S-FM 205: Instant Mafia 2.0

[Calix]

Instant Mafia^{S-FM 205}

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With 7 players alive, 4 votes to hammer.

Game ends in 72 hours [16th July at 21:30 GMT]

Players	Roles
@Iced_Monopoly @Kovath @Mesk514 @PLZLEAVEDUCKK @Unknown1234 @Yukitaka Oni @yzb25	Mafia Mafia Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town

[yzb25]

-vote Kovath]

hype.

[yzb25]

fuck I was so eager to make first post

-vote Kovath

[Kovath]

Vote of acclaim for the star actor in the opening GIF.

-vote PLZLEAVEDUCKK

[Unknown1234]

-vote Kovath]

hype.

Town don't make no errors.

-vote yzb25

[Mesk514]

Hear ye, Hear ye, Always town Mesk on the loose.

[Mesk514]

Town don't make no errors.

who are you to tell me what to do?

[yzb25]

Town don't make no errors.

-vote yzb25

Fuck, I slipped on #1

ggwp man, incredible powers of observation to catch that.

[Unknown1234]

who are you to tell me what to do?

I am the town leader, RVS someone!

[Unknown1234]

Fuck, I slipped on #1

ggwp man, incredible powers of observation to catch that.

You make this.... Easy. Hahaha.

[Mesk514]

I am always town, there should be no doubt about that... I don't see Whad anywhere, therefore I am the leader of this town.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Maesk is never town

-vote Mesk514

[yzb25]

Maesk is never town

-vote Mesk514

Flawed reasoning.

Mesk514 clearly just stated they're always town.

So you're wrong.

-vote Iced_Monopoly

[Iced_Monopoly]

Flawed reasoning.

Mesk514 clearly just stated they're always town.

So you're wrong.

-vote Iced_Monopoly

Except I wrote that Maesk is never town, not Mesk514. Opportunistic vote, scum confirmed.

-vote yzb25

[Unknown1234]

Except I wrote that Maesk is never town, not Mesk514. Opportunistic vote, scum confirmed.

-vote yzb25

Placing someone at L-2 with two scum?

-unvote

[Mesk514]

Maesk is never town

-vote Mesk514

Now that I have 20k there's no chance in hell i ever role scum ;)

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I am against RVS votes in normal games, but in this setup I am extremely against it.

I will be more serious/less trolly than usual this game, which I realize is indicative of my mafia play.

I think iced is town based off of his rvs vote. I hate them, but I think a mafia would not put someone at 2 votes this early because as we already saw it drew attention to him.

I had planned on going into this game fake claiming sheriff in the first 30 minutes, but am deciding against it as it somewhat would defeat the premise of what this setup is aimed to do. I think the real sheriff should hardclaim very early, but not say their citizen. I was pm'ing kovath after the first instant mafia, and he said he was ready to fake claim sheriff to save eggy. I will take two confirmed town and remove the risk of a mafia cc anyday.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I am the town leader, RVS someone!

This is interesting to me. Usually I would say that unknown as mafia never comes out and claims, even if jokingly, to be a town leader. However, recently after our loss to the dog he mentioned wanting to step up his leadership role. I am not sure if that is AI or if he has even changed his play to accommodate that yet, but thought it was worth noting.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Vote of acclaim for the star actor in the opening GIF.

-vote PLZLEAVEDUCKK

Neither of us are getting lynched this game, waste of a vote.

I don't get lynched as either alignment, and you are a difficult lynch. If you are mafia, it will be your partner who gets pinged out, and you forced to save them, and if you are town no mafia will want to target you. They will likely not even target the low hanging fruit, but try to find a middle ground.

[Unknown1234]

This is interesting to me. Usually I would say that unknown as mafia never comes out and claims, even if jokingly, to be a town leader. However, recently after our loss to the dog he mentioned wanting to step up his leadership role. I am not sure if that is AI or if he has even changed his play to accommodate that yet, but thought it was worth noting.

My Day 1 play usually sucks, so I'm very scared to see how this game goes.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

My Day 1 play usually sucks, so I'm very scared to see how this game goes.

Dude, this save is ANTI DUCK. The best part is she used a duck for the avatar.

Look at my mafia play, I hard bus.

Look at my town play, I find town circles that aren't solid until end of day1/start of day2.

I was talking to kovath about this pregame and debating whether or not I would take a backseat this game, and not even try to push a lynch regardless of how strongly I felt on my reads.

[Yukitaka Oni]

My Day 1 play usually sucks, so I'm very scared to see how this game goes.

Day 1 99% suck,
-> plz skip v(o.o(<

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Day 1 99% suck,
-> plz skip v(o.o(<

Hi, we have not had the pleasure of playing. Can you tell me either about yourself or how you like to play?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Only iced, unknwon and mesk...
Seem like i lack of intel about other players v(x.o(<.....
Just going to sitting duck for awhile

[Unknown1234]

Day 1 99% suck,
-> plz skip v(o.o(<

MVP plan. We win.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Hi, we have not had the pleasure of playing. Can you tell me either about yourself or how you like to play?

Hi, I'm Yukitaka Oni b)O.o)^ I'm a newbie, how to play????

[yzb25]

Neither of us are getting lynched this game, waste of a vote.

I don't get lynched as either alignment, and you are a difficult lynch. If you are mafia, it will be your partner who gets pinged out, and you forced to save them, and if you are town no mafia will want to target you. They will likely not even target the low hanging fruit, but try to find a middle ground.

I disagree with what you say about RVS. It allows us to talk about something, no matter how facile.

But first page antics are largely irrelevant.

Your proposition to make sheriff hardclaim is awkward. What if a sheriff claims, then a mafia counter-claims? The game will essentially be reduced to a coin flip, because there will be no psychological coating left to distinguish the two players.

As it stands, the ambiguity of how the sheriff should be played allows people to develop reads around it. If you make it into something hard as you propose, we won't be able to setup a read chain.

I dunno if I'm wording this coherently, but I know the point I'm trying to make in my point heh. If I don't make sense, I'll try and say it again in the morning.

[Unknown1234]

I like the sheriff reveal plan, we have to get the conversation going.

[Yukitaka Oni]

MVP plan. We win.

Setup is weird lol

[yzb25]

Hi, I'm Yukitaka Oni b)O.o)^ I'm a newbie, how to play????

If that pm the nice lady "Calix" sent you says you're a mafia, you should tell us quickly to help town win.

That's how you play.

If it doesn't say you're mafia, you should still tell us it says mafia for the banter.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Setup is weird lol

According to setup. We cannot make any mistake. 1 lynch town = instant loose. 1 lynch mafia = instant win

[Yukitaka Oni]

If that pm the nice lady "Calix" sent you says you're a mafia, you should tell us quickly to help town win.

That's how you play.

If it doesn't say you're mafia, you should still tell us it says mafia for the banter.

It's said I'm a citizen of the USSR v)O.o)>! What does that mean v(O.o(<???

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I disagree with what you say about RVS. It allows us to talk about something, no matter how facile.

But first page antics are largely irrelevant.

Your proposition to make sheriff hardclaim is awkward. What if a sheriff claims, then a mafia counter-claims? The game will essentially be reduced to a coin flip, because there will be no psychological coating left to distinguish the two players.

As it stands, the ambiguity of how the sheriff should be played allows people to develop reads around it. If you make it into something hard as you propose, we won't be able to setup a read chain.

I dunno if I'm wording this coherently, but I know the point I'm trying to make in my point heh. If I don't make sense, I'll try and say it again in the morning.

I like that my top scum read already is questioning a sheriff reveal.

If mafia counterclaims now they are forced to make an on the spot flustered decision, and then cit check their partner. They don't know who or if there are masons or mayors in the game. If sheriff waits to reveal, the scum has a fake claim prepared and may have an idea of any other TPR's.

Anyways in order of strongest to lightest:

Town:
Iced
Unknown

Mafia:
yz

Null, but leaning town: yuki

Null, leaning mafia: Kovath

[Unknown1234]

Setup is weird lol

Good way to start off my day1 catching scum techniques.

[Yukitaka Oni]

I disagree with what you say about RVS. It allows us to talk about something, no matter how facile.

But first page antics are largely irrelevant.

Your proposition to make sheriff hardclaim is awkward. What if a sheriff claims, then a mafia counter-claims? The game will essentially be reduced to a coin flip, because there will be no psychological coating left to distinguish the two players.

As it stands, the ambiguity of how the sheriff should be played allows people to develop reads around it. If you make it into something hard as you propose, we won't be able to setup a read chain.

I dunno if I'm wording this coherently, but I know the point I'm trying to make in my point heh. If I don't make sense, I'll try and say it again in the morning.

Coin flip. Rush lynch, game end less than 30 minutes
???
-> profit????

[Yukitaka Oni]

Good way to start off my day1 catching scum techniques.

After all the game i played, can't believe Calix gimme the same role like last game i play with you
-> cit op, plz nerf

[Mesk514]

I am against RVS votes in normal games, but in this setup I am extremely against it.

I will be more serious/less trolly than usual this game, which I realize is indicative of my mafia play.

I think iced is town based off of his rvs vote. I hate them, but I think a mafia would not put someone at 2 votes this early because as we already saw it drew attention to him.

I had planned on going into this game fake claiming sheriff in the first 30 minutes, but am deciding against it as it somewhat would defeat the premise of what this setup is aimed to do. I think the real sheriff should hardclaim very early, but not say their citizen. I was pm'ing kovath after the first instant mafia, and he said he was ready to fake claim sheriff to save eggy. I will take two confirmed town and remove the risk of a mafia cc anyday.

hey ducky, I too decided not to partake in RVS but you don't hear me talking about it.

Mesk- 1
Duck- 0

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

After all the game i played, can't believe Calix gimme the same role like last game i play with you
-> cit op, plz nerf

If you hold VT claim at day end, I am lynching you. There would be absolutely no reason no help the mafia find citizens. If I am mafia guess what, you open up a world where I can fake claim sheriff and use you as my citizen instead of my partner. Claiming citizen IS THE WORST thing to claim in my opinion. I just pray you are a TPR and playing dumb, but I don't think so.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

hey ducky, I too decided not to partake in RVS but you don't hear me talking about it.

Mesk- 1
Duck- 0

What is your read on me, and why?

[Yukitaka Oni]

If you hold VT claim at day end, I am lynching you. There would be absolutely no reason no help the mafia find citizens. If I am mafia guess what, you open up a world where I can fake claim sheriff and use you as my citizen instead of my partner. Claiming citizen IS THE WORST thing to claim in my opinion. I just pray you are a TPR and playing dumb, but I don't think so.

Hi, I'm news, how to play v(O.o(<????
Who are you v)O.o)>?
Who am i v(O.o(v?!?!?!?

[yzb25]

I like that my top scum read already is questioning a sheriff reveal.

If mafia counterclaims now they are forced to make an on the spot flustered decision, and then cit check their partner. They don't know who or if there are masons or mayors in the game. If sheriff waits to reveal, the scum has a fake claim prepared and may have an idea of any other TPR's.

Anyways in order of strongest to lightest:

Town:
Iced
Unknown

Mafia:
yz

Null, but leaning town: yuki

Null, leaning mafia: Kovath

It's not really as "on the spot" as you make it out to be, as you sit at your desk methodically considering the best course of action.

Of course, if someone claims sheriff and noone CCs, that would be pretty great, as that would more or less confirm that they're sheriff 90%. And maybe the maf doesn't have the balls to call themselves sheriff and openly call their teammate a citizen (or just guess another person as citizen)

Lemme try and word it like this:

If you let it run naturally, sheriff claims can arise now, later, exc. and we will be able to scumread / townread them based off of the time of claiming, how they claimed, the reasoning behind claiming, exc.

But if you homogenize the strategy. All we'll be able to infer from that is

"The sheriff and their CC both followed Duck's plan".

"However, the only thing that distinguishes them is which claimed first. And that could end up being decided by something as minor as timezone".

[Yukitaka Oni]

Good way to start off my day1 catching scum techniques.

We have mayor, should he reveal? Since we aren't afraid he's going to hell at least?

[Mesk514]

What is your read on me, and why?

40 posts in and i can only read you as a douchebag

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Hi, I'm news, how to play v(O.o(<????
Who are you v)O.o)>?
Who am i v(O.o(v?!?!?!?

Great, this is what I have to deal with. Learning how low the skill level of the players I do not know is, I could just setup spec and know that Kovath rolled mafia or else it would be unbalanced. We will ignore that and find his partner to make it fun though, would be cheating.

[yzb25]

It's said I'm a citizen of the USSR v)O.o)>! What does that mean v(O.o(<???

What anime is that chick from?

[Unknown1234]

We have mayor, should he reveal? Since we aren't afraid he's going to hell at least?

Mayor is confirmed?

[Kovath]

What interests me is that in both the previous IM and this one, players are more interested in hammering out an optimal claim and "game-break" strategy than actually doing reads and pressure.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Mayor is confirmed?

Setup have mayor ya?

[Mesk514]

Mayor is confirmed?

Citizen = Town Government.

We don't need a mayor to lead this town! CITIZENS UNITE

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

It's not really as "on the spot" as you make it out to be, as you sit at your desk methodically considering the best course of action.

Of course, if someone claims sheriff and noone CCs, that would be pretty great, as that would more or less confirm that they're sheriff 90%. And maybe the maf doesn't have the balls to call themselves sheriff and openly call their teammate a citizen (or just guess another person as citizen)

Lemme try and word it like this:

If you let it run naturally, sheriff claims can arise now, later, exc. and we will be able to scumread / townread them based off of the time of claiming, how they claimed, the reasoning behind claiming, exc.

But if you homogenize the strategy. All we'll be able to infer from that is

"The sheriff and their CC both followed Duck's plan".

"However, the only thing that distinguishes them is which claimed first. And that could end up being decided by something as minor as timezone".

If we were to rng the setup. 2/7 chance to lynch a mafia at random, if we have sheriff cc's it is now 1/2. We improve our odds by 20 some percent?

We also don't need roles to fucking scum hunt. Sheriff claims later in the game pose more of a detriment to town. If they want to counter claim it is not a coin flip because we have the ability to fucking play the game.