S-FM 200: Mafia Wars II

[Logically Insane]

THIS GAME IS A TOTAL FUCKING SHIT SHOW AND IT'S ONLY DAY ONE.

SEXY DUCK YOU GUYS ARE SO FUCKING MORONIC I HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO DEAL WITH YOUR CLAIM I HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHETHER TO LIE AND TELL THEN TELL THE TRUTH OR TELL THE TRUTH AND THEN LIE, FUCK YOU, YOU GUYS ARE THE FUCKING WORST... YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING BANNED FROM CANADA, WE CANT HAVE IDIOTS LIKE YOU GUYS AROUND OUR PRECIOUS AWESOME NOT RETARDED POPULATION.

you can make better by joining the vote on Unknown.

[God Emperor Trudeau]

you can make better by joining the vote on Unknown.

-vote SexYDucK

[Logically Insane]

i dont blame unknown for not interacting with g4slight, i have literally 0 interaction with him either

g4slight is a lurker

Yes but, given this is the exact same strat he used in the newbie game, although more forceful with pushing back on scum hunters....it warrants further investigation or a lynch. I could get behind a g4 d1 lynch. He's 100% scum. I believe Unknown to be repurposing a used strategy.

I'd love BCD and @Sino 's opinions on this.

[Logically Insane]

-vote SexYDucK

Don't throw.

[powerofdeath]

Yes but, given this is the exact same strat he used in the newbie game, although more forceful with pushing back on scum hunters....it warrants further investigation or a lynch. I could get behind a g4 d1 lynch. He's 100% scum. I believe Unknown to be repurposing a used strategy.

I'd love BCD and @Sino 's opinions on this.

lynch him then, pre flip association is shit

[powerofdeath]

-vote g4slight

leggo

[Logically Insane]

IF THESE PEOPLE ARE GAMETHROWING THEN SOMEONE TEMPBAN ALL OF THESE IDIOTS AFTERWARDS

[Logically Insane]

-unvote

[Logically Insane]

-vote G4slight

@Voss join us.

[Logically Insane]

okay half of players are online.

Please place your votes on top trains now.

I'm no longer risking EOD scum trying to push no lynch or soemthing stupid.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

@Borderline Crazy Dealers .. your thoughts, on unknown?

@Rurouni Kenshin how about you?

Unknown g4 scummates, thoughts?

What? what's going on itt?

[God Emperor Trudeau]

IF THESE PEOPLE ARE GAMETHROWING THEN SOMEONE TEMPBAN ALL OF THESE IDIOTS AFTERWARDS

FUCK YOU PTB, TEMP BAN ME FOR WHAT? I'D RATHER GET RID OF THE PROBLEMATIC PEOPLE THEN MISLYNCH.

[Voss]

THIS GAME IS A TOTAL FUCKING SHIT SHOW AND IT'S ONLY DAY ONE.

SEXY DUCK YOU GUYS ARE SO FUCKING MORONIC I HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO DEAL WITH YOUR CLAIM I HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHETHER TO LIE AND TELL THEN TELL THE TRUTH OR TELL THE TRUTH AND THEN LIE, FUCK YOU, YOU GUYS ARE THE FUCKING WORST... YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING BANNED FROM CANADA, WE CANT HAVE IDIOTS LIKE YOU GUYS AROUND OUR PRECIOUS AWESOME NOT RETARDED POPULATION.

yo. if you're actually godfather and he's consig, you gotta claim it. your vote on him is not giving us a clear path on what to do.

-vote g4slight

leggo

if we're policy lynching, we're going with you.

[Logically Insane]

FUCK YOU PTB, TEMP BAN ME FOR WHAT? I'D RATHER GET RID OF THE PROBLEMATIC PEOPLE THEN MISLYNCH.

AREN'T YOU MISLYNCHING THE PERSON YOU KNOW FOR A FACT IS TOWN?

[powerofdeath]

yo. if you're actually godfather and he's consig, you gotta claim it. your vote on him is not giving us a clear path on what to do.



if we're policy lynching, we're going with you.

lynch me then do it

[Logically Insane]

yo. if you're actually godfather and he's consig, you gotta claim it. your vote on him is not giving us a clear path on what to do.



if we're policy lynching, we're going with you.

i'm assuming he's in a drunken rage.

and the whole lie and truth thing means he's indirectly admitting it.

[Logically Insane]

g4 is stage 5 lurker - I think it's a good policy lynch.

I don't want anyone telling me about lynching your teammates because they're problematic. I'm not going into that argument again. Confirm him or don't, but don't throw mesk, please.

[Voss]

-vote G4slight

@Voss join us.

no. not policy lynching when there are better ones than him, and just because PoD voted him, isn't going to persuade me.

[Logically Insane]

WE ARE NOT POLICY LYNCHING AND WE ARE NOT LYNCHING THE UNCOUNTERCLAIMED CONSIG

[Logically Insane]

WE ARE NOT POLICY LYNCHING AND WE ARE NOT LYNCHING THE UNCOUNTERCLAIMED CONSIG

We have other reason besides lurking to lynch g4.

[Voss]

g4 is stage 5 lurker - I think it's a good policy lynch.

I don't want anyone telling me about lynching your teammates because they're problematic. I'm not going into that argument again. Confirm him or don't, but don't throw mesk, please.

also, i think 'lynching lurkers' in this game, with the longest day ever in history, isn't really fair to call people lurking. PoD's better than g4.

[powerofdeath]

no. not policy lynching when there are better ones than him, and just because PoD voted him, isn't going to persuade me.

you are so anti town, youre gonna do the opposite of what im gonna do

i vote someone, they become your biggest town read.

what if i said logically insane is my biggest town town, you gonna vote him?

youre my biggest town read, go vote urself and die

[Logically Insane]

UNKNOWN OR G4 FOR US. WE don't care, get on the train now boys and girls, you pick the car.

[Voss]

We have other reason besides lurking to lynch g4.

because of a supposed connection to Unknown...? we don't even know for sure if Unknown is scum or not. You said yourself this is Unknown's scum play. It makes 0 sense to lynch 'his scum partner'.

[God Emperor Trudeau]

UNKNOWN OR G4 FOR US. WE don't care, get on the train now boys and girls, you pick the car.

can never go wrong with this vote

-vote unknown1234

[Logically Insane]

-unvote

[Logically Insane]

-vote Unknown1234

[Logically Insane]

because of a supposed connection to Unknown...? we don't even know for sure if Unknown is scum or not. You said yourself this is Unknown's scum play. It makes 0 sense to lynch 'his scum partner'.

I know but POD is being an utter jerk.

We have to get 7 people to lynch the scum.

Assuming they are all townies.

POD is playing as anti town as possible so we are down to 9.
Shifty is lurking so thats 8.

This is the problem.

[Voss]

you are so anti town, youre gonna do the opposite of what im gonna do

i vote someone, they become your biggest town read.

what if i said logically insane is my biggest town town, you gonna vote him?

youre my biggest town read, go vote urself and die

g4 isn't my biggest townread... it feels like a policy lynch, if we're lynching him. which I'm okay with, but he's not the worst offender.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Is there a reason we are not lynching Ducks yet?

[powerofdeath]

i tried

-vote unknown1234

I actually read page 100-120 unintentionally, arent you guys proud of me

[Logically Insane]

Is there a reason we are not lynching Ducks yet?

Cause he was basically confirmed twice by both personas of thoreau.

[Voss]

Is there a reason we are not lynching Ducks yet?

trud confirmed him. at least enough for me.

[Logically Insane]

They just aren't outright saying it cause ya know scum.
Doc's pick the smarter choice. thanks.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Cause he was basically confirmed twice by both personas of thoreau.

OK.

I'm not voting for Unknown.

[ThePaladin]

BCD WE'VE SEEN YOU ON A WHILE FOR THE PAST 2 HOURS....

[powerofdeath]

trud confirmed him. at least enough for me.

Why do u scumread unknown? Answer without mentioning his interaction with G4Slight.

[powerofdeath]

BCD WE'VE SEEN YOU ON A WHILE FOR THE PAST 2 HOURS....

pro

[Logically Insane]

BCD WE'VE SEEN YOU ON A WHILE FOR THE PAST 2 HOURS....

SO ENRAGED I AM POSTING ON MY OTHER ACCOUNT

[Logically Insane]

I am also very annoyed by this game at this moment.

[powerofdeath]

OK.

I'm not voting for Unknown.

y nawt

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Lets do this:

-vote powerofdeath

reason: he is scum.

[Logically Insane]

OK.

I'm not voting for Unknown.

why

He has had no interactions in over 120 pages with g4 even when they are on at the same time.

DOESNT THAT SEEM STRANGE?

[Logically Insane]

OK.

I'm not voting for Unknown.

Why not?

[Logically Insane]

Lets do this:

-vote powerofdeath

reason: he is scum.

POD can just be the least caring townie in the world.
HE never cares.
That's his meta.
He is toxic.

K?

Get on unknown unless you cna give a reason not to and why our reasoning is bad?
Good?
K.

[powerofdeath]

Lets do this:

-vote powerofdeath

reason: he is scum.

come at me bro

[Voss]

Besides the fact that I think Logically Insane is pretty towny, you need to give us a break before anyone's going to really listen to you. If you want to be helpful you should chime in on other things that are going on, and not try to push an agenda that only you have.



Unknown is a character who was probably poking me to see what I'd do, I responded. Then really twisted and honed hard on some things that I really odn't think are true. The twisting and ignoring makes me think he saw me as low hanging fruit and tried to get a counter train on me going, and I don't see ANY town motivatedness from the way he's playing this on me. That's the succinct version.

[QUOTE=Voss;608743]

Spoiler : Unknown ISO/Pressure :

HOLY SHIT. I WAS POSTING FROM MY PHONE. PLEASE. tell me which you'd rather prefer. me not posting at all, or periodically trying to say something.


And this is the best 'recent' post of Unknown.



WRONG. I said I haven't ever pressured people. Not that I don't pressure people because I think its a bad idea. I've already addressed this back to you, and no one ELSE has chosen to pick up on that. You're twisting what I said to try to get false negative attention on me. Negative attention is fine, even false negative attention is fine. That can be used for reaction under pressure. But repeatedly saying a twisted version of what I said to try to paint me as scum has NO TOWN MOTIVATION.



Where's the opportunity for me to tell my opinion if "im lurking." You really can't call someone a lurker and also say I'm not town for not giving an opinion, if I'm saying I don't HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. I'm also not avoiding. My other quotes have me needlessly inserting myself into discussions that were over because it seems they've forgotten when I actually said something about it. (Like who's against shifty, something about LI).

Also, there are pretty few scum in this game to begin with. If you'd like me to name my top 3 scum, I can. But when I do you're going to say I have no backup to this and dismiss it. Which is why I'm doing this now.

I guess this is a good point to bring this post back because it really speaks for itself

Spoiler : VossQuote :

Too lazy to format this properly, but all the "" stuff is Unknown, and below is me responding
"What makes me wonder is why he suddenly has such strong feelings towards players."
You're quoting my response to duck dude, and he asked people to comment on his reads, so I did. I wouldn't call it strong feelings.

"Why do you have me Kovath and powerofdeath as top suspects?"
Kovath and you's early game chatter was content I didn't like. Or at least one of you. I can't remember atm. but I'm not going to vote you since you talked before them.

"If this is your reads list"
This isn't really my reads list, maybe more of a snapshot, and a response to duck dude

"powerofdeath has not provided enough (in my opinion) to be considered a top scum pick"
OG reasons, as stated. Duck dude was my top scum pick, but his claim makes me rethink.

"Also, why is Shifty a town read for you @Voss ? I really wonder about this because everyone seems to put him as a scum, so interesting to see you touch this subject."
As I said, I lump him with Logically, they had similar ideas.

"BCD has no description as well, but on the town side. Care to elaborate?"
What I said earlier: "I agree completely with you on this". It means I agree with what duck dude said. He was one of the few people in the beginning that didn't rub me the wrong way. at least he rubbed me the least.

"Feel like this needs more information in order for me to get a strong feeling for him. The overall feeling for me is he cannot come up with legitimate reasoning behind his reads, and considering he does not seem to pressure anyone it is hard to see him as any more then a town hiding in the back or a scum trying to suck up to people."

Let me rephrase this for you. Here's Voss. Hey Voss, can you elaborate on some of these reads. Hey everyone else, Voss can't come up with legitimate reasonings behind his reads. I'm not even going to wait for a response. I'm going to jump to this conclusion.

"Once again, your willing to vote us but yet don't provide any reasoning why. Why do you want to vote us? Voss really needs to be more descriptive about his reads."

You posted this twice. It seems like you're trying to really impress that post into people so like two other people said it. And again, you said "If this is your reads list", then calls my reads undescriptive.

"Two things about these that i would like to comment on. He seems to have a strong opinion based on players being defensive, and indicating that it is a good way to find scum. I cannot say i agree with this. I for one have been town in games and been seen as scum as defensive. I don't agree with the reading of being defensive is scum because everyone can be defensive. Especially if people are insulting you. Defensiveness should not be used as a scum tell in my opinion. The second point is where he says that he does not pressure people. How can a townie be beneficial and NOT pressure anyone. It really feels like there is a scum that is trying to hide in the background and does not want to bring attention to themselves. Regardless, @Voss why do you choose not to pressure anyone? As well as how does not pressuring anyone make it more difficult for scum?"

I wouldn't really call two posts about defensiveness a strong opinion on players being defensive. And I definitely clarified the post you quoted in a way that I was backing away from my stance on defensiveness. Then you go into this whole tirade how people shouldn't scum read people as being defensive. Again, the similar theme here is that you pick and choose what I say, say a shpiel, and then say how I'm wrong and it seems scummy. I don't like this.

In addition, A townie can be beneficial by not directly pressuring by rallying votes, and being active, and voting. If everyone's doing this though, I can see how it's not that beneficial. But it's the fact that some people don't do this and just lurk, while others are pressuring people that I think should be pressured, because I agree with them that they're scummy. yeah, so that's how I think a townie can be beneficial by not pressuring people. I think of it as supporting, and not causing TOO many discussions to happen at once. Though maybe this strategy isn't as beneficial in SFMs. I think this also addresses why I don't 'choose to pressure anyone.' Which is not what I said. I jsut haven't done it. Not that I choose to not do it.

There were 6 questions in here. Unknown's playstyle to seem towny is to ask all these deep questions that ask a lot from the player, and I think there weren't responses. (just checked, there weren't). If he was actually interested in it, he'd have made the questions more bold, and tried harder for answers.

Okay, now I'm caught up. Some of the above might be a bit out of order, but I think ya'll'll get it.

here you go @powerofdeath

[powerofdeath]

Voss this your chance, join him

[Rurouni Kenshin]

why

He has had no interactions in over 120 pages with g4 even when they are on at the same time.

DOESNT THAT SEEM STRANGE?

Point is seen, but its not super solid. Do you have actual scummy behavior on them?

IMO POD is playing like FBI

[Logically Insane]

Lets do this:

-vote powerofdeath

reason: he is scum.

No he is being a douche, and he is anti town.
Theres a difference.

He isn't playing, and normally I would 100% be down for this policy on his ass.
Except we have a scum read on G4, we are lynching them.