S-FM 216 Spirits

[Mesk514]

I'm really not liking this Firebringer train.

-vote Gyrlander

I see Gyrlander as more scum than SuperJack at this point.

[Mesk514]

You've been 10 times more useless this game than Grylander has ever been any game. You're officially worse than him now.

.... I wouldn't go insulting me banana.

[BananaCucho]

.... I wouldn't go insulting me banana.

I'm critiquing your game. Its been horrible.

[Gyrlander]

??? I'm sorry, can you speak English? I think you've been playing enough mafia to know English Gyrlander.

Gyrlander and SuperJack are clearly scum or mentally challenged.... I'll let PTB choose.

Who gives a flying fuck if I've just been PTBs bitch. I am not the one who day 1 started saying that a policy lynch would be the best way to go. I also haven't been throwing my vote around. As a citizen // tribesman it is my job for the benefit of town to determine who I trust. It was clear to me from day 1 that PTB was town, now if you think I'm scum you're basically saying I've been throwing this whole game. Ive said multiple times that PTB and I are scum and together and I totally advocated that Arrow or SuperJack would be better day 1 lynches. If you have a problem kiss my ass and take it up with the complaint department aka the hosts of this game, because if I was doing completely nothing I would have been replaced by now

Also ots rather hypocritical to talk about how I've been playing when half the time the only thing you can get out of Gyrlander Ives sheep and half grammatically correct sentences.

Someone please slap these people with common sense.

Damn, insulting me and my English. I feel sad that you have to use these methods to defend yourself.

[Mesk514]

I'm critiquing your game. Its been horrible.

Okay well I can say the same about yours... 😂😂
I didn't have an autism attack cause a player reminded me of someone that insulted me. && I didn't feel the need to make the game into a whole example of something//personal vendetta.

[Mesk514]

Damn, insulting me and my English. I feel sad that you have to use these methods to defend yourself.

[BananaCucho]

-unvote

Why is anyone town reading Mesk again?

[Gyrlander]

-unvote

Why is anyone town reading Mesk again?

The question is: Is anyone townreading her?

[SuperJack]

You've been 10 times more useless this game than Grylander has ever been any game. You're officially worse than him now.

Lynch firebringer. If he is town. You get shot

Are you happy with this plan?

[BananaCucho]

Lynch firebringer. If he is town. You get shot

Are you happy with this plan?

This is a false dilemma. Explain how this makes sense.

[SuperJack]

The only person I'm confident that is town is PTB. The rest are placed in different places on the scale.

Shame we don't have an informative d2 lynch to Analise.

[BananaCucho]

The question is: Is anyone townreading her?

I know several people that have labeled her town but all of her votes are sheep votes except this vote against you which is OMGUS

[SuperJack]

This is a false dilemma. Explain how this makes sense.

You agree fb is scum, and so do I.
People claim you are scummy.

Surely one of you are going to be scum right? Or do you think FB has a chance of being town.

Also, this is why PTBs play has been terrible, by constantly asking for sheep votes, we have a lot less information than normal, and people think that as long as they suck up to the spammer they will be safe.

[SuperJack]

We need to check back at who quick has been reading. And who he was scum reading.

[Mesk514]

I know several people that have labeled her town but all of her votes are sheep votes except this vote against you which is OMGUS

Fuck you, who the Fuck are you to say my vote on gyrlander is an OMGUS vote. My vote on him is based on the fact that he's literally been flip-flopping like a fish out of water all game. It's funny to say that I'm the one that's sheeping when gyrlander has been sucking on bananas asshole since day 1. Following his queen. && don't even make me get into the irony of that.

[PowersThatBe]

Arrow (6 [L-0]): BananaCucho, Stereo, Firebringer, Quick, PowersThatBe, Mesk514
Unknown1234 (1 [L-5]): SuperJack
Firebringer (1 [L-5]): Arrow

no vote: Gyrlander, yzb. Unknown

AnassRhamur (7 [L-0]): deathworlds, BananaCucho, Stereo, SuperJack, Gyrlander, Unknown1234, Arrow
SuperJack (4 [L-3]): PowersThatBe, Firebringer, Mesk514, AnassRhamur

Day1: Me, Mesk, Unknown, and DW all voted to lynch Arrow. FB pulled votes to SJ.
Day2: Arrow voted for FB, also, both SJ and Banana pushed for FB lynches post pre and post Arrow reveal. Both voted for Arrow though, and SJ canceled vote to not get early hammer/pull votes to another scum target to have arrow shot. Although, SJ spent little time pushing an actual target. Banana pushed FB.

Gyrlander pushed no one as I remember.

Mesk has been voting with me consistently since Day 1, even on arrow which that vote could/and possibly would have gone through if FB did not push to go SJ route and I fought harder for arrow.

[BananaCucho]

You agree fb is scum, and so do I.
People claim you are scummy.

Surely one of you are going to be scum right? Or do you think FB has a chance of being town.

Also, this is why PTBs play has been terrible, by constantly asking for sheep votes, we have a lot less information than normal, and people think that as long as they suck up to the spammer they will be safe.

I think fire is scum but there's no evidence that one or the other is scum vs town. We could both be town or both be scum.

Its more likely that you vs fire is a tvs given that if he's town he could have been pulling town votes from one scum to another. The whole reason I have a scum read on him was because he saved a scum day 1 by creating a counter wagon on you but if he's town that was just him making a mistake with no manipulative intent which puts you back in question.

[PowersThatBe]

You agree fb is scum, and so do I.
People claim you are scummy.

Surely one of you are going to be scum right? Or do you think FB has a chance of being town.

Also, this is why PTBs play has been terrible, by constantly asking for sheep votes, we have a lot less information than normal, and people think that as long as they suck up to the spammer they will be safe.

Nah, my play is fine. You're always quick with the insult but slow with the actual doing anything. I asked for 1 sheep vote and it was on Arrow.

And Mesk has made it clear she is voting with me, and she's voted scum targets.

You're tunneling FB at this time which is a terrible game move imo, because Arrow tried to push lynches on him and stereo, since stereo flipped green, I have to naturally assume arrow was not busing. If that is true, then FB is more than likely green.

My play got us 1/3 of the scum, what have you contributed exactly?

[PowersThatBe]

I think fire is scum but there's no evidence that one or the other is scum vs town. We could both be town or both be scum.

Its more likely that you vs fire is a tvs given that if he's town he could have been pulling town votes from one scum to another. The whole reason I have a scum read on him was because he saved a scum day 1 by creating a counter wagon on you but if he's town that was just him making a mistake with no manipulative intent which puts you back in question.

TBH Sj and arrow both could have been scum, and FB just read jack as more scummier than arrow, because arrow could have been read as just novice. This is the problem with SJ's thinking.

[Mesk514]

By the way, I'm pretty sure the only vote gyrlander has even casted this game is on me 😂😂

[Mesk514]

Oh no, and on thug... cause he was following "the queen"

[Mesk514]

Would you look at that, Gyrlander followed the policy lynch but not the CCd vigi... wow.... and I'm scummy

[PowersThatBe]

So my reads are still somewhat uncertain, but...here we go.

PowersThatBe: VI
BananaCucho: Town leader, pretty much.
stereo: Hammered when Rhamur hadn't commented yet, and ending discussion early. Scum.
firebringer: Lurking, and didn't push on Rhamur. Maybe he knew we were off-mark?

Everything else, I don't know, or has been stated before me.

In any case, it's after 2. I'm out.

-vote Stereo

Because of the reasons I stated earlier, and him daring me to do it.

-vote Firebringer

I think he's scum because he keeps throwing shade on me, and seems to be suspecting Banana too. I can't be 100% certain of anyone's role but my own, but I really think Banana is town.

I don't know how else to explain it, but I've got a scum vibe from him. He also wasn't on the Rhamur mislynch yesterday, and, well. I think maybe he knew something we didn't.

Firebringer has directly accused me of being Scum, post #1201. I'm NOT scum, just playing poorly, and its scum behavior to pick off weak players they think will be easy to lynch. Seriously, he jumped on that lynchtrain on me that Banana said went too fast.

Unless arrow decided to switch up his strat and begin busing FB, I am doubtful in the FB scum. Seems arrow was trying to keep attention off mates.

[Mesk514]

Unless arrow decided to switch up his strat and begin busing FB, I am doubtful in the FB scum. Seems arrow was trying to keep attention off mates.

PTB, I think you should let me lead this one. I think I bring a valid point.

[PowersThatBe]

The only person I'm confident that is town is PTB. The rest are placed in different places on the scale.

Shame we don't have an informative d2 lynch to Analise.

we actually have 4 people who didn't vote confirmed scum and we have 6 who did. We could easily take the time to analyze 3 of the no votes and their interactions with Arrow. (Given you were 4th.) We could even analyze 4 of the arrow votes since two of them were town that died.

[PowersThatBe]

PTB, I think you should let me lead this one. I think I bring a valid point.

Sure, go for it.

[PowersThatBe]

Also, if you're going to call Mesk's signature into question about her stating she's always town. If you do the math, 80% of the time she is town. That's where it comes from. Out of 15 games she's only been scum 3 times.

@Gyrlander

[BananaCucho]

TBH Sj and arrow both could have been scum, and FB just read jack as more scummier than arrow, because arrow could have been read as just novice. This is the problem with SJ's thinking.

Yes this was the stance I took day 1 regarding Arrow which is why it made sense. FB was grilling Arrow more before that however.

I am open to re thinking this. Mostly I want to see what fire says

[Mesk514]

Sure, go for it.

Okay so first you put the penis here 😂😂😂
Jkjk
No but in all seriousness I don't think banana is scum and I don't think firebringer is scum either.... Gyrlander on the other hand had no problem following his queen on a mislynch and still said the next day that banana is his queen even though he didn't wanna place a vote on a CCd vigi... I mean come on...

[PowersThatBe]

If you were scum, you would night kill me, yes or no?
I voted Stereo because I think he was scum thinking he can coast, which is funny cause thats what your accusing me of doing. Though I think Arrow is a scum coasting too.

I wouldn't be suprised if this game was: Stereo, Arrow, Mesk.
Though honestly think Mesk is probably town.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post653244

Post #1201 with link above.

[BananaCucho]

Also, if you're going to call Mesk's signature into question about her stating she's always town. If you do the math, 80% of the time she is town. That's where it comes from. Out of 15 games she's only been scum 3 times.

@Gyrlander

lol that has nothing to do with anything. Prior instances of her being scum or town hold no weight in an independent and (I'm assuming) random decision. She has the same probability of rolling scum as the rest of us.

[Mesk514]

Also, if you're going to call Mesk's signature into question about her stating she's always town. If you do the math, 80% of the time she is town. That's where it comes from. Out of 15 games she's only been scum 3 times.

@Gyrlander

Wow. Can I please marry you.

[PowersThatBe]

Yes this was the stance I took day 1 regarding Arrow which is why it made sense. FB was grilling Arrow more before that however.

I am open to re thinking this. Mostly I want to see what fire says

Yes, I agree. Fire was pressuring Arrow a lot day one. I am curious about the SJ factor of this game. While there is strategy to his method, it was risky. Only someone who was 100% certain Arrow was not Alpha Wolf would really push that agenda. To me from a town perspective it seems like he might have been a way to get voting pattern analysis.

However from a scum perspective, it could also be a way to try and mislynch someone, hoping to get the real vigi or some other important town role and waste the next days lynch on Arrow if the vigi decided not to shoot him for some reason.

[PowersThatBe]

Wow. Can I please marry you.

Get a big black strap on and I'm all yours.

[Mesk514]

Get a big black strap on and I'm all yours.

Fuck for that comment i'll shove my whole fist up your ass if that's what gets you going. Cause that comment was filled with so much common sense it stimulated me so hard it just came at an airport. Thank you.

[Gyrlander]

Fuck you, who the Fuck are you to say my vote on gyrlander is an OMGUS vote. My vote on him is based on the fact that he's literally been flip-flopping like a fish out of water all game. It's funny to say that I'm the one that's sheeping when gyrlander has been sucking on bananas asshole since day 1. Following his queen. && don't even make me get into the irony of that.

Are you serious? I have been flip-flopping? When, if I may know? I'm pretty sure I can give a solid answer to your accusations. And are you really extending the D2 START when I said Banana was my queen, etc. as if I was Zagara to THE WHOLE GAME when I voted her D1 because I got extremely mad at her? Please, stop throwing shit out of your mouth.

[PowersThatBe]

lol that has nothing to do with anything. Prior instances of her being scum or town hold no weight in an independent and (I'm assuming) random decision. She has the same probability of rolling scum as the rest of us.

Sure, I understand that. But Gyrlander was making a case that she's not confirmed town based on the fact that her claim to "always being town." were inaccurate, but if you look at it. And if all things being equal and random, and she has a 1 in 13 chance of being scum or an 8% (7.69%) and given her history of rolling town 80% of the time, I'd air on the side of caution, with using a signature as a means to determine a persons truthfulness and ultimately their alignment.

I'd go more with voting patterns. She read me as a strong town read and has voted with me on every vote. Even if they were confirmed scum (Arrow). She's claimed tribesperson. Filling one of the final spots, if people do not CC this claim (with overflowing the total values) I have to assume her behavior is towny based on how she has voted this game, sheep or not.

If we took a closer look at gyrlander, could you make a strong case for him to be town? A stronger case than mesk?

[Gyrlander]

Also, if you're going to call Mesk's signature into question about her stating she's always town. If you do the math, 80% of the time she is town. That's where it comes from. Out of 15 games she's only been scum 3 times.

@Gyrlander

lol that has nothing to do with anything. Prior instances of her being scum or town hold no weight in an independent and (I'm assuming) random decision. She has the same probability of rolling scum as the rest of us.

As I see that Banana has already stated THE OBVIOUS, I won't respond to that pathetic comment.

[Mesk514]

As I see that Banana has already stated THE OBVIOUS, I won't respond to that pathetic comment.

See he's literally sheeping the Fuck outta someone that was responsible for a mislynch.

[Gyrlander]

I just had a quick read of Mesk most recent posts and I just won't answer because I don't want to over-post responding shitty things as "I voted AS because I was following "MY QUEEN" when on Day 1 I was kinda angry with Banana (dem fee-fees) and I just voted Thug because he wasn't doing shit and I expected him to continue.

[Gyrlander]

See he's literally sheeping the Fuck outta someone that was responsible for a mislynch.

What do you mean by sheeping? Thanking Banana for being a normal person?

[Mesk514]

What do you mean by sheeping? Thanking Banana for being a normal person?

I wouldn't really call banana normal. I don't think anyone in this community is normal.

Anyways I'm out. Will check back in when I'm in Toronto.

[PowersThatBe]

Claim and alive:

Tribesman: Me, SJ, Mesk.


Dead and Confirmed:

Quick: Tribesman
AR: Tribesman
Stereo: Tribesman
DW: Mage
Arrow: Wolf

Alive and No Claim:

Gyrlander
Yzb
Banana
Unknown
FB

Possible roles left: (1) Spiritualist (Sheriff), (1) Hunter (Vigilante), (1) Miller (Spirit) -- (1) Alpha Wolf, (1) Beta Wolf.


Filled Roles:

(6) Tribesman: Me, SJ, Mesk, Quick, Stereo, and AR
(1) Omega Wolf: Arrow


So everyone who is not us 3 (sj, mesk, me) is TPR or scum. UNLESS, one of you claims Tribesman, then we would know it is probably between Mesk, sj and x number of new citizen claims.

[PowersThatBe]

As I see that Banana has already stated THE OBVIOUS, I won't respond to that pathetic comment.

"Pathetic comment" -- my point was my using her signature to prove her alignment is as pointless as you doing it, so stop. K?

Do you have anything to contribute to this game?

Mesk at least has a reason to not post as frequently, you've posted none-sense. So, what's your role?

[BananaCucho]

Claim and alive:

Tribesman: Me, SJ, Mesk.


Dead and Confirmed:

Quick: Tribesman
AR: Tribesman
Stereo: Tribesman
DW: Mage
Arrow: Wolf

Alive and No Claim:

Gyrlander
Yzb
Banana
Unknown
FB

Possible roles left: (1) Spiritualist (Sheriff), (1) Hunter (Vigilante), (1) Miller (Spirit) -- (1) Alpha Wolf, (1) Beta Wolf.


Filled Roles:

(6) Tribesman: Me, SJ, Mesk, Quick, Stereo, and AR
(1) Omega Wolf: Arrow


So everyone who is not us 3 (sj, mesk, me) is TPR or scum. UNLESS, one of you claims Tribesman, then we would know it is probably between Mesk, sj and x number of new citizen claims.

You're forgetting that the Miller receives the Tribesman rolecard

[Firebringer]

This game has horrible timing.
I thought day would start on Monday, I am about to drive for 8 hours abd won't be available rest of day. Won't be available tomorrow either..

>.>

[Firebringer]

@Empathy can we get 24 hour extension?

[BananaCucho]

This game has horrible timing.
I thought day would start on Monday, I am about to drive for 8 hours abd won't be available rest of day. Won't be available tomorrow either..

>.>

Could you quickly say who you think is suspicious? And who you town read?

[Firebringer]

These are little thoughts I have right now just on seeing flip:
Shock that stereo was town.
Quick kill isn't shocking if PTB wasn't previously strong town he is basically comfy at this point.


Ehhh my thoughts on reads are Bananacucho is still leaning town for me but not strongly given she was pushing me as counter for arrow. SuperJack I am sure is scum but I am definitely biased on that by this point.

Mesk and Grylander are both up in the air for me, I think Mesk give no fucks attitude is more townie from her than scum unfortunate to say.

Grylander is null
Unknown is null

I gotta go now, bye

[Firebringer]

-vote Superjack

Also think yzb is potential good lynch but given stereo kind of unsure. 8i had those two tied together in my mind.