S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

[ika]

Ta for the meta (bold).

How much have you played with Mesk and why sheep her there? / Are random votes a common thing here?

Do you have meta on any of the other players in the game (expectations/theories as to how they play in each alignment)?

Why sign up if you don't like the proposed gamestyle??

every game she has claimed cit/pr she has been town, every time she has played scum she has not claimed cit. outside of that ive seen enough form her to kinda know what to expect (espcially scince last gzme she ws scum i was catching onto her)

yes random votes are more or less a thing they tend to be more conslidated near EOD

i think the only one i would know fully know would be yzb becasue apprently he does know how to apply himself but that might be only when hes not under an alignment. everyone else i would at least have a small baseline for what i would be expecting as town/scum

[ika]

Hope you're the cultist leader, Lil bish.

i wish i was, i would recuit you n1 just to make you madder

[ika]

Fight Fight Fight

=)

[Firebringer]

Ika is probably town too

[Gyrlander]

i wish i was, i would recuit you n1 just to make you madder

Meh, I'm masochist so that would make me horny

[ika]

Anyway, this setup is obviously very unlike a vanilla mafia setup, yet Ika hasn't delved into strategy at all. It goes without saying he thinks quite deeply about strategies to satisfy wincons, so this is weird as fuck. I'm expecting a sexy explanation for your minimal allusions to crappy strategies later on.

this game is vanilla overall though. we are just hunting a single scum player. do you really want me to reveal the best idea on how to play cult leader? or at least what i think best idea is?

[ika]

Spoiler : Ika :

@ everyone
My initial take on all this was that it was possibly awkward and irrelevant in the current game/setup and therefore fluff and filler and possi-scummy, but tbh this bothers me less on re-read than it did on first pass.
At worst it's null, at best it's invitation to get a new player involved?

@ika
- do you regularly read past games for other players?
- do you have insight/reads for the current game?

yes i do. any new player i like to get links to old games. i will look at them after wrok (just work up so catching up) i tend to at least skim it to get a baseline of what i should be expecting.

reads are as follow:
town:
mesk

nulls:
just about everyone else

scum:
stealthbomber (if he doesnt do anything soon)

your leaning town right now only due to activity levels

[ika]

Ika is probably town too

if your the cult leader can you recuit me n1?

[ika]

Meh, I'm masochist so that would make me horny

is that why you enjoy being lynched all the time?

[Stealthbomber16]

I bet Stealthbomber16 is MattZed's alt.
In posts #162 and #167, both of them used the same syntax to end sentences, that is no syntax. If you'll also note the timestamps, it shows that both of them were on at the nearly the same time, both posts being made within 26 minutes of each other.
In post #223, which was early in day 2, Stealthbomber16 opens with the words "Long live the emperor". Not coincidentally, MattZed at the end of day 2 hammers and posts "Quite a short day. Hopefully, the next day will be more productive." which are both in reference to the length of time. A scum boast if I ever seen one.

-vote Stealthbomber16

Look it up for yourself if you don't believe me.

Shit!

yes i do. any new player i like to get links to old games. i will look at them after wrok (just work up so catching up) i tend to at least skim it to get a baseline of what i should be expecting.

reads are as follow:
town:
mesk

nulls:
just about everyone else

scum:
stealthbomber (if he doesnt do anything soon)

your leaning town right now only due to activity levels

Will pick up in action over the next week. As of now, scumread me!

[Gyrlander]

is that why you enjoy being lynched all the time?

I should really start thinking about the reputation I have here...

[Mesk514]

Hi, i'm mesk and i love cake. the more chocolate layers and double stuffing the better. nothing can go wrong with white icing on the top ;)

my vagina quivers everytime someone questions my gender and I 99.9% of the time town. When i'm not, i get stacked with useless teammates like purebe, and firebringer.... when im with good people () we win cause her vagina queefs in british which makes the men go wild and theres absolutely no way to lynch her.

so with that being said, theres one cultist, im not it.

so if you look at the list in the first post, i see Quicks name. he must be it.

[Mesk514]

i think i accurately answered any questions about me or my play.

[yzb25]

*Bounces*

Why Gyrlander over SB, who you're light scum-reading with meta backup? Or Ika, who you're finding weird af?

Can you elaborate on the meta with SB? IIRC the dude has made one post: an emote with chopsticks and rice. And it's still really early game. Is that unusual for them as Town?


Both you and @Mesk514 have mentioned host meta... what is that and is it really a reliable thing?

For my part, if it helps, I hadn't spoken to Matt at all pre-rand other than to chat-request on Skype. What do you mean about 'decent experience' and 'a very good chance Matt was aware'?
I don't think anyone was metareading me at all, Town or otherwise, because I'm new. I can't tell whether your comment is just good general advice, or whether you're setting me up as someone you can fence-sit on later on?

SB seemed to "care" a bit more about avoiding being a piece of shit that says nothing game-related. The way he dropped in and did nothing but a shitpost seemed like an open provocation - a sort of "Yeah. I'm here. I'm reading. But I'm not going to contribute. #dealwithit"

It felt like he's only pretending to be an apathetic, disinterested town though, esp. after his recent post:

I bet Stealthbomber16 is MattZed's alt.
In posts #162 and #167, both of them used the same syntax to end sentences, that is no syntax. If you'll also note the timestamps, it shows that both of them were on at the nearly the same time, both posts being made within 26 minutes of each other.
In post #223, which was early in day 2, Stealthbomber16 opens with the words "Long live the emperor". Not coincidentally, MattZed at the end of day 2 hammers and posts "Quite a short day. Hopefully, the next day will be more productive." which are both in reference to the length of time. A scum boast if I ever seen one.

-vote Stealthbomber16


Look it up for yourself if you don't believe me.

Shit!

yes i do. any new player i like to get links to old games. i will look at them after wrok (just work up so catching up) i tend to at least skim it to get a baseline of what i should be expecting.

reads are as follow:
town:
mesk

nulls:
just about everyone else

scum:
stealthbomber (if he doesnt do anything soon)

your leaning town right now only due to activity levels

Will pick up in action over the next week. As of now, scumread me!

He's clearly addressing criticisms leveled at him / defending himself, but simultaneously adopting a nonchalant tone about the criticisms. If he doesn't care about the scumreads on him, why does he feel the need to make his only other post about addressing minor, non-threatening concerns, rather than a read or even another shitpost? Makes it look fake.

In a setup like this, it's particularly beneficial as cult leader to wait a while before pushing an agenda, because you haven't even locked in your teammates yet.

However, yeah I have reasons for choosing Gyr over SB. I also wanna clarify the situation with Ika before jumping to conclusions.

[yzb25]

#TOWNREAD

You clearly have the capacity to read posts, get feelings of towniness/scuminess, then convert those feelings into words, yet you don't. Goddammit man T_T.

SHARE MORE THOUGHTS.

[yzb25]

this game is vanilla overall though. we are just hunting a single scum player. do you really want me to reveal the best idea on how to play cult leader? or at least what i think best idea is?

It's quite obvious that, ignoring WIFOM, the cultmaster will favor down-the-line players who haven't committed to any reads - we don't need to dance around that. As such, it's a reasonable move to PL one of the inactives who fails to adapt to the setup - that will give town a solid advantage. If we try to hit cultmaster d1 by taking the 20-25% chance approx. (all things considered), we won't get any info from a townflip because there's next-to-no associations yet.

You may have a better strategy that I have missed.

[secondpassing]

Spoiler : Secondpassing :

@ everyone
The tone and timing of the first post (after Ika has already brought it up) read off to me and I'm still waiting on clarification wrt the logic of the whole 'doesn't sound very new' (why was this even important?) later followed by ''new is good for me' 'because then I don't have to go around explaining why new players need to be read differently').

Second post made me lol but it's null until I see what SP does with it.

@secondpassing
- What were you looking for with your questions? / Did they help you form any sort of insight/lean?
- Can you clarify the logic of the 'new' comments?

Those were some loaded questions there. (especially when you preface them like that)
What I was "looking for with [my] questions" should have been very obvious.

This is how our conversation went:
Me: Hi. How was your day?
Cass: Fine.
Me: ...
Cass: ....
Me: (So is she going to tell me about her day or will she ask me how my day was?) ...
Cass: .... I think you're weird.
Me: :/

To answer your question directly, I asked those questions because I wanted to get to know you better. Mesk would say that is because I am male, and I would say it is because I need to find out people's personalities before getting a read on them. Both of which are true. I was helped to get a sort of insight and lean.

Those 'new' comments should be logically sound. And I was under the impression you understood, which makes me wonder why you ask about it.
If you insist, it must mean you don't (?) I said those new comments because
1. determining a player's experience is vital to forming a read on them
2. not having to go around explaining why new players should be read differently saves me a lot of typing
2a. I'm lazy
2b. changing how other people find find is not a priority right now

I'm quite amazed how quickly your tone changed.

[secondpassing]

this game is vanilla overall though. we are just hunting a single scum player. do you really want me to reveal the best idea on how to play cult leader? or at least what i think best idea is?

no please dont

[yzb25]

Ika is probably town too

@Firebringer

Please accompany these with a couple-lines of explanation as to why. From the timing/context of your post, one can often vaguely inferior your reasons, but if you're so vague you can easily pivot later.

[secondpassing]

You clearly have the capacity to read posts, get feelings of towniness/scuminess, then convert those feelings into words, yet you don't. Goddammit man T_T.

SHARE MORE THOUGHTS.

Just read closer into why Gyrlander would have posted that town read. (i.e. read the quote that was included in his post)
Gyrlander is pretty town looking for being true to self.

[secondpassing]

@yzb25 Your vote will do more on Stealthbomber16 than Gyrlander. Vote with me~

[yzb25]

I don't give AF that Gyr is a townread - his potential conversion is still the larger threat, unless he pulls his shit together. If SB really turns out to be trash obv!scum, he won't be able to suddenly turn it around and slip back into the background - we'll have an ez win either way. But the risk of a converted Gyr will harrow us for the rest of this game unless we make him talk now for conversion reads later.

[Stealthbomber16]

@yzb25 Your vote will do more on Stealthbomber16 than Gyrlander. Vote with me~

Your vote is shit.

[Stealthbomber16]

I don't give AF that Gyr is a townread - his potential conversion is still the larger threat, unless he pulls his shit together. If SB really turns out to be trash obv!scum, he won't be able to suddenly turn it around and slip back into the background - we'll have an ez win either way. But the risk of a converted Gyr will harrow us for the rest of this game unless we make him talk now for conversion reads later.

As of right now the plan is to pick up the activity hopefully later today. I apologize for my lurkiness right now but next week is a break and I will probably have loads of time.

[Mesk514]

hello, confirmed mason here.... we're getting quick today

[Cass]

Hey everyone what's up?
I haven't read anything or setup.

Wanted to claim power role but I'll hold onto that for awhile

Will enjoy this.

Yzb and mesk are town reads.

I have done my job here.
Will return later.

Is this (pop in with Town reads only, pop out) normal for FB as Town?

FTR I don't disagree with Yzb and Mesk as (light) Town reads, for now \o/

@Firebringer
Could you link me to a recent Town game pls?

[Cass]

every game she has claimed cit/pr she has been town, every time she has played scum she has not claimed cit. outside of that ive seen enough form her to kinda know what to expect (espcially scince last gzme she ws scum i was catching onto her)

yes random votes are more or less a thing they tend to be more conslidated near EOD

i think the only one i would know fully know would be yzb becasue apprently he does know how to apply himself but that might be only when hes not under an alignment. everyone else i would at least have a small baseline for what i would be expecting as town/scum

I like this reasoning from Ika wrt Mesk.
I also think the branching out in the later reads post cancels out the possi-sus wrt sheepy vote on Quick.

this game is vanilla overall though. we are just hunting a single scum player. do you really want me to reveal the best idea on how to play cult leader? or at least what i think best idea is?

I thought too much about this post. First impression had it as Towny lean for not launching into explanation but eh /shrug, probably null.

yes i do. any new player i like to get links to old games. i will look at them after wrok (just work up so catching up) i tend to at least skim it to get a baseline of what i should be expecting.

reads are as follow:
town:
mesk

nulls:
just about everyone else

scum:
stealthbomber (if he doesnt do anything soon)

your leaning town right now only due to activity levels

I do this too when I have time, and don't hate it as a strategy

Can you expand on reasoning wrt stealthbomber?

What if anything do you make of Mesk's repeated push on Quick and Yzb's insistence on lynching possible conversion candidate over scum?

FTR activity is pretty alignment null for me, I tend to post what I can when I'm around, but availability is erratic, regardless of what I rand.


FTR I have Ika trending up from responses and recent interactions/tone.

[Cass]

Rushing now cos I have training in 2 mins, I'll be back later to elaborate but

@secondpassing - Does my tone change bother you though? If so, why?

@yzb25 - I don't follow your reasoning wrt Gyr. Better to hunt for Cult leader today, and sus out possi-converted while still hunting leader D2 if we fail? Mislynching a Town player today only increases the chances that Cult leader converts a Townie.

?

[Mesk514]

(espcially scince last gzme she ws scum i was catching onto her)

besides the large FM, it's been a really long time since I've played scum lol

[secondpassing]

Your vote is shit.

Yours is too.

[secondpassing]

I don't give AF that Gyr is a townread - his potential conversion is still the larger threat, unless he pulls his shit together. If SB really turns out to be trash obv!scum, he won't be able to suddenly turn it around and slip back into the background - we'll have an ez win either way. But the risk of a converted Gyr will harrow us for the rest of this game unless we make him talk now for conversion reads later.

yzb, your intentions are misplaced. I get what you're getting at, but the thing is if you believe he is not the cult leader we never have to lynch Gyrlander this game. It's not in our win condition.
You speak as though if scum converted Gyrlander he would "harrow" us for the rest of the game, but this is not true. If he doesn't participate in a way we understand, he will hold no influence.

[secondpassing]

Rushing now cos I have training in 2 mins, I'll be back later to elaborate but

@secondpassing - Does my tone change bother you though? If so, why?

@yzb25 - I don't follow your reasoning wrt Gyr. Better to hunt for Cult leader today, and sus out possi-converted while still hunting leader D2 if we fail? Mislynching a Town player today only increases the chances that Cult leader converts a Townie.

?

Your tone change bothers me because it bothers me. Legit do not want to explain this.

Mislynching a town player simply means we didn't lynch the cult leader. That is all.

[Mesk514]

Your tone change bothers me because it bothers me. Legit do not want to explain this.

Mislynching a town player simply means we didn't lynch the cult leader. That is all.

Secondpassing my homieG, whats poppingggg

[Mesk514]

SP, how do you feel about me self appointing myself to town Mason Leader?
how do you feel about Ika following me?
how do you feel about me in general, are we pals?

do you trust me when i say i believe i can bring this town to victory? could you possibly blindly follow me with a Quick lynch.
what if i made a very convincing case?

[Stealthbomber16]

Yours is too.

I don't have mine on someone for bad reasoning though.

SP, how do you feel about me self appointing myself to town Mason Leader?
how do you feel about Ika following me?
how do you feel about me in general, are we pals?

do you trust me when i say i believe i can bring this town to victory? could you possibly blindly follow me with a Quick lynch.
what if i made a very convincing case?

I would very much like to see this case.

I don't give AF that Gyr is a townread - his potential conversion is still the larger threat, unless he pulls his shit together. If SB really turns out to be trash obv!scum, he won't be able to suddenly turn it around and slip back into the background - we'll have an ez win either way. But the risk of a converted Gyr will harrow us for the rest of this game unless we make him talk now for conversion reads later.

I don't really like this reasoning. You're basically saying that currently I'm too scummy to lynch at this point. What's stopping me from being cult leader? I'm the exact opposite of confirmed at this point, I'm scumread. Generally a scumread should equal being a primary target.

[Stealthbomber16]

@MattZed Can you add a link to the setup in the OP?

[Gyrlander]

Just read closer into why Gyrlander would have posted that town read. (i.e. read the quote that was included in his post)
Gyrlander is pretty town looking for being true to self.

I'm glad someone can see my obvious towniness. Another townread for this boy for pointing it out.

The scum circle becomes smaller.

[Mesk514]

I would very much like to see this case.

i wasn't talking to you though

[Stealthbomber16]

i wasn't talking to you though

Irrelevant.
Doesn't change the fact I want to read it.

[Gyrlander]

I don't give AF that Gyr is a townread - his potential conversion is still the larger threat, unless he pulls his shit together. If SB really turns out to be trash obv!scum, he won't be able to suddenly turn it around and slip back into the background - we'll have an ez win either way. But the risk of a converted Gyr will harrow us for the rest of this game unless we make him talk now for conversion reads later.

What's up with me being cultist resulting in the biggest threat ever to town in Sc2mafia? When did I become that good that I can destroy a complete team of townies? This REALLY sounds very strange yzb.

Bu..but... I'm good, no?

[Stealthbomber16]

I'm glad someone can see my obvious towniness. Another townread for this boy for pointing it out.

The scum circle becomes smaller.

Can't tell if serious or if sarcastic

[Gyrlander]

Can't tell if serious or if sarcastic

I'm never kidding when I give a town read to someone.

[Stealthbomber16]

What's up with me being cultist resulting in the biggest threat ever to town in Sc2mafia? When did I become that good that I can destroy a complete team of townies? This REALLY sounds very strange yzb.

Bu..but... I'm good, no?

If we're lynching purely off of a denial pick I'd actually point to yzb or cass. But we aren't lynching purely off of a denial pick because that is fucking stupid, and yzb needs to reconsider.

[Stealthbomber16]

I'm never kidding when I give a town read to someone.

So you're townreading someone for townreading you?

[Gyrlander]

So you're townreading someone for townreading you?

His townread was purely genuine. The Cultist Leader would be a bitch that would try to fake a townread, but secondpassing was really honest and kind.

[ika]

Got of fun work early gonna read up.

Will comment shortly as I wait for silver to pick me up

[yzb25]

Gyrlander, it appears it is physically impossible to dredge out a reason that justifies pressuring you in this setup. So, I'm gonna truce.

-unvote

I won't stop though. Every game you sign for with me I'll dedicate myself to pushing you. I don't give a fuck if I burn my own credibility and I become completely unable to exert real pressure. I refuse to just accept this as "site meta". Obviously I have nothing personal against your play style - this just happens to be mine.

So get hyped for the next game we're in together =3

[ika]

So I skipped quickly and some cliff notes:

I find it weird that both of my now scum reads (yzb/stealth) are scum reading each other.
I will check cassyown/scum game when I get home

Other that that I got to read again cus I'm just going off top of head in a fast manner

[ika]

FYI I hate mobile posting

It's why I never ever do it

[ika]

It's quite obvious that, ignoring WIFOM, the cultmaster will favor down-the-line players who haven't committed to any reads - we don't need to dance around that. As such, it's a reasonable move to PL one of the inactives who fails to adapt to the setup - that will give town a solid advantage. If we try to hit cultmaster d1 by taking the 20-25% chance approx. (all things considered), we won't get any info from a townflip because there's next-to-no associations yet.

You may have a better strategy that I have missed.

you relaize this is the dumbest thing ever right and that any good cult player would never do that