Some questions about some role assignments

[zogleheros]

Hi,

I wanted to ask some questions / make some suggestions.

- First I don't understand why doc is power and not support, all other power roles are roles who can detect other player's alignement / role / moves, and help town find the evil, but doc can only save and doesn't give any information on other players' role. It's quite of awkward when setting up a game, if i want 3 people for example who can detect roles, i put 3 basic town with excluded support, but it can be a doctor, and I don't want these roles to be doctors.

- Second, Why the heck can't coroner role be excluded from randoms, it is a complete useless role in a standard game and not clue game. Spy can be excluded, Mason Leader can be, but not coroner ... In fact why isn't there the option to exclude on each role ? Is it because it's limited to 4 check-boxes ?

- Third, why is arso advanced neutral and cult basic neutral ? It doesn't make sense, so many setups have 1 random neutral slot (with excluded non killing roles), to have either arso or sk. Mine does anyway. The problem is it wastes the random neutral slot, while it could be possible to use the random basic slot (with excluded benign roles) if arso was basic, and it would leave the random neutral slot for other possibilities.

Basically, I would like to have for example 1 slot for arso / sk, 1 slot for cultist/witch, and 1 for survivor / jester / amnesiac / executor, but it's not possible with current options. This is only one example, there are other setups which are not possible.

[Damus_Graves]

Hi,

Second, Why the heck can't coroner role be excluded from randoms, it is a complete useless role in a standard game and not clue game. Spy can be excluded, Mason Leader can be, but not coroner ... In fact why isn't there the option to exclude on each role ? Is it because it's limited to 4 check-boxes ?
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Whoa Whoa Whoa. Coroner is a useful role. however limited it may be it is of use.

Janitor's that die in game can be examined to see who they targeted on the nights that the mafia kill didnt get cleaned. (This one is my favorite thing to do)

It can be used to absorb kills (Like citizen).

When the sk kills doesnt go through and dies afterward, Coroner's can find who they attacked and any person's last will that got cleaned.

[zogleheros]

Well, I agree it's less useless than citizen, but so many people already leave when they are doctor, and even more when coroner. That's why I want to exclude coroners from my save, I usually have so many leavers, I don't want to have even more with coroners.

[Glip]

I've heard that the Coroner is automatically excluded from randoms unless either

A. A Janitor is in the game or

B. All options for the Coroner are turned on.

Can't confirm if this is true.

[Blazer]

Doctor is a power role because its....well powerful...lol. It can prevent death. Also, perhaps they wanted it to be a power role just because all of the other ones are detective types and they wanted to mix it up?

I might like an option to get rid of coroner as well.
Unless what glip said is true

[Dennis]

i hope they have actual good roles in the update. remove fag roles like coroner pls

[Raptorblaze]

I've heard that the Coroner is automatically excluded from randoms unless either

A. A Janitor is in the game or

B. All options for the Coroner are turned on.

Can't confirm if this is true.

Slight correction to B, the only important option is to allow the coroner to see EVERY night target of a person, if that is on they can be randomed without a janitor present.

And no ginger, rep and infractions are totally seperate systems.

[Ambient]

Hi,

I wanted to ask some questions / make some suggestions.

- First I don't understand why doc is power and not support, all other power roles are roles who can detect other player's alignement / role / moves, and help town find the evil, but doc can only save and doesn't give any information on other players' role. It's quite of awkward when setting up a game, if i want 3 people for example who can detect roles, i put 3 basic town with excluded support, but it can be a doctor, and I don't want these roles to be doctors.

Doctors may not be the most popular role. However, doctors are power. At least one is required if you do not want your town to be ripped apart from day one. Even a single doctor on the list will affect how the killing roles target their victims. If that is not power. I don't know what is.

- Second, Why the heck can't coroner role be excluded from randoms, it is a complete useless role in a standard game and not clue game. Spy can be excluded, Mason Leader can be, but not coroner ... In fact why isn't there the option to exclude on each role ? Is it because it's limited to 4 check-boxes ?[/QUOTE]

First off coroner is not useless. Especially when you have a consort/escort that died to a SK for instance. Also they have a higher rate of showing up when janitors are around. They also balance the game by allowing a dead bodies result not always = janitor.

- Third, why is arso advanced neutral and cult basic neutral ? It doesn't make sense, so many setups have 1 random neutral slot (with excluded non killing roles), to have either arso or sk. Mine does anyway. The problem is it wastes the random neutral slot, while it could be possible to use the random basic slot (with excluded benign roles) if arso was basic, and it would leave the random neutral slot for other possibilities

Basically, I would like to have for example 1 slot for arso / sk, 1 slot for cultist/witch, and 1 for survivor / jester / amnesiac / executor, but it's not possible with current options. This is only one example, there are other setups which are not possible.[/QUOTE]

You can control neutral possibilities with the randoms fairly easily with the options.

[zogleheros]

You can control neutral possibilities with the randoms fairly easily with the options.

Well, I didn't find how to make the setup I took for example. Maybe that's just me.

[Damus_Graves]

Well, I didn't find how to make the setup I took for example. Maybe that's just me.

I suggest playing around with the set up and reading through all the options and stuff possible. It helped me find out what rolls what and how to manage a fair-ish save that doesnt draw many ragequiters

[zogleheros]

Ok, I'll try that.

And why isn't there the option on each role to exclude from random, is it because limited to 4 boxes ? Same, why not more options in the random roles, for example exclude evil / benign + exclude advanced / basic + exclude killing/non killing (which makes 6 options) ?

[EliteMarine]

Just for the record, the citizen is not useless.

- You get a nice shiny vest. Many roles don't get one.
- You have no pressure to perform critical actions.
- The big one: If you can slip thorugh the cracks, you can win 1v1's vs mafia! You are the only town role that can win 1 vs. 1 against mafia!


- Oh, and you get more points if you win.


I mean citizens are great!

[Damus_Graves]

I think it is limited to four.

[McKinley]

Just for the record, the citizen is not useless.

- You get a nice shiny vest. Many roles don't get one.
- You have no pressure to perform critical actions.
- The big one: If you can slip thorugh the cracks, you can win 1v1's vs mafia! You are the only town role that can win 1 vs. 1 against mafia!


- Oh, and you get more points if you win.


I mean citizens are great!

All of those are left to the Host enabling them, however. It's not always a given taht the citizen(s) get these features in all setups and PUG matches.

[Bahkieh]

I <3 Coroner. It can be a very good role when used properly. However a lot of towns lynch a coroner claim just cuz,"HERP DERP HE IS JANITOR LYNCHLYNCHLYNCH."

[Raptorblaze]

I've won the game more than once for town as a power coroner.

[creedkingsx]

My first time as coroner was super powerful.
Everytime after that was 1 lead only game.