S-FM 225: WIFOM Mafia Q

[ika]

Ika is a very emotional player. Go back over what he wrote and tell me that the things he posted was NOT a reaction.


I literally cannot tell what you said.

No evidence that I'm NOT a pr.



knew.



The basis behind lynching me is a reaction vote and preserving ika?

No evidence that I'm NOT a pr.

there is more then enough evidence at hand to give a indicator if your pr or not.

when your me who knows what to look for its more or less obvious when someone is pr. is it absolute? no but it tends to be right at least 80% of the time

you reaction test was weak as shit becasue my reactions was not based on me being a joker target (cus i already knew who joker is becasue adj targeted me) its more of the fact that your play (if your cit) is anti-town and you already know my reactions/emotional stuff is NAI

[Fury]

thats the point. however we get 2 detective who cna hunt out mafia then.

joker cant be detected and sj refuses to even aknowlage that fact. nor the fact that if stealth is town and joker kills us both that its two towns dead instead of only one

its why if we are going to play optimal its to lynch joker first and then jester becasue we can treat jester as our lynch to kill off someone espicaly if a detective were to come out witha guilty.

Ahhhhh now I see a bit more clearly. Also, can't joker's first target be detected? It's only the 2nd target that isn't detectable.

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[ika]

Also if ya'll are gonna call me out for reading in my spare time then I'm just gonna put invis mode back on.

Can't be lurking if you aren't seen there.

i will call it out regardless. if your jsut skim reading then make it known as such.

[ika]

Ahhhhh now I see a bit more clearly. Also, can't joker's first target be detected? It's only the 2nd target that isn't detectable.

SHEEP BLOCK ASSEMBLE

ill jsut quote the rolecard

Joker :
Target a first target (Seen by investigatives) and a secondary target, may self target.
When two are targeted, one of the two must be lynched during day.
Lynching someone other than the two Joker targets will allow the Joker to decide their fate (kill one/both or spare, this isn't seen by investigatives).
If this happens, the Joker may discard their original action the following night to plant a bomb to a targeted player.
Bomb causes everyone in that house (thus no visit / being visited) to die.

The Joker has a limited 4 kills from his manual kill ability, this does not reflect on Bomb.

does this answer the question?

im jsut going to leave a tab open with setup form now on when i play becasue reading a setup is so hard for some people

[Fury]

i will call it out regardless. if your jsut skim reading then make it known as such.

Like meeeee

[Fury]

@ika , that means 2nd target isn't detectable, no?

[Stealthbomber16]

there is more then enough evidence at hand to give a indicator if your pr or not.

when your me who knows what to look for its more or less obvious when someone is pr. is it absolute? no but it tends to be right at least 80% of the time

you reaction test was weak as shit becasue my reactions was not based on me being a joker target (cus i already knew who joker is becasue adj targeted me) its more of the fact that your play (if your cit) is anti-town and you already know my reactions/emotional stuff is NAI

Joker is only seen visiting one target. "adj" could be detective or agent, you don't know. Since cits can visit there is also the opportunity of him being fucking retarded.

I'd like to see some of these "indicators" if I'm PR or not. Lets see if you pick up a nonexistent crumb or two.

I'd also like to think you wouldn't have hard claimed LO if it weren't for my vote but you're just gonna claim it's not true regardless to keep your ego intact.

[Fury]

Target a first target (Seen by investigatives) and a secondary target, may self target.

The emphasis on the first target being seen and the 2nd target having nothing next to it means the 2nd target can't be detected....

[ika]

@ika , that means 2nd target isn't detectable, no?

correct. however the kills (on one or both) cant be detected. only the marking

[Stealthbomber16]

FYI claiming LO was a bad thing to do. Ika is gonna be the second joker target every night now.

[Fury]

correct. however the kills (on one or both) cant be detected. only the marking

No worries, my son. Conventional means may not be able to find Joker, but Jesus is on our side.

[Fury]

Where the fuck is the Batman????

[ika]

Joker is only seen visiting one target. "adj" could be detective or agent, you don't know. Since cits can visit there is also the opportunity of him being fucking retarded.

I'd like to see some of these "indicators" if I'm PR or not. Lets see if you pick up a nonexistent crumb or two.

I'd also like to think you wouldn't have hard claimed LO if it weren't for my vote but you're just gonna claim it's not true regardless to keep your ego intact.

any cit who did not self visit deserves to be dead. he was in here ealier and never answered anything

the indicators are about your posting itself and what you are doing. its not about crumbs

i would of claimed it regardless. i had results i was waiting for the 24 hr mark. if you were reading the day phase at all it was clear i had results that incriminated him and was planning on revealing. when im makred for joker i consider myself dead man walking so me not claiming (and you not claiming if your a pr with or without results) is anti-town becasue joker cna just kill you and outright make it that you have nothing to say.

[ika]

FYI claiming LO was a bad thing to do. Ika is gonna be the second joker target every night now.

then detective can out the joker and i can still lookout others and find him.

im dead man reagrdless and joker will have me killed so i dont get your logic

[Stealthbomber16]

any cit who did not self visit deserves to be dead. he was in here ealier and never answered anything

the indicators are about your posting itself and what you are doing. its not about crumbs

i would of claimed it regardless. i had results i was waiting for the 24 hr mark. if you were reading the day phase at all it was clear i had results that incriminated him and was planning on revealing. when im makred for joker i consider myself dead man walking so me not claiming (and you not claiming if your a pr with or without results) is anti-town becasue joker cna just kill you and outright make it that you have nothing to say.

Seeing as how I'm a top scumread for a confirmed town, wouldn't it be more incriminating if the joker framed me by not killing me, thereby wasting a town lynch day?

[ika]

Seeing as how I'm a top scumread for a confirmed town, wouldn't it be more incriminating if the joker framed me by not killing me, thereby wasting a town lynch day?

joker need agents dead. if adjech is joker its moot point becasue jester will kill him or he will be lynched.

joker benifites more by removing both targets instead of jsut leaving them be.

[Stealthbomber16]

then detective can out the joker and i can still lookout others and find him.

im dead man reagrdless and joker will have me killed so i dont get your logic

I'm basing this off of the presumption that alijach is not joker because I'm not convinced he is.

Joker can just keep you alive because you're busy leading town on a wild goose hunt to kill alijach the PR and then after that, me, then after that if you have no other scumreads he can kill you then.

[Stealthbomber16]

joker need agents dead. if adjech is joker its moot point becasue jester will kill him or he will be lynched.

joker benifites more by removing both targets instead of jsut leaving them be.

You're basing this entire assumption off of the possibility that alijach is not detective.

@Alijach

Get your ass in here.

[ika]

I'm basing this off of the presumption that alijach is not joker because I'm not convinced he is.

Joker can just keep you alive because you're busy leading town on a wild goose hunt to kill alijach the PR and then after that, me, then after that if you have no other scumreads he can kill you then.

i have other scum reads. you must also realzie that if joker sends us on a said "goose chase" hes risking himself of being outed to a detective/lookout to begin with.

[ika]

You're basing this entire assumption off of the possibility that alijach is not detective.

@Alijach

Get your ass in here.

reading is hard isnt it. ive already covered that point. let him defend himself

[ika]

or you cna read where i expalined why him as detective, targeting me makes little to no sense

[Stealthbomber16]

i have other scum reads. you must also realzie that if joker sends us on a said "goose chase" hes risking himself of being outed to a detective/lookout to begin with.

If joker is presumed to be said person then chances are they're also townread and the chances are low that a det would target them. Its a risky play but I don't see a confirming reason why they would not be doing it. I personally believe I would, not that it matters to you of course.

[Fury]

Tbh, Alijach is becoming increasingly scummy to me as time goes on. Even if he comes back, I'm not sure he'd easily change my opinion.

[ika]

If joker is presumed to be said person then chances are they're also townread and the chances are low that a det would target them. Its a risky play but I don't see a confirming reason why they would not be doing it. I personally believe I would, not that it matters to you of course.

if dets are hunting for a joker they should be targeting more on a ranodm basis. if they are hunting mafia they should be targeting scum reads.

[Fury]

Look at my avatar. Who would want to hurt a cute little soul like me? Barbarians. That's who.

[Stealthbomber16]

reading is hard isnt it. ive already covered that point. let him defend himself

Yes, reading is hard. Quote it for me.

or you cna read where i expalined why him as detective, targeting me makes little to no sense

Targeting anybody makes little to no sense N0.

[Stealthbomber16]

Look at my avatar. Who would want to hurt a cute little soul like me? Barbarians. That's who.

What the fuck have you been doing the last while?

Irrelevant because you're going to drop it and give us reads on people who are not in this TvT between me and ika.


And yes I realize I'm hard defending alijach because I fail to see where the Joker is in his posts.

[Unknown1234]

That basically discourages his return lol.

Hi Gyrlander!!

[ika]

Yes, reading is hard. Quote it for me.

is an iso hard to do? i mena your a person who complains about people not reading stuff so ironic isnt it

Targeting anybody makes little to no sense N0.

so bascily you have defeated your own defense that you have made for him.

good to know

[ika]

What the fuck have you been doing the last while?

Irrelevant because you're going to drop it and give us reads on people who are not in this TvT between me and ika.


And yes I realize I'm hard defending alijach because I fail to see where the Joker is in his posts.

this is why your wrong all the time, you look just at post and ntohing else.

also @Fury dont answer stealth and his read question you already ddi that and hes clearly not reading

[Stealthbomber16]

This discussion on alijach is going nowhere and it will go nowhere until he makes his returning post.
I would like to explore other avenues of discussion.

inb4 ika finds a way to twist this post into me being mafia godfather or some shit
inb4 ika yells at me for mentioning a role that isnt in the game

[Unknown1234]

What the fuck have you been doing the last while?

Irrelevant because you're going to drop it and give us reads on people who are not in this TvT between me and ika.


And yes I realize I'm hard defending alijach because I fail to see where the Joker is in his posts.

Where is the town in his posts? Unless you are saying he is Agent, which actually makes no difference and should be killed regardless.

[Mesk514]

any cit who did not self visit deserves to be dead.

tbh, now that you say this im super tempted to visit someone tonight lol

even though it would go against alright always best town mesk

[ika]

That basically discourages his return lol.

Hi Gyrlander!!

thats kinda the point.

if hes cit he targeted me becasue ________

if hes det he targeted me becasue ________

if hes joker he targeted me becasue _______

if hes agent he targeted me becasue ________

i mena its not hard to fill in blanks

[Mesk514]

almighty ***** not alright

[Unknown1234]

This discussion on alijach is going nowhere and it will go nowhere until he makes his returning post.
I would like to explore other avenues of discussion.

inb4 ika finds a way to twist this post into me being mafia godfather or some shit
inb4 ika yells at me for mentioning a role that isnt in the game

Then please discuss with someone or make a case on another scum-read.

[Unknown1234]

thats kinda the point.

if hes cit he targeted me becasue ________

if hes det he targeted me becasue ________

if hes joker he targeted me becasue _______

if hes agent he targeted me becasue ________

i mena its not hard to fill in blanks

Whoops! I meant to quote Fury this was directed at him sorry.

[Stealthbomber16]

so bascily you have defeated your own defense that you have made for him.

good to know

This game is fucking soul crushing. I can't tell if this guy is just retarded or if he's just high.

I'm apparently a dull-minded individual. Enlighten me on why I've defeated my own case against alijach?

[Mesk514]

ika, did you claim lookout or detective?

[ika]

This discussion on alijach is going nowhere and it will go nowhere until he makes his returning post.
I would like to explore other avenues of discussion.

inb4 ika finds a way to twist this post into me being mafia godfather or some shit
inb4 ika yells at me for mentioning a role that isnt in the game

we have been dicussing stuff where the fuck have you been?

tbh, now that you say this im super tempted to visit someone tonight lol

even though it would go against alright always best town mesk

if you visited me and claimed cit i would probally beelive it.

[Fury]

What the fuck have you been doing the last while?

Irrelevant because you're going to drop it and give us reads on people who are not in this TvT between me and ika.


And yes I realize I'm hard defending alijach because I fail to see where the Joker is in his posts.

I already gave my leads and I view Alijach as scum. The fact that you're defending him and not offering sufficient reason to do so (imo) makes me view you more as scum now. But, that is only if Alijach is scum. Since Alijach is likely joker, you defending him makes me believe you're scum wanting to keep him alive. It's pretty silly, but it's very easy to read. I'm trolling my ass off because until more information is presented, I have a scum read on both of you.

[ika]

This game is fucking soul crushing. I can't tell if this guy is just retarded or if he's just high.

I'm apparently a dull-minded individual. Enlighten me on why I've defeated my own case against alijach?

why dont you read your own post and explain to me how it doesnt basicly go aaginst what you are trying to defend him on

ika, did you claim lookout or detective?

lookout

[ika]

I already gave my leads and I view Alijach as scum. The fact that you're defending him and not offering sufficient reason to do so (imo) makes me view you more as scum now. But, that is only if Alijach is scum. Since Alijach is likely joker, you defending him makes me believe you're scum wanting to keep him alive. It's pretty silly, but it's very easy to read. I'm trolling my ass off because until more information is presented, I have a scum read on both of you.

psssst: just lynch him if hes not dead, hes porb scum. hes like SJ: dense as hell and only focused on discrediting

[Stealthbomber16]

Where is the town in his posts? Unless you are saying he is Agent, which actually makes no difference and should be killed regardless.

I've been saying all of his posts are giving me a null read literally all game and I've been yelled at for it literally all game.

Then please discuss with someone or make a case on another scum-read.

Alright: Fury is agent.

Going to go now.

[SuperJack]

Cake.

[Fury]

Maybe Alijach is detective and I'm scum reading you unfairly, but considering Alijach is afk (seems to be a trend, huh), I have no information with which to change my read in any informed way. So, I will maintain my read as the argument you two have had has not sufficiently moved me. Am I missing something?

[Stealthbomber16]

I already gave my leads and I view Alijach as scum. The fact that you're defending him and not offering sufficient reason to do so (imo) makes me view you more as scum now. But, that is only if Alijach is scum. Since Alijach is likely joker, you defending him makes me believe you're scum wanting to keep him alive. It's pretty silly, but it's very easy to read. I'm trolling my ass off because until more information is presented, I have a scum read on both of you.

[ika]

I've been saying all of his posts are giving me a null read literally all game and I've been yelled at for it literally all game.



Alright: Fury is agent.

Going to go now.

go on....

explain the scum read

[Fury]

Don't shoot the

[ika]

this is now the part where i go out on a limb and say i would laugh if the scum team was unknown/fury/SJ or something

i mean i wouldnt even be mad becasue i can see at least one scum in there for seprate reasons but becasue towns are jsut hell bent on their own view its prob a town loss already