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Forum Mafia GM
July 22nd, 2012, 06:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yh9RywD_Fw

Jenkins swiped a ghoul across the face with the butt of his rifle as Criid stabbed another through the next. Carlson and his squad were running out of ammunition and resolve. Wash lay on the floor, bleeding out from a bite wound he'd sustained to the neck. Jayne and Reynolds had disappeared under a mound of ghouls. Carlson shot a ghoul through the face with his service pistol, before decapitating another with a backhand swing from his machete.

Before his very eyes, turrets dropped down from hidden hatches in the ceiling. Their motors whirred as their camera lenses adjusted to the darkness of the room. From the doorway to the next room, Carlson heard the sound of power cables humming into life and the soft *swish* of pneumatic clamps unsealing. Robots swarmed into the room, and Carlson recognized them to be of the 'Mister Gutsy' variant; flames shot out of the robots' appendages, bathing the feral ghouls in flame. The turrets began unleashing their deadly salvo into the throng. Ghoul flesh rained in the air.

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Stonny watched in dismay as turret fire ripped into the Brotherhood of Steel troops. The heavy calibre rounds tore through the power armour as if it was tissue paper.

Defender Stonny took seven rounds through her torso before she finally succumbed to the onslaught. Her body fell onto the metal grille of the floor as the corridor became silent.

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Roxy looked into the eyes of the man that had programmed the targeting data.

"What settings did you put in... Klaus?"

Klaus grinned.

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Jenkins exploded as the turret closest to him roared. Criid lost both of her legs to the explosive ammunition before a final round blew out her brains. Carlson fired from the hip and took out the turret overhead. He turned his aim towards the nearest Mister Gutsy but the gun had run dry. In a last, desperate attack, Carlson held his blade above his head and leaped at the machine.

The flames incinerated him before he hit the ground.

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Roxy heard cannon fire outside of the booth in the main office, before everything went quiet. Someone then knocked on the security door to the booth.

The hatch slid open to reveal three figures standing outside. They were all laughing.

It was Wicket, Han and Law.

Law pointed a pistol at Roxy as Klaus began searching the booth.

"Hey, boss, do I waste her or what?"

Law blacked out as Wicket's fist connected with his jaw. He collapsed onto the floor.

"Roxy walks out of here alive."

Klaus raised an eyebrow as Han fidgeted nervously in the corner, before returning to his search.

"Okay, big man, take her. I assume our business is concluded?"

Wicket nodded, before spitting on the sprawled body of Law. He reached his hand out to Roxy. Stunned, and at a loss for anything else to do, Roxy took it and stepped outside the booth with Wicket. Out of the window the installation defences all powered down and Enclave vertibirds swooped into the courtyard.

"Aha!"

Klaus emerged from underneath the console with a metal case in his hands. Four letters were printed on the side. Han was curious.

"Er... what's G.E.C.K. stand for?"

"Never you mind."

Enclave troopers filed into the main office. One of them took the metal case from Klaus before shooting a threatening look at Han.

"Leave him be, soldier. Leave this place, Han. Go find something to do in the wastes - I never want to see you again."

Han took off in a hurry, and Klaus took one last look around the booth. It had been nine long years of suffering, but it might be worth it in the end. The prize would land him in good stead with his peers, and the wasteland was full of opportunities for a man that had been stuck underground for so long.

Today, Klaus thought, had been a good day.

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Roxy continued trudging along, happy to be alive but scarred by the violence of the last few days. Wicket was in step beside her.

"Why did you save me? Who are you, and why did they let you go?"

Wicket considered the questions.

"I'm a nobody, Roxy. You can just call me Pete - that was my original birth name, long ago."

"Oh, okay... well then, Pete, where are we going?"

"There used to be an old cabin over by the lake. This area wasn't really affected by a bomb blast, maybe it's still there and can offer us shelter for the night?"

He flashed a grin.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-q9iR80YU0

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Congratulations to the Enclave (Klaus, Gaunt, Law, Roger, Beru, Nina), Devourer (Wicket), Witch (Han), Corrupt Journalist (Francine) and Arms Dealer (Larkin) for winning Forum Mafia XIII!



Well done everyone, the game is finally over. It lasted longer than was predicted, but somehow the action managed to be exciting right until the very end. I hope everyone had fun, even those who died early on. The game was a bit of a monster and I'm just relieved that activity levels were high and that most people were enjoying themselves regardless of their role or success. My aim was for everyone to feel involved and important, and there really were many situations where every single player was vital. I'll be including some more thoughts on the setup and the game below, but for now I want to congratulate our winners and move on to some of the interesting stuff.

This is also my special Thank You tribute to Yayap. He volunteered to help me out on the technical side of things, and before the game started he set up all the various chats (FMXIII had a particularly unique set of constrictions placed on us, which Yayap dealt with in a sterling fashion). I was then able to bounce ideas off of him, and he inspired me to take a few risks which really paid off. Throughout the game he then let me do the boring host stuff while he took great pleasure in tormenting all of you with music and cryptic remarks - I was very grateful to have his sense of humour and advice available to me. I always gave him credit whenever someone spoke to me, but I want to make this tribute public. GG Yayap, you incredibly trolly co-host, for making this enterprise even more fun :D


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Role / Player list:

The Enclave:

Framer - McPwnage - Gaunt
Drug Dealer - Capitalier - Beru
Janitor - philie - Nina
Disguiser - Auckmid - Roger
Actress - Dont Shoot Me - Law
Ventriloquist - Escaho - Klaus / Rodgers / Paul

The Brotherhood of Steel:

Ventriloquist - Borkbot - Bragg / Ben / Lei
Actress - Phyr - Lando
Consort - Menautor - King
Fabricator - Raptorblaze - Stan
Grave Robber - Kromos - Tarkin (REPLACED BY: Glip)
Kidnapper - Shaded - Vick

The Wastelanders:

Amnesiac/Bus Driver - Tasogare_Akira - Manning
Student/Medical Student - Crimson - Jabba
Student/Sane Sheriff - straykiwi - Biggs

The Evil Wastelanders:

Arms Dealer - Duzero - Larkin
Corrupt Journalist - Fragos - Francine
Witch - Ubernox - Han

The Wasteland Wanderer:

Devourer (The Lakeside Butcher) - CmG - Wicket

The New California Republic:

Paranoid Sheriff - JSaint - Romo
Insane Sheriff - SirBlayzalot - Brostin
Naive Sheriff - ajkei - Tebow
Naive Sheriff - Bahkieh - Fluttershy
Sane Sheriff - Sumikoko - Vader
Detective - Grimrailer - Ackbar
Detective - creedkingsx - Rachel
Lookout - Goremancer - Ross
Bus Driver - Deathfire123 - Yoshimitsu
Enchantress - Zack - Eddy
Mortician - TimeTrx - Brees
Armoursmith - Bluejay - Rawne
Hitman - Zane - Yoda
Escort - Duffmana - Boba
Bodyguard - Ash - Phoebe
Medical Student - Frostbyte - Mkoll
Saboteur - TheWaaagh - Chewbacca
Coroner - Jr4life24 - Monica
Journalist - clementine - Leia
Alien-Citizen - J - Luke (REPLACED BY: BurntEskimo)
Citizen - Bruno - Hayley
Citizen - Brendan - Steve
Citizen - Clock - Greedo
Citizen - RaikouRider - Chandler
Citizen - The Nightbringer - Owen
Citizen - suicidaln00b - Brady
Citizen - Blazer - Wedge
Citizen - Gingerape - Heihachi
Citizen - Guardian - Jin

Aliens:

Alien/Host - Luna - Applejack
Alien - Minecraft - Corbec
Alien - Nick/Rocshi/MagmaRam/Ganondorf/Vornksr/Yayap/Luna- Dorden
Alien/Co-Host - Yayap - Gunther
Alien/Citizen - BurntEskimo - Hwoarang (replaced with the other Aliens when he was Luke)
Alien - Nick/Rocshi/MagmaRam/Ganondorf/Vornksr/Yayap/Luna - Newton
Alien - Archangel - Stafford
Alien - Nick/Rocshi/MagmaRam/Ganondorf/Vornksr/Yayap/Luna - Palpatine



Vault Distribution:

Vault 5: Gambling Vault

Detective - Grimrailer - Ackbar
Citizen - suicidaln00b - Brady
Corrupt Journalist - Fragos - Francine
Framer - McPwnage - Gaunt
Citizen - Bruno - Hayley
Actress - Dont Shoot Me - Law
Citizen - Brendan - Steve
Bus Driver - Deathfire123 - Yoshimitsu

Vault 9: Armoury Vault

Naive Sheriff - Bahkieh - Fluttershy
Witch - Ubernox - Han
Citizen - Gingerape - Heihachi
Actress - Phyr - Lando
Disguiser - Auckmid - Roger
Paranoid Sheriff - JSaint - Romo
Sane Sheriff - Sumikoko - Vader

Vault 21: Cannibal Vault

Mortician - TimeTrx - Brees
Enchantress - Zack - Eddy
Alien-Citizen - J - Luke (REPLACED BY: BURNTESKIMO)
Amnesiac - Tasogare_Akira - Manning
Armoursmith - Bluejay - Rawne
Citizen - The Nightbringer - Owen
Grave Robber - Kromos - Tarkin (REPLACED BY: Glip)
Kidnapper - Shaded - Vick
Citizen - Blazer - Wedge

Vault 37: Maintenance Vault

Drug Dealer - Capitalier - Beru
Escort - Duffmana - Boba
Insane Sheriff - SirBlayzalot - Brostin
Citizen - RaikouRider - Chandler
Student - Crimson - Jabba
Citizen - Guardian - Jin
Janitor - philie - Nina
Lookout - Goremancer - Ross
Hitman - Zane - Yoda

Vault 66: Devourer/Puppet Vault

Student - straykiwi - Biggs
Ventriloquist - Borkbot - Bragg / Ben / Lei
Ventriloquist - Escaho - Klaus / Rodgers / Paul
Bodyguard - Ash - Phoebe
Detective - creedkingsx - Rachel
Devourer - CmG - Wicket

Vault 103: Drug Vault

Saboteur - TheWaaagh - Chewbacca
Citizen - Clock - Greedo
Consort - Menautor - King
Arms Dealer - Duzero - Larkin
Journalist - clementine - Leia
Medical Student - Frostbyte - Mkoll
Coroner - Jr4life24 - Monica
Fabricator - Raptorblaze - Stan
Naive Sheriff - ajkei - Tebow

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Graveyard:

Hayley (Citizen): Shot herself during a game of Russian Roulette. [Night 1]
Heihachi (Citizen): Killed by a Mysterious Stranger. [Night 1]
Eddy (Enchantress): Killed by Strike Force members in the vault. [Night 1]
Chandler (Citizen): Murdered by traitorous Strike Force members in the vault. [Night 1]
Rachel (Detective): Executed via decapitation. [Night 1]
Chewbacca (Saboteur): Killed at night by Strike Force member. [Night 1]
Stan (Fabricator): Lynched by insane vault members, driven crazy by the sounds... [Day 2]
Steve (Citizen): Tried to be manly, but shot himself. [Night 2]
Owen (Citizen): Gunned down as he sniffed for clues, by Strike Force members. [Night 2]
Yoda (???): Went missing, he did. [Night 2]
Greedo (Citizen): Cut down in a frenzy by a traitorous Strike Force. [Night 2]
Ben (Puppet): Clubbed to death within the luxury of Vault 66. [Day 3]
King (Consort): Lynched by an angry mob. [Day 3]
Ackbar (Detective): Poisoned by a melon. [Night 3]
Brostin (Sheriff): Committed suicide like a demented fool, by running naked into a turret. [Day 4]
Larkin (Arms Dealer): Exiled into the valley to be killed by the base defence systems. [Day 4]
Bragg (Ventriloquist): Killed by a Mysterious Stranger... [Night 4]
Lei (Puppet): Committed suicide. [Night 4]
Yoshimitsu (???): Went missing, mysteriously, leaving no trace of his role. [Night 4]
Lando (Sheriff): Killed and maimed by multiple sources. [Night 4]
Phoebe (Bodyguard): Gunned down in a duel. [Night 4]
Fluttershy (Sheriff): Vaporised by a vertibird rotor. [Day 5]
Francine (Corrupt Journalist): Shot by Boone, the NCR Marksman overlooking the courtyard. [Day 5]
Boba (Escort): Found lying in the courtyard, having been attacked by multiple sources. [Night 5]
Biggs (???): Disappeared under mysterious circumstances. [Night 5]
Roger (???): Disappeared under circumstances which were just as mysterious. [Night 5]
Beru (Drug Dealer): Impaled through the chest by Ross. [Day 6]
Vick (Kidnapper): Crushed under debris after creating a breach in the base defences. [Day 6]
Brees (Mortician): Shot through the heart by Brotherhood Troopers during the breach. [Day 6]
Ross (Lookout): Killed during the breach through shrapnel wounds. [Day 6]
Romo (Sheriff): Gunned down mercilessly while charging a Brotherhood Kill Team. [Day 6]
Paul (Puppet): Riddled with bullets by a Strike Force member during the panicked retreat. [Night 6]
Wedge (Citizen): Murdered with a one-shot pistol in a bathroom stall. [Night 6]
Jin (Citizen): Killed in cold blood by Strike Force members as soldiers stormed the building. [Night 6]
Nina (Janitor): Had her brains blown out with a one-shot pistol in the back room. [Night 6]
Manning (Bus Driver): Had his organs ripped out and was crucified. Executed as kill teams infiltrated the building. [Night 6]
Monica (Disguiser): Hunted down in the Vault-Tec corridors and scalped. [Day 7]
Mkoll (Doctor): Executed when an NCR trooper triggered a trap which tore him apart and burnt him alive. [Night 7]
Brady (Citizen): Killed during the night by a Strike Force member. [Night 7]
Tarkin (Grave Robber): Shot through the head with a one-shot pistol. [Night 8]
Tebow (Sheriff): Murdered by Strike Force members during the confusion of the ghoul outbreak. [Night 8]
Gaunt (Framer): Had his head crushed by a Strike Force member during the night. [Night 8]
Jabba (Doctor): Executed by being hung from the rafters. [Night 8]
Vader (Sheriff): Executed in a grisly manner by the Lakeside Butcher. [Night 9]
Luke (Alien-Citizen): Shot by the Enclave as they took took the facility. [Night 9]

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Awards:

MVP - Wicket (CmG)

This was a very, very hard pick. I wish I could give out three or four MVP awards. I tried to take into account consistency and roles. He didn't have to lead the scumhunt, nor did he have the opportunity to pull of some crazy strategies with any teammates, but CmG played a good game. He was in a tough position - Vault 66 became exposed very early on and he couldn't really exploit his jail chats to the fullest. CmG shared a running commentary on the game with me, and he was pretty dialled in. He was forced into a rather defensive position and couldn't lead much discussion in day chat, but he avoided the radio interviews and the spotlight despite the pressure continually increasing. I wasn't expecting to give MVP to the Devourer at all - getting a code established with the mafia was nice, and pressure was evaded well, but there were two main actions which changed my mind. CmG was getting more and more active in day chat, and when he finally got revealed and hunted by multiple factions for the lynch, he managed to juke the hammer at a critical time with a silver tongue. He also trusted his own gut instincts when it came to the kills, and took out the gun-toting Vader on the final night which secured the scum win. I also think he deserves MVP simply because he managed to gobble up both Students, both of their Mentors, the Amnesiac and the player whose role the Amnesiac remembered.

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Evil Mastermind - Lando (Phyr)

Another German gets an award! I think Phyr deserves this recognition because he was really active and played a great game. He is a natural town player, and while he was a target of suspicion he knew that he could afford to be. It was a pleasure to have him in the game, and he wasn't afraid to put himself out there. No one's analysis was foolproof, but he was one of the lynch-pins in the Brotherhood of Steel strategy discussions and he even managed to snag himself a Veteran's Assault Rifle from Vault 9! He played the role of the Actress rather well, and even though he was helped out by the role's abilities and circumstances (getting shot by the Enclave on the night he gets killed in a duel, luckily getting the death descriptions covered up!) he managed to stay hidden until the very end. I'd have liked to see a more aggressive use of his strategy - he did not manage to really counter-claim any important roles or cause any direct distractions - but he was convincing enough to really screw over the Enclave in the late game!

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Citizen Incarnate - Luke (BurntEskimo III)

It is with great pleasure that I give this award to BurntEskimo! He was originally excluded from the game, before FMXIII I did not have a good impression of BurntEskimo and I really didn't want him in the game. When engaged in *ahem* the 'distraction' game he was involved in, however, he gradually dropped his trollish facade and began to get into it. Yayap and I moved him to the top of the reserve list, and he hopped into Luke. He did a really great job. He was not a town leader or anything, but he was really active and involved. He contributed to discussions, and pulled off a couple of really nice plays which showed off some neat skills; he managed to avoid claiming when at L-2, and when he realized that the Brotherhood of Steel needed to be protected he managed to convince everyone that he was a mafia member. Citizens usually try to take bullets for town PRs, not mafia members! Hopefully BurntEskimo won't be shamed now that he has been revealed, and I hope he signs up for more FMs and plays like this :)

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Most Honourable Mention - Klaus (Escaho)

Klaus was one of the frontrunners for MVP, and I had to give Escaho the recognition he deserves. He had three accounts to manage, and he played a really good game. He was quite active in day chat, and even had a Sane Sheriff claim going for some time. Escaho also provided a solid voice in the night chat. After Day 7 I also appreciated his attempts to salvage the train-wreck of a situation which had developed, and Escaho never stopped fighting on behalf of the Devourer.

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Inquisitor - Leia (clementine)

I knew that clementine would make a good journalist. It's one of my most favourite roles. She wins this award for her leadership skills and activity; she never stopped her questioning, and was always a a threat to the scum! Unfortunately she was incorrect on quite a few assumptions and was led on a wild goose chase for half of the game, but she never gave up. I just feel sorry for poor old Larkin, who got lynched on very shaky grounds, but while clementine may have stumbled here and there she always found a scum of some kind.

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The Fixer - Roger/Monica (Auckmid)

Auckmid did really well in this game. He managed to snag the Vigilante gun in Vault 9, as well as the Gunsmith tools (okay so he got the Gunsmith tools because he was the ONLY person that voted, but he got them nonetheless). Auckmid provided his team with enough firepower to just about eek out the win, and should have listened to his instincts when he was asked to jump into Monica.

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Guardian Angel - Rawne (Bluejay)

This award is issued in recognition of the crucial saves made by Rawne's armour! Okay so the timing of the player it was issued to is important, but Bluejay managed to keep the armour flowing in the right direction, and even saved himself at one point. He may have been suspicious to most, but he had some of the most efficient night actions in the game. Well done!

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Best Avatar - Han (Ubernox)

I didn't want to give this award to Ubernox. There were plenty of awesome avatars kicking about, and I liked some of the creative/serious ones. Ubernox showed me the picture that he'd cropped the image from, however, and it's hilarious - every time I see his avatar I chuckle, and it perfectly encapsulates the derpiness of his night actions in this game.

Player's Choice Award - ???

PM me with your vote for the Player's Choice Award! This is the award given out by you, the players. Some reasoning behind your choices would be nice. Maybe you liked someone's line of questioning, or a gambit they made. Maybe you thought they'd been overlooked in another category, or maybe you just enjoyed playing with them.


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Final thoughts:

Thanks for sticking with it guys. We had a few unfortunate drop-outs, but overall everyone should be proud of themselves - it's a mafia game, after all, the entertainment is made by the players and you certainly made it fun for me. I received lots of lovely feedback, and I'm grateful that people were patient with me. I was rather ambitious and, even with Yayap's aid, I could not make things go 100% smoothly.

Setup thoughts:

I knew going into this game that balance would be a nightmare. It's impossible to balance a standard game of mafia, after all. Deception, lies and skill are important but there's also that degree of luck. A Veteran might randomly kill off ten people on night one, the investigative roles might never find scum, there's so many variables involved. I knew that I couldn't predict what would happen, but I tried to create some semblance of balance. KPN was restricted in some vaults, for example, because I didn't want over half of the players in the game getting shot/lynched before they even left the vaults.

Oh yeah, there was also going to be a Cult Leader in this game originally. He was going to be introduced when the vaults emptied - a random non-mafia player was going to be assigned as Cult Leader, and two Citizens would be randomly chosen as Masons. This was to combat the nature of the vault system; narrowing down the scum after the vault stage would be stupidly easy, so I wanted there to be that element of doubt when a 'confirmed' town PR from the vaults spoke up. This was obviously later changed, and instead I increased the number of mafia players on each team as well as making the roles lists more confusing with hidden roles.

As for the vaults themselves, well, they grew organically. I created a huge list of vault ideas, and there were some REALLY crazy ones in there. I began pruning, though some crazy ones were still being considered (a Tranquility Lane-inspired vault was in the works at one point...). I knew that I was being ambitious with FMXIII though, so I was very conservative with my final selection. I only picked the most basic ideas, which added cosmetic or minor changes to the game - I thought that the vault system would be fine enough. Fortunately Yayap kept badgering me to take a couple of risks, and they really paid off. I'm still glad I took the conservative approach to the whole vault system though, since even the tiniest changes to mechanics could provide significant changes to strategy.

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Vault 5 - My favourite idea for a vault, simply because I love gambling. At first I thought it was a rather simple change to the normal lynch mechanic, but there were some interesting possibilities. The players could speak to each other during their roulette game, privately, and there was the potential for some information sharing/deception going on. Scum teammates/etc. could also collaborate in this chat and decide who would sacrifice themselves, or a Citizen could take a bullet for a Town PR claim they believed. I also restricted night kills

How it went: Well, it was an interesting vault. It had a higher ratio of citizens to PRs than other vaults (for some possible shenanigans in the roulette game). Ackbar didn't submit any actions, and Yoshimitsu/Francine didn't want to reveal their roles, so the day chat was rather interesting. Two people HAD to play roulette, after all, so the players couldn't afford to wait around for investigative roles to reveal. Obviously I can be criticized for introducing the element of luck into the game, and there were rumblings that the NCR was 'unlucky' in Vault 5, but neither Enclave member ever made it to a roulette game :S

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Vault 9 - Originally, a one-shot pistol was given out each day via lynch which had to be shot at night. It was essentially a very simple 'reverse' lynch (instead of voting for the most suspicious player, you vote for the most reliable). I even considered making this a vault of town roles, maybe even with a roles list which showed they were all town, and letting the 'Saw' type social experiment play out (would you like to play a game?). This idea grew into the rewards system. I also made this the 'Cop Insanity' vault - lots of Sheriffs, who would desperately be working together to find out what alignment they were! In retrospect I could have included a couple of Sheriffs in the vault roles list :P

How it went: This was an interesting vault. Lots of long posts, with an intriguing back and forth as the scum subtly vied for the guns without knowing it. This vault was let down by a couple of players that didn't really participate, but the actions taken in this vault had an impact on the whole game. If only Fluttershy had been given the Veteran's AR! ^^

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Vault 21 - I liked this vault design. It was simple, but had some interesting dilemmas involved. Lynching someone obviously creates that hidden role in the player list, but sometimes you have to take that risk.

How it went: Well, it seemed the Enchantress lured the killer on night one (who was targeting her anyway) and THIS WAS PRETTY MUCH OVERLOOKED! It was really amusing to see Owen lead the town down a path of self-destruction.

Vault 37 - This was another simple vault that followed on the 'Well it's basically a normal game with one tiny twist' guideline. The roleblock/jail technician position provided discussion topics for the day chat, and could be utilized for a variety of strategies, while the core gameplay remained intact.

How it went: I think the NCR really dropped the ball in this vault. There was no semblance of structure to the day chat, and a real lack of scumhunting or pressure. No lynches were even attempted. There was also a lacklustre response to the secret ballots, which had some interesting repercussions for the late game (Boba got very sidetracked when he assumed certain things about the technician votes).

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Vault 66 - Also known as the 'Vault of Wasted Potential'. I was thinking of ways to have the mafia and the neutral killer in a vault together without having the KPN sky-rocket. I also liked the idea of a bunch of puppets all in a vault, talking with each other. In fact, my initial idea was to ONLY have the ventriloquists and puppets in a vault together. This was the vault where the scum had a chance to reach the surface telling their own story. This was also a vault which didn't require special mechanics to create the tension, simply a custom roles list.

How it went: There was a supreme lack of confidence and creativity in this vault (sorry guys but you have to admit, it was not a riveting first couple of days :P). Both the Enclave and the Brotherhood of Steel immediately suspected that the other Ventriloquist was in the vault with them. After night one, everyone was also convinced that the Devourer was in the vault with them. Neither mafia team even considered the idea of an alliance until it was way too late. Everyone was so busy playing the 'passive lurking scum' strategy that they didn't grasp the opportunities in front of them. I think everyone would play that vault differently if we did this again, though the Enclave and Devourer did try to draw out the Brotherhood's ventriloquist (however subtly). What's also interesting is that it wasn't the lone NCR player that exposed the vault, but the Brotherhood ventriloquist! Biggs also claimed that he 'wanted to take a scum mentor' yet didn't choose anyone in his vault hehe.

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Vault 103 - This was a weird vault. It went through many different iterations; there was talk of clones named Gary, hallucinations, even a situation where the vault went psycho and on the last night everyone was forced to pick someone to attack. In the end we plumped for the 'extra fake feedback message' mechanic. I wasn't going to make this a hidden mechanic, but once again Yayap convinced me to take a risk. We also introduced the 'aural torture' idea. The notion was that the annoying sounds had subliminal messages in them - it also masked the fact that there was a hidden mechanic in the vault, people might get suspicious otherwise.

How it went: This was hilarious. Leia created a huge plan for the town which relied completely on feedback messages. This was a genuine co-incidence, and Yayap and I laughed and laughed. Greedo made a very unusual and reckless play in this vault. As a Citizen, he claimed Detective and said he followed Stan to the kill target. Not a weird gambit in itself. What made it weird was that Greedo was under the illusion that he had been lured by an Enchantress. This turns a cute little gambit into something very risky, since if an Enchantress was actually present they would probably have revealed this lie and turned the lynch round on Greedo.


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So one last thanks to all, hope you enjoyed it, bring on more games!

P.S. The Alien Mothership was a randomly improvised theme, created on the spot to justify a separate 'game' where potential troublemakers (Archangel/GriM-DeMoN) could be placed so the beginning of the game was not marred by any childish 'I didn't get into FM' rant threads. BurntEskimo was initially placed in there but he deserved a spot in the main game. Most of the accounts are controlled by the co-hosts and the observers.


P.P.S. There were accusations made by a certain person on these forums that I 'stole' this idea. These rumours are unfounded and preposterous, and this individual preferred to slander me behind my back and post his quarrel in public rather than actually talk to me at any stage. For the record I not only had this idea many, many, many months ago (in fact the campaign of disinformation Yayap and I embarked on to throw people off the trail was carried out because I'd spoken about this idea some time ago and I wanted it to be a surprise), but I also never had the arrogance to think it was an original idea anyway. Mafia has been around for a long time - in fact, a couple of weeks before the game started, I was speaking to oops_ur_dead and he showed me the link to a similar idea (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tri-Cities_Mafia). I didn't feel the need to start any drama by responding to these accusations when they happened, however, because that person was currently playing in my game (signing up with a smurf after publicly criticizing my game, of course). For some reason, despite never telling me his idea, he was convinced I'd stolen his setup plan and therefore assumed the game was laid out the same as his; which turned out to be wrong, and he royally shot himself in the foot.

Forum Mafia GM
July 22nd, 2012, 07:15 PM
If anyone can't see the vault chats/etc. now then please tell me.

Also PM me if you can't post in this thread.

Brendan 2.0
July 22nd, 2012, 07:18 PM
GG Luna, everyone in my vault was an asshole. -_-

Forum Mafia GM
July 22nd, 2012, 07:29 PM
GG Luna, everyone in my vault was an asshole. -_-

Says the guy who was about to rage suicide on night 0 because he got Citizen?

Yayap
July 22nd, 2012, 07:46 PM
If Luke would have been jailed/devouved = Vader could have shot someone and town may have won. (Luke would have gotten MVP if that happened imo)

I really didn't know who would win right till I saw Vader in the jail.


Also, big props to Luke for not spoiling the Aliens. He knew about the whole thing...

Auckmid
July 22nd, 2012, 07:55 PM
Oh baby! I get a signature this time:)

Good game everyone. Imo, this was the funnest FM to play as the vault mechanics added a lot of skill and fun to the FM while keeping the game easy to keep up with. I guessed Gaunt was Mcpwnage N1, but I didn't know who any of my other teamates were.

McJesus
July 22nd, 2012, 07:56 PM
GG Luna, everyone in my vault was an asshole. -_-

U mad bro?

Sumikoko
July 22nd, 2012, 08:00 PM
If Luke would have been jailed/devouved = Vader could have shot someone and town may have won. (Luke would have gotten MVP if that happened imo)

I really didn't know who would win right till I saw Vader in the jail.

So surprised Wicket saw through the whole thing and jailed me that last day. Despite Han saying he gave it to Luke. Despite Luke even confirming he got it. I even tried warding him off by saying I used the Veteran Rifle the night before, but no dice.

CmG, why you so clairvoyant. :push:

Yayap
July 22nd, 2012, 08:02 PM
I say Jabba (Crimson) gets an honorable mention for most entertaining to the GMs for his jail chat.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/10093-Night-8-Jabba

Auckmid
July 22nd, 2012, 08:09 PM
Wait, so the only reason that I got the gunsmith tools was because I voted for myself while nobody else voted at all? Wow, this game could have ended very differently if Vader was the only town in our vault who didn't completely lurk.

CmG
July 22nd, 2012, 08:11 PM
So surprised Wicket saw through the whole thing and jailed me that last day. Despite Han saying he gave it to Luke. Despite Luke even confirming he got it. I even tried warding him off by saying I used the Veteran Rifle the night before, but no dice.

CmG, why you so clairvoyant. :push:

WallhaxX ofc!

Thanks for the game Luna. I never had imagined to see the end alive or even to win this. OR getting MVP for it lulz. One crazy game, but fun nonetheless!

PS: Rachel tasted like rotten pork :P

Ash
July 22nd, 2012, 08:15 PM
GG, I never believed V66 would've been full of scum. Dat tricky host.

Lando
July 22nd, 2012, 08:16 PM
What was the prize for the Melon Roulette?

And it doesn't feel like I just lost the game. :D

Sumikoko
July 22nd, 2012, 08:18 PM
Wait, so the only reason that I got the gunsmith tools was because I voted for myself while nobody else voted at all? Wow, this game could have ended very differently if Vader was the only town in our vault who didn't completely lurk.

I was really sadpandaface when I found out around Day 6 or so that I had practically talked to scum the entire time in the vault. :(

Lando
July 22nd, 2012, 08:23 PM
I was really sadpandaface when I found out around Day 6 or so that I had practically talked to scum the entire time in the vault. :(
But wasn't it fun to talk to us? I'm sure we were more entertaining than Fluttershy and Romo.

Deathfire123
July 22nd, 2012, 08:34 PM
How it went: Well, it was an interesting vault. It had a higher ratio of citizens to PRs than other vaults (for some possible shenanigans in the roulette game). Ackbar didn't submit any actions, and Yoshimitsu/Francine didn't want to reveal their roles, so the day chat was rather interesting. Two people HAD to play roulette, after all, so the players couldn't afford to wait around for investigative roles to reveal. Obviously I can be criticized for introducing the element of luck into the game, and there were rumblings that the NCR was 'unlucky' in Vault 5, but neither Enclave member ever made it to a roulette game :S


Nice Try, the four people actually voted up were mostly trolls, Brendan, Bruno, suicidaln00b, and Fragos (not a troll). The Enclave members (Mainly Law) in the vault were easy to find by how the secret ballot went, too bad no one listened to me.

Monica
July 22nd, 2012, 09:02 PM
So, where's the list for who hosting the next FM's?

Law
July 22nd, 2012, 09:03 PM
Well, that was fun. Congrats on hosting an epic game Luna. I was scared about a few things heading in to that final night but everything worked out better than I expected. Reading over dead chat is making me laugh though. Apparently not a single person (alive nor dead) knew what I was doing Day 7.



Nice Try, the four people actually voted up were mostly trolls, Brendan, Bruno, suicidaln00b, and Fragos (not a troll). The Enclave members (Mainly Law) in the vault were easy to find by how the secret ballot went, too bad no one listened to me.

You were incorrect in those assumptions though.

Law
July 22nd, 2012, 09:28 PM
I forgot to mention....

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/039/080/5008_9c00_420.gif?1318992465

philie
July 22nd, 2012, 09:33 PM
I forgot to mention....

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/039/080/5008_9c00_420.gif?1318992465

why u fat

Duffmana
July 22nd, 2012, 10:24 PM
why u fat

why u bad at hiding fact you were scum? =)

Escaho
July 22nd, 2012, 10:33 PM
Phew, a win! Congrats to my teammates. I may not have approved of all of your decisions, but we pulled it together towards the end.

Now for comments:


Best Host(s): Luna (& Yayap!)

Seriously Luna, the amount of time you put into the game was very apparent and I commend all that effort. You were always around to answer questions, the day thread was always locked on time and opened within 30 minutes of day start, even with us Enclave derping around with our night actions until the eleventh hour. Thank you for your time and hosting :D.

You too, Yayap, even if you did troll us with awful music for most of the game...



Enclave Comments:

There are several things I would like to cover here. First and foremost being:

The Day 7 revelations. Now, a lot of people "turned" on the Enclave and did not want them to win because of Law and, subsequently, my reveal during this day. I can't speak for Law (and, in fact, showed my anger towards the move in our night chat the following day because that was not planned), but it did end up working well for us.

People (even some in dead chat) somehow expected us to remain quiet and hide during day chat, when it became quite apparent who was scum and who was not. The night before, I had construed a plan with Paul to reveal himself and try and rally scum together to lynch a town. However, when he died, I realized that certain players (namely Leia and Vader) would quickly realize that my entire vault was scum. It was fairly obvious early on when all vaults merged that this was the case, but some players were not fully convinced of it due to the three remaining Hidden Anys in the vault. As soon as Paul died, I (Klaus/Rodgers and, by extension, Wicket) were all 100% confirmed scum. I revealed in order to open up day communication between the Enclave and the Witch, who we had not had contact with earlier.

Even Wicket seemed abhorred by our actions, even though I spent the whole game trying to save his ass!

The "insults" by Klaus towards Leia and Vader were an attempt to try and convince them that Klaus was the Puppet and Rodgers was the Ventriloquist. This is why Rodgers suddenly stopped talking so much, as using a puppet account as my main account seemed to cause confusion for several days until the final two-three, even though Rawne saw through this deception rather easily.

I should also add that my biggest LOL moment was Rodgers nearly being a confirmed Sane Sheriff, especially since we had no Consigliere on our team. It was pretty spectacular watching Mkoll implode in anger when Rodgers "forgot to read his role card."



The Witch:

Oh, the witch. Ubernox, you could not have been a bigger thorn in our side towards the end game. That gun to Vader, then lying about it, then shooting Leia (apparently) after I told you she had armour.../facepalm. We deliberated shooting you that final night, but decided that Luke needed to be killed to ensure that two townies would die to our possible one Enclave. Were you going for a solo win? You know better than to betray the Militia!!! :p



The Devourer:

Just letting you know I tried to cover your back the entire game (Definitely not surprised at your COM name =p). I should inform you that our goal was to ensure town deaths, which is why we started shooting the Citizens. Doing their job actually turned out to bite the town in the butt, considering we knew they would be unhealed town targets. Shooting and not killing Leia/Rawne on that particular night could in no way be predicted, considering we did not know there was an armoursmith in play (and assumed the Devour Leia wifom might keep her from being healed if everyone thought she was devoured).

Congratulations :blink1:.



Brotherhood of Steel:

Tough luck, guys. The killing of several of your members in vault 103 really did a number on your team. It was unfortunate that Vick went AFK and got free-lynched, however, but I guess both the Enclave an the town suffered from that as well. Lando, you did a superb job of covering up that last BoS kill. After Vader brought the Sheriff results to our attention, we were unsure if she was telling the truth, so we always planned as if there was one more BoS still alive (though, after Tarkin died, I was mostly convinced there was no more BoS in play, but had to assume there was so we would not be surprised).



The Town:

The Town played fairly well this game, particularly the end game. Rawne's armoursmith contributions were excellent and Leia's notes are a force to be reckoned with (that's right clem, we all knew your COM as soon as we read your posts, but you were the only confirmed town role for several days and couldn't afford to kill you off). Luke and Vader, both great play.

There was some derpiness though. Apart from Leia and Mkoll, there seemed to be a lack of scum hunting in certain vaults, particularly my own vault (66). I was surprised that, with a confirmed Devourer in Vault 66 and only 5-6 players still alive from that vault as of day 5, the town did not devote resources to eliminating the Devourer, which might have saved them in the end game.

Then again, lynching Monica when she was at L-1 could have also given the win. It's unfortunate that the most productive town members were screwed over by their numbers being reduced due to free-lynch.



MVP Vote: Vader (Sumiko)

That's right, Sumi! You had me the most confused the entire game. Some days I suspected you were town, other times BoS, other times Witch. Admittedly, I really did think you had the Assault Rifle (nice touch on that), but I figured you'd blown all your charges and knew you had nothing towards the end game. However, your constant presence in day chat and anonymity really befuddled The Enclave (and, by all rights, dead chat as well!). I was impressed.

Other candidates for me would be: Leia, Wicket, Luke, and Law, but two of them already received an award and I think Vader's play was better than the latter two candidates.

Deathfire123
July 22nd, 2012, 10:35 PM
Well, that was fun. Congrats on hosting an epic game Luna. I was scared about a few things heading in to that final night but everything worked out better than I expected. Reading over dead chat is making me laugh though. Apparently not a single person (alive nor dead) knew what I was doing Day 7.

You were trying to get scum to band together, then realized half way through that scum neither had the majority not did orange mafia want to work with you.

You failed at a plan, and everyone saw that, then you tried to cover it up calling it a "gambit" Everyone saw what you were doing.



You were incorrect in those assumptions though.

I said "I think everyone that survived in my vault besides me is scum" I was pretty much dead on, since 3/4 of your were scum and the 4th was suicidaln00b

Duffmana
July 22nd, 2012, 10:41 PM
GG Luna. Enjoyed my first FM experience and cannot wait to see you host again. Sign me up now! Had an absolute blast. Yourself and Yayap put on one heck of a good show!

""I don't really feel like playing the game because Boba is an idiot who got so very lucky/or cheated becaus ehis reasoning behind suspecting us makes 0 sense, but he keeps bringing it up and people keep sheeping." - Nina (Night 5 chat)

Really? I get lucky and scum find you and you consider just quitting over that? What a sour loser. While my investigation process was indeed flawed, I still found you and Beru in doing so. Glue was the creation of a failed experiment and yet it still works. Nothing to rage over/give up over.

Vey uncool behaviour.

Boba
July 22nd, 2012, 11:08 PM
As I talked about in the Graveyard chat, I did not like Law's grand reveal as I thought it was a extremely over zealous move and could easily have backfired. I hated his cocky attitude and.... well everything about him.

After reading Enclave Night Chats... I have to say that I completely flipped on Law. He was the perfect villain, and a calculating one at that. I would go as far to say that he was the Co-Leader of the Enclave and was a devious mastermind orchestrating night actions and how to act in day chat. You, good sir, played one heck of a game. GG Law, GG.

Wicket played very well as well.

I found myself laughing with Han more then any other player and that's not a bad thing. I just loved his posts and how he had everyone guessing what faction he would go with (including everyone in the graveyard.) While some in the grave screamed that he was game throwing and that this was a travesty, I just sat back and enjoyed every second of his gameplay.

As for my Player Choice Award (which I will PM my vote to FM Game Master when I post this) is going to what I consider to be the second Co-Host of the Enclave, Klaus. Do I ever have my fingers crossed that I get to be on the same team as Klaus in the future. You knew this game like the back of your hand good sir. Every edge, every inch you could get, you went after and exploited. Calculating, foresightful, reading the strategies that you and Law put together was something to read. I wish you guys had not revealed so soon and just held back one day. Obviously everyone by that time had a 95% who the Enclave members were, but the right at the final moment reveal would have been something to see.

Capitalier
July 22nd, 2012, 11:48 PM
MVP Vote: Vader (Sumiko)

That's right, Sumi! You had me the most confused the entire game. Some days I suspected you were town, other times BoS, other times Witch. Admittedly, I really did think you had the Assault Rifle (nice touch on that), but I figured you'd blown all your charges and knew you had nothing towards the end game. However, your constant presence in day chat and anonymity really befuddled The Enclave (and, by all rights, dead chat as well!). I was impressed.

Other candidates for me would be: Leia, Wicket, Luke, and Law, but two of them already received an award and I think Vader's play was better than the latter two candidates.

Sorry that I ended up trolling you guys about Sumi. The intention was to show that she was lying about the rifle. I ended up dying before I passed that tidbit along. :(

Fragos
July 22nd, 2012, 11:56 PM
Do you think that I did nothing significant? How well my role was played here?

Auckmid
July 23rd, 2012, 01:02 AM
Also, why was "J" allowed to play? He always ragequits when he gets citizen.

Deathfire123
July 23rd, 2012, 01:05 AM
MVP vote for CmG, even though I have to say the Devourer has a much easier win condition than most other killing neutrals, CmG played well, and I wanted him dead, as did everyone who was alive, they tried and failed not once, not twice, but three times to lynch this bastard and he managed to worm his way out every time. He deserves MVP, and should get Player's Choice as well.

Auckmid
July 23rd, 2012, 01:09 AM
MVP vote for CmG, even though I have to say the Devourer has a much easier win condition than most other killing neutrals, CmG played well, and I wanted him dead, as did everyone who was alive, they tried and failed not once, not twice, but three times to lynch this bastard and he managed to worm his way out every time. He deserves MVP, and should get Player's Choice as well.

It's kind of pointless to give player choice to MVP. It's like in survivour giving $100,000 to the guy who has already won the $1,000,000 prize.
-Vote Vader
Sumi didn't win any other awards, and people always underestimate the power of a super-towny player.

clementine
July 23rd, 2012, 01:11 AM
A big thanks to Luna and Yayap for putting together such a fun and involved game! I really enjoyed all the special mechanics and components that were so well thought out. Each vault had a cool mechanic to it, and it was certainly really frustrating (in a good way) to be completely misled by the extra feedback messages from Vault 103. I couldn't believe how perfectly/terribly my soft claim feedback plan interacted with the vault mechanics. ;(

The Vault Feedback finally explained!:
I really never considered the possibility that I was role blocked by a medical student! I feel like throughout the whole game I kept reasoning through things with completely skewed information because of the vault feedback message system. ;(

Orange Mafia:
Obviously you guys were at a significant disadvantage because of Vault 103. I think that King, being a new player, and having no idea what to expect in forum mafia should have been coached a little better on how to play. I think there were many good mentors that could have helped King's play immensely.

Well done, Lando, on your play as actress. I didn't pick up on that until after Wicket pointed it out. And I complained about people not reading my article when I didn't fully read Vader's sheriff article and think out the implications. Kind of ironic! :P

On the Devourer:
Some people have raged about town not lynching the devourer earlier. In my mind, as soon as Phoebe died, the rest of Vault 66 was scum, except I wasn't sure who the devourer was between the smiley faces of Rodgers seeming like he could be linked to a puppet account of Wicket. I didn't want to end up lynching a puppet if we gambled and made the "wrong" devourer lynch because it would buy scum an extra day. That's why I tried to direct gunshots in their direction. Unfortunately town didn't have any KPN since all the winnable gun items went to the Enclave. In any case, perhaps we should have tried to take the risk, and definitely we should have followed through with the Wicket lynch on Day 8, I believe it was? In the moment, I was convinced by the argument that red mafia can coordinate their night actions amongst themselves better than they can coordinate with someone who doesn't share their night chat. Hindsight is 20/20, and I wish we had actually followed through with that lynch.

Red Mafia:
Wow, I was not expecting Law to be an actress!

I think that you guys played very well up until the moment when Law revealed and began to gloat about your impending win. I thought it was kind of... awkward to have red mafia arguing about who contributed the most to the win in daychat!! Roger, Klaus, Gaunt, even Nina (who managed somehow to wiggle out of pressure until she was shot) all did well until the awkward reveal. It ended up being a tad distasteful and somehow taints the satisfaction I would have felt at ultimately just being outplayed by you guys. Nonetheless, many congratulations are still due your way! :]

Player's choice:
I've gotta -vote Luke. I would never have expected your COM was BurnE! I don't think I fully appreciated all the little details in your play until reading about it in the epilogue!

---

In closing, all I can say is that I was just extremely blown away by the intricacy and the thought that went into this FM. At times I thought it was OP for scum to have so many KPN, but in hindsight, town really put ourselves in that position. Luna, this was amazing! The idea, the execution, The Yayap and his Music!! The next FM host has big shoes to fill!

Deathfire123
July 23rd, 2012, 01:14 AM
It's kind of pointless to give player choice to MVP. It's like in survivour giving $100,000 to the guy who has already won the $1,000,000 prize.
-Vote Vader
Sumi didn't win any other awards, and people always underestimate the power of a super-towny player.

They do it all the time in survivor so why not?

Zane
July 23rd, 2012, 01:15 AM
MVP vote for Zane because hes sexy and yoda.

Escaho
July 23rd, 2012, 01:30 AM
Red Mafia:
Wow, I was not expecting Law to be an actress!

I think that you guys played very well up until the moment when Law revealed and began to gloat about your impending win. I thought it was kind of... awkward to have red mafia arguing about who contributed the most to the win in daychat!! Roger, Klaus, Gaunt, even Nina (who managed somehow to wiggle out of pressure until she was shot) all did well until the awkward reveal. It ended up being a tad distasteful and somehow taints the satisfaction I would have felt at ultimately just being outplayed by you guys. Nonetheless, many congratulations are still due your way! :]


If you read our night chat, I think you'll find that I was in constant worry over losing the game (well before Day 7. I think Day 5 was when my paranoia hit after the BoS Ventriloquist bit the dust). The reveal was not to gloat or say we won, but (for me) to inform the Witch that the Devourer is working with us and to join us in the win (vault 66 was screwed anyway being all confirmed scum).

I think Law's reveal was to try and stall the Wicket lynch (I had said I wouldn't be on for quite awhile after day started), as well as to appear to be a Citizen gambit (he would, after all, show up in the graveyard as Citizen) to see if other scum would side with him. We (naively) believed scum was in the majority at this point, but we were wrong.

Kromos
July 23rd, 2012, 01:34 AM
Sorry for dropping out. It looked like a great game and you must have a put a lot of work into it.

I'm surprised new Tarkin (Glip) managed to live to night 8 with the evidence he had on him. It would have been great if Eddy had lured someone else instead so we could have lynched a townie in the cannibal vault and everyone would have thought we got the killer.

From what I read Luke (BurntEskimo) impressed me the most. Claiming orange mafia was one of the best things he could do to help town.

Jr4life24
July 23rd, 2012, 04:15 AM
I had some good fun being able to play in this FM. With getting disguised and such, The alien part confused me a lot. i kept thinking that their was a godfather/Mayor in the game and i was just waiting to see how they would interfere with this FM. I still want to know why Menautor (King) failed how he did in vault 103. And about Brostin's suicide.

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 04:52 AM
If Luke would have been jailed/devouved = Vader could have shot someone and town may have won. (Luke would have gotten MVP if that happened imo)


Please note that Vader would actually have been witched onto Leia that night.

Glip
July 23rd, 2012, 04:57 AM
I'd just like to apologize to my mafia team for being such a derp mafia member. I realized halfway through day 8 that what I should have done is just stay quiet and lynched Wicket, but by then, I had already revealed myself and was going to die anyway, and so lynching him at that point would just be stealing his win away from him for no reason, and I didn't want to do that. Oh well.

Perhaps I'll do better next time.

Fatalis
July 23rd, 2012, 05:07 AM
The sad moment when you don't join in the FM but checked it every 1 hour to read what is happening

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 05:07 AM
Glad to see you were Klaus, Escaho. It was a pleasure to play with you.

And I'm pretty impressed with Burnt's performance, too. Is this his first FM, or what?

Zack
July 23rd, 2012, 05:08 AM
I vote Vader for Player's Choice. Guess that was expected wasn't it? Sumi really made an effort this game to hunt the scum. Well done :)

Yes I kinda stopped following the game at some point, I switched to skimming through the threads because well... frankly it kinda sucks dying on night 1, lol. It was certainly an interesting game, I just wish I could actually have been alive through at least half of it.

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 05:12 AM
I think suicidaln00b played quite well actually, don't you? And all while still managing to stay in-character.

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 05:13 AM
Vader really does deserve it. I had absolutely NO IDEA she didn't have the AR. Excellent play, there.

Escaho
July 23rd, 2012, 05:24 AM
Glad to see you were Klaus, Escaho. It was a pleasure to play with you.

And I'm pretty impressed with Burnt's performance, too. Is this his first FM, or what?

And you as well. Can I ask though, what was your thought process going through the game? I couldn't tell if you were going for a solo win or thought we may have been lying/exaggerating about what was going on? I was a little surprised at your night actions! lol

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 05:46 AM
Well, there was a method behind the madness. I just think that I had really bad luck. I shot Bragg because I didn't want to shoot Leia (because I thought scum would kill her anyway) or Vader (because I wanted to keep members of my vault alive so it wouldn't be obvious that I was the witch), but I instead ended up killing BorkBot, because I thought he was town. Those guys who use weird fonts/colours always struck me as suspicious.

McJesus
July 23rd, 2012, 06:01 AM
gg everyone, I am going to vote -escaho for players choice because he was clearly our beloved enclave leader

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 06:46 AM
So, what was the deal with the aliens again? How did that thing work?

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 06:48 AM
So, what was the deal with the aliens again? How did that thing work?

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 06:48 AM
So, what was the deal with the aliens again? How did that thing work?

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 06:49 AM
So, what was the deal with the aliens again? How did that thing work?

Jr4life24
July 23rd, 2012, 07:12 AM
So, what was the deal with the aliens again? How did that thing work?

It was a place for trolls to hang out. Like archangel, Their were about 4 normal people, The rest was Luna and Yapap.
Why the quad post?

Glip
July 23rd, 2012, 07:15 AM
It was a place for trolls to hang out. Like archangel, Their were about 4 normal people, The rest was Luna and Yapap.
Why the quad post?

The site went down for a short while just a little bit ago, and I think some of the posting got screwed up somehow in the middle of it. Same thing happened to me in the Eden of the East S-FM. I hit "Post Quick Reply" and it just sat there loading forever. I eventually closed and reopened my browser and tried to access the website, but couldn't. A couple minutes later I tried again and then I could get back in, and I saw a lot of multi-posts, including a doubling of my own post in the S-FM.

Jr4life24
July 23rd, 2012, 07:24 AM
The site went down for a short while just a little bit ago, and I think some of the posting got screwed up somehow in the middle of it. Same thing happened to me in the Eden of the East S-FM. I hit "Post Quick Reply" and it just sat there loading forever. I eventually closed my browser and tried to access the website, but couldn't. A couple minutes later I tried again and then I could get back in, and I saw a lot of multi-posts, including a doubling of my own post in the S-FM.

Ah, Alright

Brady
July 23rd, 2012, 07:40 AM
brostin mvp

Roger
July 23rd, 2012, 07:42 AM
brostin mvp

+1

Duzero
July 23rd, 2012, 07:45 AM
Yay I won even though I got lynched day 4 :D

Jr4life24
July 23rd, 2012, 07:47 AM
Yay I won even though I got lynched day 4 :D
You got lynched because you never gave me any guns to shoot the red mafia with.

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 08:53 AM
The "Aliens" must be really disappointed after all that... their whole game was a lie. Reading through the chat, it's also very funny in some ways.

CmG
July 23rd, 2012, 08:55 AM
Yeah, you would have been such a great alien too! :-P

Nick
July 23rd, 2012, 08:58 AM
The "Aliens" must be really disappointed after all that... their whole game was a lie. Reading through the chat, it's also very funny in some ways.

Only 3 aliens. One beamed down. The other two banned. The rest are smurfs.

Phyr
July 23rd, 2012, 09:02 AM
I have to admit that was a very redeeming post and changed my view on Law quite a bit.
It was a gambit that Gaunt and Roger ruined. While your plan with Paul had been a good one, Paul was dead, and we hadn't planned out what we would do if that happened (like I had suggested). The Brotherhood obviously was gunning for Wicket since they killed Paul, so I knew it was inevitable that he would be lynched if something wasn't done. We needed Wicket's KPN in order to win, and since I knew neither Gaunt nor Roger would realize the seriousness of the situation yet alone do anything about it and since you had stated you wouldn't be on until later during the day I had to do something.

I was attempting to portray a citizen pretending he was mafia in order to draw out scum. I was hoping I would start getting voted in order to take the pressure off Wicket. After I got pressured enough I would have role claimed citizen, stated the people that voted me were likely Enclave trying to cause a mislynch, and that everyone voting Mkoll was obviously the rest of the scum. It didn't matter whether or not people believed me. If I got lynched after I flipped citizen it would have lent more legitimacy to my claim. Obviously it didn't work that way. People assumed I was a puppet (I should have seen that coming) and started voting Monica. That worked out beautifully though, since Roger was by far the least valuable scum player (other than the Brotherhood, but the chances of them being lynched were 0%). I would have eventually revealed that everything I had done was a gambit, but then Roger and eventually Gaunt started to talk to me like I was their teammate which obviously completely fucked everything I was trying to accomplish. I then tried to pretend that Roger had been holding the gunsmith gun, but he completely fucked that gambit as well when he told the town he didn't have it (don't say people would have assumed it was WIFOM by the way, any half-intelligent player would have realized that there was nothing for us to gain by lying about him not having the gun). After Roger fucked over that second gambit I just started insulting everyone that talked in order to try and get people to stack night kills on me, which I also think backfired because I will probably live through tonight. The icing on the cake though was when Gaunt basically revealed our entire night chat. I wanted to explain to him right then and there how fucking stupid he was but then people would start over-analyzing my decisions and would realize what I had been doing the entire day. I wanted people to look at my actions at surface level, which is about the only thing I think went right during the entire day.

Anyways, who should I give a gun too? I don't think we should shoot Leia, simply because she may be healed. Rawne would be a great target (on the off chance that she actually is Brotherhood), and maybe Tebow. By the way, Vader is not ghost. There isn't room for any more neutrals, because Roger was legitimately witched (unless he's even derpier than I thought and PMed Luna a different target).

Also, it is not a definite thing that we have lost it town has two guns. If the Brotherhood attacks town and the town hits you and Gaunt with both pistol shots it is still anyone's game.There was still quite a lot of arrogance displayed, which was probably also one of the major reason, why nobody wanted to see red Mafia win.
Other than that, well played. (I liked how Nona (philie) correctly called me out as Actress in the night chat, but it got ignored until pretty much the second to last night.)
Escaho, I wouldn't have been surprised if you had gotten the "Evil Mastermind". Kudos to you.
As for players choice, excluding the ones that were awarded, it comes down to Vader. Thus -vote Vader. I like how your role was an enigma to many players even in the endgame.
And because I like awards, I'm gonna declare myself Deadlynch-Master, having gotten every single lynch I wanted in the dead chat and even single-handedly lynching twice.

Nick
July 23rd, 2012, 09:03 AM
4621

But I think she won't approve of the title.

Nick
July 23rd, 2012, 09:05 AM
4622

Off topic. Reminded me of Zane.

EDIT: Click the .gif file for animation

Zane
July 23rd, 2012, 09:23 AM
i love you too nick

RookRanger
July 23rd, 2012, 09:25 AM
luna has used my sig pic grrrrrr

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 10:08 AM
Rook's Rangers.

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 10:14 AM
To be honest, I'm sad that the game didn't go on for longer.

Ash
July 23rd, 2012, 10:16 AM
To be honest, I'm sad that the game didn't go on for longer.
orly.
were r da happy pillz?

also when is next fm and who is host? :D it would be cool if it was luna again.

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 10:26 AM
Not only had no one anticipated Vader actually having the gun, but no one guessed that I would use it to shoot Leia either. I didn't realise how important I was until I read the dead/night chats. Maybe I should have tried to kill Law instead? That would have been truly exciting.

Yayap
July 23rd, 2012, 11:12 AM
Aliens have been added to the main post... for whoever wants to learn the COM Id of those people trolling the graveyard as well as the live people.

Brendan
July 23rd, 2012, 11:17 AM
Says the guy who was about to rage suicide on night 0 because he got Citizen?

I was bluffing...


U mad bro?

-_-

Brendan
July 23rd, 2012, 11:21 AM
Nice Try, the four people actually voted up were mostly trolls, Brendan, Bruno, suicidaln00b, and Fragos (not a troll). The Enclave members (Mainly Law) in the vault were easy to find by how the secret ballot went, too bad no one listened to me.

Please stop posting on this forum.

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 11:37 AM
So Grim and Archangel were literally the only real players? How did you acquire the other roleplayers?

Yayap
July 23rd, 2012, 11:41 AM
So Grim and Archangel were literally the only real players? How did you acquire the other roleplayers?

Simple, they did (preferred roll=alien) during sign-ups .

Go find the alien names and you'll find out how.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/8441-FMXIII-Sign-up-thread

Phyr
July 23rd, 2012, 11:58 AM
Yeah, I nailed dem Aliens. Didn't think there would be so many observers using them though.

Luke
July 23rd, 2012, 12:07 PM
-vote Ash for MVP.

He probably sour bout saving me from Lando. I'd post on my main account but im b&

Ash
July 23rd, 2012, 12:10 PM
-vote Ash for MVP.

He probably sour bout saving me from Lando. I'd post on my main account but im b&
Saving you was my mistake actually, I needed to save Lando to actually kill a mafia. :|

But yw for that save lol.

Sumikoko
July 23rd, 2012, 12:34 PM
4621

But I think she won't approve of the title.

Oh.

My.

Gawd.

Nick is officially my best friend.

Definitely using this as my signature as soon as I fix a render for it.

Thanks for the compliment, guys. :( I just felt really dejected the days after I pushed the lynch off Wicket and onto Monica because in retrospect, that lynch was probably the most terrible one in this game. The KPN wasn't reduced in any way since neither the gunsmith nor gun holder was killed off.

So very, very sad.

Escaho
July 23rd, 2012, 12:36 PM
Thanks for the compliment, guys. :( I just felt really dejected the days after I pushed the lynch off Wicket and onto Monica because in retrospect, that lynch was probably the most terrible one in this game. The KPN wasn't reduced in any way since neither the gunsmith nor gun holder was killed off.

So very, very sad.

I, for one, thought it was brilliant! :p

Sumikoko
July 23rd, 2012, 12:44 PM
I, for one, thought it was brilliant! :p

Escaho. Forever my #1 nemesis. Again. Even though I warded off your killing blade this time around. :(

I shall get you back... one day!

CmG
July 23rd, 2012, 12:49 PM
Do you guys remember FM 11? 8)

Escaho
July 23rd, 2012, 12:50 PM
Do you guys remember FM 11? 8)

It almost happened again!

RookRanger
July 23rd, 2012, 01:10 PM
4625
this should be ur sig

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 01:33 PM
Oh.

My.

Gawd.

Nick is officially my best friend.

Definitely using this as my signature as soon as I fix a render for it.

Thanks for the compliment, guys. :( I just felt really dejected the days after I pushed the lynch off Wicket and onto Monica because in retrospect, that lynch was probably the most terrible one in this game. The KPN wasn't reduced in any way since neither the gunsmith nor gun holder was killed off.

So very, very sad.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 01:33 PM
Video also sums up deadchat.

Phyr
July 23rd, 2012, 01:37 PM
-vote Ash for MVP.

He probably sour bout saving me from Lando. I'd post on my main account but im b&
You were not attacked. Ash protected Fluttershy. ;)

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 01:38 PM
...who totally wasn't the most useless power roles ever conceived.

FrostByte
July 23rd, 2012, 01:43 PM
Mkay, so.
Town was derpy.
That's all I wanna say right now.

Phyr
July 23rd, 2012, 01:45 PM
...who totally wasn't the most useless power roles ever conceived.
Does it matter? I makes Mafia want to kill you. While "Citizen" doesn't sound as tasty.

Luke
July 23rd, 2012, 01:45 PM
You were not attacked. Ash protected Fluttershy. ;)

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/9442-Night-Actions

I think you were witched onto me. Also wp I didn't expect you to be an actress.

Bluejay
July 23rd, 2012, 02:07 PM
Wow, I actually got an award? 0.o I thought I played extremely horribly the first 3-4 days or so. Oh well, I guess acting suspicious actually paid off at points because I never felt I needed to use the one vest I had until the night I actually got attacked.

Although I revealed my role day 2 when I couldn't actually prove it (lol) I have to thank everyone else in my vault and orange mafia for never revealing what I did in vault chat. My night actions wouldn't have been nearly as effective as they were had the red mafia and devourer knew there was an armorsmith in the game before day 7. Therefore I -vote Luke/BurntEskimo III for MVP. I actually only realized near the end of the game you were just Citizen, but you put in a great effort in trying to mess up red mafia/devourer. That free lynch on Luke day 2 was a great decision, after all!

I enjoyed this FM and didn't expect to survive the whole way. Time to read dead/mafia/other vault chats!

EDIT: spelled BurntEskimo wrong. :(

Law
July 23rd, 2012, 03:11 PM
Thanks for the compliment, guys. :( I just felt really dejected the days after I pushed the lynch off Wicket and onto Monica because in retrospect, that lynch was probably the most terrible one in this game. The KPN wasn't reduced in any way since neither the gunsmith nor gun holder was killed off.

So very, very sad.

You did play well in the sense that us Enclave members were never sure of your alignment (coming in to Day 7 we were POSITIVE you were scum), but you are right, lynching Monica was by far the worst possible lynch town could have pulled off on Day 7. The best lynch for you guys would have been Wicket, then Klaus, then myself, and I was very surprised I was not lynched that day, nor killed the next.

Law
July 23rd, 2012, 03:13 PM
You were trying to get scum to band together, then realized half way through that scum neither had the majority not did orange mafia want to work with you.

You failed at a plan, and everyone saw that, then you tried to cover it up calling it a "gambit" Everyone saw what you were doing.

Night chats are open, I suggest you go read up.

CmG
July 23rd, 2012, 03:15 PM
-My Players choice goes to Luke. His reveal as Burnteskimo was the biggest wtf moment i could have ever imagined in this game. I really enjoyed that reveal a lot. =)

-vote Luke

Ubernox
July 23rd, 2012, 03:25 PM
Yeah, Luke was pretty amazing - and I really wasn't expecting to see Burnt behind the mask. But didn't he already get a reward? I think Vader deserves a piece of the pie.

Law
July 23rd, 2012, 03:29 PM
Player's Choice Award - Klaus (Escaho)

Should have been MVP. He managed to convince nearly every player that Rodgers was a sane sheriff and Paul was the devourer, all while keeping anyone from solidly believing he was a ventriloquist. Unfortunately we were not able to use either of them to their fullest potential. We came up with quite a few good plans by bouncing ideas off each other during night chat, and his plan with Paul was a brilliant one that unfortunately never got to see the light of day. It was a lot of fun playing scum with you Escaho, and I hope we get teamed up again some time soon.

Honourable Mention - Roger/Monica (Auckmid)

Even though I was upset when you failed to replicate Monica's prose style and when you revealed you did not in fact have the gunsmith gun nor tools after you were lynched, your acquisition of not only the Vigilante gun but also the gunsmith tools were two of the most important moves in the game. The outcome of this game could have been much different had you not acquired both those items.

Law
July 23rd, 2012, 03:35 PM
By the way Luna, did you seriously not know what I was doing? You of all people should have realized what I was doing the moment I asked the Brotherhood to vote with us, because the night prior we had discussed how we knew the Brotherhood would never vote with us.

philie
July 23rd, 2012, 04:00 PM
Yeah, I suppose all red mafia would vote Escaho for players choice.
He really was amazing, and you wouldnt notice that if you were town probably, or would be probably grudging at the red. Klaus did a lot of planning, his vent act wasn't discovered until there were only a few players left in the game, he pretty much lead us to victory.
Auckmid got us permanent 3 kpn on the surface, so he's a pretty cool guy too.
Those two deserve the recognition, but sadly, everyone would vote fortheir own, including me, and town is the majority.

Out of players not on my team, I would say Sumi had a good deception act with the rifle, Greedo was an exemplary citizen, eating a bullet and taking 2 mafia with him. I had no idea Luke was a troll. Tebow gave me a good laugh with his interview.

Phyr
July 23rd, 2012, 04:41 PM
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/9442-Night-Actions

I think you were witched onto me. Also wp I didn't expect you to be an actress.
No, I went to visit you. But I knew you were going to be bus driven. So I actually went to kill Fluttershy. (I was witched night 2 - not 4)

Yayap
July 23rd, 2012, 05:19 PM
Out of curiosity, how many of you thought that the theme for the FM was going to be StarWars before the game started?

Dont Shoot Me
July 23rd, 2012, 05:25 PM
Out of curiosity, how many of you thought that the theme for the FM was going to be StarWars before the game started?

*Raises hand*

Glip
July 23rd, 2012, 05:30 PM
Out of curiosity, how many of you thought that the theme for the FM was going to be StarWars before the game started?

StarWars had the most anon account names with its theme. Therefore, I would say that the theme for the FM names still was StarWars.

I still don't even know what the "theme" for the RP was supposed to be. I think I remember someone saying somewhere that it was Fallout? I've never played those games, so I wouldn't know.

Luke
July 23rd, 2012, 05:31 PM
No, I went to visit you. But I knew you were going to be bus driven. So I actually went to kill Fluttershy. (I was witched night 2 - not 4)

Oh ok. Hard to read the night action page

Yayap
July 23rd, 2012, 05:35 PM
Hard to read the night action page

+1

Glad to see I wasn't the only one.

Deathfire123
July 23rd, 2012, 05:36 PM
Night chats are open, I suggest you go read up.

I did lol, and it doesn't make your plan any less stupid. Paul died, why the fuck did you try to go through with it anyways?

Dont Shoot Me
July 23rd, 2012, 06:18 PM
I did lol, and it doesn't make your plan any less stupid. Paul died, why the fuck did you try to go through with it anyways?

It was an entirely different plan, but it had the same goal. We were trying to prevent Wicket from being lynched, and guess what! He wasn't lynched!

Boba
July 23rd, 2012, 09:03 PM
Out of curiosity, how many of you thought that the theme for the FM was going to be StarWars before the game started?

I dreamed it would be when I got to be Boba fucking Fett!

Auckmid
July 23rd, 2012, 09:07 PM
Those two deserve the recognition, but sadly, everyone would vote fortheir own, including me, and town is the majority.


Not nessicarily. I'm voting for Vader because she was my vaultmate, so I could appreciate just how pro-town she was acting, seeing how I was mainly foccusing on analysising and winning over my own vault for the first few cycles. Law is the other person who didn't win an award and I believe deserves to.

Bruno
July 23rd, 2012, 09:13 PM
I'd like to vote for Mkoll.

He successfully identified Monica was a disguiser because of the way he typed.

You know, Like this, Which is really fucking odd.

Ash
July 23rd, 2012, 09:38 PM
why isnt luke trolling?

if burnteskimo can play fm does this mean arch can have a chance at FM?

Bluejay
July 23rd, 2012, 10:00 PM
Hey Yayap, can you answer my question about the alien abductions now? How come Clementine and I got to actually chat with them when philie and Frostbyte never got to? Were you just bored? :P

BorkBot
July 23rd, 2012, 10:26 PM
Congrats reds. Nice job CmG, I thought you were the ventriloquist :p

Orange mafia was doomed by misfortune. I was actually thinking of asking for a replacement at the end of night 2 for reasons I can't discuss, but I decided to stick around and made it my mission to be as big a pain in the ass as possible to the red mafia. Unfortunately, Ubernox killed me because he thought I was town. Curse you! lol..

vote player's choice for Leia because she managed to direct the town in the scum hunt when it was a completely chaotic mess on day 4. That's nice and fresh after seeing so much town derping.

Honorable mentions to Luke and Vader.

PLEASE NEVER BELIEVE A "NOOB SHERIFF/INVESTIGATOR" AGAIN TYVM. 100% SCUM!

(next host plz give me jester or ghost)

FrostByte
July 23rd, 2012, 10:31 PM
Hey Yayap, can you answer my question about the alien abductions now? How come Clementine and I got to actually chat with them when philie and Frostbyte never got to? Were you just bored? :P
I got to talk to the FM Radio and FMGM & they said they were aliens.
I thought they were trolling O_O

BorkBot
July 23rd, 2012, 10:34 PM
Oh and good job finding the disguiser Mkoll :smile:

Yayap
July 23rd, 2012, 11:59 PM
Hey Yayap, can you answer my question about the alien abductions now? How come Clementine and I got to actually chat with them when philie and Frostbyte never got to? Were you just bored? :P

We decided to up the trolling with the Aliens, we were hinting about them all game long, so we decided to show a few people that they actually existed to people who didn't believe... got some good laughs from it

Yayap
July 24th, 2012, 12:00 AM
why isnt luke trolling?

if burnteskimo can play fm does this mean arch can have a chance at FM?

Arch had the same chance BurntEskimo had. Only BurntEskimo proved to be worthy of being added in.

Auckmid
July 24th, 2012, 12:59 AM
Who be hosting the next FM?

Yayap
July 24th, 2012, 03:12 AM
Our Host list says Oops and Philie... I'm guessing Oops is the one who changed the password on the GM account so it's most likely them.

Ubernox
July 24th, 2012, 03:36 AM
Arch had the same chance BurntEskimo had. Only BurntEskimo proved to be worthy of being added in.

How did Burnt "prove himself"?

Ubernox
July 24th, 2012, 03:38 AM
Sorry about that Bork - if only I had killed the obvious targets like Leia and Vader instead.

Yayap
July 24th, 2012, 04:14 AM
How did Burnt "prove himself"?

By remaining active (had most posts day0 in mothership [day0 was not a troll day for aliens]) as well as actually using decent reasoning behind his votes.

Not to mention the PMs he sent us about his reasoning.

Ubernox
July 24th, 2012, 04:21 AM
How did you go about moving him over? Did you replace him with a fake player in the mothership? What RP did you use to explain his sudden transfer to Earth? Would you have moved him over if there hadn't been a vacancy in the player slots?

Yayap
July 24th, 2012, 04:31 AM
Luke was free-lynched => we gave BurntEskimo Lukes account and password with a PM explaining the whole thing, as well as a request that he not divulge any information about the aliens.

We changed the password on his alien account, posted the new password in the observer chat so everyone could use it

And continued as if nothing changed.




Can't you read mothership?

Ubernox
July 24th, 2012, 05:05 AM
The Mothership was very lulzy indeed. The fact that no one really knew the truth behind it all, and the pseudo-seriousness of it all. I laughed when X-files music started playing. The way Leia posted more in one night than anyone else in the entire Mothership was pretty funny too. Cruel, cruel humour. When did you break it to them that their game was a lie?

Forum Mafia GM
July 24th, 2012, 05:20 AM
The Mothership was very lulzy indeed. The fact that no one really knew the truth behind it all, and the pseudo-seriousness of it all. I laughed when X-files music started playing. The way Leia posted more in one night than anyone else in the entire Mothership was pretty funny too. Cruel, cruel humour. When did you break it to them that their game was a lie?

We never had to, the only real people in the game were Archangel and GriM-DeMoN and they were both AFK.

Ubernox
July 24th, 2012, 05:23 AM
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/081/626/tumblr_la79dj5UMb1qb5gkjo1_400.gif

Overall, this was the best FM I've played. Kudos to you, Luyap.

Phyr
July 24th, 2012, 05:32 AM
Oh, yeah I just noticed. The Alien Saboteur won, too! whowasit?

BorkBot
July 24th, 2012, 07:47 AM
Sorry about that Bork - if only I had killed the obvious targets like Leia and Vader instead.
Tbh, you probably aided your winning conditions because I wasn't interested in helping your strongest allies win and I never really believed in our own chances to win after that thing with Stan and King happened :p

Deathfire123
July 24th, 2012, 09:09 AM
It was an entirely different plan, but it had the same goal. We were trying to prevent Wicket from being lynched, and guess what! He wasn't lynched!

That wasn't credit to you though, you were the one who outed him as devourer in the first place. CmG managed to save his own skin

BorkBot
July 24th, 2012, 09:13 AM
I was so sure the red mafia was just bussing a puppet there to make sure the town got a mislynch...

I think Clementine may have changed her mind for the same reason :push:

Bluejay
July 24th, 2012, 09:39 AM
Lol. "Minecraft" was a smurf of GriM?

Ubernox
July 24th, 2012, 10:08 AM
Tbh, you probably aided your winning conditions because I wasn't interested in helping your strongest allies win and I never really believed in our own chances to win after that thing with Stan and King happened :p

In fairness, I would have sided with BoS much more dramatically if they had survived to the late game. Hell, I would have gone for a solo/neutral win.

Ubernox
July 24th, 2012, 10:09 AM
Lol. "Minecraft" was a smurf of GriM?

Yeah.

BorkBot
July 24th, 2012, 10:12 AM
In fairness, I would have sided with BoS much more dramatically if they had survived to the late game. Hell, I would have gone for a solo/neutral win.

A solo witch win in an FM would've been epic :smile:

Dont Shoot Me
July 24th, 2012, 10:17 AM
That wasn't credit to you though, you were the one who outed him as devourer in the first place. CmG managed to save his own skin


Really? I outed him? Why don't you go back and read the day chat. Everyone already knew he was the devourer regardless, because the town had narrowed it down to either Paul or Wicket. Paul died that night. I guarantee CmG would have been lynched had I not made our team such a huge target.

CmG
July 24th, 2012, 10:36 AM
They stopped lynching me when i revealed that you guys had a gunsmith and it would be better for them to let me live and lynch your gunsmith monica... Also your teammates voted on me unnecesary. No one of the people alive even thought about it that you were bussing a puppet. Because you didn't.

But who cares. The game is over we have won. Let's just wait for the next FM in peace. 8)

Auckmid
July 24th, 2012, 01:24 PM
Just out of interest, how come I got lynched? I seemed like the worst choice since I had absolutely zero chance of having the gunsmith tools, and I was extreamly unlikely to have the gunsmith guns. I thought that town would start to realize towards the end of the day. Part of me always hates getting lynched, so I was hoping, even though me taking one for the team was around the best outcome we could realisticly hope for.

Luke
July 24th, 2012, 01:26 PM
why isnt luke trolling?

if burnteskimo can play fm does this mean arch can have a chance at FM?

ASH, this is my only account rite now thats not banned. so I gotta lay low and post gud. my main is unb& in a hour or sumthin. also im pro son did u see my AWARD? arch aint gonna get an award lyk me. first time playing this boring ass shit and I get an award L O L. ppl act like FM's are tough shit.

Jr4life24
July 24th, 2012, 01:27 PM
Just out of interest, how come I got lynched? I seemed like the worst choice since I had absolutely zero chance of having the gunsmith tools, and I was extreamly unlikely to have the gunsmith guns. I thought that town would start to realize towards the end of the day. Part of me always hates getting lynched, so I was hoping, even though me taking one for the team was around the best outcome we could realisticly hope for.

Because you stole me and my identity. Lol

Ubernox
July 24th, 2012, 01:38 PM
ASH, this is my only account rite now thats not banned. so I gotta lay low and post gud. my main is unb& in a hour or sumthin. also im pro son did u see my AWARD? arch aint gonna get an award lyk me. first time playing this boring ass shit and I get an award L O L. ppl act like FM's are tough shit.

I am proud.

Boba
July 24th, 2012, 02:55 PM
Two questions.

1) Who is hosting the NEXT FM?

2) Can I have this be my new account and not Duffmana?

Jr4life24
July 24th, 2012, 03:48 PM
Two questions.

1) Who is hosting the NEXT FM?

2) Can I have this be my new account and not Duffmana?
1) I think they said Opps is hosting the next one, They said it somewhere in chat earlier.
2) If you get your account, I want the Monica account back.

Auckmid
July 24th, 2012, 04:17 PM
1) Who is hosting the NEXT FM?


I believe that since all the major FM hosts have now hosted at least once, they'll start repeating with Oops and Philie. They'll probably branch out a little bit in the next couple of month and give other people a chance to host. Maybe Borkbot and CmG will host a game in the near future?

FrostByte
July 24th, 2012, 04:25 PM
ASH, this is my only account rite now thats not banned. so I gotta lay low and post gud. my main is unb& in a hour or sumthin. also im pro son did u see my AWARD? arch aint gonna get an award lyk me. first time playing this boring ass shit and I get an award L O L. ppl act like FM's are tough shit.
You got lucky.
Don't get cocky.

BorkBot
July 24th, 2012, 04:35 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to (co-)hosting a main FM, but I'm sure there's quite a few mods who are still interested and who have ideas for setups they'd like to use. Also, I think it's policy to have only site mods running these games because certain admin privileges (and associated responsibilities) are required to set them up and maintain them.

Dont Shoot Me
July 24th, 2012, 04:49 PM
Our Host list says Oops and Philie... I'm guessing Oops is the one who changed the password on the GM account so it's most likely them.

How does one go about getting on this host list? I would like to host a FM sometime soon. I already have a theme and RP figured out.

Auckmid
July 24th, 2012, 05:33 PM
How does one go about getting on this host list? I would like to host a FM sometime soon. I already have a theme and RP figured out.

Mods sometimes let respected host a game, but other then that, it's normaly staff. If you get MVP at some point, you may possible get a chance, but it's extreamly unlikely you will before.

Burnteskimo IIl.
July 24th, 2012, 05:35 PM
You got lucky.
Don't get cocky.

lol k. i kno it must be hard to play when u get confirmed as town rly early rite

i lied ive played b4 on other forums. but this was probably the biggest / most boring i ever played.

also add me on steam i sent for u

Auckmid
July 24th, 2012, 06:02 PM
Mods sometimes let respected host a game, but other then that, it's normaly staff. If you get MVP at some point, you may possible get a chance, but it's extreamly unlikely you will before.

I'll modify this statement. If a host suddenly went AFK, that could potentialy ruin a whole FM. It's easier to make sure staff/respected don't go afk rather then regular members.

Deathfire123
July 24th, 2012, 07:35 PM
Mods sometimes let respected host a game, but other then that, it's normaly staff. If you get MVP at some point, you may possible get a chance, but it's extreamly unlikely you will before.

The only non-mod respected to ever host is Jack, and he was once a mod.

Ash
July 24th, 2012, 07:39 PM
The only non-mod respected to ever host is Jack, and he was once a mod.
I think only mods can host, they plan and see who hosts which FM. so Jack signed to host when he was a mod, but when he hosted he wasnt.

Auckmid
July 24th, 2012, 07:45 PM
The only non-mod respected to ever host is Jack, and he was once a mod.

I was thinking about Jack when I posted. Other then him, it's only ever been mods. However, I don't see much of a reason why someone like Borkbot couldn't host. Not sure if he even ever wants to, but he's hosted before in M-FM's.

Dont Shoot Me
July 25th, 2012, 07:11 AM
Well, I guess I won't be hosting any time soon then. What about co-hosting though? If someone wanted to host and needed a theme/RP they could use mine (it's a fucking awesome one by the way).

philie
July 25th, 2012, 10:04 AM
they put Kromos and borkbot in same game.
must have been fun while it lasted

BorkBot
July 25th, 2012, 10:36 AM
Kromos sadly didn't have much time to contribute :(

Phyr was by far the best player in our little brotherhood, though. He was really on top of this game and it's unfortunate he got murdered so early.

Auckmid
July 25th, 2012, 10:40 AM
Kromos sadly didn't have much time to contribute :(

Phyr was by far the best player in our little brotherhood, though. He was really on top of this game and it's unfortunate he got murdered so early.

Phyr's very first post made me go into super thinking mode. It seemed so scummy, I wasn't entirely sure if it was something scum would post, so that stumped me for a while.

CmG
July 25th, 2012, 10:57 AM
Lol i really wondered, why you didn't lynch him for that to be honest, after i read it. :D

BorkBot
July 25th, 2012, 11:00 AM
You mean his first post in the vault? Yeah, some of us advised against it. It seemed a little too prepared.

If you look at our night chat and see all of his reads, his ideas and his questions about mechanics we might be able to use to our advantage, he did a really good job of analysing and planning. He had a few misses (most importantly that gunsmith gun... which we really should have gone for), but he was very active and helpful.

I felt out of my element in the vaults section of the game. Didn't know what to do with it.


Lol i really wondered, why you didn't lynch him for that to be honest, after i read it.
Lynch who? Lando?

Vault 9 didn't have lynches.

And Roger himself was equally obvious scum for the same reason if you look at his first day posts ;)

Auckmid
July 25th, 2012, 11:20 AM
If you look at our night chat and see all of his reads, his ideas and his questions about mechanics we might be able to use to our advantage, he did a really good job of analysing and planning. He had a few misses (most importantly that gunsmith gun... which we really should have gone for), but he was very active and helpful.
Yeah, I went realy hard for that gunsmith gun, and it payed off.


And Roger himself was equally obvious scum for the same reason if you look at his first day posts ;)

I facepalmed when I made the post about wanting the gunsmith gun. Fortunately, nothing much came of it.

CmG
July 25th, 2012, 11:24 AM
Yeah well, for the most vaults it seemed like they got their brain washed when they arrived on the surface. I think the merge was just too overwhelming for the most of us.

Phyr
July 25th, 2012, 11:38 AM
Okay, there seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding. When I was talking about the gunsmith ability. I was talking about receiving it. Not about being the appointer. I didn't want to receive the gunsmith ability and end up as Town's little bitch. Appointer would have been fine. And Roger got to be appointer, because he was the only one to vote at all. So this was kinda derpy of the rest of the Vault members.

Luna
July 26th, 2012, 07:37 AM
Any further Player's Choice votes need to be PM'd to Luna (I've just given up the FM GM account).

That'll be concluded shortly, yyyaaaayyyy!

Gingerape
July 26th, 2012, 07:44 AM
Loona u silly

Luna
July 26th, 2012, 07:51 AM
Loona u silly

U mad because Ubernox got you killed night 1? xD

Gingerape
July 26th, 2012, 07:52 AM
U mad because Ubernox got you killed night 1? xD

I am. I wanted the gun but everyone else was like "No you want it too much"
):

Ubernox
July 26th, 2012, 02:46 PM
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/327/042/216.gif

CmG
July 26th, 2012, 03:09 PM
^ lol

This belongs in the french subforum!

Ash
July 26th, 2012, 03:29 PM
WHEN IS NEXT FM WHERE IS THE HOST WOW
IF BY TOMORROW THERE IS NO SIGN UP THREAD IM QUITTING THIS MOTHERFU(|<ING FORUMS FOR GOOD.

Duzero
July 26th, 2012, 03:33 PM
WHEN IS NEXT FM WHERE IS THE HOST WOW
IF BY TOMORROW THERE IS NO SIGN UP THREAD IM QUITTING THIS MOTHERFU(|<ING FORUMS FOR GOOD.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/BLOWHARD/oh-you_BH.png

Ubernox
July 26th, 2012, 03:33 PM
WHEN IS NEXT FM WHERE IS THE HOST WOW
IF BY TOMORROW THERE IS NO SIGN UP THREAD IM QUITTING THIS MOTHERFU(|<ING FORUMS FOR GOOD.

I concur.

Yayap
July 26th, 2012, 03:44 PM
WHEN IS NEXT FM WHERE IS THE HOST WOW
IF BY TOMORROW THERE IS NO SIGN UP THREAD IM QUITTING THIS MOTHERFU(|<ING FORUMS FOR GOOD.

You know that I will make sure that there is no sign up thread by tomorrow for saying that. You were suppose to quit weeks ago.

Ash
July 26th, 2012, 03:45 PM
You know that I will make sure that there is no sign up thread by tomorrow for saying that. You were suppose to quit weeks ago.
dr fired akira so im staying.

Burnteskimo IIl.
July 26th, 2012, 04:00 PM
dr fired akira so im staying.

Same. if akira cums back im out

Ubernox
July 26th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Don't worry guys, I got him good 8)

even his account got deleted.

Auckmid
July 26th, 2012, 09:21 PM
I am. I wanted the gun but everyone else was like "No you want it too much"
):

Naw, people didn't want you to have the gun because you had a scummy first post with lots of logic flaws.

Ash
August 1st, 2012, 01:16 PM
Good show.

Ubernox
August 1st, 2012, 02:29 PM
Best FM.

Auckmid
August 2nd, 2012, 01:10 PM
Whats takeing FMXIV signups so long? Its been some 10 days since FMXIII.

FrostByte
August 2nd, 2012, 01:12 PM
I announced and then Ambient put my announce in circlejerk.

Oops even said it was ok.

Cryptonic
August 2nd, 2012, 01:14 PM
FrostBruno hosting FM14 would be amazing

FrostByte
August 2nd, 2012, 01:16 PM
FrostOopsBruno

Oops even approved it for Gen Disc.

I'm telling you, man.

Cryptonic
August 2nd, 2012, 01:19 PM
Froopsno

Duzero
August 2nd, 2012, 01:20 PM
FrostOopsBruno

Oops even approved it for Gen Disc.

I'm telling you, man.

What did he approve?

Duzero
August 2nd, 2012, 01:22 PM
Frunops

Escaho
August 4th, 2012, 12:07 PM
Luna, on Vault 66:

How it went: There was a supreme lack of confidence and creativity in this vault (sorry guys but you have to admit, it was not a riveting first couple of days :P). Both the Enclave and the Brotherhood of Steel immediately suspected that the other Ventriloquist was in the vault with them. After night one, everyone was also convinced that the Devourer was in the vault with them. Neither mafia team even considered the idea of an alliance until it was way too late. Everyone was so busy playing the 'passive lurking scum' strategy that they didn't grasp the opportunities in front of them. I think everyone would play that vault differently if we did this again, though the Enclave and Devourer did try to draw out the Brotherhood's ventriloquist (however subtly). What's also interesting is that it wasn't the lone NCR player that exposed the vault, but the Brotherhood ventriloquist! Biggs also claimed that he 'wanted to take a scum mentor' yet didn't choose anyone in his vault hehe.


Sorry, I just re-read this and wanted to comment on it.

The reason I didn't out myself (or a puppet) and try and propose an alliance with the Brotherhood was twofold:

1) I felt the Enclave had the upper hand because we had a running code with the Devourer. Giving him a chance to discuss options with the opposing mafia would have painted CmG more as a neutral-playing-all-sides as opposed to a neutral-on-the-Enclave-team. Keeping CmG away from the Brotherhood was a priority of mine and I felt it was actually a missed opportunity by CmG himself (he could have devoured the BoS Ventriloquist and gathered information from them and played both sides).

2) We did not know who the remaining NCR player was. CmG suspected Ben, but with only one lynch remaining on Day 3 and one NCR left, we had to be 100% sure of who that town player was, otherwise they would tattle to the rest of the Town who we all were (2 Ventriloquists and a Devourer). Any Vigilantes/Jailors, etc. would immediately target us to whittle us down.

The town made a very fatal mistake in not looking for the Devourer. Why? Because this would keep opposing mafia teams at each other's throats. I'd like to think I had a part in subtly moving lynch votes and night actions away from CmG and myself, as making Vault 66 less of a priority was my main objective. While Rodgers acted dumb and also tried to save teammates, he also accused people in other vaults once we got out. Paul's objective was to act logical and point out flaws in people's arguments that were in more complex vaults. Klaus was meant to act like a puppet to avoid being killed early on.

Just thought some of my insight might explain why I acted like I did.