S-FM: ???? Gamethread

[NoctiZ]

I'm also going to poke out on this.

There's 3x dead Vanilla, there's one alive (which you claim), there's me King Arthur and my Seven Loyal Vassals (11 players in Majority).

If SJ is correct with a team of 3, it's 14 players. Morgan le Fay and Merlin together would be 16, which excludes the Neutral.

What even.

If there's a "Team Scum Faction" with a single member, that's fucking trolly lol.



Can confirm, Voss used their ability to contact me. We shared thoughts.

If SJ speaks the truth then two town role claims are fake. Those are probably scum roles using their night ability to hide behind feedback they're able to give. Either way SJ will know which ones belong to him. So we only need to refer to him.
Morgan's ability, the way it was phrased by you, makes it sound like he is able to turn one vassal or vanilla by killing the director. Although the turned person might also be red team scum as you've asked SJ earlier if there are any suspects.

So I can see the starting faction being 11 town, 3 red team scum, 1 purple Morgan and 1 neutral Merlin. 16 players.

[Otakudweeb69]

I'm trying to say that I can accept you not having an alliance with wido-- and you only said that wido didn't have to claim as you didn't want to have to claim yourself

[NoctiZ]

does anyone else follow the wido/me thought that otaku is trying to say? i'm not.

I did not follow either.

[PowersThatBe]

does anyone else follow the wido/me thought that otaku is trying to say? i'm not.

he's saying u didnt use it on wido n1, so maybe you're not connected to him? IDK. tbh.

[NoctiZ]

I'm trying to say that I can accept you not having an alliance with wido-- and you only said that wido didn't have to claim as you didn't want to have to claim yourself

Oh, I see now. You mean if wido was pushed to reveal then so would Voss be.

[Otakudweeb69]

Just ignore it-- my point being at this point if people would just claim then the game is solved.
Hiding behind feedback seems possible but if I'm going to be completely honest:
My role allows people to choose if they get put in my catapult, so I might as well be a vanilla

[Otakudweeb69]

My desire to give Noctiz the drink has been acknowledged, don't know if he will receive it or not

God I'm incoherent can people just please claim ;~;
(Wido, noctiz, stole I think haven't?)

I maintain that I am a Town Power Role
My card reads as follows:
"At night you may ask someone to get into your catapult"

[Otakudweeb69]

Ah Noctiz is sticking to vanilla right my bad

[NoctiZ]

Alright, listen up. I did bad because I claimed Vanilla D2. With the quick Vanilla flips I'll reveal my real role. Sorry SJ. I am a member of Red Team Scum.

If I didn't reveal now we would still argue about the role list for a while but the fact is: There are no more spot for Vanillas so I cannot be one. The role list wouldn't make sense otherwise either.

I can 100% confirm SJ to be what he says and that we consist of 3 people. I believe the role list is as PTB says except I still 100% believe that Morgan is the purple team "leader" because converting someone is part of his abilities as RLVG said.

This way we know what the role list has to be. Morgan and Merlin allied doesn't make sense. Morgan converted one of the town roles to his faction by killing the Mayor most likely. If that is a director, I think RLVG said something about that earlier which made me convinced, then someone has been turned now and for balance reasons I'd personally say it's a town role. It COULD be one of my teammates but I feel like that'd be strong as hell, not sure.

[NoctiZ]

Also for reasons of protecting SJ I will not claim the third person. Me being known is already a danger to SJ. But atleast his claim should be believed now.

[Otakudweeb69]

So our lynch targets should be between wido and stole, unless they both claim to be Team scum!red?

[Otakudweeb69]

Wow ok-- there we go; we've narrowed down todays lynch pool to 3- stealthbomber!merlin, and wido/stole!purple/Morgan and should any of them flip red the targets to sj/noctiz

[Otakudweeb69]

I do agree we need to lynch stealth!Merlin but I think wido/stole are higher priority targets? Because with one of their deaths we either lynch a purple scum or we confirm that SJ and Noctiz are lying

[NoctiZ]

What I think will be relatively easy is finding Merlin and Morgan. They do not give out feedback that they could claim to do in the day chat like "asking to catapult someone" or "giving out a drink". I feel like those are specifically TPR actions. Merlin and Morgan will claim a TPR ability that they cannot confirm most likely so they do not want to out themselves. This is why I suspect PTB of being someone like Merlin or Morgan. And no PTB, we did not have do an action that clears you of suspicion. You misinterpreted what SJ said it seems.

What will be hard is finding the ally of Morgan if they do not lose their ability upon recruitment.

[PowersThatBe]

King Arthur = RLVG
v1. Mayor = GYRlander
Vanilla = Marshmellow
Vanilla = Reemus
Vanilla = Hybrid
Vanilla = Noc
v2. Vassal = Spruance
v3. Vassal = Me
v4. Vassal
v5. Vassal
v6. Vassal
RED = SJ = Morgan
RED
RED
PURPLE
Merlin the Wizard

OR

King Arthur = RLVG
v1. Mayor = GYRlander
Vanilla = Marshmellow
Vanilla = Reemus
Vanilla = Hybrid
Vanilla = Noc
v2. Vassal = Spruance
v3. Vassal = Me
v4. Vassal
v5. Vassal
v6. Vassal
RED = SJ
RED
RED
Merlin the Wizard
Morgan Le Fay

OR

(This would mean NOC is not vanilla)
King Arthur = RLVG
v1. Mayor = GYRlander
Vanilla = Marshmellow
Vanilla = Reemus
Vanilla = Hybrid
v2. Vassal = Spruance
v3. Vassal = Me
v4. Vassal
v5. Vassal
V6. Vassal
PURPLE
PURPLE
RED = SJ
RED
Merlin the Wizard
Morgan Le Fay


King Arthur = RLVG
v1. Mayor = GYRlander
Vanilla = Marshmellow
Vanilla = Reemus
Vanilla = Hybrid
v2. Vassal = Spruance
v3. Vassal = Me
v4. Vassal
v5. Vassal
v6. Vassal
v7. Vassal
RED = SJ Morgan Le Fay
RED
PURPLE
PURPLE
Merlin the Wizard

OR

King Arthur = RLVG
v1. Mayor = GYRlander
Vanilla = Marshmellow
Vanilla = Reemus
Vanilla = Hybrid
Vanilla = Noc
v2. Vassal = Spruance
v3. Vassal = Me
v4. Vassal
v5. Vassal
v6. Vassal
RED = SJ
RED
PURPLE = MORGAN
PURPLE
Merlin the Wizard


There are more combos but I'm tired of this already.

[Otakudweeb69]

Yes but I think: their ability if it stays as what it was as a town would be unable to do anything, so their night action would likely be changed to a kill. In which case we can just wait until someone can't confirm themselves

[PowersThatBe]

Alright, listen up. I did bad because I claimed Vanilla D2. With the quick Vanilla flips I'll reveal my real role. Sorry SJ. I am a member of Red Team Scum.

If I didn't reveal now we would still argue about the role list for a while but the fact is: There are no more spot for Vanillas so I cannot be one. The role list wouldn't make sense otherwise either.

I can 100% confirm SJ to be what he says and that we consist of 3 people. I believe the role list is as PTB says except I still 100% believe that Morgan is the purple team "leader" because converting someone is part of his abilities as RLVG said.

This way we know what the role list has to be. Morgan and Merlin allied doesn't make sense. Morgan converted one of the town roles to his faction by killing the Mayor most likely. If that is a director, I think RLVG said something about that earlier which made me convinced, then someone has been turned now and for balance reasons I'd personally say it's a town role. It COULD be one of my teammates but I feel like that'd be strong as hell, not sure.

Well fuck me. I wasted all that time color coding.

I need to check the thread before I post

[NoctiZ]

Wow ok-- there we go; we've narrowed down todays lynch pool to 3- stealthbomber!merlin, and wido/stole!purple/Morgan and should any of them flip red the targets to sj/noctiz

Not sure if Stealth can be Merlin. It depends on what we're tracking. Stealth has to claim who he used his item on but I doubt it'll be Goatse. If he claims Goatse then lynch him 100%. Also if your drink from today came from RLVG then Goatse was likely roleblocked for real. But he didn't claim his full feedback which is why I asked him to claim.

If everything checks out we might clear Stealth from being Merlin. But it's tough because we don't know if Voss and I tracked his ability or his item use.

[Otakudweeb69]

Noctiz I agree with your line of reasoning; I maintain that the best lynches for today are probably wido/stole for reasons stated above

[Otakudweeb69]

Ah I see where you're getting at-- but it remains that the weakest claim is stealth due to lack of flavor text in his role card

[Voss]

Ah I see where you're getting at-- but it remains that the weakest claim is stealth due to lack of flavor text in his role card

do you have his roleclaim post?

[Otakudweeb69]

Honestly Noctiz if you can I would really just prefer you to say the last member of your team so we're not going on a wild goose chase-- if you're truly scium!red it would basically mean that the evils HAVE to be within town claims/wido/stole, and should wido/stole cc you it would mean the pool is basically one of two teams

[PowersThatBe]

King Arthur = RLVG
v1. Mayor = GYRlander
Vanilla = Marshmellow
Vanilla = Reemus
Vanilla = Hybrid
v2. Vassal = Spruance
v3. Vassal = Me
v4. Vassal
v5. Vassal
v6. Vassal
RED = SJ
RED = NOC
RED
PURPLE MORGAN
PURPLE FORMER VASSAL NOW PURPLE
Merlin the Wizard

Now due to Noc confession, tihs is the new possibility.

[NoctiZ]

Noctiz I agree with your line of reasoning; I maintain that the best lynches for today are probably wido/stole for reasons stated above

Wido didn't claim anything so far right? And there doesn't seem to be anyone who can confirm any feedback they gave.

Also Rachyl didn't claim anything that's able to give out feedback, right?

Mr.Stole didn't either so that's a suspect as you say.

And PTB claims something that doesn't give out feedback. That's 4 possible suspects.

Stealth is a possibility but not sure. We'll find out when Goatse says something I guess.

And Goatse has a weird ability but I'd slot him as TPR for now, otherwise that's too many scum suspects lmao. Goatse needs to claim his full feedback though. @GoatseOntheCupboard

[Otakudweeb69]

I'm on mobile >_< I just remembered he claimed escort, hold on I'll see if I can find it

[NoctiZ]

Honestly Noctiz if you can I would really just prefer you to say the last member of your team so we're not going on a wild goose chase-- if you're truly scium!red it would basically mean that the evils HAVE to be within town claims/wido/stole, and should wido/stole cc you it would mean the pool is basically one of two teams

Don't worry about the third guy. We can direct lynches without making it too obvious.

I feel like wido would be the strongest lynch today. No feedback at all, claimed a provable role that has not given out any feedback so far I believe, didn't claim their role in the end and outright refused so. Seems like the one to go for. Stealth surrounds so much uncertainty and we did track him to the target he claimed. That lessens the certainty with which we can be sure of him being Merlin.

[PowersThatBe]

Wido didn't claim anything so far right? And there doesn't seem to be anyone who can confirm any feedback they gave.

Also Rachyl didn't claim anything that's able to give out feedback, right?

Mr.Stole didn't either so that's a suspect as you say.

And PTB claims something that doesn't give out feedback. That's 4 possible suspects.

Stealth is a possibility but not sure. We'll find out when Goatse says something I guess.

And Goatse has a weird ability but I'd slot him as TPR for now, otherwise that's too many scum suspects lmao. Goatse needs to claim his full feedback though. @GoatseOntheCupboard

Well technically I give out feed back if you try to use abilities on me. No one has tried, I assume.

[PowersThatBe]

also @NoctiZ do you and @SuperJack share a night and or day chat?

[NoctiZ]

At the moment with claims and no claims:

King Arthur = RLVG
v1. Mayor = GYRlander
Vanilla = Marshmellow
Vanilla = Reemus
Vanilla = Hybrid
v2. Vassal = Spruance
v3. Vassal = PTB (mechanics immunity claim (no proof so far but PTB claims it's provable))
v4. Vassal = Stealth (Escort claim)
v5. Vassal = Otaku (Catapult claim)
v6. Vassal = Voss (Architect claim)
v7. Vassal = Goatse (Drink ability claim)
v8. Vassal = Rachyl (no claim)
v9. Vassal = Mr.Stole (no claim)
v10. Vassal = wido (no claim)
RED = SJ
RED = NOC

[NoctiZ]

also @NoctiZ do you and @SuperJack share a night and or day chat?

Only night chat.

[PowersThatBe]

King Arthur = RLVG
v1. Mayor = GYRlander
Vanilla = Marshmellow
Vanilla = Reemus
Vanilla = Hybrid
v2. Vassal = Spruance
v3. Vassal = Me
v4. Vassal = voss
v5. Vassal = okat
v6. Vassal = stealth
RED = SJ
RED = NOC
RED = Rachyl
PURPLE MORGAN = stole
PURPLE FORMER VASSAL NOW PURPLE = goat
Merlin the Wizard = WIDO


My guess at alignments.

[NoctiZ]

Oh wait, wido claimed a grenade giving role right?

This is the claim.

Updated claims:

At the moment with claims and no claims:

King Arthur = RLVG
v1. Mayor = GYRlander
Vanilla = Marshmellow
Vanilla = Reemus
Vanilla = Hybrid
v2. Vassal = Spruance
v3. Vassal = PTB (mechanics immunity claim (no proof so far but PTB claims it's provable))
v4. Vassal = Stealth (Escort claim)
v5. Vassal = Otaku (Catapult claim)
v6. Vassal = Voss (Architect claim)
v7. Vassal = Goatse (Drink ability claim)
v8. Vassal = wido (Item giver ability)
v9. Vassal = Rachyl (no claim)
v10. Vassal = Mr.Stole (no claim)
RED = SJ
RED = NOC

Also I have no clue how wido's ability is supposed to work really.

@widomakr can you explain more in detail, maybe quote your rolecard like the others have been doing?

[PowersThatBe]

At the moment with claims and no claims:

King Arthur = RLVG
v1. Mayor = GYRlander
Vanilla = Marshmellow
Vanilla = Reemus
Vanilla = Hybrid
v2. Vassal = Spruance
v3. Vassal = PTB (mechanics immunity claim (no proof so far but PTB claims it's provable))
v4. Vassal = Stealth (Escort claim)
v5. Vassal = Otaku (Catapult claim)
v6. Vassal = Voss (Architect claim)
v7. Vassal = Goatse (Drink ability claim)
v8. Vassal = Rachyl (no claim)
v9. Vassal = Mr.Stole (no claim)
v10. Vassal = wido (no claim)
RED = SJ
RED = NOC

All I know is that abilities have 0 effect on me. If someone tries to rb me enchant me, or some other ability other than plain ole shoot me dead unless it's from mystical means, I am immune. Whoever did their ability SHOULD get feed back saying they failed to do whatever action to me.

Now, as you guys have said per SJ. i take NO ACTION at night. I know you're not accusing me right now, but to help sort, remember I have done 0 night actions for the past TWO nights, and every faction has acted both nights. So far as we know.

[PowersThatBe]

Oh wait, wido claimed a grenade giving role right?

This is the claim.

Updated claims:



Also I have no clue how wido's ability is supposed to work really.

@widomakr can you explain more in detail, maybe quote your rolecard like the others have been doing?

OH YOU'RE right. And voss confirmed that he received it.

But Wido also said goat had the grenade.

[SuperJack]

@Voss you didn't answer my earlier statement.

[PowersThatBe]

King Arthur = RLVG
v1. Mayor = GYRlander
Vanilla = Marshmellow
Vanilla = Reemus
Vanilla = Hybrid
v2. Vassal = Spruance
v3. Vassal = Me
v4. Vassal = voss
v5. Vassal = okat
v6. Vassal = SB16
RED = SJ
RED = NOC
RED = Rachyl
PURPLE MORGAN = stole
PURPLE FORMER VASSAL NOW PURPLE = WIDO
Merlin the Wizard = GOAT


My guess at alignments.

I believe vassals might still be able to use their abilities when converted to purple team

MAYBE?

[NoctiZ]

Man this is tough. It looks like even the fake claimers can still give out feedback through abilities that are not inherently harmful and thus makes it harder to find out for sure. We also know that Merlin and Morgan have some redacted information that RLVG does not know about.

Like the Architect chat I could see being a Morgan ability to hunt for a director. What is even the flavour text for that?
Stealth's claim was made without flavour text.
Wido's claim was made without flavour text. They are giving out items though which seems fitting with the topic of the game.

Just throwing it out there. This isn't as easy as expected.

[Otakudweeb69]

Sorry I have hwk to do >_< I'll be off for now but honestly stole/wido should be today's lynch

-vote mrstoleurgirl

Is that spelt right
and if we ever lynch a red obviously the lynch targets should shift to Noctiz and SJ
We should probably wait until stole and wido claim, or until end of day, to hammer so we can get every last bit of info we can, but it's basically set in stone that stole is an evil I think

[PowersThatBe]

I believe vassals might still be able to use their abilities when converted to purple team

MAYBE?

but why would merlin have a grenade?

King Arthur = RLVG
v1. Mayor = GYRlander
Vanilla = Marshmellow
Vanilla = Reemus
Vanilla = Hybrid
v2. Vassal = Spruance
v3. Vassal = Me
v4. Vassal = voss
v5. Vassal = GOAT
v6. Vassal = stealth
RED = SJ
RED = NOC
RED = Rachyl
PURPLE MORGAN = stole
PURPLE FORMER VASSAL NOW PURPLE = WIDO
Merlin the Wizard = Okat


My guess at alignments.

maybe?

or

King Arthur = RLVG
v1. Mayor = GYRlander
Vanilla = Marshmellow
Vanilla = Reemus
Vanilla = Hybrid
v2. Vassal = Spruance
v3. Vassal = Me
v4. Vassal = Wido
v5. Vassal = okat
v6. Vassal = stealth
RED = SJ
RED = NOC
RED = Rachyl
PURPLE MORGAN = stole
PURPLE FORMER VASSAL NOW PURPLE = goat
Merlin the Wizard = Voss


My guess at alignments.

And voss is merlin and chose to make a chat with arthur to make himself look town? RLVG did say merlin visited him last night.

@RLVG but didnt you also say he failed?

[Otakudweeb69]

I agree- which is why we list them as suspects; for now it's just stole that hasn't claimed yet right?

Sorry I got too lazy to find the stealth claim >_<

[Otakudweeb69]

PTB your hunt doesn't make sense in that stealth and voss confirmed my catapult cosits and there were kills both days; furthermore I did not visit the targets RLVG said Merlin had

[Otakudweeb69]

Visits*

[Voss]

Ok now for our other information.

@Voss I need your night 1 and 2 information, who you visited, what feedback you got. Also your rolecard.

Your answers will decide if you are lynched today or not.

i only got d2/n2 feedback

[NoctiZ]

All I know is that abilities have 0 effect on me. If someone tries to rb me enchant me, or some other ability other than plain ole shoot me dead unless it's from mystical means, I am immune. Whoever did their ability SHOULD get feed back saying they failed to do whatever action to me.

Now, as you guys have said per SJ. i take NO ACTION at night. I know you're not accusing me right now, but to help sort, remember I have done 0 night actions for the past TWO nights, and every faction has acted both nights. So far as we know.

All SJ said was that one guy in chat claimed that you don't take any action at night. This was however based on your claim during the day. Thus your claim is unprovable so far. We do not have a tracking ability. There has been no one so far that can support your claims. This makes it suspicious.

I suspect with that immunity mechanic you could be Morgan or Merlin. Morgan is the equivalent of RLVG so if RLVG is immune with his vassals then Morgan might be like a Godfather that is immune during the night. Just food for thought.

[Otakudweeb69]

Btw are you spelling it okat just to mess with me? >_<

[RLVG]

Win Conditions:
Majority Faction: You win if the Neutral and Team Scum are eliminated, along with the elimination of at least one Team Scum member.

Team Scum: You win if the Neutral and Team Scum is eliminated. You may win with Majority Faction if the Mayor is eliminated.

There's one thing I find contradictory though.
How can the Majority Faction win with the Red Team Scum if we lynch one member, while the Team Scum has to eliminate Majority Faction Mayor?
I'd understand if Majority Faction would have to lose the Mayor, but it doesn't mention that, and I'd understand if Red Team would lose a member but it doesn't mention that.

[NoctiZ]

Sorry I have hwk to do >_< I'll be off for now but honestly stole/wido should be today's lynch

-vote mrstoleurgirl

Is that spelt right
and if we ever lynch a red obviously the lynch targets should shift to Noctiz and SJ
We should probably wait until stole and wido claim, or until end of day, to hammer so we can get every last bit of info we can, but it's basically set in stone that stole is an evil I think

Remember that we have 48h in the day.

And voss is merlin and chose to make a chat with arthur to make himself look town? RLVG did say merlin visited him last night.

@RLVG but didnt you also say he failed?

I believe this might rule out Voss being Merlin. If Merlin can do both Architect and Enchanting (which he supposedly did on me and RLVG and doing it on RLVG cursed us all) then I don't see him also architecting with RLVG.

[PowersThatBe]

PTB your hunt doesn't make sense in that stealth and voss confirmed my catapult cosits and there were kills both days; furthermore I did not visit the targets RLVG said Merlin had

catapult could be a merlin trick though. Merlin has abilities we don't know about.

This isn't a hard list. I'm literally throwing shit at the wall right now.

I have rachyl as 3rd red. It's quite possible thats wrong (and we wont know) and it changes a lot of stuff.

I also have no way to know who u visited :P

[Otakudweeb69]

Geh how do spell stoles name? I plan on doing hwk once I vote stole who is our best lynch candidate today

I treat it as: the only faction to win should the mayor be eliminated and the full red team alive is the red team
And: should the Majority faction still have their mayor and have killed a red scum the majority faction is the only one to win

[Voss]

the similarity about arthur invulnerability and morgan invulnerability makes me think that SJ is red morgan, but idk why they wouldn't just share it aloud if it were true.

also waiting on that director claim that rlvg talked about