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  1. ISO #1901

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Questions about the game:

    why did unknown die in the middle of the day, but Gyrlander said there was no deaths?
    why did Calix die in the middle of the day and not the end?
    wtf, SJ was lynched and then he killed MattZed!?!?

    someone, explain plzzzzzz
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  2. ISO #1902

  3. ISO #1903

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    -blackmailer was too strong for the scum. Calix was nearly impossible to understand without constant blackmailing of her. I'm sure the scum would have continued to blackmail her if she had lived.
    Honestly, the BM ability should have been subject to host's discretion and approval to avoid it being OP. This was actually in an earlier draft of the game, but removed in connection with a player's suggestion.

  4. ISO #1904

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Gyrlander forgot to put in my role card that I couldn't be healed. I had to tell him to kill me :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  5. ISO #1905

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    Gyrlander forgot to put in my role card that I couldn't be healed. I had to tell him to kill me :P
    10/10
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  6. ISO #1906

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Oh, that reminds me, I would suggest not making the town investigative impossible to heal. Given 3 PR died immediately.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  7. ISO #1907

  8. ISO #1908

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Questions about the game:

    why did unknown die in the middle of the day, but Gyrlander said there was no deaths?
    why did Calix die in the middle of the day and not the end?
    wtf, SJ was lynched and then he killed MattZed!?!?

    someone, explain plzzzzzz
    1- I forgot Original Town Leader couldn't be healed.
    2- For revealing she was BMED. Although maybe she was supposed to die at EOD. Who knows.
    3- He PMED me before the lynch happened so as it was, you could say, my fault for not being able to respond in 5 minutes before EOD I authorised his suiciding ability.


    Thank you Anonymous Donor

  9. ISO #1909

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Tomorrow. If I don't die tonight ZZZZ
    Here, I shall help you out.

    I have many criticisms about this game. I don't think I'll even be able to cover all of my complaints. However, I shall try to note some initial issues here.

    1. Gyrlander messing up the night actions.

    - His slip with Unknown is the least egregious thing that he did, although it's indicative of the host not fully knowing the ins-and-outs of his own setup (the fact that I was healing Unknown should not have been something that he took into account). However this is a genuine host error and not something that affected the game in and of itself.

    - SuperJack/ MattZed. I feel that if you did not kill MattZed officially BEFORE a lynch then the killed player should not have died. This blunder essentially led to the death of two townies (MattZed and secondpassing) - this is a devastating outcome in a game with 8 town players. The scum should not have such a blatant advantage with unnecessary town deaths.

    - My modkill. This was HORRENDOUSLY executed. The rolecard clearly states that I "automatically die at EOD" and I should not have been killed instantly as a result of that. What's awful about this is the fact that Gyrlander admitted to me that he had changed this rule because of the scum PMing him. This is CLEARLY something that the host should not be doing - hosts should review the setup and clarify things accordingly, not cave in to demands from biased parties. Given that my reads were reasonably accurate, Gyrlander should have noticed the obvious bias that the scum had in making that request.

    2. Scum should not have been trying to exploit the host.

    - This violates the spirits of the rules. Unknown did not try manipulating the host by surviving. I did not try to exploit the host with my blackmail restrictions. The scum tried to game the host to gain an advantage. This is deplorable behaviour and 100% deserves to be called out @ika

    3. I would like to express concerns over ika/ SW potentially OGCing.

    - I fail to understand the play being made with ika fake-claiming Neutral (something which would make him unlynchable) as...the Lynchproof role. Conveniently, the same role that SW had to kill to win the game. I want an explanation for this because I don't see how this helps the scum team at all.

    In conclusion, the scum team were exploitative and @Gyrlander was the fourth mafia this game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Romeo View Post
    Go fuck yourself in the cucho.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    Your accent has ruined medieval fantasy films.

  10. ISO #1910

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    The easy solution? Add to the rules— everything is subject to host's discretion. Changes may be made without warning.
    Nah -- that's not a substitute to careful setup creation. You don't want the game to be unfair because it's riddled with ambiguities. Sure, the host has to decide what's fair / best in light of problems that might arise, but that's not an excuse for those types of situations in the first place.

  11. ISO #1911

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    As for the scum play, the fact that they still lost despite the host giving the scum team multiple advantages says it all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Romeo View Post
    Go fuck yourself in the cucho.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    Your accent has ruined medieval fantasy films.

  12. ISO #1912

  13. ISO #1913

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    As for the scum play, the fact that they still lost despite the host giving the scum team multiple advantages says it all.
    We had four power roles though. We had so many opportunities to catch scum just with night actions.
    Also they lacked a night kill. I'm thinking it was town sided.

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  16. ISO #1916

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    when Calix answers your questions better than the host.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  17. ISO #1917

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post

    1. Gyrlander messing up the night actions.

    - His slip with Unknown is the least egregious thing that he did, although it's indicative of the host not fully knowing the ins-and-outs of his own setup (the fact that I was healing Unknown should not have been something that he took into account). However this is a genuine host error and not something that affected the game in and of itself.

    - SuperJack/ MattZed. I feel that if you did not kill MattZed officially BEFORE a lynch then the killed player should not have died. This blunder essentially led to the death of two townies (MattZed and secondpassing) - this is a devastating outcome in a game with 8 town players. The scum should not have such a blatant advantage with unnecessary town deaths.

    - My modkill. This was HORRENDOUSLY executed. The rolecard clearly states that I "automatically die at EOD" and I should not have been killed instantly as a result of that. What's awful about this is the fact that Gyrlander admitted to me that he had changed this rule because of the scum PMing him. This is CLEARLY something that the host should not be doing - hosts should review the setup and clarify things accordingly, not cave in to demands from biased parties. Given that my reads were reasonably accurate, Gyrlander should have noticed the obvious bias that the scum had in making that request.
    The other issue with all these night action errors was that removing a player from the game each time (to the disadvantage of the Town) caused all the votes to reset. This essentially forced the Town to start again each time and deprived it of both time and momentum. Given the Town needed to win through lynches, not night actions, this was yet another negative consequence of all the hosting errors which occurred here.

  18. ISO #1918

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    We had four power roles though. We had so many opportunities to catch scum just with night actions.
    Also they lacked a night kill. I'm thinking it was town sided.
    TPRs had no impact over the result. The Detective did not post checks, the Escort roleblocked nobody, the Doctor was mod-confirmed as a role due to the host fucking up.

    The only impact it had was 'confirming' Sino as town due to the way he claimed, otherwise I disagree with your conclusion.

    However I agree that four TPRs is excessive in general and can be cut down to 2-3 (to counter scum PRs).
    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Romeo View Post
    Go fuck yourself in the cucho.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    Your accent has ruined medieval fantasy films.

  19. ISO #1919

  20. ISO #1920

  21. ISO #1921

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    when Calix answers your questions better than the host.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Don't say that I changed the BM rule. It wasn't clear qnd could have been understood in two ways
    @Gyrlander perhaps try addressing the criticisms leveled against you yourself instead of using me as a spokesperson.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Romeo View Post
    Go fuck yourself in the cucho.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    Your accent has ruined medieval fantasy films.

  22. ISO #1922

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    I was pleasantly surprised by the activity in the first 6 hours of the game -- I think y'all combined 550 posts in that time interval? It gave me hopes for future games

    Kudos to @Unknown1234 , I think he has improved a lot all around since I last seen him play!
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    DUDE, YOURE ONLY LEFT ALIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EXTRA CHROMOSOME DO YOU NOT SEE THAT

  23. ISO #1923

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Hey @Never Unlucky , is it your new thing to just not play here but follow every game that Calix is in?
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  24. ISO #1924

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    TPRs had no impact over the result. The Detective did not post checks, the Escort roleblocked nobody, the Doctor was mod-confirmed as a role due to the host fucking up.

    The only impact it had was 'confirming' Sino as town due to the way he claimed, otherwise I disagree with your conclusion.

    However I agree that four TPRs is excessive in general and can be cut down to 2-3 (to counter scum PRs).
    I have to agree with sp here, the lack of a scum night kill makes this setup town sided imo, even if ika didn't fake claim assassin, once the assassin's objective was to kill scum, town was in a pretty good spot.
    [23:19:33] DarknessB: Sino is Mass Murderer -- I don't care if there isn't one in the setup!
    [23:19:39] DarknessB:
    -vote Sino

  25. ISO #1925

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post

    3. I would like to express concerns over ika/ SW potentially OGCing.

    - I fail to understand the play being made with ika fake-claiming Neutral (something which would make him unlynchable) as...the Lynchproof role. Conveniently, the same role that SW had to kill to win the game. I want an explanation for this because I don't see how this helps the scum team at all.
    Fuck you. ika and I worked our damn ass off this game NOT to OGC. Seriously Calix, I worked my ass off this game and I will not have my win tarnished like this.

  26. ISO #1926

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Sino View Post
    I have to agree with sp here, the lack of a scum night kill makes this setup town sided imo, even if ika didn't fake claim assassin, once the assassin's objective was to kill scum, town was in a pretty good spot.
    If you're suggesting to lower the number of TPRs, give the scum a night kill and heavily modify the Neutral's win condition then I think that's a good idea. You would have to neuter the scum roles accordingly, of course.

    Blackmailer should just be taken out and you'd want to remove the night-immune/ lynch-immune business going on to something else.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Romeo View Post
    Go fuck yourself in the cucho.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    Your accent has ruined medieval fantasy films.

  27. ISO #1927

  28. ISO #1928

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by SilverWolf View Post
    Fuck you. ika and I worked our damn ass off this game NOT to OGC. Seriously Calix, I worked my ass off this game and I will not have my win tarnished like this.
    Explanation or GTFO. Lynch-proof claiming a role to avoid being lynched makes NO sense and is extremely suspicious.

    Swearing at me isn't going to make that go away, sorry to say.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Romeo View Post
    Go fuck yourself in the cucho.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    Your accent has ruined medieval fantasy films.

  29. ISO #1929

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Sino View Post
    I have to agree with sp here, the lack of a scum night kill makes this setup town sided imo, even if ika didn't fake claim assassin, once the assassin's objective was to kill scum, town was in a pretty good spot.
    Eh, the Pleb Leader died n1, the BMed person was killed for not maintaining the OP condition, SP got mislynched, MZ got bombed. I mean, there were enough ways for scum to kill given its roles to be fair. I don't blame the game for the scum team being the lower activity players.

  30. ISO #1930

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    The setup is not that Town-sided, it worked out for Wolf that she got the right kill night 1
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  31. ISO #1931

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    Explanation or GTFO. Lynch-proof claiming a role to avoid being lynched makes NO sense and is extremely suspicious.

    Swearing at me isn't going to make that go away, sorry to say.
    I don't give a fuck what you think. You played against your wincon and got yourself killed. Now you are accusing us of cheating.

    I have nothing else to say to you. Just leave the site. I don't give a fuck. I'm sorry I made that post to you in game saying I wanted you to stay.

  32. ISO #1932

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    Here, I shall help you out.

    I have many criticisms about this game. I don't think I'll even be able to cover all of my complaints. However, I shall try to note some initial issues here.

    1. Gyrlander messing up the night actions.

    - His slip with Unknown is the least egregious thing that he did, although it's indicative of the host not fully knowing the ins-and-outs of his own setup (the fact that I was healing Unknown should not have been something that he took into account). However this is a genuine host error and not something that affected the game in and of itself.

    - SuperJack/ MattZed. I feel that if you did not kill MattZed officially BEFORE a lynch then the killed player should not have died. This blunder essentially led to the death of two townies (MattZed and secondpassing) - this is a devastating outcome in a game with 8 town players. The scum should not have such a blatant advantage with unnecessary town deaths.

    - My modkill. This was HORRENDOUSLY executed. The rolecard clearly states that I "automatically die at EOD" and I should not have been killed instantly as a result of that. What's awful about this is the fact that Gyrlander admitted to me that he had changed this rule because of the scum PMing him. This is CLEARLY something that the host should not be doing - hosts should review the setup and clarify things accordingly, not cave in to demands from biased parties. Given that my reads were reasonably accurate, Gyrlander should have noticed the obvious bias that the scum had in making that request.

    2. Scum should not have been trying to exploit the host.

    - This violates the spirits of the rules. Unknown did not try manipulating the host by surviving. I did not try to exploit the host with my blackmail restrictions. The scum tried to game the host to gain an advantage. This is deplorable behaviour and 100% deserves to be called out @ika

    3. I would like to express concerns over ika/ SW potentially OGCing.

    - I fail to understand the play being made with ika fake-claiming Neutral (something which would make him unlynchable) as...the Lynchproof role. Conveniently, the same role that SW had to kill to win the game. I want an explanation for this because I don't see how this helps the scum team at all.

    In conclusion, the scum team were exploitative and @Gyrlander was the fourth mafia this game.
    ok here let me give my insight on how your modkill was not only blaitnety gamethowring, but also agaisnt the spirit of the game

    here the blackmailer rolecard:

    - The player can't reveal that he was blackmailed at anytime (ALL GAME) neither he can give hints about it or he will automatically die. (If someone has given hints or not is decided by the host)
    the highlighted is what you broke. not only did you decide to break your blackmail and eat a modkill you decided to say "fuck this game"

    i took the wording of the rolecard and said this is what it says.

    the fault is onus on you due to the fact that you neevr brought it up in review or signups

    as for the neutral claim, i was already under supcion and could of been lynched, claiming neutral was my only chance at survival cus if i got lynch it would of outed me right away. the other idea was to get the neutral to cc me or think i was empress doing so

    so kindly fuck off if you have ocncers about this you can take it to mods

  33. ISO #1933

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    The setup is not that Town-sided, it worked out for Wolf that she got the right kill night 1
    This. Essentially, there's a SK going around who is more likely to be hitting Town than scum (especially before the Pleb Leader is dead). Despite all the quality lynches and pushes by the Town, it almost lost despite only two mislynches this game. Those are not great odds.

  34. ISO #1934

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    Explanation or GTFO. Lynch-proof claiming a role to avoid being lynched makes NO sense and is extremely suspicious.

    Swearing at me isn't going to make that go away, sorry to say.
    again i was being bussed and has sucpsion on me. neutral was a wifom act so you can either take it to mod or GTFO yourself, your already saying you wont be coming abck so fuck off unless you have something to say

  35. ISO #1935

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    ok here let me give my insight on how your modkill was not only blaitnety gamethowring, but also agaisnt the spirit of the game

    here the blackmailer rolecard:



    the highlighted is what you broke. not only did you decide to break your blackmail and eat a modkill you decided to say "fuck this game"

    i took the wording of the rolecard and said this is what it says.

    the fault is onus on you due to the fact that you neevr brought it up in review or signups

    as for the neutral claim, i was already under supcion and could of been lynched, claiming neutral was my only chance at survival cus if i got lynch it would of outed me right away. the other idea was to get the neutral to cc me or think i was empress doing so

    so kindly fuck off if you have ocncers about this you can take it to mods
    It says in the exact same rolecard that I die "automatically at the end of the day"

    You were not under any suspicion. yzb asked for the Neut to claim. You immediately claimed in response. Fake-claiming Neutral guarantees that the real Neutral hits you. This conveniently helps your partner win.

    I'm calling bullshit. The fact that you two are being so aggressive about a perfectly justified suspicion only strengthens my case against you two.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Romeo View Post
    Go fuck yourself in the cucho.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    Your accent has ruined medieval fantasy films.

  36. ISO #1936

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Any discussion about OGC will now be discontinued in this thread. If you have any issues with anyone outside, please make a private message or message me on skype.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  37. ISO #1937

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    It says in the exact same rolecard that I die "automatically at the end of the day"

    You were not under any suspicion. yzb asked for the Neut to claim. You immediately claimed in response. Fake-claiming Neutral guarantees that the real Neutral hits you. This conveniently helps your partner win.

    I'm calling bullshit. The fact that you two are being so aggressive about a perfectly justified suspicion only strengthens my case against you two.
    here it is:

    If the player doesn't follow the orders, he will die at the end of the day.
    you failed the order yes but the previous says that claiming it you dies right away

  38. ISO #1938

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    @ika @SilverWolf
    I understand that maybe you got riled up by my way of reading people, but this is not the first time I read someone using very odd methods (to you), and was in no way meant to hurt your feelings beyond this game. I assure you that it was done to further my win condition. Please don't feel too badly.

    Thanks. Have a nice day. Enjoy your dinner.




    Edit: I'm will take your word for it. ika is probably a very nice person in real life. Maybe we would have gotten along better had I seen his face and talked to it directly.

  39. ISO #1939

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    It says in the exact same rolecard that I die "automatically at the end of the day"

    You were not under any suspicion. yzb asked for the Neut to claim. You immediately claimed in response. Fake-claiming Neutral guarantees that the real Neutral hits you. This conveniently helps your partner win.

    I'm calling bullshit. The fact that you two are being so aggressive about a perfectly justified suspicion only strengthens my case against you two.
    I'm pissed because I worked my ass off to win this game. This is the first game we've played together out of ***** on this site since we moved in together and we worked out a way not to OGC well before the game started. The fact you are such a sore fucking loser about your blackmail and my win and are gonna go after us on an unfounded accusation of cheating instead of taking it to the mods and basically ruin my win with it is fucking disgusting.

    I'm done talking to you. Do not sign up with me again.

    And yes, this is not the first time I've dealt with this. Last place ika and I tried to play we were banned and accused of being the same person.

    I will probably just quit mafia if ika and I can't play together without this garbage.

    I'm seriously done.

  40. ISO #1940

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    @ika @SilverWolf
    I understand that maybe you got riled up by my way of reading people, but this is not the first time I read someone using very odd methods (to you), and was in no way meant to hurt your feelings beyond this game. I assure you that it was done to further my win condition. Please don't feel too badly.

    Thanks. Have a nice day. Enjoy your dinner.




    Edit: I'm will take your word for it. ika is probably a very nice person in real life. Maybe we would have gotten along better had I seen his face and talked to it directly.
    my issue is most of your points you made were invaild or things that if actualy applied would of made other people scum by your logic.

    other then that i was ok with it overall. i do think you do need to find better reaoons cus i felt like most of came to the fact i was around when mesk wasnt. the one about having other engage me might of been more vaild but others were not vaild as i did conclude i town read RLVG on my iso and stuff

  41. ISO #1941

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    @ika @SilverWolf
    I understand that maybe you got riled up by my way of reading people, but this is not the first time I read someone using very odd methods (to you), and was in no way meant to hurt your feelings beyond this game. I assure you that it was done to further my win condition. Please don't feel too badly.

    Thanks. Have a nice day. Enjoy your dinner.




    Edit: I'm will take your word for it. ika is probably a very nice person in real life. Maybe we would have gotten along better had I seen his face and talked to it directly.
    ika is the kindest person you will ever meet IRL

    Don't worry, You may have a different way of reading people than I do but they aren't necessarily better or worse than anyone else's if you come to the right conclusion.

    Sorry if I was rough on you at all.
    @secondpassing

  42. ISO #1942

  43. ISO #1943

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    we infract for general belligerence now?

    G FUCKING G, WP
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  44. ISO #1944

  45. ISO #1945

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    To take this conversation back to game-related issues, here's the infamous Emperor role card, which I will dissect:

    While the Empress is alive you can't be hung. You can blackmail a player at night, forcing them to do one of the following things the next day:

    - Say a specific sentence / post.

    - Talk in a specific way

    - Claim false night feedback

    - The player can't reveal that he was blackmailed at anytime (ALL GAME) neither he can give hints about it or he will automatically die. (If someone has given hints or not is decided by the host)

    If the player doesn't follow the orders, he will die at the end of the day.

    Here's the problem: the card is ambiguous with respect to "automatically die" -- i.e. it's unclear whether Gyrlander meant "immediately", "without warning", or something else. In contrast, the last line says what happens if the player does not follow the instructions. It's similarly unclear whether the instructions include what I will call Rule #4 (the line with automatically die in it). I.e. you could very reasonably conclude that since the last line speaks to what happens in the event of the orders being disobeyed, it trumps the death point in Rule #4. In other words, Rule #4 is one of the four orders so it perhaps should subject to the bolded line.

    Basically, there's big time ambiguity here which could be interpreted regarding a player's revealing of being BMed -- either in a pro-Town way (i.e. death at the end of the day) or a pro-scum way (immediate death).

    Personally, given the BM mechanic had been buffed pre-game to remove any veto right by the host (ironically, at the suggestion of ika himself, who ended up rolling Emperor), I would have gone with the pro-Town way, especially given the somewhat marginal advantage of a player dying mid-day vs. end of day. Also, as previously mentioned, it's more harmful for a Town player to die mid-day because that results in all the Town's votes being wiped out and the Town needing to start over.

    At the very least, I understand that the scum team had complained about the BM mechanic being enforced to the stricter standard. In these types of situations in the future, I feel like the host should examine the totality of the situation and try to come to the resolution that affects the game the least. In sports situations, where there is a borderline call that could result in a penalty, typically the referees will allow the players to continue because people tend to be far saltier when the game is being decide by the game overseer vs. by the players in the game.

  46. ISO #1946

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    We had four power roles though. We had so many opportunities to catch scum just with night actions.
    Also they lacked a night kill. I'm thinking it was town sided.
    I think it was town-sided too. 4 PRS is too much -- 2 is more suitable imo.

    I don't think the blackmailer was that bad of a role as Calix made it to be. If this setup is to be brought back later, I'd keep the BMer as it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessB View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but you didn't play in the game?
    I spectated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    DUDE, YOURE ONLY LEFT ALIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EXTRA CHROMOSOME DO YOU NOT SEE THAT

  47. ISO #1947

  48. ISO #1948

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Never Unlucky View Post
    I think it was town-sided too. 4 PRS is too much -- 2 is more suitable imo.

    I don't think the blackmailer was that bad of a role as Calix made it to be. If this setup is to be brought back later, I'd keep the BMer as it is.



    I spectated.
    I thought you left the site though? You seemed to be very clear about that in the other thread regarding shitposting, site issues, and whatnot?

  49. ISO #1949

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Never Unlucky View Post
    Huh. I read almost every game here regardless of who's in it.
    I concur with what darkness said. Doesn't spectating kinda go against leaving the site? & tbf you shouldnt be surprised that this is the reaction you're getting considering your opinion pretty much means jack shit give you don't play here anymore
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  50. ISO #1950

    Re: S-FM 220: Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessB View Post
    To take this conversation back to game-related issues, here's the infamous Emperor role card, which I will dissect:

    While the Empress is alive you can't be hung. You can blackmail a player at night, forcing them to do one of the following things the next day:

    - Say a specific sentence / post.

    - Talk in a specific way

    - Claim false night feedback

    - The player can't reveal that he was blackmailed at anytime (ALL GAME) neither he can give hints about it or he will automatically die. (If someone has given hints or not is decided by the host)

    If the player doesn't follow the orders, he will die at the end of the day.

    Here's the problem: the card is ambiguous with respect to "automatically die" -- i.e. it's unclear whether Gyrlander meant "immediately", "without warning", or something else. In contrast, the last line says what happens if the player does not follow the instructions. It's similarly unclear whether the instructions include what I will call Rule #4 (the line with automatically die in it). I.e. you could very reasonably conclude that since the last line speaks to what happens in the event of the orders being disobeyed, it trumps the death point in Rule #4. In other words, Rule #4 is one of the four orders so it perhaps should subject to the bolded line.

    Basically, there's big time ambiguity here which could be interpreted regarding a player's revealing of being BMed -- either in a pro-Town way (i.e. death at the end of the day) or a pro-scum way (immediate death).

    Personally, given the BM mechanic had been buffed pre-game to remove any veto right by the host (ironically, at the suggestion of ika himself, who ended up rolling Emperor), I would have gone with the pro-Town way, especially given the somewhat marginal advantage of a player dying mid-day vs. end of day. Also, as previously mentioned, it's more harmful for a Town player to die mid-day because that results in all the Town's votes being wiped out and the Town needing to start over.

    At the very least, I understand that the scum team had complained about the BM mechanic being enforced to the stricter standard. In these types of situations in the future, I feel like the host should examine the totality of the situation and try to come to the resolution that affects the game the least. In sports situations, where there is a borderline call that could result in a penalty, typically the referees will allow the players to continue because people tend to be far saltier when the game is being decide by the game overseer vs. by the players in the game.
    i feel like your missing the actual context that i read in the rolecard

    - The player can't reveal that he was blackmailed at anytime (ALL GAME) neither he can give hints about it or he will automatically die. (If someone has given hints or not is decided by the host)
    how i read this is that if player reveals or hints at any point the die on the spot and in turn i read it mutaly exlcusive to this one cus of its wording

    If the player doesn't follow the orders, he will die at the end of the day.
    the word "orders" implyes it was designated tot he blackmail challange itself and not the claiming blackmail portion.

    i know its irnoic its like that but i didnt realize there could of been ambugiuty untill gry brought it up. The thing though is that its not his fault, its the players (and argubly the fm staffs) fault for not realzing the ambugity of the rolecard or how powerful it could be in contrast. Calix is at fault for breaking her blackmail though becasue she basicly went "fuck blackmail, post normal" in which case moreso justified the killing of her right away IMO.

    I took it up to gyr becasue as a host we cant change it. if the rolecard says "if they fail they die" there should be no warning, she should of just died at EOD when she broke it first time with the : (yes that is a punctuation mark). after she broke it with the read lsit and continued i was fine with her dying at EOD. but when she basicly went "fuck it" thats not doing it anymore, thats jsut breaking not only your wincon (eating the modkill), but the spirit of the game (well i broke it so im gonna post normal now)

    i already aplogized that i word lawyered it and that it is something i do basicly outside of alignement. I do agree with the ideal of "host needs to apporve" or something (cus frankly i could of chained 20 difrent resctions together with commas and joint words looking at it) but this was gyrs first game so i do give him a lot of creidt

    for the first game he did a fair job overall.

    blackmailer is one of those roles that jsut needs ot be proprly cared of

 

 

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