S-FM 227 Lady Gaga

[PowersThatBe]

They have the ability to play 2 on the rest of the world through the day.

[PowersThatBe]

Here's my issue.

I dont think whad can be lady gaga because why would POD get replaced out, there would have to be no night action submitted.

I was going to suggest that maybe the lawyer is fan and whad is gaga and he's busing the lawyer to paint someone else as gaga so when she reveals tomorrow he can be like AHA!

IDk, did day start on time?

[Whad]

Sinon and The Lawyer both avoid interacting with each other.

The Lawyer Interactions

Day 1:
Suntax: 7
Trine: 3
Fury: 12
Unknown1234: 1
Ccantman: 1
Pod/whad: 1
TBP: 1
Twenty Two: 1
Sinon: 0

Day 2:
Fury: 10
TwentyTwo: 6
Ccantman: 1
Suntax: 3
Trine: 1
Whad: 1
Unknown1234: 0
Sinon: 0
TBP: 0

[Whad]

Well you actually answered my point. I think the lawyer scum slipped. I mean I only put the text at SIZE 7. Where she basically calls all of us town and doesn't include herself.
@Whad

Yeah I mean it's pretty much a given at this point that The Lawyer got fanned.

Scum share a day chat, do we really think they'd have 0 interactions?

I think newbscum would forget to interact with their scum partner.

[Whad]

Here's my issue.

I dont think whad can be lady gaga because why would POD get replaced out, there would have to be no night action submitted.

I was going to suggest that maybe the lawyer is fan and whad is gaga and he's busing the lawyer to paint someone else as gaga so when she reveals tomorrow he can be like AHA!

IDk, did day start on time?

Ok let's just ignore myself, Fury, Trine, and ccantman for today.

Assume The Lawyer got fanned.

Of Suntax, Sinon, and Twenty Two, who do we lynch?

I'd rather do Sinon over Twenty Two over Suntax but would compromise vote on any of those 3.

[Sinon]

Here's my issue.

I dont think whad can be lady gaga because why would POD get replaced out, there would have to be no night action submitted.

I was going to suggest that maybe the lawyer is fan and whad is gaga and he's busing the lawyer to paint someone else as gaga so when she reveals tomorrow he can be like AHA!

IDk, did day start on time?

I had the same hesitation, but Whad is really out-doing themself to look scum. Not to mention the not answering my question, Whad also recently posited that consistency doesn't matter anymore? Does that sound like the Whad we know? They went through like 5 different scum reads (me, you, Lawyer, Fury, suntax) in the span of an hour with no explanation of justification for the hopping. Whad seems to be playing reactively, though trying to keep that hidden under strategic ignoring of some people/questions and quick-footed pivoting with the next accusation they wanna hurl. This play is very unlike Whad.

[Whad]

Ok let's just ignore myself, Fury, Trine, and ccantman for today.

Assume The Lawyer got fanned.

Of Suntax, Sinon, and Twenty Two, who do we lynch?

I'd rather do Sinon over Twenty Two over Suntax but would compromise vote on any of those 3.

Here, The Lawyer could be bussing Twenty Two knowing that Twenty's train wasn't really happening at least at the start of the day.
Sinon and Suntax were both on Fury with me and our general opinion is that a scum would be on his train?

Actually... I kind of want Twenty Two ESPECIALLY since The Lawyer is voting him. When The Lawyer flips fan, it makes Twenty Two look like the gaga/fan mislynch target. Also, The Lawyer voted Twenty Two at a time when his train wasn't really happening. This also reminds me of the game ika won as cult leader when ika coached his converts to keep going for him in the day thread. It just seems like The Lawyer is doing a poor job of acting normal about it.

-vote Twenty Two

[PowersThatBe]

Ok let's just ignore myself, Fury, Trine, and ccantman for today.

Assume The Lawyer got fanned.

Of Suntax, Sinon, and Twenty Two, who do we lynch?

I'd rather do Sinon over Twenty Two over Suntax but would compromise vote on any of those 3.

I see sinon slightly more town than suntax, but maybe that's how gaga would play?

[PowersThatBe]

Here, The Lawyer could be bussing Twenty Two knowing that Twenty's train wasn't really happening at least at the start of the day.
Sinon and Suntax were both on Fury with me and our general opinion is that a scum would be on his train?

Actually... I kind of want Twenty Two ESPECIALLY since The Lawyer is voting him. When The Lawyer flips fan, it makes Twenty Two look like the gaga/fan mislynch target. Also, The Lawyer voted Twenty Two at a time when his train wasn't really happening. This also reminds me of the game ika won as cult leader when ika coached his converts to keep going for him in the day thread. It just seems like The Lawyer is doing a poor job of acting normal about it.

-vote Twenty Two

oh shit.

[PowersThatBe]

I had the same hesitation, but Whad is really out-doing themself to look scum. Not to mention the not answering my question, Whad also recently posited that consistency doesn't matter anymore? Does that sound like the Whad we know? They went through like 5 different scum reads (me, you, Lawyer, Fury, suntax) in the span of an hour with no explanation of justification for the hopping. Whad seems to be playing reactively, though trying to keep that hidden under strategic ignoring of some people/questions and quick-footed pivoting with the next accusation they wanna hurl. This play is very unlike Whad.

Yeah but we town read whad at a time when he was scum. So actually this level of play reminds me of a town who is just trying to make sense of everything.

Scum would be more careful about throwing votes with reckless abandon. imo.

[Sinon]

Sinon and The Lawyer both avoid interacting with each other.

The Lawyer Interactions

Day 1:
Suntax: 7
Trine: 3
Fury: 12
Unknown1234: 1
Ccantman: 1
Pod/whad: 1
TBP: 1
Twenty Two: 1
Sinon: 0

Day 2:
Fury: 10
TwentyTwo: 6
Ccantman: 1
Suntax: 3
Trine: 1
Whad: 1
Unknown1234: 0
Sinon: 0
TBP: 0

A specious statistic. I'm sure fully a quarter of these 'interactions' would be zero among all of us. You talk to Unknown yet, for instance? Whad continues to try to pivot with tenuous connections.

[PowersThatBe]

@Whad I definitely agree that the lawyer is most likely fanned and is throwing shade at her partner.

And fuck your shit makes sense because as I pointed out, the lawyer was going up and down about how 22 was gaga but the whole time she was painting fury as the scum and I said in that post that it makes the reader scum read fury and NOT 22.

[Whad]

oh shit.

Were you in the ika cult leader game? Was twenty two? Would either of them have read it?

[PowersThatBe]

-vote twenty two

Well in my hypothesis of him and ccantman being teammates it makes sense that he's fan. But given that it's quite possible the lawyer is the fan and 22 is gaga, the lawyer shielded him. Read my post in responses to the lawyers post to fully understand this vote. I also need to give @ccantman the benefit of the doubt. HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WHO SAW FURY AS POTENTIAL SK IN APRIL FOOLS AND I DIDNT FUCKING LISTEN.

Ccantman, I'm sorry.

[Sinon]

Ok let's just ignore myself, Fury, Trine, and ccantman for today.

Assume The Lawyer got fanned.

Of Suntax, Sinon, and Twenty Two, who do we lynch?

I'd rather do Sinon over Twenty Two over Suntax but would compromise vote on any of those 3.

We're not assuming a goddamn motherfucking thing. Nice try again, but you're not going to surreptitiously direct the convo down a path where you try to dismiss four people, including yourself, out of hand and ask which of the remain three we lynch. Pernicously suggestive language. Why did you flip-flop back to town-reading Trine anyway? You seemed to be scum-reading them pretty hard just a little while ago and now, poof, suddenly it's more strategic to have pivoted to someone else.

[PowersThatBe]

Were you in the ika cult leader game? Was twenty two? Would either of them have read it?

I wasnt in it nor did I read it.

it was during my fm hiatus.

But, I did engage with the post game.

[PowersThatBe]

We're not assuming a goddamn motherfucking thing. Nice try again, but you're not going to surreptitiously direct the convo down a path where you try to dismiss four people, including yourself, out of hand and ask which of the remain three we lynch. Pernicously suggestive language. Why did you flip-flop back to town-reading Trine anyway? You seemed to be scum-reading them pretty hard just a little while ago and now, poof, suddenly it's more strategic to have pivoted to someone else.

be careful. remember stereo LOL

[PowersThatBe]

@Whad why am I no longer a fan suspect?

[Sinon]

@Whad I definitely agree that the lawyer is most likely fanned and is throwing shade at her partner.

And fuck your shit makes sense because as I pointed out, the lawyer was going up and down about how 22 was gaga but the whole time she was painting fury as the scum and I said in that post that it makes the reader scum read fury and NOT 22.

I'd caution drinking Whad's koolaid. You've been by far the most thorough in going through old posts, etc. to try to scumhunt and piece together a narrative, which is admirable, but as it happened, none of us was really sold on it before. So, you might naturally want to keep digging or think harder about everything to REALLY figure it out, and you mostly have, so I would NOT be surprised if Whad realized this and thought it'd be useful to try to incept the seed of an idea in your (fertile) mind that grows into you clearing them.

[Whad]

We're not assuming a goddamn motherfucking thing. Nice try again, but you're not going to surreptitiously direct the convo down a path where you try to dismiss four people, including yourself, out of hand and ask which of the remain three we lynch. Pernicously suggestive language. Why did you flip-flop back to town-reading Trine anyway? You seemed to be scum-reading them pretty hard just a little while ago and now, poof, suddenly it's more strategic to have pivoted to someone else.

Ok if you had to pick 4 people to townread then who would they be? I just picked those 4 since I'm pretty sure that general consensus is at least townleaning on some of: myself, Fury, Trine, and ccantman

I guess I'm also forgetting unknown1234. This slot is playing more lurky than i would like, but we can revisit D3 I guess if we don't hit gaga with 22.

[Sinon]

be careful. remember stereo LOL

LOL yes. For shame. But Whad is quite a different player from Stereo.

[Whad]

@Whad why am I no longer a fan suspect?

Because your play is pretty consistent with a town ptb. I also think all evidence is pointing to The Lawyer/22 at the moment. If you flip fan in the graveyard tomorrow I will need to reconsider everything.

[Mesk514]

okay im here, ask me q's and shit

[PowersThatBe]

I'd caution drinking Whad's koolaid. You've been by far the most thorough in going through old posts, etc. to try to scumhunt and piece together a narrative, which is admirable, but as it happened, none of us was really sold on it before. So, you might naturally want to keep digging or think harder about everything to REALLY figure it out, and you mostly have, so I would NOT be surprised if Whad realized this and thought it'd be useful to try to incept the seed of an idea in your (fertile) mind that grows into you clearing them.

You're right.

-unvote

I'm fucking exhausted. Whad is all over the place. Idk, 22 might be gaga, but I didnt see it earlier. Its 3:30 am.

[Sinon]

Ok if you had to pick 4 people to townread then who would they be? I just picked those 4 since I'm pretty sure that general consensus is at least townleaning on some of: myself, Fury, Trine, and ccantman

I guess I'm also forgetting unknown1234. This slot is playing more lurky than i would like, but we can revisit D3 I guess if we don't hit gaga with 22.

STILL trying to dupe more info out of me without putting up any scratch first. Amazing.

[Whad]

I'd caution drinking Whad's koolaid. You've been by far the most thorough in going through old posts, etc. to try to scumhunt and piece together a narrative, which is admirable, but as it happened, none of us was really sold on it before. So, you might naturally want to keep digging or think harder about everything to REALLY figure it out, and you mostly have, so I would NOT be surprised if Whad realized this and thought it'd be useful to try to incept the seed of an idea in your (fertile) mind that grows into you clearing them.

You're free to townread me or scumread me. This exchange is actually making me townread you a bit more, Sinon. I don't know if you as scum would be as aggressive about discrediting me since Gaga has to play nice and get to the endgame with enough friends not to get lynched.

[PowersThatBe]

I'm gonna put it like this.

Once I go to bed. It is very unlikely I will be back to vote EOD.

So I will not vote anyone to not be accused of pushing a mislynch.

I will try very hard to check in on my break. I will push a vote if there's good enough case.

CAN I ASK EVERYONE A FAVOR?

@ me on ALL posts you want me to see tomorrow to make an informed decision. (fury if you spam this I swear to god)

I want to contribute, but work is fucking my life RN.

[PowersThatBe]

You're free to townread me or scumread me. This exchange is actually making me townread you a bit more, Sinon. I don't know if you as scum would be as aggressive about discrediting me since Gaga has to play nice and get to the endgame with enough friends not to get lynched.

I'm actually town leaning him more.

[Sinon]

You're free to townread me or scumread me. This exchange is actually making me townread you a bit more, Sinon. I don't know if you as scum would be as aggressive about discrediting me since Gaga has to play nice and get to the endgame with enough friends not to get lynched.

Hmm. Backing off of me a bit, but who might you pivot to next? I guess I'll reflect on it after some sleep - sleepiness is making me a little extra spicy anyhow. Later, ladies!

[Sinon]

I'm gonna put it like this.

Once I go to bed. It is very unlikely I will be back to vote EOD.

So I will not vote anyone to not be accused of pushing a mislynch.

I will try very hard to check in on my break. I will push a vote if there's good enough case.

CAN I ASK EVERYONE A FAVOR?

@ me on ALL posts you want me to see tomorrow to make an informed decision. (fury if you spam this I swear to god)

I want to contribute, but work is fucking my life RN.

Will do

[Whad]

Dude just look at this and tell me this doesn't scream coordinated scum that have a daychat:

I would have chosen Fury and so did lady gaga I believe.

I have not been converted and to prove this I now claim my final D1 vote on TwentyTwo where I voted him because I concluded that he was Lady Gaga. In the post where I voted him I said that I would be voting him until the end of the game which I will indeed do until I get converted, because he is the evil Pikachu aka lady gaga and therefore needs to die.

-vote TwentyTwo

imo this is where the votes should go today. In case town fails to lynch the evil pikachu today, then we should at least lynch Fury because he has very likely been converted and he is a zombie.

A lynch on fury is just plain wrong. He isn't lady gogo. I know his playing style and he isn't the main scum.

I made a nice ISO of Fury on D1 where it can be seen that on D1 he made multiple claims at knowing who lady gaga was in fact he was even threatening to reveal it several times. He could have been bluffing but I think he wasn't, he knew who lady gaga was and thought that lady gaga couldn't be lynched D1 therefore he posted hints at it which he could claim on D2 if he doesn't get converted.

wait I'm going to find the post

This is some stupid shit. He was obviously trolling, there were no strong reads. Then you make a book long post about the most retarded conspiracy I've read. Hell did you even think about that he could of started a lynch on me if there was already a vote on me, and people didn't like me already Day 1. A lynch on me was very possible, with enough gasoline. The only thing you probably do have correct, he probably is a fan.

Pikachu out bitchesAttachment 22584

This sounds like Lawyer is throwing weak shade at 22 and calling him gaga, but asking people to vote Fury who she thinks is fanned (like Trine pointed out). I think this exchange about Fury was also fabricated in the scum day chat since they can have an interaction and 22 gets townpoints for not wanting to hop on the Fury mislynch while The Lawyer is doing what the fan is supposed to do by trying to add steam to a townie ML.

You guys read it. You guys decide. I'm not gonna be around near EOD so I'm gonna keep my vote here on 22. Will be interesting to see how the Lawyer responds to additional votes on 22.

[Whad]

uhhhh

-vote TwentyTwo

[PowersThatBe]

Reads list:

Potential town:

1. Whad- Slightly all over the place. However, scum whad is much more methodical, and creepy. This whad seems very lost in a sea of 0 info.
2. Sinion- Went from a slight scum read to a slight town read. He is still voting fury though, so Idk how that interaction is working.
3. Unknown1234 - I always inherently town read this slot, but, I'll admit she has not been pulling her weight this game, and while it doesnt make me scum read her, I have more of a null read. For now, like whad, she gets a pass. I think fan flip tells a more complete story.
4. Fury -Reasons I stated earlier in all of my defenses of him. He is town throwing a gambit, I've done the same. Game respect game.
5. I'm town fuck you.

Null:

1. Ccantman - I cant sort him. I thought he was super scummy and inconsistent. I thought he tunneled me too much earlier. however, he tunneled fury in april fools and was on to something. He also jumped on the real trines vote train in witch which, and he made a good move there. While he's off the mark with me, I see a consistency in his town play behavior that lends itself to him being mostly town in my book. Not enough for me to throw him up there, this is more of a wiping the slate clean, and letting the fan flip inform my reread of day 2 and all of his interactions.

Potential Scum:

1. Suntax Pushed hard for the fury train. Has contributed little to nothing. Has been an obstacle. Has admitted that he's not even reading the game. I don't know if I gaga read him, but it's potential he's an apathetic fan who is just waiting for the opportunity to convert a high priority target.
2. 22: A another potential fan, if I believe ccantman is scum. I dont anymore, so I have to reconsider that 22 is scum, he did hammer yesterdays vote, and has only pushed me. He also posted some awkward paragraph in which he tries to throw ccantman under the bus, it felt artificial at best. At worst it was another attempt by him to "catch someone in a reaction test" ...anyway, it felt so disingenuous that I didn't even bother to respond to it. I like how fury read his insult on ccantman as town though LMAO. He's also been pretty afk for the latter part of this day. He also backed off me pretty quickly when he was so sure he had me in his proverbial crosshairs.
3. The Lawyer: Null read at first, but her long ass post that attempted to "put the target on 22" actual backfired imo and put the target on her. She got so lost in her own narrative that she was blaming fury for masterminding everything. She claims that fury had to be the fan and he had prior knowledge that 22 was gaga, and therefore fury had to be evil. But logically then you would push 22, but the entire post focused on fury, and it seemed like she was making a case to lynch fury. Which is illogical if your vote is on 22 but you're pushing another target, all while saying 22 is gage but here's evidence against fury. It was strange. Then there was the awkward potential scum slip where she tells "you (us) towns people to find the scum" or something to that effect. I find it weird that she pretty much excluded herself from the town.

Meh too tired for this.

[PowersThatBe]

When you're too tired and you forget to format.


Reads list:

Potential town:

1. Whad- Slightly all over the place. However, scum whad is much more methodical, and creepy. This whad seems very lost in a sea of 0 info.
2. Sinion- Went from a slight scum read to a slight town read. He is still voting fury though, so Idk how that interaction is working.
3. Unknown1234 - I always inherently town read this slot, but, I'll admit she has not been pulling her weight this game, and while it doesnt make me scum read her, I have more of a null read. For now, like whad, she gets a pass. I think fan flip tells a more complete story.
4. Fury -Reasons I stated earlier in all of my defenses of him. He is town throwing a gambit, I've done the same. Game respect game.
5. I'm town fuck you.

Null:

1. Ccantman - I cant sort him. I thought he was super scummy and inconsistent. I thought he tunneled me too much earlier. however, he tunneled fury in april fools and was on to something. He also jumped on the real trines vote train in witch which, and he made a good move there. While he's off the mark with me, I see a consistency in his town play behavior that lends itself to him being mostly town in my book. Not enough for me to throw him up there, this is more of a wiping the slate clean, and letting the fan flip inform my reread of day 2 and all of his interactions.

Potential Scum:

1. Suntax Pushed hard for the fury train. Has contributed little to nothing. Has been an obstacle. Has admitted that he's not even reading the game. I don't know if I gaga read him, but it's potential he's an apathetic fan who is just waiting for the opportunity to convert a high priority target.

2. 22: A another potential fan, if I believe ccantman is scum. I dont anymore, so I have to reconsider that 22 is scum, he did hammer yesterdays vote, and has only pushed me. He also posted some awkward paragraph in which he tries to throw ccantman under the bus, it felt artificial at best. At worst it was another attempt by him to "catch someone in a reaction test" ...anyway, it felt so disingenuous that I didn't even bother to respond to it. I like how fury read his insult on ccantman as town though LMAO. He's also been pretty afk for the latter part of this day. He also backed off me pretty quickly when he was so sure he had me in his proverbial crosshairs.

3. The Lawyer: Null read at first, but her long ass post that attempted to "put the target on 22" actual backfired imo and put the target on her. She got so lost in her own narrative that she was blaming fury for masterminding everything. She claims that fury had to be the fan and he had prior knowledge that 22 was gaga, and therefore fury had to be evil. But logically then you would push 22, but the entire post focused on fury, and it seemed like she was making a case to lynch fury. Which is illogical if your vote is on 22 but you're pushing another target, all while saying 22 is gage but here's evidence against fury. It was strange. Then there was the awkward potential scum slip where she tells "you (us) towns people to find the scum" or something to that effect. I find it weird that she pretty much excluded herself from the town.

Meh too tired for this.

[ccantman]

Ok, I think I caught up. Geez, even if I didn't have a computer problem, so much is posted during sleep time.

Since this didn't seem be answered

Somebody answer my question
is suceeding to a lynch, a mislybch agsinst the town gamethrowing

If I said everybody lynch me, then i flip hater to make a point that I was a hater all along as a form of tribute lynch, is that gamethrowing?

Depends on the day. Day 1, mislynch is pro town.

Getting lynched to prove a point, I don't thinkt its gamethrowing, just a bad move. While it helps prove that you were town, your death would prove that. Likewise when someone else flips Fan, it proves you weren't fan. It would only prove your not gaga. Also since this is a 3 strikes and your out game, using one to prove a point wouldn't help either. Our Day 2 lynch should be used to weed out threats. Optimally we hit gaga, second best case is the fan. And then even if we hit a town (hopefully we dont) the clues leading up to that town's death combined with the Fan flip during the night, hopefully will be clues to actually get gaga when we are at 5v2




As far as my reads are concered:

Fury - I do not think he is a Fan. He is either Town or Gaga

Trine- Gaga or Town, not Fan.
So this is how one of your arguments looks.
22 and I vote you.
You then make some defense on why the vote on you is stupid and incorrect.
We unvote you
You then say this unvote is scummy.
So either you didn't want us to unvote you, or you did, but then question when we do.

Unknown - not gaga

Whad- from a meta point of view, is not a fan [why would gaga fan the afk]

22-Has not been active much. Outside always wanting to lynch me. Null/Not Fan

Sinon - Not gaga, fan or town

Lawyer - Based on his constant aim at Fury, he is Not Town. Fury is the easy cop out. Gaga and Fan can focus Fury and get closer to that vote

suntax-I want to say not town for the same reasons as Lawyer, but I think that was trying to get votes off him, so his not town is less than lawyers.


It is at this point I realize 22 now has two votes, so I missed something.

but Given my reads, Lawyer i sthe only one who is not town, so fan or gaga, its the safest for me

-vote The Lawyer

[Fury]

I won't be around for about 5 hours. Unfortunate because I'd rather die than do what I'm about to do (selling my body for coke money)

[The Lawyer]

I added my points above.

Two thoughts. You either are gaga or the fan trying to get fury lynched today because you don't wanna convert him and he's too loose of a cannon for you. And in that instance 22 is your scumpartner because you're putting all of the focus on fury, and none of it on 22 who you suspect to be GaGA. Now your vote is on 22. But most of this was about fury, which makes the reader believe fury might be who you subconsciously want us to read as gaga.

Also, you're two points about "you town players" seems like you divorced yourself from the town. What you should have said was "the rest of you town players."


Second option:

You're still very new to our site and you don't know which way is up yet, and you're throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks. I am more inclined to believe this.

What was day 1 like on your site? Similar to this game, different, and how so?

The above question helps me to sort you a bit better, because right now it seems like you're trying to tie a loose fitting noose around fury's neck, however, different sites basically could be speaking different languages altogether in terms of meta and play and such. I would like to gauge how you are used to reading day one so I can help you sort fury better.

Although, like I said, I will be working the last few hours of EOD and tomorrow I will absolutely not be able to get to my phone. I'm in client meetings all day. I will however get two breaks and one of them should be in the middle of EOD, so I can pop in for 20 mins or less.

That's all I can promise.


Oh and your points about fury "knowing" they only work if he OOGC'd with gaga, otherwise you might want to say he assumes he knows, because like you said, he would have no way to know without actually knowing and if he knew, he needed to replace out. Unless of course he is gaga, but your premise is that he is a fan. So under that pretense, he would be cheating.

So are you accusing him of cheating?

I am not accusing Fury of cheating, maybe you should read my post once again. There is a player on another site that I could myself read accurately in every game that I saw him in (I played with him 3 or 4 times but some of the games that he was playing I was just reading and not participating and I could always tell what he was. That is, until he recently changed his meta. I can't do this with every player or most players but I could do it with this one particular person because every time he played scum his posts looked like he was hiding corpses in a closet. Are you saying that you never saw someone say that they can have a read on someone based on 1 or 2 posts? I did see people say that, on another site. It couldn't have been that strong of a read by Fury after 22 made 2 or 3 posts but he could have still claimed it and dismissed it later if he changed his mind, or confirm it later if he decided to stick with it, after 22 made more post and therefore generated more content. What he did was that he kept confirming the claim after 22 had posted more. You can never 100% know someone's alignment if you're town, but you can have a very strong read and therefore feel that you know someone's alignment and for fuck sake how did you manage to miss his posts where he kept saying that he knew who gaga was. He was the one who was saying who gaga was and not me. I merely pointed out his content. If I wanted to say that he was cheating, then I would say that he was cheating. I'm not speaking Chinese here.

As for you helping me sort fury, I'll see what you have to say about that on D3.

About my D1 on what you call "my site" (I don't even now how people decide which site they belong to if they play on more sites, because now I am playing on this one too and even though personalitycafe is the site where I started to play and played 4 games there, this game here on this site is the first one where I'm actually trying hard and have enough time to play), I already wrote a whole story about that on D1.

In my first game there I was vanilla town it was a big game 22 or 24 players I think, I was still having issues with terminology and mechanics and when I was reading 3 previous games on there before I started playing, I was mostly focused on interactions between players and flips, and I knew that there were night kills but people kept saying NKs instead of night kills and I was too lazy to look up what an NK meant. I also knew that scum had a daychat in most games and assumed that scum always had a daychat and entered my first game with that assumption in mind.

When a VT player fake claimed 3P, I was thinking out loud and posting as I was thinking because that's how I post and I said that I knew that mafia always had a daychat (I assumed that scum always had a daychat because that is stated as a rule in every or almost every game there but actually daychat exists in most of games there and not in all of them so I assumed wrong), but didn't know if 3P had a daychat in that game. This was interpreted as a potential scum slip by a couple of town players but also 2 scum players had shaded me for it D1. I was unprepared for it but what was mostly upsetting me that a player who I was 100% certain was scum (and he was) shaded me for it in a very sneaky way on D1 so I basically kept tunnelling him and the person who I believed was scum with him (that other player was town) for the rest of D1 and whole D2 and ignored pretty much everything else that was going on in the game. I didn't even ask anyone for their reads and questions and a lot of town players found me scummy so I was lynched on D2 with 2 lynches RNGd from a tie of 3 lynches.

On D1 I also asked in the thread what an NK meant after I had a daychat „scum slip“ so I got shaded for that too because some people couldn't believe that I knew about most common scum daychat setup but didn't know what an „NK“ was, even though as amazing as it was I did not know that NK was short for night kill becase I was too lazy to check what it meant when I was reading games before I started playing.

Now if you believe that I am scum in this game, then vote me and try to lynch me. I'm not even upset about you calling me scum here because I believe you're town. I'm voting who I think is lady gaga and should be the #1 lynch. However since it seems that pikachu can't get a chance today, I'll vote Fury now. I am entitled to have my theories about the game and present them here and I don't give 2 shits about you saying that I'm throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks. I'm doing what I believe is the best way to contribute to town winning. If you are not satisfied with my contribution, then take a paper and write my username and a fucking F- below it.

I rate my own contribution to this game as satisfactory and I don't like to be salty so now I will just vote what I believe is the #2 best lynch for town since the #1 best lynch aka 22 lady gaga obviously won't happen today and if Fury doesn't get lynched today then you will at least see that I voted correctly today when he dies on N2.

-vote Fury

With regards to you I have you as a town read mostly because on D1 you told me not to edit in huge capital letters which I believe you wouldn't have done if you were scum because if you were scum then it would be in your best interest that I get modkilled as town. Fury also told me on D1 that editing is the best way to get yourself modkilled therefore he couldn't have been scum on D1.

I have no idea if I'll be around at EoD.

[The Lawyer]

*he was the one who was saying that he knew who gaga was

[Suntax]

@ccantman i think im just really shit at not being scummy every game i have been in I have either looked really scummy ot been afk.
And I have i only been scum once.
oh why oh why did i go for a cult game as my first S-FM from my hiatus.
A lynch today is very useful and if we do mislynch we still hold a no lynch day.
but there is no legitimate train besides fury which I have now pulled from.
soooooooo what to do.

[The Lawyer]

Thank you lord jesus for not being scum yet for at least I don't have to read the whole thread, my glass is always half full bless my undying optimism and extraverted nature, fortunately with being an outwardly oriented person that doesn't like to keep anything inside of myself I don't have to kms while reading this thread

[Suntax]

We got 5 hours till days end

[ccantman]

Are we voting Fury because we think he is a fan, or because we think he is gaga?

If its the former, I do not think it is correct and a no lynch would be better than a town lynch

If its the later, I am fine with that. We get more information between his flip and the fan's flip.

These may seem contradicting, but if we are fan hunting (which we should not be, we should be aiming for gaga) Fury is not the vote.

If we are correctly going after Gaga and think its Fury, then we are going after Gaga.

I just want to confirm the reasoning for the target

[ccantman]

I am not accusing Fury of cheating, maybe you should read my post once again. There is a player on another site that I could myself read accurately in every game that I saw him in (I played with him 3 or 4 times but some of the games that he was playing I was just reading and not participating and I could always tell what he was. That is, until he recently changed his meta. I can't do this with every player or most players but I could do it with this one particular person because every time he played scum his posts looked like he was hiding corpses in a closet. Are you saying that you never saw someone say that they can have a read on someone based on 1 or 2 posts? I did see people say that, on another site. It couldn't have been that strong of a read by Fury after 22 made 2 or 3 posts but he could have still claimed it and dismissed it later if he changed his mind, or confirm it later if he decided to stick with it, after 22 made more post and therefore generated more content. What he did was that he kept confirming the claim after 22 had posted more. You can never 100% know someone's alignment if you're town, but you can have a very strong read and therefore feel that you know someone's alignment and for fuck sake how did you manage to miss his posts where he kept saying that he knew who gaga was. He was the one who was saying who gaga was and not me. I merely pointed out his content. If I wanted to say that he was cheating, then I would say that he was cheating. I'm not speaking Chinese here.

As for you helping me sort fury, I'll see what you have to say about that on D3.

About my D1 on what you call "my site" (I don't even now how people decide which site they belong to if they play on more sites, because now I am playing on this one too and even though personalitycafe is the site where I started to play and played 4 games there, this game here on this site is the first one where I'm actually trying hard and have enough time to play), I already wrote a whole story about that on D1.

In my first game there I was vanilla town it was a big game 22 or 24 players I think, I was still having issues with terminology and mechanics and when I was reading 3 previous games on there before I started playing, I was mostly focused on interactions between players and flips, and I knew that there were night kills but people kept saying NKs instead of night kills and I was too lazy to look up what an NK meant. I also knew that scum had a daychat in most games and assumed that scum always had a daychat and entered my first game with that assumption in mind.

When a VT player fake claimed 3P, I was thinking out loud and posting as I was thinking because that's how I post and I said that I knew that mafia always had a daychat (I assumed that scum always had a daychat because that is stated as a rule in every or almost every game there but actually daychat exists in most of games there and not in all of them so I assumed wrong), but didn't know if 3P had a daychat in that game. This was interpreted as a potential scum slip by a couple of town players but also 2 scum players had shaded me for it D1. I was unprepared for it but what was mostly upsetting me that a player who I was 100% certain was scum (and he was) shaded me for it in a very sneaky way on D1 so I basically kept tunnelling him and the person who I believed was scum with him (that other player was town) for the rest of D1 and whole D2 and ignored pretty much everything else that was going on in the game. I didn't even ask anyone for their reads and questions and a lot of town players found me scummy so I was lynched on D2 with 2 lynches RNGd from a tie of 3 lynches.

On D1 I also asked in the thread what an NK meant after I had a daychat „scum slip“ so I got shaded for that too because some people couldn't believe that I knew about most common scum daychat setup but didn't know what an „NK“ was, even though as amazing as it was I did not know that NK was short for night kill becase I was too lazy to check what it meant when I was reading games before I started playing.

Now if you believe that I am scum in this game, then vote me and try to lynch me. I'm not even upset about you calling me scum here because I believe you're town. I'm voting who I think is lady gaga and should be the #1 lynch. However since it seems that pikachu can't get a chance today, I'll vote Fury now. I am entitled to have my theories about the game and present them here and I don't give 2 shits about you saying that I'm throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks. I'm doing what I believe is the best way to contribute to town winning. If you are not satisfied with my contribution, then take a paper and write my username and a fucking F- below it.

I rate my own contribution to this game as satisfactory and I don't like to be salty so now I will just vote what I believe is the #2 best lynch for town since the #1 best lynch aka 22 lady gaga obviously won't happen today and if Fury doesn't get lynched today then you will at least see that I voted correctly today when he dies on N2.

-vote Fury

With regards to you I have you as a town read mostly because on D1 you told me not to edit in huge capital letters which I believe you wouldn't have done if you were scum because if you were scum then it would be in your best interest that I get modkilled as town. Fury also told me on D1 that editing is the best way to get yourself modkilled therefore he couldn't have been scum on D1.

I have no idea if I'll be around at EoD.

If you think 22 is Gaga, push for 22, not Fury. The fan is not our target

[TwentyTwo]

I'm on vacation right now, so I won't be too active as I'll be in the waters soon. I'll leave my vote on Sinon, I'll probably be able to change it to TheLawyer or Suntax if that is necessary later.

-vote Sinon

[Sinon]

I don't think we're gonna be able to lynch Fury - we're too split. In fact, I wouldn't mind lynching if we delaying lynching him a day. I think our only chance of lynching someone is 22 or Lawyer. I've mildly scum read them the whole game, but 22 seems more likely to be scum. He's hitting that scummy sweet-spot between afking and sauntering back to say a few quick things that don't really move the needle. Can we rally behind one of them?

[Sinon]

-unvote

[Suntax]

I say we go for a lynch, fury is not the target at least for today so we are lynching lawyer or 22, from what I gather.
im just gonna lynch with the town at this point.

[Whad]

I am not accusing Fury of cheating, maybe you should read my post once again. There is a player on another site that I could myself read accurately in every game that I saw him in (I played with him 3 or 4 times but some of the games that he was playing I was just reading and not participating and I could always tell what he was. That is, until he recently changed his meta. I can't do this with every player or most players but I could do it with this one particular person because every time he played scum his posts looked like he was hiding corpses in a closet. Are you saying that you never saw someone say that they can have a read on someone based on 1 or 2 posts? I did see people say that, on another site. It couldn't have been that strong of a read by Fury after 22 made 2 or 3 posts but he could have still claimed it and dismissed it later if he changed his mind, or confirm it later if he decided to stick with it, after 22 made more post and therefore generated more content. What he did was that he kept confirming the claim after 22 had posted more. You can never 100% know someone's alignment if you're town, but you can have a very strong read and therefore feel that you know someone's alignment and for fuck sake how did you manage to miss his posts where he kept saying that he knew who gaga was. He was the one who was saying who gaga was and not me. I merely pointed out his content. If I wanted to say that he was cheating, then I would say that he was cheating. I'm not speaking Chinese here.

As for you helping me sort fury, I'll see what you have to say about that on D3.

About my D1 on what you call "my site" (I don't even now how people decide which site they belong to if they play on more sites, because now I am playing on this one too and even though personalitycafe is the site where I started to play and played 4 games there, this game here on this site is the first one where I'm actually trying hard and have enough time to play), I already wrote a whole story about that on D1.

In my first game there I was vanilla town it was a big game 22 or 24 players I think, I was still having issues with terminology and mechanics and when I was reading 3 previous games on there before I started playing, I was mostly focused on interactions between players and flips, and I knew that there were night kills but people kept saying NKs instead of night kills and I was too lazy to look up what an NK meant. I also knew that scum had a daychat in most games and assumed that scum always had a daychat and entered my first game with that assumption in mind.

When a VT player fake claimed 3P, I was thinking out loud and posting as I was thinking because that's how I post and I said that I knew that mafia always had a daychat (I assumed that scum always had a daychat because that is stated as a rule in every or almost every game there but actually daychat exists in most of games there and not in all of them so I assumed wrong), but didn't know if 3P had a daychat in that game. This was interpreted as a potential scum slip by a couple of town players but also 2 scum players had shaded me for it D1. I was unprepared for it but what was mostly upsetting me that a player who I was 100% certain was scum (and he was) shaded me for it in a very sneaky way on D1 so I basically kept tunnelling him and the person who I believed was scum with him (that other player was town) for the rest of D1 and whole D2 and ignored pretty much everything else that was going on in the game. I didn't even ask anyone for their reads and questions and a lot of town players found me scummy so I was lynched on D2 with 2 lynches RNGd from a tie of 3 lynches.

On D1 I also asked in the thread what an NK meant after I had a daychat „scum slip“ so I got shaded for that too because some people couldn't believe that I knew about most common scum daychat setup but didn't know what an „NK“ was, even though as amazing as it was I did not know that NK was short for night kill becase I was too lazy to check what it meant when I was reading games before I started playing.

Now if you believe that I am scum in this game, then vote me and try to lynch me. I'm not even upset about you calling me scum here because I believe you're town. I'm voting who I think is lady gaga and should be the #1 lynch. However since it seems that pikachu can't get a chance today, I'll vote Fury now. I am entitled to have my theories about the game and present them here and I don't give 2 shits about you saying that I'm throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks. I'm doing what I believe is the best way to contribute to town winning. If you are not satisfied with my contribution, then take a paper and write my username and a fucking F- below it.

I rate my own contribution to this game as satisfactory and I don't like to be salty so now I will just vote what I believe is the #2 best lynch for town since the #1 best lynch aka 22 lady gaga obviously won't happen today and if Fury doesn't get lynched today then you will at least see that I voted correctly today when he dies on N2.

-vote Fury

With regards to you I have you as a town read mostly because on D1 you told me not to edit in huge capital letters which I believe you wouldn't have done if you were scum because if you were scum then it would be in your best interest that I get modkilled as town. Fury also told me on D1 that editing is the best way to get yourself modkilled therefore he couldn't have been scum on D1.

I have no idea if I'll be around at EoD.

Wow this is amazing. The Lawyer as fan hops off the leading train for the day that SHE started because "oh 22 isn't gonna get lunched." Tbh this really seems like the fan desperately trying to direct us off of gaga.

Can't really post a lot right now. Really also won't be back near EoD. I'm gonna get culted tonight. Hope I don't because I'm terrible as scum. I want 22 lynched today under the theory that he is gaga and the lawyer is fan. Neither responded to my allegations.

If you think I'm town please vote with me.

[Whad]

I don't think we're gonna be able to lynch Fury - we're too split. In fact, I wouldn't mind lynching if we delaying lynching him a day. I think our only chance of lynching someone is 22 or Lawyer. I've mildly scum read them the whole game, but 22 seems more likely to be scum. He's hitting that scummy sweet-spot between afking and sauntering back to say a few quick things that don't really move the needle. Can we rally behind one of them?

Pretty please vote 22?

[Sinon]

I say we go for a lynch, fury is not the target at least for today so we are lynching lawyer or 22, from what I gather.
im just gonna lynch with the town at this point.

Alright then, let's get this train rolling.

-vote TwentyTwo

Choo choo, all aboard!