself, just that it could be a redirect kill and that it got a different description for that reason. Just seeking an explanation for the missing driven claims and the odd death description.

Would a bus driver redirected kill get a different death description if it wasnt a self-kill?


As i've stated earlier, Jessicas post yesterday STRONGLY suggests that both remaining red mafia members were atleast somewhat active in daychat and not lurking.
Using that logic, Faykan isnt red mafia, because he had been inactive the whole day when she made that statement.

[Murbella]

LOL @ Lupino thinking Tylwyth could be Brendan
Just priceless
Masons and investigative roles need to step up their game, otherwise we're gonna be tapping in the dark for a long time
I propose we get rid of Faykan now, and see how things unfold. He looks the scummiest to me by far albeit i already know what role he can not be.
Kill me for lots of information you'd be pleased to receieve.
As i've stated earlier, Jessicas post yesterday STRONGLY suggests that both remaining red mafia members were atleast somewhat active in daychat and not lurking.

Why does he look scummy to you? I ask because in my experience scum will bandwagon with that exact logic (or lack thereof) - "he looks scummy." What about him looks scummy to you? Why does he look more scummy than Tylwyth?


I'm here, BTW. Nothing happened to me last night. As always, anyone who has any questions for me may ask and I'll be glad to answer.

[Murbella]

The Brendan thing wasnt intended as a meta ID hunt. As you may know, its a bit of a running gag to associate fail citizens with Brendan.


This made me lolol.

[Vernius]

Also that I'm not entirely opposed to letting town lynch me, but I hope jailor established a new code last night.

what is 'the thing' the jailor is supposed to be doing while youre supporting a lynch? why are you refusing to address youre hypocrisy?

[Paulus]

what is 'the thing' the jailor is supposed to be doing while youre supporting a lynch? why are you refusing to address youre hypocrisy?

I wanted to check, you are aware that the jailor can still jail after a lynch, correct?

[Helena]

This made me lolol.

Same, and nothing happened to me last night.

So on Day 1, the people who jumped on the wagon was:
People who jumped on the Wagon from first to last, including those who unvoted: Mohiam, Paulus, Me (Helena), Bellonda, Alia, Duncan, Ilban, Chobyn, Darwi, Kailea, Lupino, Mavis, Tylwyth, Margot.

People who have jumped on the wagon now, on Day 2. Also including those if they unvoted:
Duncan, Mavis, Irulan, Tylwyth, Siona

Mavis is a sheep.

[Helena]

Same, and nothing happened to me last night.

So on Day 1, the people who jumped on the wagon was:
People who jumped on the Wagon from first to last, including those who unvoted: Mohiam, Paulus, Me (Helena), Bellonda, Alia, Duncan, Ilban, Chobyn, Darwi, Kailea, Lupino, Mavis, Tylwyth, Margot.

People who have jumped on the wagon now, on Day 2. Also including those if they unvoted:
Duncan, Mavis, Irulan, Tylwyth, Siona

Mavis is a sheep.

I mean Day 2 and Day 3...

[Helena]

Same, and nothing happened to me last night.

So on Day 1, the people who jumped on the wagon was:
People who jumped on the Wagon from first to last, including those who unvoted: Mohiam, Paulus, Me (Helena), Bellonda, Alia, Duncan, Ilban, Chobyn, Darwi, Kailea, Lupino, Mavis, Tylwyth, Margot.

People who have jumped on the wagon now, on Day 2. Also including those if they unvoted:
Duncan, Mavis, Irulan, Tylwyth, Siona

Mavis is a sheep.

To be more specific, both are based on the Faykan wagon.

[Vernius]

I wanted to check, you are aware that the jailor can still jail after a lynch, correct?

im quite aware. that doesn't answer the question. why would faykan feel the need to say 'let the jailor do his thing' if he only meant the thing that he does every night? it only makes sense if it was the common submission to not lynching to allow the jailor to execute. he then went on to say that there were no 'ACTUAL leads' to follow, an admission that there is no point in lynching atm anyways so might as well 'let the jailor do his thing.' but then he hops on a train.

this to me says that he was in fact jailed on some night as a denizen, but has since then been recruited as a revolutionary and is now having to faux the act of supporting the jailor. but he messed up his act when he went against his own statement, within the same post and voted to lynch before leaving for 9-10 hours; in affect working against the jailor's interests.

[Tylwyth]

Eh I forgot about the confirmed Framer.

Anyway my role is Denizen. (Why don't you role claim now Lupino if you have nothing to hide?)

If my lynch gets Faykan lynched and Mohiam/Lupino checked out/evilness found out over the next few nights, then I am fine with being lynched. Should have played more this game and I thought I would have time but Diseyland is one heck of a place.

On a flight/lay overs/Sea World from now until 11pm EST (without delays).

[Mohiam]

Eh I forgot about the confirmed Framer.

Anyway my role is Denizen. (Why don't you role claim now Lupino if you have nothing to hide?)

If my lynch gets Faykan lynched and Mohiam/Lupino checked out/evilness found out over the next few nights, then I am fine with being lynched. Should have played more this game and I thought I would have time but Diseyland is one heck of a place.

On a flight/lay overs/Sea World from now until 11pm EST (without delays).

Why do you find Lupino and I scummy? Lupino has been one of the most pro-town players imo.

[Mohiam]

I hope all the lurkers aren't going to claim denizen with busy schedules...

Revolutionists are getting easier recruits and the mafia are getting narrower kill targets because Irulan and Paulus claimed with no pressure. At this stage would be better to risk lynching a denizen than not lynch at all? At least there will be one less revolutionist recruit if he doesn't flip scum.

[Murbella]

I hope all the lurkers aren't going to claim denizen with busy schedules...

Revolutionists are getting easier recruits and the mafia are getting narrower kill targets because Irulan and Paulus claimed with no pressure. At this stage would be better to risk lynching a denizen than not lynch at all? At least there will be one less revolutionist recruit if he doesn't flip scum.

I'm actually starting to feel the same way. We have multiple denizen claims... but we really only need to make sure the masons have 1 denizen target for tonight. Many people have said that any scum is going to claim Denizen at this point and I agree with that train of thought. I think we should pick the scummiest denizen claimer and string him up.
Opinions?

[Helena]

I hope all the lurkers aren't going to claim denizen with busy schedules...

I claim Denizen. Sorry for my busy schedule, too, but I am busy going at gay strip clubs.

Anyways, I kind of hope that the Masons and Cult target the same person if they both have under 2 recruits. We could lynch the Cult and have a doctor on Mason. Sadly, the Masons didn't go for Faykan...

[Murbella]

Eh I forgot about the confirmed Framer.

Anyway my role is Denizen. (Why don't you role claim now Lupino if you have nothing to hide?)

If my lynch gets Faykan lynched and Mohiam/Lupino checked out/evilness found out over the next few nights, then I am fine with being lynched. Should have played more this game and I thought I would have time but Diseyland is one heck of a place.

On a flight/lay overs/Sea World from now until 11pm EST (without delays).

So... you're at Disney Land right now and you're going to Seaworld later?
That doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Disney Land is in Anaheim & the closest Sea World is about 100 miles away.
Disney World is in Orlando & there's a Sea World close by, but if you were at Disney World you'd know the difference between Disney World and Disney Land.

Not so sure I believe your story.

[Murbella]

-vote Tylwyth

Fail Denizen claimer and lying about where he is. I've been to Disney World - there are signs EVERYWHERE which say Disney World & no signs at all which say Disney Land. The closest Sea World to Disney Land (in Anaheim, CA) is in San Diego, which is 100 miles away. His alibi doesn't hold up at all.

[Mohiam]

Tylwyth is the scummiest denizen for me and not much use even if he is telling the truth.

Irulan claimed on day 1 which makes him more likely to be a PR or already recruited (more likely by the masons than the revolutionists as they don't need to hide as much). He's stayed low since he claimed instead of being a hugely active participant in day chat like I claimed cit probably should be.

Paulus is the most pro-town denizen and would have been a good target to recruit from day 1. I don't think the revolutionists would risk recruiting such a high profile target the night after he claimed but they might do it because he's the least likely to be lynched. It's questionable why he claimed with only 2 votes on him. No one should claim with 2 votes when those votes could come exclusively from scum.

I don't think Faykan is scum but I'm pretty sure he's hiding something which could be that he's a PR or he's lying about the jailor revealing to him (the jailor shouldn't have). Lynching him means the revolutionists cannot recruit him and learn the jailor's identity but he will be very useful if the masons recruit him and create a network with the jailor.

[Darwi]

So... you're at Disney Land right now and you're going to Seaworld later?
That doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Disney Land is in Anaheim & the closest Sea World is about 100 miles away.
Disney World is in Orlando & there's a Sea World close by, but if you were at Disney World you'd know the difference between Disney World and Disney Land.

Not so sure I believe your story.

He did say he would be on a flight first.

Anyway, I'm keeping my vote on Tylwyth, although as the day goes on, Faykan is starting to seem more scummy. My "shouldn't lynch" sense is tingling on him, but my senses have proven to be extremely unreliable in the past. I believe we should wait for more of the day to happen before we actually lynch anyone; after the 24 hour mark, I'll make a list of who's posted and relevant notes. I feel like we're still missing a lot of posters and night action information.

[Mohiam]

Faykan (5): Duncan, Irulan, Tylwyth, Siona, Vernius
Tylwyth (7): Lupino, Mohiam, Darwi, Mavis, Paulus, Faykan, Murbella

16 votes are required to lynch.

If I were to choose a denizen to lynch it would probably be Tylwyth. It seems a bit early to be heading towards a lynch though. We still have a lot of time left and shouldn't waste the chance to pressure more people. We also still only have one blocked claim when yesterday we had 2 blocks, 3 bussed, 1 jailed and 1 attacked+healed.

[Duncan]

Same, and nothing happened to me last night.

So on Day 1, the people who jumped on the wagon was:
People who jumped on the Wagon from first to last, including those who unvoted: Mohiam, Paulus, Me (Helena), Bellonda, Alia, Duncan, Ilban, Chobyn, Darwi, Kailea, Lupino, Mavis, Tylwyth, Margot.

People who have jumped on the wagon now, on Day 2. Also including those if they unvoted:
Duncan, Mavis, Irulan, Tylwyth, Siona

Mavis is a sheep.
I didn't jump the bandwagon, i initiated both.
Also, as i said, only claims we will ever get will be Denizens (whoohoo)
i suppose at least 3 scum are still lurking

[Darwi]

Faykan (5): Duncan, Irulan, Tylwyth, Siona, Vernius
Tylwyth (7): Lupino, Mohiam, Darwi, Mavis, Paulus, Faykan, Murbella

16 votes are required to lynch.

If I were to choose a denizen to lynch it would probably be Tylwyth. It seems a bit early to be heading towards a lynch though. We still have a lot of time left and shouldn't waste the chance to pressure more people. We also still only have one blocked claim when yesterday we had 2 blocks, 3 bussed, 1 jailed and 1 attacked+healed.

There's not a whole lot of point in pressuring people anymore, as has been said, we're likely just going to get more Denizen claims. But if we were going to pressure someone, I"d suggest Siona.

Is there anyone in particular you'd like to pressure?

[Vernius]

why are you guys ignoring the obvious slip-up by faykan? do any of you have an explanation as to why he would do what he did? i bet you dont and yet you dont seem to care... wonder why this is...

[Helena]

I didn't jump the bandwagon, i initiated both.
Also, as i said, only claims we will ever get will be Denizens (whoohoo)
i suppose at least 3 scum are still lurking

You didn't initiate both. And I don't care if you did. I put it in order from first to last.

[Tylwyth]

-vote Tylwyth

Fail Denizen claimer and lying about where he is. I've been to Disney World - there are signs EVERYWHERE which say Disney World & no signs at all which say Disney Land. The closest Sea World to Disney Land (in Anaheim, CA) is in San Diego, which is 100 miles away. His alibi doesn't hold up at all.

Sea World is in San Diego which we are flying out at. We just arrived. Going to see One Ocean first which is a 25min show. We're not staying here long as our flight leaves at 6:20pm to San Fran and then 7:10 to 11:45 back home.

" I've been to Disney World - there are signs EVERYWHERE which say Disney World & no signs at all which say Disney Land."

Your a moron.

[Duncan]

I got a list of people that i'd like pressured, BUT since tonight's going to be a killfest almost assuredly, we can leave the pressuring for the next day..
Not only I, but most of the day active people have been convinced that Faykan is a threat (a dumb one, but still a threat) to the town.
I'll probably not contribute anything more worth of value today, seeing how the pressuring seems to have subsided for now. We'll know more after todays lynch and tomorrow
Jailor, don't forget to jail, since you CAN JAIL DESPITE THE LYNCH, just not execute

[Tylwyth]

If I am lynched and when it comes up as Denizen, town please remove Lupino from the game as soon as possible.

Even if he is Pro-Town, which is HIGHLY doubtful at this point, he has just lead the lynch to get me killed. He is a threat to town and should be removed if by Lynch of a bullet to the head. Unless he role claims and has an important role, he should be removed and removed tonight.

This will be my last message until early tomorrow morning.

Goodbye and Good Luck.

[Darwi]

why are you guys ignoring the obvious slip-up by faykan? do any of you have an explanation as to why he would do what he did? i bet you dont and yet you dont seem to care... wonder why this is...

You mean your obvious mis-interpretation of what he said to make it look like a slip-up to try and get us to lynch him?

He said he'd rather not lynch anyone, but if we are going to, he'd vote for Tylwyth.

His vote was for pressure. Tylwyth's still no-where near being lynched.

He wasn't saying "Hey everyone, let's lynch Tylwyth and block the jailor," he was just going along with the pressure vote, and most likely would have retracted his vote with a warning that we should avoid the lynch to allow the jailor to "do his thing."

It's a moot point even because the jailor can still jail even on lynch days.

[Mohiam]

There's not a whole lot of point in pressuring people anymore, as has been said, we're likely just going to get more Denizen claims. But if we were going to pressure someone, I"d suggest Siona.

Is there anyone in particular you'd like to pressure?

Pressure to talk and answer questions rather than claim. I'll reread a bit when I come back.

[Tylwyth]

Even a Failor or a trigger happy Vig is more of a threat to town then Mafia/Sk themselves.

Lupino weapon that hurts town is his words. Remove him when it says I am what I say I am.
And make him Role Claim. If he doesn't role claim and if it's nothing important, kill him immediately.
Make him now prove his town loyalty by actions instead of words since he just got me killed.
Thank you.

[Irulan]

What do you want from him? He claimed himself doctor, didn't he?

[Vernius]

You mean your obvious mis-interpretation of what he said to make it look like a slip-up to try and get us to lynch him?

He said he'd rather not lynch anyone, but if we are going to, he'd vote for Tylwyth.

His vote was for pressure. Tylwyth's still no-where near being lynched.

He wasn't saying "Hey everyone, let's lynch Tylwyth and block the jailor," he was just going along with the pressure vote, and most likely would have retracted his vote with a warning that we should avoid the lynch to allow the jailor to "do his thing."

It's a moot point even because the jailor can still jail even on lynch days.

i didnt twist anything. a fast train was forming on tylwyth and faykan was leaving for 9-10 hours. thats not a pressure vote, that's a vote to lynch.

[Darwi]

-unvote

Jesus, Tylwyth, get over your panic attack. You may notice that I also pushed the lynch against you, but you haven't mentioned me at all. You're not dead yet. Stop FoS'ing. I've seen too many games fall apart because of towns getting too suspicious of one another while the mafia just sat back and watched them tear themselves apart.

There's plenty of time left in the day, over 30 hours. I make a motion that we atleast try to pressure someone else before just giving up on this day.

-vote Siona

[Darwi]

i didnt twist anything. a fast train was forming on tylwyth and faykan was leaving for 9-10 hours. thats not a pressure vote, that's a vote to lynch.

Yes, because putting him at L-10 clearly shows an intent to get him killed ASAP. Fast train or not, it's still nowhere near close enough to even call it significant pressure, much less close to lynch.

[Anirul]

By the way, I was swapped by a Bus Driver last night.

[Anirul]

And having read through all the Audio Diaries on the Bioshock Wiki, I still have no clue what the death-by-drowning could indicate.

[Irulan]

Yeah, but we were supposed to lynch Faykan, right? For reasons I mentioned above. It's not like he flips town power role after he is lynched.

[Vernius]

Yes, because putting him at L-10 clearly shows an intent to get him killed ASAP. Fast train or not, it's still nowhere near close enough to even call it significant pressure, much less close to lynch.

9-10 hours...

9-10 hours...

youre buddying...

[Darwi]

9-10 hours...

9-10 hours...

youre buddying...

Please, throw more suspicion onto me. All the more reason for the mafia not to kill me tonight.

Faykan put Tylwyth at L-10. He stated that he might suggest there being no lynch so that the jailor can jail, but if there must be a lynch, his vote is on Tylwyth while he's gone, and he'll reevaluate when he gets back. That point has been revealed as moot as the jailor can jail even on lynch days. There's not much more to the story. He didn't slip-up. You're just mis-interpreting it to the point of paranoia.

I am not buddying with Faykan. I'm only stating it how I see it, which for the moment, puts me on his side against you. Something may happen later which totally flips the situation. Only time will tell.

[Alia]

Nothing happened to me last night, sorry I've been busy lately.
Has anything important happened or has this day been like the others before it?

[Kailea]

Even a Failor or a trigger happy Vig is more of a threat to town then Mafia/Sk themselves.

Lupino weapon that hurts town is his words. Remove him when it says I am what I say I am.
And make him Role Claim. If he doesn't role claim and if it's nothing important, kill him immediately.
Make him now prove his town loyalty by actions instead of words since he just got me killed.
Thank you.

Well, this post is scummy as all fuck.
At least a jailor or Vig is TRYING to help the town, while Mafia/SK completely destroy its best interest.

So many terrible denizen claims, so little time.

-vote Tylwyth

[Kailea]

Nothing happened to me last night, sorry I've been busy lately.
Has anything important happened or has this day been like the others before it?

everyone claims denizen
that is all

when shall you do the same?

[Darwi]

Nothing happened to me last night, sorry I've been busy lately.
Has anything important happened or has this day been like the others before it?

Nothing important other than who's voting for who. It's the typical over-analyzation and misinterpretation of posts turning townies against each other and leading to two lynch trains, one against Faykan, and the other against Tylwyth.

Also a distinct lack of night action claims in comparison to yesterday. Also everyone that has claimed, has claimed denizen. Except for Lupino. He's special. And I didn't claim an exact role yet, but I did claim "not denizen."

[Anirul]

Did you BAAAAAAAAAAAA-stards miss the part where I said I was driven?

[Darwi]

Did you BAAAAAAAAAAAA-stards miss the part where I said I was driven?

No. I noticed. But that still just makes 1 rb claim and 1 driven claim, compared to everything we had yesterday, which was 1 attacked+healed, 1 jailed, 2 rb claims, 3 bus claims? Did I miss anything?

[Mohiam]

Wow, I looked at the player list and I have no idea who these people are: Tessia, Edwina, Kynes. I vaguely remember Kalo and Vorian. When did these people last post?

[Vernius]

Wow, I looked at the player list and I have no idea who these people are: Tessia, Edwina, Kynes. I vaguely remember Kalo and Vorian. When did these people last post?

tessia posted both day 1 and 2 but contributed absolutely nothing but one liners. maybe 8 posts total.

edwina and kynes did not post in Day 2...??

[Vernius]

someone remind me, are we informed of replacements or not?

[Alia]

someone remind me, are we informed of replacements or not?

not directly

[Mohiam]

Talis is another one I'd forgotten about. 3 posts in 3 days and all of them useless... I wonder if he was replaced after day 1. Vorian must have been replaced. He made a couple of posts on day 1 and none since then.

I'm not sure whether to vote one of the lurkers/afkers or a mid-range poster. It seems all you need to in fm is lurk your ass off and nothing will ever happen to you.

@ Alia

You have only once posted something longer than a line. You have voted and unvoted without giving any reasons. Why have you chosen to harm town by contributing nothing?

[Ilban]

Good morning everyone. Gosh, I just slept for over 12 hours. Anyway.

Seems I've missed a lot; And I really REALLY hope we're going to get some more claims today before the day ends.
Be right back, rereading through what I missed.

[Alia]

Talis is another one I'd forgotten about. 3 posts in 3 days and all of them useless... I wonder if he was replaced after day 1. Vorian must have been replaced. He made a couple of posts on day 1 and none since then.

I'm not sure whether to vote one of the lurkers/afkers or a mid-range poster. It seems all you need to in fm is lurk your ass off and nothing will ever happen to you.

@ Alia

You have only once posted something longer than a line. You have voted and unvoted without giving any reasons. Why have you chosen to harm town by contributing nothing?

I haven't harmed the town, I simply had nothing to contribute.

[Murbella]

Sea World is in San Diego which we are flying out at. We just arrived. Going to see One Ocean first which is a 25min show. We're not staying here long as our flight leaves at 6:20pm to San Fran and then 7:10 to 11:45 back home.

" I've been to Disney World - there are signs EVERYWHERE which say Disney World & no signs at all which say Disney Land."

Your a moron.

First off, if you're going to call someone a moron, it's much more effective and much less ironic if you can grasp some basic English skills first - I would suggest simply googling the proper ways to use "your" and "you're." So no, you're actually the moron.

Secondly, those times mean nothing to me. You can google and find all of the show times for the different shows at Sea World and even possible flight times today to correlate your story & that would have been the next logical step after I pointed out how full of shit you are. Besides, what happened to being busy until 11pm? Now, all of a sudden, you come back with some bullshit claim about where you are & I still don't believe you.
If you had a reading comprehension level above that of an average 5th grader maybe you'd realize that what I said had a reasoning behind it other than just saying you were wrong.

(hint hint: I got you to admit to lying about being so busy that you couldn't post)

GG lurking scum

[Murbella]

Besides, Tylwyth, you gave an approximate time which you left "Disney Land" to be 3 hours ago. You then proceeded to claim that you just arrived to San Diego (2 hours ago now). You drove from Anaheim to San Diego in an hour? That's a 96 mile journey. You're so full of shit it's literally just spewing all over your keyboard.

[Kagin]

Tylwyth, what did Lupino/Mohiam do that was so scummy except for suspecting you?
I mean we all have some bias against people who attack us verbally (but i forgive you guys who pressured me cus u seem legit).

[Kailea]

Besides, Tylwyth, you gave an approximate time which you left "Disney Land" to be 3 hours ago. You then proceeded to claim that you just arrived to San Diego (2 hours ago now). You drove from Anaheim to San Diego in an hour? That's a 96 mile journey. You're so full of shit it's literally just spewing all over your keyboard.

Murbella shall now be known as the Freudian Slip police.

[Kagin]

Where is the missing kill?
Red mafia should have a kill.

How do you know which mafia has a missing kill?

[Mohiam]

I haven't harmed the town, I simply had nothing to contribute.

Everyone has something to contribute. Why did you join the bandwagon on Faykan yesterday without giving any reasons? What were your reasons for voting him and then unvoting him later in the day?

[Kagin]

How do you know which mafia has a missing kill?

Ey Kailea.
-vote Kailea

[Murbella]

Everyone has something to contribute. Why did you join the bandwagon on Faykan yesterday without giving any reasons? What were your reasons for voting him and then unvoting him later in the day?
Agreed. Even just giving your reasoning (opinion) behind a vote is contributing to town's best interest. A lot of the first couple days is discussion and speech-based scumhunting. Every valid opinion which is contributed after becoming informed helps town a ton. If nothing else, it gives you the incentive to think a little more and maybe come into a situation with a fresh set of eyes.

[Anirul]

How do you know which mafia has a missing kill?

I'm also curious about this.

-vote Kailea

[Mohiam]

I don't mean to defend other people but there's a non-sinister reason why people think the red mafia missed their kill. Unless the reds' kill was bussed back onto them it was the orange mafia who killed Jessica.

[Helena]

I don't mean to defend other people but there's a non-sinister reason why people think the red mafia missed their kill. Unless the reds' kill was bussed back onto them it was the orange mafia who killed Jessica.

If that was the case, we would have 2 bus claims.
We only have 1 atm.

[Helena]

If that was the case, we would have 2 bus claims.
We only have 1 atm.

Nevermind. Jessica would be the second bussed..

[Mohiam]

If that was the case, we would have 2 bus claims.
We only have 1 atm.

If the reds' kill was bussed back onto them we would have 1 real bus claim and there's 1 atm. It's more likely the oranges killed but Jessica being bussed would explain why we only have one claim. Still a more likely explanation would be that a lurker hasn't claimed yet.

[Helena]

I don't mean to defend other people but there's a non-sinister reason why people think the red mafia missed their kill. Unless the reds' kill was bussed back onto them it was the orange mafia who killed Jessica.

We still don't know for sure if the reds' kill was bussed back onto them.
If they were bussed, what happened with the oranges' kill?

Same situation! ^.^

[Mohiam]

We still don't know for sure if the reds' kill was bussed back onto them.
If they were bussed, what happened with the oranges' kill?

Same situation! ^.^

Hopefully they took a vest off Atlas or the sk :/

[Alia]

Everyone has something to contribute. Why did you join the bandwagon on Faykan yesterday without giving any reasons? What were your reasons for voting him and then unvoting him later in the day?

pressure for claim, claimed denizen unvoted.
nothing to contribute

[Kagin]

That much is true, but Kailea went lurking after I asked. it's a shame only mafia knows if that single driven result was real or falsified

[Anirul]

If the reds' kill was bussed back onto them we would have 1 real bus claim and there's 1 atm. It's more likely the oranges killed but Jessica being bussed would explain why we only have one claim. Still a more likely explanation would be that a lurker hasn't claimed yet.

I can't help but feel that the Bus Driver is somehow involved in the drowning death, too.

[Helena]

Lol Kagin, why don't you just vote Duncan for saying this, then?

Lolz @ orange mafia killing off red, gj

[Kagin]

I'd vote duncan indeed, seems like a shithead

[Helena]

I'd vote duncan indeed, seems like a shithead

+1

[Kailea]

How do you know which mafia has a missing kill?


Ey Kailea.
-vote Kailea


We still don't know for sure if the reds' kill was bussed back onto them.
If they were bussed, what happened with the oranges' kill?

Same situation! ^.^

Sorry, I was out on a run.

Helena and Mohiam basically said it, I was inferring that it was an orange mafia kill, because a red mafia died, and I found that more plausible than bus back onto themselves.

[Kagin]

yeah -unvote

Seems like another no-lynch day. inb4 5 dead bodies tomorrow.

[Kailea]

Also, I find Anirul a bit odd.

He really doesn't contribute much besides those damn puns.

I don't really think he's a Denizen.

[Ilban]

Alright. From what I've read, I'll have to agree that Tylwyth is making my scumdar go crazy right now, but there is still a lot of time before the end of the day and we shouldn't rush things; We still have to hear from a lot of people before lynching someone.
And I still think Faykan is hiding something, though who knows what.

Let's hear from the others before going for Tylwyth. We have 27 hours left.

[Anirul]

Also, I find Anirul a bit odd.

He really doesn't contribute much besides those damn puns.

I don't really think he's a Denizen.

Lol. "He voted for me, and since I'm a shithead, I think he's automatically scum."

[Anirul]

And bullshit I don't contribute. Get bent, Kailea.

[Helena]

Also, I find Anirul a bit odd.

He really doesn't contribute much besides those damn puns.

I don't really think he's a Denizen.

Anirul claimed 'not citizen'

[Kailea]

Lol. "He voted for me, and since I'm a shithead, I think he's automatically scum."

Well, that is one reason.
I pointed it out earlier in the day as well before you voted me anyway.

[Kailea]

Anirul claimed 'not citizen'

Oh?
Yesterday he claimed Denizen.


Explain.

[Anirul]

Oh?
Yesterday he claimed Denizen.


Explain.

Someone else claimed PR for me.

I'm both. Like Schrodinger's cat, but cooler and funnier (with them puns).

[Kailea]

Someone else claimed PR for me.

I'm both. Like Schrodinger's cat, but cooler and funnier (with them puns).

That's not exactly a viable explanation.

Helena, in what post did he claim "not citizen?"

[Kagin]

We are all citizens of Rapture

[Anirul]

That's not exactly a viable explanation.

Helena, in what post did he claim "not citizen?"

Lawl. Come at me, Kailea. I never claimed "not citizen." I claimed Denizen jokingly in a post about how all these pressure lynches were idiotic and pointless when town has no real info.

[Kailea]

We are all citizens of Rapture

OR ARE WE WIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOM

[Anirul]

OR ARE WE WIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOM

Ugh. Please go listen to some My Chem behind a dumpster somewhere and save the humor for those among us actually gifted by the muse of laughter. Specifically, me.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[Kailea]

Lawl. Come at me, Kailea. I never claimed "not citizen." I claimed Denizen jokingly in a post about how all these pressure lynches were idiotic and pointless when town has no real info.

Ah, so it was fake. Thank you for telling us that.

*actuallynotsarcasmi'mjustcondescendingbecausestuc kinhousewithcondescendinggrandmotherhelpmegetmeout ofhere*

[Kailea]

Ugh. Please go listen to some My Chem behind a dumpster somewhere and save the humor for those among us actually gifted by the muse of laughter. Specifically, me.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

:(
so mean

i'm actually listening to Muse right now, it was a funny connection.


I'm going to dinner now, I'll be back in an hour or so.

[Anirul]

:(
so mean

i'm actually listening to Muse right now, it was a funny connection.

Thank you for confirming my suspicions that all your favorite bands are terrible.

Not unvoting just for that.

[Helena]

Oh?
Yesterday he claimed Denizen.


Explain.

Nope. You are confused. Or maybe it's me.
But I remember someone claimed 'Not Denizen'. I believe it was Mr. Sheep Anirul

I don't remember what post he claimed it in. Give me a minute or two.

[Anirul]

Nope. You are confused. Or maybe it's me.
But I remember someone claimed 'Not Denizen'. I believe it was Mr. Sheep Anirul

I don't remember what post he claimed it in. Give me a minute or two.

I've claimed a lot of things, Helena. Voice of my generation? Sure. Comedic genius? Obviously. Not Denizen? Don't be ridiculous.

[Ilban]

Nope. You are confused. Or maybe it's me.
But I remember someone claimed 'Not Denizen'. I believe it was Mr. Sheep Anirul

I don't remember what post he claimed it in. Give me a minute or two.

Just sayin';
I reread through Anirul's posts and he hasn't claimed ''Not Denizen''.

[Vernius]

but I did claim "not denizen."

it was darwi, not anirul.

[Darwi]

it was darwi, not anirul.

IT WAS MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! *echoing evil laughter*

And it wasn't a joking claim. I'm actually not a Denizen. Couldn't stand so many people claiming Denizen, I had to get a different claim out there.

Almost no one has even mentioned me this game except when they're talking directly to me. And everything I say is getting attributed to someone else. It's like you guys just can't remember me.. it's like I'm... the ANTI-MEME!

[Helena]

IT WAS MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! *echoing evil laughter*

And it wasn't a joking claim. I'm actually not a Denizen. Couldn't stand so many people claiming Denizen, I had to get a different claim out there.

Almost no one has even mentioned me this game except when they're talking directly to me. And everything I say is getting attributed to someone else. It's like you guys just can't remember me.. it's like I'm... the ANTI-MEME!

me gusta

[Duncan]

I'd vote duncan indeed, seems like a shithead


Lol Kagin, why don't you just vote Duncan for saying this, then?
And what do you idiots think that makes me? orange maf? We had 2 kills 1 of which was red maf, unless they got bussed back to equlibrium it's safe to assume the orange maf made this kill.
We'll get rid of both Faykan and Tylwyth, nobody ever suggested me being executioner so unless u got some solid reason to not lynch him first let's go with him.
If you convince yourselves that i'm afterall an executioner we can gladly get rid off Tylwyth first.
AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, JAILORS CAN JAIL DESPITE HAVING HAD A LYNCH. THEY CAN JUST NOT EXECUTE
There is no sensible argument as why to not lynch potential threats. I'll stay on Faykan unless Tylwyth needs hammering. Don't divide your votes, go with 1 of the 2 candidates.

Still a bunch of lurkers, but we can deal with them once the tides have calmed down. Since we'll lose +3 people on odd nights (SK rampage) to the 2 mafia kills

[Helena]

And what do you idiots think that makes me? orange maf? We had 2 kills 1 of which was red maf, unless they got bussed back to equlibrium it's safe to assume the orange maf made this kill.
We'll get rid of both Faykan and Tylwyth, nobody ever suggested me being executioner so unless u got some solid reason to not lynch him first let's go with him.
If you convince yourselves that i'm afterall an executioner we can gladly get rid off Tylwyth first.
AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, JAILORS CAN JAIL DESPITE HAVING HAD A LYNCH. THEY CAN JUST NOT EXECUTE
There is no sensible argument as why to not lynch potential threats. I'll stay on Faykan unless Tylwyth needs hammering. Don't divide your votes, go with 1 of the 2 candidates.

Still a bunch of lurkers, but we can deal with them once the tides have calmed down. Since we'll lose +3 people on odd nights (SK rampage) to the 2 mafia kills

I didn't said you were scum. I was just following Kagin's logic. And I replied with '+1' to Kagin's post because I found it funny.
And no, I don't think you are executioner, but Tylwyth is worthy of being lynched first for appearing scummier.

And for Jailors, it's been like that for all the FMs.

[Helena]

Faykan:
1] Lurker
2] Claimed denizen
3] Was defended by Jessica (it would have meant more if Faykan had defended Jessica instead of the other way around)

Tylwyth:
1] Lurker
2] Admitted to posting a nonsense reason for voting Faykan, hoping it would be ignored
3] Plays the 'you have no evidence' card in his own defense, while he shows no evidence to vote Faykan either
4] Directs town investigative roles to people who are voting him
5] Reasons that the existence of a Framer is 'unlikely' while there is a confirmed framer in the setup

This is why Tylwyth is scummier.

[Duncan]

I also added that i find him quite possible to be a benign neutral that wants to die.
I do not think Tylwyth is the SK. I do however exclude Faykan from being it, so going by that logic, and since i'd rather not die than be killed by the SK, we could go with Tylwyth.
(I will proclaim this everyday i'm alive: I WILL die by the NEXT SK rampage.)
To sum up:
Faykan Mafia/Idiot
Tylwyth Scum/Benign/Denizen

Faykan appears to be more of a threat to me currently, given these assumptions.

[Duncan]

Also i'm almost sure that i will not be here when people are obviously gonna blurt out scumtells once we get to that point (in about 2-3 days or so)

[Kagin]

I am a rule breaker

[Helena]

I am quoted being a rule breaker.

rofl, if only there wasn't a rule of posting images and videos.

[Kagin]

A damn shame, well for those who is wondering:

[Vernius]

A damn shame, well for those who is wondering:


you should really read over the rules.



You cannot post images, videos or links in the Day/Night Chats. You may use them in last wills.

[Vernius]

gm, it's about midday and we have yet to be able to discern the meaning of 'she had it coming.' at this point it is relatively safe to say that the err is not on the side of the players.

[Mavis]

Well Hello, spliitting our votes like this isn't going to lead us nowhere, I suggest we lynch Tylwth so we have at least an idea of other players

[Kagin]

I don't know why you bother. The link isn't harming anyone, yet you scream for it to be removed. It's not like im posting nudes of teenagers

[Vernius]

I don't know why you bother. The link isn't harming anyone, yet you scream for it to be removed. It's not like im posting nudes of teenagers

im not bothering much by informing you of the rules that the gm put in place that, if you continue breaking them, will likely get you replaced. i dont personally mind the link. i also dont personally mind if you get replaced. i was merely trying to be helpful.

[Paulus]

Not to force a bad lynch or anything, but we have a problem.
Assuming Cult was successful both days
18 Town VS 12 Scum right now
Worst case: 5 Kills on town tonight and a successful conversion
That would make it 12 Town V 13 Scum
Assuming Cult was successful once
19 Town VS 11 Scum right now
Worst Case: 5 Kills on town tonight and a successful conversion
That would make it 13 Town V 12 Scum
Assuming the Cult sucks, and has no members
20 Town V 10 Scum right now
Worst Case: 5 kills on town tonight and a successful conversion
That would make it 14 Town V 11 Scum


This is not looking good.

[Paulus]

NOTE : I added all the Neuts into the scum tally.

[Vernius]

Not to force a bad lynch or anything, but we have a problem.
Assuming Cult was successful both days
18 Town VS 12 Scum right now
Worst case: 5 Kills on town tonight and a successful conversion
That would make it 12 Town V 13 Scum
Assuming Cult was successful once
19 Town VS 11 Scum right now
Worst Case: 5 Kills on town tonight and a successful conversion
That would make it 13 Town V 12 Scum
Assuming the Cult sucks, and has no members
20 Town V 10 Scum right now
Worst Case: 5 kills on town tonight and a successful conversion
That would make it 14 Town V 11 Scum


This is not looking good.

cult could be at 3 at this time. if that is the case, worst case is 6 kills.

[Duncan]

cult needs to be at 4 to make a kill, or am i wrong? So we lynch today or nthn happens.

[Duncan]

i'm pretty sure atlas does not count towards the 3 revolutionaries

[Anirul]

gm, it's about midday and we have yet to be able to discern the meaning of 'she had it coming.' at this point it is relatively safe to say that the err is not on the side of the players.

I was thinking the same thing.