I have ideas for new roles.

[TylerFromTexas]

PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING BEFORE COMMENTING!

I thought up a new role for Town, Mafia, and Neutral.

For Town: Surgeon General
Role - Apply surgery to a dead town to bring him/her back to life.
Abilities - This can only be used once.
You are only able to bring back the dead the night after that particular town died.
After one night has passed, you can no longer save that town.
You cannot use it on dead Mayor.
You cannot use it on a dead Bodyguard if he was killed in a shootout.
You cannot save a town that has been cleansed by the Janitor, unless Coroner recovers its role.
Everyone will be notified if you have successfully brought someone back from the dead.
Gravedigger will remain anonymous.

For Mafia: Gravedigger
Role - Hangout at a town's grave to prevent Coroner or Surgeon General to use their ability.
Abilities - You can only hangout at a town's grave on the night after his death.
You can only hangout at one town's grave.
You will be notified if Coroner or Surgeon General has attempted to use their ability on a dead town that you're visiting.
Coroner and Surgeon General will remain anonymous.
If no mafia killing roles, you will become mafioso.

For Neutral (still working on): Terrorist
Role - Blow up any killing role that visits you.
Abilities - This only works on any killing role, arsonist, and witch.
When a killing role, arsonist, and/or witch visits you, both you and that other role will die.
If the Jailor executes you, both you and the Jailor will die, and you win.
You cannot win if you get lynched.
Goal - Kill yourself and the killing role at night. And you do not care who wins.



There are somethings that needs to be fixed in order to work. For one thing, when a person gets killed at night, the person will not visit the dead chat until one night has passed. This is to avoid a dead member of the mafia exposing who the others are, suddenly coming back to life by the Surgeon General, then stating who the other mafia members are. Remember, the Surgeon General can only save a dead town one the night after only.

The other thing is that if the Coroner successfully reveals who the cleansed town, mafia, or a neutral role is, everyone will know that person's role and last will. If it turns out that the person who was cleansed by Janitor was a town, then the Surgeon General has the option to save him the next night.



So what do you guys think?

[Damus_Graves]

Surgeon General
Role - Apply surgery to a dead town to bring him/her back to life.
Abilities - This can only be used once.
You are only able to bring back the dead the night after that particular town died.
After one night has passed, you can no longer save that town.
You cannot use it on dead Mayor.
You cannot use it on a dead Bodyguard if he was killed in a shootout.
You cannot save a town that has been cleansed by the Janitor, unless Coroner recovers its role.
Everyone will be notified if you have successfully brought someone back from the dead.
Gravedigger will remain anonymous.


this wont work. death chat and all that. sry bro

[TylerFromTexas]

I said that in order to work, anyone that is killed cannot visit the dead chat for one night. Be sure to read what I have posted in full...

[Damus_Graves]

After one night has passed, you can no longer save that town.
when a person gets killed at night, the person will not visit the dead chat until one night has passed.
Be sure to read what I have posted in full...

Whoops. my mistake sry bro.

anyways:
I still dont think it would work though.
script limit.

[EliteMarine]

It's pretty much confirmed that anyone role involving the dead is a no go due to the possibility of gamethrowing. Anything with speaking to the dead, reviving the dead, or any kind of dead communicating with the living is most likely not going to happen.

So the surgeon general is basically out.

Also on that note I probably would rule out the gravedigger as the coroner itself isn't a commonly used role, so there really isn't much behind gravedigger.

As for the terroist, I can't say that I am a big fan. The role is pretty easy to win with. All you have to do is wait for a killing role to visit you. Town would never lynch you because the terrorist benefits them. I don't know why the witch is included as dying upon visit as it itself itself isn't a killing role. I don't think any role should have a goal that involves killing themselves as a winning condition.

[TylerFromTexas]

It's pretty much confirmed that anyone role involving the dead is a no go due to the possibility of gamethrowing. Anything with speaking to the dead, reviving the dead, or any kind of dead communicating with the living is most likely not going to happen.

So the surgeon general is basically out.

Also on that note I probably would rule out the gravedigger as the coroner itself isn't a commonly used role, so there really isn't much behind gravedigger.

As for the terroist, I can't say that I am a big fan. The role is pretty easy to win with. All you have to do is wait for a killing role to visit you. Town would never lynch you because the terrorist benefits them. I don't know why the witch is included as dying upon visit as it itself itself isn't a killing role. I don't think any role should have a goal that involves killing themselves as a winning condition.

Fair enough for Terrorist. I need to work on him a bit more.

As for everything else you mentioned, I want to stress once again that in order for this to work, anyone that is killed CANNOT see or talk in the dead chat until one full day as passed. If this is something that will not be changed in sc2mafia, then of course those two roles won't work.

[Damus_Graves]

i think he is saying that only role dealing with the revival of the dead is a strict no go.

[EliteMarine]

Fair enough for Terrorist. I need to work on him a bit more.

As for everything else you mentioned, I want to stress once again that in order for this to work, anyone that is killed CANNOT see or talk in the dead chat until one full day as passed. If this is something that will not be changed in sc2mafia, then of course those two roles won't work.

Trust me buddy, I hear you.

However, even after a day has passed, gamethrowers can still ruin the game. If I died for example, I can come back two days later and be like "Player X and Player Y is mafia!" and completely ruin the experience left for the other players. I can come back five days later and do the exact same thing.

I am not sure how familiar you are with many of the people who play this game, but given the opprotunity, they will throw a game so quick, in due time YOU will want this ability gone. :)

[Damus_Graves]

Elite. he is saying that any role that has expired (been dead) for two + days cant be revived.
roles that have just died (dead one night) can be but cant see dead chat

[EliteMarine]

No, not just reviving the dead, anything involving any kind if mixing communications with the dead and the living.

Last will should be the last thing a player communicates after death. Anything else with the living wether it is speaking in dead chat to the living or bring a dead player back from the dead to life will create more gamethrowers.

Anything that involves the dead is a no go in my opinion. Once dead, you no longer can affect the living or the game itself in no way shape or form.

[Damus_Graves]

No, not just reviving the dead, anything involving any kind if mixing communications with the dead and the living.

Last will should be the last thing a player communicates after death. Anything else with the living wether it is speaking in dead chat to the living or bring a dead player back from the dead to life will create more gamethrowers.

Anything that involves the dead is a no go in my opinion. Once dead, you no longer can affect the living or the game itself in no way shape or form.

i agree with you 100% on this.

[EliteMarine]

Elite. he is saying that any role that has expired (been dead) for two + days cant be revived.
roles that have just died (dead one night) can be but cant see dead chat

Yes, but can't information still be released?

@TylerFromTexas: Sorry for misreading your post, but even if it is for that first night, that player can still give out gamebreaking information.

If I am a pissed off mafioso who gets lynched day two and is brought back by town same , I could just reveal who mafia are. Yes, this could be done by last will, but still. Even if you can't see dead chat, you gave provide personal information.

If I am sheriff and I know who mafia is and I am blackmailed, but then killed next day by mafia, I could be revived and out the mafia. Assuming you didn't setup your last will properly.

I don't know, let someone else share their thoughts. I am not a judge here. :cheesy:

[Ash]

PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING BEFORE COMMENTING!

I thought up a new role for Town, Mafia, and Neutral.

For Town: Surgeon General
Role - Apply surgery to a dead town to bring him/her back to life.
Abilities - This can only be used once.
You are only able to bring back the dead the night after that particular town died.
After one night has passed, you can no longer save that town.
You cannot use it on dead Mayor.
You cannot use it on a dead Bodyguard if he was killed in a shootout.
You cannot save a town that has been cleansed by the Janitor, unless Coroner recovers its role.
Everyone will be notified if you have successfully brought someone back from the dead.
Gravedigger will remain anonymous.
If I had a penny for everytime I see this..

[EliteMarine]

If I had a penny for everytime I see this..

I know this one!

Ehhh...I am going to say .43 cents? Close? In the ballpark perhaps? :)

[FrostByte]

I know this one!

Ehhh...I am going to say .43 cents? Close? In the ballpark perhaps? :)
You're so lulzy I almost can't stand it.

[EliteMarine]

Yeah I probably undershot that one.

I only been here close to 3 months and off the top of my head I have seen at least 10/15 roles involving some kind of revivial. So I'll do some better math.

EM = 3 Months = Oh let's say seen 15 revival roles
Ash = 13 Months = So he may have seen close to 65 roles.

.65 cents?

@TylerFromTexas: The idea of having a possible revival role such as yours suggested being discussed, so lets wait and see what the outcome is.

[Ash]

Yeah I probably undershot that one.

I only been here close to 3 months and off the top of my head I have seen at least 10/15 roles involving some kind of revivial. So I'll do some better math.

EM = 3 Months = Oh let's say seen 15 revival roles
Ash = 13 Months = So he may have seen close to 65 roles.

.65 cents?
maybe, i dont even keep count. i dont even know why i read them sometimes

[TylerFromTexas]

Yes, but can't information still be released?

@TylerFromTexas: Sorry for misreading your post, but even if it is for that first night, that player can still give out gamebreaking information.

If I am a pissed off mafioso who gets lynched day two and is brought back by town same , I could just reveal who mafia are. Yes, this could be done by last will, but still. Even if you can't see dead chat, you gave provide personal information.


If I am sheriff and I know who mafia is and I am blackmailed, but then killed next day by mafia, I could be revived and out the mafia. Assuming you didn't setup your last will properly.



I don't know, let someone else share their thoughts. I am not a judge here. :cheesy:

1.You are forgetting the fact that Surgeon General cannot revive mafia or neutral roles. Only town roles.

2.That's the sheriff's job to out the mafia and the other bad guys. If he messes up on the last will and is revived by the Surgeon General, then it is true that he is given another chance. But, since he was killed earlier, he is in fact dead, and cannot check anyone at night until he comes back to life. So, there is no way he can gather new information while he's dead.

3.So far it looks like this kind of thing has been proposed before, without maybe the part where the dead cannot talk to each other for one full day...

[EliteMarine]

Yes. Roles that have been involving reviving of dead players or chatting with dead players tend to get shut down. However, Lazers has brought up a unique idea that is being proposed.

[LeaD]

All 3 of these suck, no need to discuss anything here

[TylerFromTexas]

All 3 of these suck, no need to discuss anything here

Then why did you post on this thread?

[Chane]

in general you should avoid roles that bring back the dead.

[FrostByte]

So the surgeon general is basically out.


I saw a good recommendation for a -depart command.
I think it's feasible we just need to figure out how to implement it. Don't just say something is "out" because YOU think it's impossible. You're not God.

Plus if, eventually, the metagame makes a shift toward coroner usefulness (as it very well could with as many new roles as we will get over time) the gravedigger could end up being useful.


On the other hand, I think the FM version of Gravedigger could be awesome. You basically visit dead people and you're able to steal 1 use of their power & you're mafia aligned.

[FrostByte]

All 3 of these suck, no need to discuss anything here
I think you suck and you should stop posting if you're just gonna be a jerk like that.
If there was no need to discuss anything, then why did you post at all?

GG

[Damus_Graves]

Point to Frost
Next Match: Begin

[LeaD]

I think you suck and you should stop posting if you're just gonna be a jerk like that.
If there was no need to discuss anything, then why did you post at all?

GG

have you actually read these roles? I have. I also voiced my opinion, and i don't have to take all of these apart bit by bit. I suggested plenty of useful things in other threads; here it would just be a waste of my time.
I also dislike to explain high school calculus to people who believe statistics are some sort of religion..

[TylerFromTexas]

have you actually read these roles? I have. I also voiced my opinion, and i don't have to take all of these apart bit by bit. I suggested plenty of useful things in other threads; here it would just be a waste of my time.
I also dislike to explain high school calculus to people who believe statistics are some sort of religion..

The fact that you came in here and said "they suck" is fine, but adding that there is "nothing to discuss" was a pointless response. Its like driving to Dunkin Doughnuts just to let them know you don't want anything. It's a waste of effort, and a waste of time.

[Raptorblaze]

The fact that you came in here and said "they suck" is fine, but adding that there is "nothing to discuss" was a pointless response. Its like driving to Dunkin Doughnuts just to let them know you don't want anything. It's a waste of effort, and a waste of time.

Until or unless Lazers' solution to the problem is accepted and implemented no roles which allow players to return from the graveyard will be added. The death chat is intended to be an out-of-game observer chat, and parties are supposed to feel free to exchange info there.

[LeaD]

let's cut this short
- anything bringing back - talking to the dead - NO
- role that counters only a SINGLE role, which is otherwise totally useless (2, if you ever got the first role implemented, which won't, still fkin useless) - NO
- killing role visits you and you win? srsly? go afk and get killed, win without doing anything - NO