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  1. ISO #3301
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    @Slaol , please consider what I've said very carefully. If you're not sure who's scum, and are unwilling to pick between Kenny/MM, go for MM.

  2. ISO #3302

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    that's literally not possible right now.
    if we lynch Voss and he's bomber, it'll be 3v2 'morrow.
    I think he's entertaining the more likely scenario where I'm not bomber. He's asking what happens if we vote out the bomber, and we have 2 mafia, and a benign running around.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
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    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  3. ISO #3303
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    And with that, I'll be off, my friends.
    I've got a calculus homework to attend to.
    Godspeed

  4. ISO #3304

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    There's actually missing mechanics in my setup thread after further review. I have NO clue how they're not in there as I clearly remember adding them. I will clarify ALL missing mechanics that are prevalent to the current situation:
    Judge Jury Executioner phase happens when 5 or less people are alive (this is in the setup thread also this excludes the judge ofc) It's not fully explained like it should be. The day chat is shortened to 24 Hours. Judge resolves ties (As always) Judge also get's a say as well during this time as he is the main decider of the trials now.
    The Trial phase for this is explained however.
    So no, in the hypothetical 3v2 with Slaol alive the game still goes on as the Judge resolves all ties. (I Intent to fully flesh out these mechanics when the game is over sorry that it wasn't in the setup thread... Sigh ;/)
    sick. power to the judge.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  5. ISO #3305
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    if the benign stood in the shadows until now, that's his problem. he should learn better next time.

  6. ISO #3306

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    if the benign stood in the shadows until now, that's his problem. he should learn better next time.
    +1. im moving forward with the assumption #2 is what he says he is.

    and @Voss , im actually addressing the scenario if we do go through with ur lynch for some reason and u flip bomber. then number2 dies as well and we are left in a 2v2 scenario with a judge. thats what i wanted clarified with host.

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  7. ISO #3307

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    +1. im moving forward with the assumption #2 is what he says he is.

    and @Voss , im actually addressing the scenario if we do go through with ur lynch for some reason and u flip bomber. then number2 dies as well and we are left in a 2v2 scenario with a judge. thats what i wanted clarified with host.
    aren't there 3 town right now?? If i'm bomber, that's great for town if I'm voted out. It becomes 3v2

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  8. ISO #3308
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    3 town: me, mike, Distorted + slaol as mayor.
    2 mafia: kenny/MM or Voss/MM.
    1 bomber: Kenny/Voss.
    1 executioner: Numbertwo.

    if Numbertwo and bomber die, we'll have majority tomorrow. we won't lose. slaol is our fourth, not third, player

  9. ISO #3309

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    slaol is our fourth, not third, player
    agreed with this. I just didn't count him because of distorted's concern for the vote

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  10. ISO #3310
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Hi! My favorite color is green, obviously... ;) what is yours?
    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    I much prefer purple.
    What is your thoughts on Mike?
    this interaction is fake as fuck. I'm not one for gut reads, but it's so fake it stings

  11. ISO #3311

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    this interaction is fake as fuck. I'm not one for gut reads, but it's so fake it stings
    That is why I read the Dumas /MM scum team. But I have been tunneling on them all game. MM voted Inno before i did in jury chat. because of Voss. if MM was scum he would not Inno Gry because of Voss. I just don't see that.
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  12. ISO #3312
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Hi! My favorite color is green, obviously... ;) what is yours?
    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    I much prefer purple.
    What is your thoughts on Mike?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    That is why I read the Dumas /MM scum team. But I have been tunneling on them all game. MM voted Inno before i did in jury chat. because of Voss. if MM was scum he would not Inno Gry because of Voss. I just don't see that.
    I don't care why he did; it's not as if it's pro-town to vote inno on Damus. It's pro-scum in every imaginable sense of the word.
    Too scummy to be scum is not a good defense.
    It's called open wolfing.

  13. ISO #3313
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    then maybe Voss is really Bomber as I've said, and Kenny is MM's scummate.
    Either way, Numbertwo wants Voss and I'll be happy to oblige.

  14. ISO #3314

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    This is my true reads as of now. I want to hear Slaols thoughts. I am not saying they are correct. Just my reads as of now.

    Spoiler : cvote :
    Magoroth,Numbertwo,Kenny,Distorted,MarshmallowMars hall,Voss,Mike,
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  15. ISO #3315
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Hi! My favorite color is green, obviously... ;) what is yours?
    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    I much prefer purple.
    What is your thoughts on Mike?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    This is my true reads as of now. I want to hear Slaols thoughts. I am not saying they are correct. Just my reads as of now.

    Spoiler : cvote :
    Magoroth,Numbertwo,Kenny,Distorted,MarshmallowMars hall,Voss,Mike,
    can you please tell me why the. fuck you would vote me right now. it's literally. scummy to be voting anyone other than Voss. if you think I'm scum, vote me tomorrow. I pretty much gave town a sure-way of winning. in what way is what I've done scummy.

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  17. ISO #3317
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Mike, it's time to decide.
    Either you are town, and you should sheep No2's vote, or you are Mafia. There is no middle ground.

  18. ISO #3318

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    I don't care why he did; it's not as if it's pro-town to vote inno on Damus. It's pro-scum in every imaginable sense of the word.
    Too scummy to be scum is not a good defense.
    It's called open wolfing.
    I see why you say that ie why you top my scum list

    Mag MM me all had Gry guilty
    Number 2 and Voss had gry inno
    Slaol was saying he was scum in Court.
    It was a hard lean too Guilty.
    then Voss pleaded his case
    And MM went from Guilty to Inno ( not a scum move ) that was major town read.
    then I start questioning Voss. Voss fought so hard even to the point to say Sloal Lied I attacked Voss we got in a big fight Until Voss pointed out facts I then saw Vosss point about it all. and Voss was correct from his/her point of view. So i changed to Inno at that point. I even told Voss I only saw Gry guilty because oh Voss. you where still guilty at that point. So your statement in a way is you arguing you are scum.
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  19. ISO #3319
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Voss, you are either Bomber or Mafia. There's arguments for both sides, namely the fact that you pushed for the neutral to reveal so early on, something I would see the scum doing, and the fact that you mostly avoided interacting with Damus/MM. Maybe you're actually Mafia and Kenny is the Bomber, I'm not sure. I might be wrong. but MM is 100% Mafia and not the bomber

  20. ISO #3320

  21. ISO #3321

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    Mike, it's time to decide.
    Either you are town, and you should sheep No2's vote, or you are Mafia. There is no middle ground.
    Sheeping number 2 is no way town I don't see any logic in it to help town. it will only hurt town.
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  22. ISO #3322
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    I guilted Gyrlander for sheeping Frog's reads, and because I didn't want Gyrlander in the end-game with us. Distorted said something about Gyrlander being in his scum meta, and if you remember I actually asked Distorted something about that (I don't remember exactly what; I think I. was actually debating with him whether Gyrlander's meta had showed; I think I said something along the lines of "Gyrlander!scum always does something that he wants to appear to be pro-town but backfires miserably"). I was still very clearly in favour of a guilty but I swayed by Distorted's pleas.

    Gyrlander was a good kill IMO. Not sure why someone would bomb his trial. Gyrlander was too scummy.

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  24. ISO #3324
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    dude, put it this way. there's really only two possibilities here, namely:

    a) Numbertwo is Mafia and his scummates are me, and someone else who isn't Voss, and some fucking neutral still hasn't CC'd his claim. take note of the fact that neutrals die when they achieve their wincon, so no neutral has resigned himself to not doing anything as a result of having already accomplished his wincon. this is absurd. if that's the. case, the neutral should learn better next time. besides, nobody is going to vote Numbertwo.

    b) Numbertwo is Executioner and his target is Voss. Either Voss is town, which doesn't really matter because Numbertwo WILL go against his own wincon if we try to Lynch someone other than Voss, so we're fucked either way, or Voss is scum, in which case Numbertwo is pretty much the equivalent of a confirmed town with a vote and will absolutely side with us today unless we vote someone else.

    his playstyle even makes perfect sense as Executioner. He put himself in such a position that we have to follow him and. his reads, and wanted us to inno Gyrlander because he. believed him to be town. what mafia would do that? it's much easier to just Lynch Gyrlander and then coast through.

  25. ISO #3325
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    @Slaol if this ends up being a tie, I want to be the prosecution against Voss.

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  27. ISO #3327

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    dude, put it this way. there's really only two possibilities here, namely:

    a) Numbertwo is Mafia and his scummates are me, and someone else who isn't Voss, and some fucking neutral still hasn't CC'd his claim. take note of the fact that neutrals die when they achieve their wincon, so no neutral has resigned himself to not doing anything as a result of having already accomplished his wincon. this is absurd. if that's the. case, the neutral should learn better next time. besides, nobody is going to vote Numbertwo.

    b) Numbertwo is Executioner and his target is Voss. Either Voss is town, which doesn't really matter because Numbertwo WILL go against his own wincon if we try to Lynch someone other than Voss, so we're fucked either way, or Voss is scum, in which case Numbertwo is pretty much the equivalent of a confirmed town with a vote and will absolutely side with us today unless we vote someone else.

    his playstyle even makes perfect sense as Executioner. He put himself in such a position that we have to follow him and. his reads, and wanted us to inno Gyrlander because he. believed him to be town. what mafia would do that? it's much easier to just Lynch Gyrlander and then coast through.
    everyone don't get mad at me but this does make sense.
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  28. ISO #3328

  29. ISO #3329
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    ok, so if you think Voss is town, then who is scum? Mike? Distorted? Numbertwo??

  30. ISO #3330

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    You're strawmanning. A isn't likely. You're fearmongering but we don't need Number 2s vote to vote anyone else. You think because you've "proved" that #2 is executioner, you're proving I'm scum. And because you can't prove who my scummate is, you're trying to paint me as the bomber.

    And I realize I'm digging myself into a hole by only defending and not attacking, but right now it's just way easier to do that. I'm hoping that if I can prove my towniness, PoE will have to say that Mag has to be scum.

    Mag, if you wanna talk productively, can we discuss who is actually red if you and I aren't? Would it be Kenny and Distorted?

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    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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  33. ISO #3333
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    You're strawmanning. A isn't likely. You're fearmongering but we don't need Number 2s vote to vote anyone else. You think because you've "proved" that #2 is executioner, you're proving I'm scum. And because you can't prove who my scummate is, you're trying to paint me as the bomber.

    And I realize I'm digging myself into a hole by only defending and not attacking, but right now it's just way easier to do that. I'm hoping that if I can prove my towniness, PoE will have to say that Mag has to be scum.

    Mag, if you wanna talk productively, can we discuss who is actually red if you and I aren't? Would it be Kenny and Distorted?
    if you're not red, which I simply cannot see how you couldn't be, it's Mike.

  34. ISO #3334
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    well, here goes

    Voss tried to stop Gyrlander's lynch, and if I'm not mistaken called out Mike/Kenny as flip-floppy. I believe Voss was the first to argue for the neutrals to reveal themselves, which is a pretty-town strategy.

  35. ISO #3335
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    well, here goes

    Voss tried to stop Gyrlander's lynch, and if I'm not mistaken called out Mike/Kenny as flip-floppy. I believe Voss was the first to argue for the neutrals to reveal themselves, which is a pretty-town strategy.
    I guess you could also say that up until today, a Voss-No.2 team was very likely, so that too is a plus, given that his interactions with my top scumreads are pretty weak. Distorted defended MM way harder than Voss did, and also inno'd him. could it be that the entire scum team uncharacteristically did not bus this game? it definitely is so, if Voss isn't scum.

    indeed, Distorted doesn't usually fuck up with MM's alignment.

  36. ISO #3336
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    I guess you could also say that up until today, a Voss-No.2 team was very likely, so that too is a plus, given that his interactions with my top scumreads are pretty weak. Distorted defended MM way harder than Voss did, and also inno'd him. could it be that the entire scum team uncharacteristically did not bus this game? it definitely is so, if Voss isn't scum.

    indeed, Distorted doesn't usually fuck up with MM's alignment.
    I've never seen Distorted read a !scumMM as town before, ever, not without at least some pushing at him.

  37. ISO #3337

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Voss can you assess interaction between Mag and Dist please? Give me a rundown there?
    I can reread and paraphrase later today. I took very very very detailed... notes.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  38. ISO #3338
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    and Mike's in his scum meta, given what I've seen of him. if it's not Voss, it's either Mike or Distorted, + MM and Kenny. there's really no other choice here.

  39. ISO #3339

  40. ISO #3340

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    and Mike's in his scum meta, given what I've seen of him. if it's not Voss, it's either Mike or Distorted, + MM and Kenny. there's really no other choice here.
    What is my scum Meta. as So fare I have yet to play a scum role. First game I was Shitzen. chicago I was a Nuet teamed with a town. that had a winton of only hunt mafia. I had no win con agent town. SO what game have I played scum? For this ti be my Scum meta?
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  41. ISO #3341
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    What is my scum Meta. as So fare I have yet to play a scum role. First game I was Shitzen. chicago I was a Nuet teamed with a town. that had a winton of only hunt mafia. I had no win con agent town. SO what game have I played scum? For this ti be my Scum meta?
    you were serial killer last game and Kenny helped you win. you were scum. and you did this exact same thing where you tunnelled hard on players (such as on MM). granted, now you're no longer. tunnelling on him, but maybe that's just because you're his scummate and tried to bus him =P

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  43. ISO #3343

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    reading through this i think mag is actually on to it. because in the end if voss is town, that puts town in the same situation tomorrow, just 2 people less thus making it easier to make this same decision. The only way it would backfire badly is if numbertwo ISNT exe. but then the neutral benign has been doing what? the only way a benign could have won is if frog was their target since he was the only lynch, everyone else was bombings.

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  44. ISO #3344

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Id like the very very very detailed version
    I took notes allso. but we are only allowed to paraphrase we are not allowed to quote per Aivion in Jury chat.

    But I can confirm if Voss is lieing to telling the truth if that helps
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  45. ISO #3345

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    you were serial killer last game and Kenny helped you win. you were scum. and you did this exact same thing where you tunnelled hard on players (such as on MM). granted, now you're no longer. tunnelling on him, but maybe that's just because you're his scummate and tried to bus him =P
    Then lychee me I am meaning that 100% Lych me when I flip green you will have no were to hide. I am good with dieing because town will still win.
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  46. ISO #3346

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Voss can you assess interaction between Mag and Dist please? Give me a rundown there?
    I early meta read Mag and kept him in my townblock unitl late on D2. he wasnt contributing as much anymore and i felt he was coasting on a strong D1 townread. never followed up with it since we had a lot of other pushes going on, but i still have him as a town lean.

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  49. ISO #3349

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    I early meta read Mag and kept him in my townblock unitl late on D2. he wasnt contributing as much anymore and i felt he was coasting on a strong D1 townread. never followed up with it since we had a lot of other pushes going on, but i still have him as a town lean.
    Whyd you just take that from Voss?

  50. ISO #3350
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    I coasted mostly because I wasn't really sure who was scum, I was afraid of making a mistake, and I didn't want to put effort too much into it.

    and it's also due to out of game reasons that boosted my confidence, but that sounds so unbelievable corny that I really don't want to talk about it.

 

 

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