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  2. ISO #552

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    >When you call someone scum for keeping lynch options open as you make a post declaring your lynch options are open

    I don't even think you're scum anymore because of Titus's flip but your arguments against me are weak.

    Let's start a new hype train AWAY FROM ME
    -vote Superjack
    Worthless. Go Train yourself.
    Cryptonic made this sig

    Quote Originally Posted by HentaiManOfPeace View Post
    gotchu fam

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  3. ISO #553

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Okay, no.
    @Whad , if you're town, you REALLY need to stop assuming your own innocence is self-evident. Regardless of your alignment, there have been legitimately scummy things in your posts, and when people vote you for it, it doesn't make them scum. You're proposing that your EoD train was 100% scum. When has that ever happened? Really, I understand scum wanting to coordinate to save their own, but when is a train ONLY scum, especially on D1?

    And besides, the "scum were voting Whad to save Titus" idea ENTIRELY misses the chronology of what happened. Crypt made a switch at last minute, long after many players would have been able to vote to save a scum partner. Hell, with how close it was, there's a very good chance a scum vote was sitting on Titus that couldn't be moved in time (*coughMeskcough*) Unless Orpz is somehow playing waaaaay better than I know him to as scum, your train was town driven and you need to accept that.

    The notion that Orpz and I are scumbuddies is absurd and needs to stop right now.
    @Cryptonic , if you're sincere about being okay with a SuperJack lynch, then join me. He's in my lynch pool, and if he's in yours then you should have no problem changing.

    -vote SuperJack
    AAAAAAAAND The Second Mafia is voting me.

    Look at all the Mafia voting me. Without Reason.


    Whats the point, you lose tomorrow anyway.
    Cryptonic made this sig

    Quote Originally Posted by HentaiManOfPeace View Post
    gotchu fam

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  4. ISO #554

  5. ISO #555

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    AAAAAAAAND The Second Mafia is voting me.

    Look at all the Mafia voting me. Without Reason.


    Whats the point, you lose tomorrow anyway.
    If you flip scum, I win. And if you're going to call Orpz and I out as scum right after I've explained how dumb that idea is, you may as well admit you're scum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    @Orpz You vote MZ or you die.
    Oh, now you can't afford to let Orpz and I live? You're in no position to make threats, and once I talk some sense into my train, you're one of the top candidates to go.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  6. ISO #556

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    If you flip scum, I win. And if you're going to call Orpz and I out as scum right after I've explained how dumb that idea is, you may as well admit you're scum.


    Oh, now you can't afford to let Orpz and I live? You're in no position to make threats, and once I talk some sense into my train, you're one of the top candidates to go.
    Please, Explain how this Idea is stupid, Just look at your both.
    Voting with each other against me. You might as well create a team name, may I recommend Team Wankers.
    Cryptonic made this sig

    Quote Originally Posted by HentaiManOfPeace View Post
    gotchu fam

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  7. ISO #557

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    If you flip scum, I win. And if you're going to call Orpz and I out as scum right after I've explained how dumb that idea is, you may as well admit you're scum.


    Oh, now you can't afford to let Orpz and I live? You're in no position to make threats, and once I talk some sense into my train, you're one of the top candidates to go.
    OH MY FUCKING GOD

    @EVERYONE

    LYNCH THIS GUY BEFORE HE MANIPULATES ALL YOUR MINDS AND MAKES YOU GUYS LYNCH ME WITHOUT ANY RESISTENCE.


    Thank you Anonymous Donor

  8. ISO #558

  9. ISO #559

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Okay, no.
    @Whad , if you're town, you REALLY need to stop assuming your own innocence is self-evident. Regardless of your alignment, there have been legitimately scummy things in your posts, and when people vote you for it, it doesn't make them scum. You're proposing that your EoD train was 100% scum. When has that ever happened? Really, I understand scum wanting to coordinate to save their own, but when is a train ONLY scum, especially on D1?

    And besides, the "scum were voting Whad to save Titus" idea ENTIRELY misses the chronology of what happened. Crypt made a switch at last minute, long after many players would have been able to vote to save a scum partner. Hell, with how close it was, there's a very good chance a scum vote was sitting on Titus that couldn't be moved in time (*coughMeskcough*) Unless Orpz is somehow playing waaaaay better than I know him to as scum, your train was town driven and you need to accept that.

    The notion that Orpz and I are scumbuddies is absurd and needs to stop right now.
    @Cryptonic , if you're sincere about being okay with a SuperJack lynch, then join me. He's in my lynch pool, and if he's in yours then you should have no problem changing.

    -vote SuperJack
    Completely misrepresenting Whad's attitude. He never tried to push himself as obvious town. In fact, he said he was surprised he wasn't lynched yesterday. You're the one trying to push yourself as obvious town. And Whad has clearly had a "no hard feelings about the ISO but I scumread you anyway". Stop trying to manipulate things into something they're not.

    People don't scumread you and Orpz because of the Whad train. It's more like: People scumread you and Orpz, and the Whad train also happens to be a lovely coincidence. You're focusing on the least important aspect of this.

    Also, you missed my post regarding you, which was literally one page ago. >.>

    Jeez. @MattZed

    [QUOTE=MattZed;674465]If you flip scum, I win. And if you're going to call Orpz and I out as scum right after I've explained how dumb that idea is, you may as well admit you're scum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mattzed
    Oh, now you can't afford to let Orpz and I live? You're in no position to make threats, and once I talk some sense into my train, you're one of the top candidates to go.
    "You're in no position to make threats". You are either completely out of it today, or you're trying to make your position into something it obviously is not.

  10. ISO #560

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    To what end, though?

    I mean, if I were scum, I'd be swapping the second lynch. Especially true if it were a misslynch.
    Swapping a misslynch forces the idea that the lynch was correct, and Mafia was saving their own. The next day would proceed with the misslynch. Then Mafia only needs 1 more lynch after that.

    That's why I hope people will stand back and consider other lynch possibilities after the lynch-swap takes place.
    If today is a mislynch, then it would certainly make sense for them to swap it, by that rationale. However, I'm not going to try and deal with the reverse-psychology and the reverse-reverse-psychology of whether or not they actually swapped a mislynch. Let's just keep it simple and focus on our scumreads.

    Anyway, we have 3 lynch choices excluding the forced mislynch and 4 including it. I think you've miscounted.

  11. ISO #561

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    If today is a mislynch, then it would certainly make sense for them to swap it, by that rationale. However, I'm not going to try and deal with the reverse-psychology and the reverse-reverse-psychology of whether or not they actually swapped a mislynch. Let's just keep it simple and focus on our scumreads.

    Anyway, we have 3 lynch choices excluding the forced mislynch and 4 including it. I think you've miscounted.
    Oh, and my point was if they force a mislynch when, say, we only have one lynch choice left, rather than earlier, that'd really fuck with us. That's what I meant by "more ambiguous".

  12. ISO #562

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    AAAAAAAAND The Second Mafia is voting me.

    Look at all the Mafia voting me. Without Reason.


    Whats the point, you lose tomorrow anyway.
    Why do they lose tomorrow?
    It reads as if you are scum, and building a false dichotomy should an Orpz lynch go through today.

    Will you vote MZ today? (Obviously not rn, as that would put him at L1)


    Monopoly of the Iced variety

  13. ISO #563

  14. ISO #564

  15. ISO #565

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    @Orpz You vote MZ or you die.
    I can defend myself against any lynch you attempt to throw at me, especially if it's built off "h-he wouldn't vote who I w-wanted him to.

    Superjack is a more likely scum than MattZed and we all know it.
    Spoiler : Orpz FM History :

    FM17 - Won, FM18 - Won, FM19 - Won ,FM20 - Loss, FM21 - Won, MVP, FM22 - Host Canceled, FM23 - Won, FM24 - Hosted, FM25 - Won, FM26 - Loss

  16. ISO #566

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Superjack logged on and stayed active for TEN minutes, only to deride my vote on him and throw other insults.

    >the Superjack Internet Defense Force will defend this
    Spoiler : Orpz FM History :

    FM17 - Won, FM18 - Won, FM19 - Won ,FM20 - Loss, FM21 - Won, MVP, FM22 - Host Canceled, FM23 - Won, FM24 - Hosted, FM25 - Won, FM26 - Loss

  17. ISO #567

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    I can defend myself against any lynch you attempt to throw at me, especially if it's built off "h-he wouldn't vote who I w-wanted him to.

    Superjack is a more likely scum than MattZed and we all know it.
    Obviously we do not all 'know it' - 4 votes (MZ) v 2 votes (SJ).
    Maybe you'd like to actually present a case and contribute?


    Monopoly of the Iced variety

  18. ISO #568

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly View Post
    Obviously we do not all 'know it' - 4 votes (MZ) v 2 votes (SJ).
    Maybe you'd like to actually present a case and contribute?
    Sure, man. For each player in the game, I can present you a post of Superjack replying to one of their posts, except for Titus.

    Their relationship can only be characterized as one of purposeful distancing.
    Spoiler : Orpz FM History :

    FM17 - Won, FM18 - Won, FM19 - Won ,FM20 - Loss, FM21 - Won, MVP, FM22 - Host Canceled, FM23 - Won, FM24 - Hosted, FM25 - Won, FM26 - Loss

  19. ISO #569

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Sure, man. For each player in the game, I can present you a post of Superjack replying to one of their posts, except for Titus.

    Their relationship can only be characterized as one of purposeful distancing.
    How does this trump the behaviours outlined by myself and others exhibited by MZ?
    I dont think MZ has interacted with every player here either, and Titus surely didnt interact with every player?


    Monopoly of the Iced variety

  20. ISO #570

  21. ISO #571

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly View Post
    How does this trump the behaviours outlined by myself and others exhibited by MZ?
    I dont think MZ has interacted with every player here either, and Titus surely didnt interact with every player?
    It's a very narrow margin. I've already mentioned that I'm certain at least one scum is between SJ/MZ but that I'd rather go with SJ.

    Titus interacted with everyone and has mentioned Superjack by name in a good amount of her posts. He ignores all of them, whereas he replies to everyone else's posts. He also claims to pay attention to posts pinging him, yet ignores Titus.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    LOL. I knew there was no night, didn't know they got no kill.
    I tend to skip a lot of posts until they ping me like yours did.
    Spoiler : Orpz FM History :

    FM17 - Won, FM18 - Won, FM19 - Won ,FM20 - Loss, FM21 - Won, MVP, FM22 - Host Canceled, FM23 - Won, FM24 - Hosted, FM25 - Won, FM26 - Loss

  22. ISO #572

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly View Post
    Why are so many people using invis as well, 7 people browsing this thread?
    I use invis so I can read the thread without posting and not have to deal with a bunch of "omg Orpz read the thread but didnt post" attacks
    Spoiler : Orpz FM History :

    FM17 - Won, FM18 - Won, FM19 - Won ,FM20 - Loss, FM21 - Won, MVP, FM22 - Host Canceled, FM23 - Won, FM24 - Hosted, FM25 - Won, FM26 - Loss

  23. ISO #573

  24. ISO #574

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Fine. I'll vote MattZed. But Orpz and MZ voting together bothers me.
    -vote MattZed
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  25. ISO #575

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Well it looks like we're in a hammerable situation, a lot sooner than id like. Although the main periods of activity for this site appear to be completely irrelevant in this game, as next to no discussion goes down, as whitnessed over the past several irl days.

    Im prepared to hammer, but id like MZ to come back and answer my previous questions, as well as give him a chance to
    talk some sense into my train


    Monopoly of the Iced variety

  26. ISO #576

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly View Post
    @MattZed

    How do explain a complete absence of an ISO, or read on Titus, when you promised to deliver reads on all major trains at the time. Why were you not even willing to consider that titus was scum, why did you push so hard on a whad lynch?
    IIRC, Titus had a single vote when I started ISO'ing. And to be frank, I usually just ISO until I find someone especially scummy, which is what happened with Whad. I still stand by the reasoning I had there, although I wouldn't push Whad yet given Titus' flip. I pushed Whad because I was very confident he was scum, and I wasn't about to let him slide by. Hell, I figured that by pushing so hard on scum I'd get to enjoy a safe town leader position. There was a lot of deception in Whad's play that I haven't seen from a town ever. I'm still surprised by how yesterday went down.

    As for Titus, I never ruled her out as scum. I don't think timezones even let me interact with her. But Whad was pretty much obvscum to me, so I went after him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  27. ISO #577

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    @Iced_Monopoly , have you seen what's SJ's been up to today? 0 contribution, and throwing shade onto me+Orpz. There's no reason for a town to have that sort of carelessness. (I'd also put Gyrlander forth as a suspect for this sort of nonsense. If you really do end up lynching me, PLEASE get around to pressuring them both, and don't mindlessly "hurdur one of Orpz/MattZed must have been scum, so let's get the other")

    GET. SUPERJACK.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  28. ISO #578

  29. ISO #579

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    IIRC, Titus had a single vote when I started ISO'ing. And to be frank, I usually just ISO until I find someone especially scummy, which is what happened with Whad. I still stand by the reasoning I had there, although I wouldn't push Whad yet given Titus' flip. I pushed Whad because I was very confident he was scum, and I wasn't about to let him slide by. Hell, I figured that by pushing so hard on scum I'd get to enjoy a safe town leader position. There was a lot of deception in Whad's play that I haven't seen from a town ever. I'm still surprised by how yesterday went down.

    As for Titus, I never ruled her out as scum. I don't think timezones even let me interact with her. But Whad was pretty much obvscum to me, so I went after him.
    Cryptonic was a major leading train at the same time whads train picked up. Where was your ISO or reads on him?
    Why did you not reavaluate your position on titus when she gained traction. You couldve ISO her without her being around for an interaction.


    Monopoly of the Iced variety

  30. ISO #580

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    @Iced_Monopoly , have you seen what's SJ's been up to today? 0 contribution, and throwing shade onto me+Orpz. There's no reason for a town to have that sort of carelessness. (I'd also put Gyrlander forth as a suspect for this sort of nonsense. If you really do end up lynching me, PLEASE get around to pressuring them both, and don't mindlessly "hurdur one of Orpz/MattZed must have been scum, so let's get the other")

    GET. SUPERJACK.
    If there is a mislynch today, I will not buy into a false dichotomy dillema. I will of course re-evaluate and move accordingly.
    Im not ready to hammer you yet, there is still something im waiting for to happen before im prepared to move, in case we come into d3.


    Monopoly of the Iced variety

  31. ISO #581

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  33. ISO #583

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly View Post
    Cryptonic was a major leading train at the same time whads train picked up. Where was your ISO or reads on him?
    Why did you not reavaluate your position on titus when she gained traction. You couldve ISO her without her being around for an interaction.
    As @Orpz can testify, I've been busy these past few days. I've also learned from experience that going after alternative trains when you've found a scum already is pretty much always a mistake. Gives waaaaay too much room for scum to escape.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  34. ISO #584

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    As @Orpz can testify, I've been busy these past few days. I've also learned from experience that going after alternative trains when you've found a scum already is pretty much always a mistake. Gives waaaaay too much room for scum to escape.
    I cant, and wont hold IRL reasons against you for abscense. However the fact of the matter is that you were willing to iso multiple people, and Whad wasnt that big of a case, he was on par with crypt at the time. Room or not, tunneling isnt good. Nobody was asking you to give up your convictions on Whad, only that you broaden your search. There were 3 scum after all. I dont see a town motive to not want to consider others, especially when they said they would.


    Monopoly of the Iced variety

  35. ISO #585

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly View Post
    I cant, and wont hold IRL reasons against you for abscense. However the fact of the matter is that you were willing to iso multiple people, and Whad wasnt that big of a case, he was on par with crypt at the time. Room or not, tunneling isnt good. Nobody was asking you to give up your convictions on Whad, only that you broaden your search. There were 3 scum after all. I dont see a town motive to not want to consider others, especially when they said they would.
    It was less than 24 hours to EoD and I believe I only put Whad up to L-2. There were a lot of fencesitters, and I wanted to lynch my strong scumread. This setup is not the sort of game you solve. There's no point to figuring out the entire scumteam when you only need to kill two of them. I was looking for one scum at a time, and when I locked onto them, I stayed locked on.

    No one was all "omg MZ how do you feel about these people???"

    If you want to use your vote productively, pressure SJ.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  36. ISO #586

  37. ISO #587

  38. ISO #588

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Game is over.

    I'll post my thoughts later, but i'm caught in something ATM.

    Superjack was Lynched!! He was a Goon!

    1. Mesk514 : Citizen.
    2. Orpz : Citizen.
    3. Iced_Monopoly : Citizen.
    4. Gyrlander : Citizen.
    5. Titus : Goon.
    6. Whad : Citizen.
    7. MattZed : Goon.
    8. yzb25 : Citizen.
    9. SuperJack : Goon.
    10. Cryptonic : Citizen.
    Last edited by Unknown1234; February 14th, 2017 at 07:55 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  39. ISO #589

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Be civil.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  40. ISO #590

  41. ISO #591

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    No.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  42. ISO #592

  43. ISO #593

  44. ISO #594

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Iced for MVP
    yzb was good, too. Effort made him seem really Towny. It also explains why he twisted what I said lol

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader View Post
    Hey moron. shut the fuck up or I will shut you up, k? I'm not the person your going to insult and live happily ever after. K? Understand that,

  45. ISO #595

  46. ISO #596

  47. ISO #597

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    Iced for MVP
    yzb was good, too. Effort made him seem really Towny. It also explains why he twisted what I said lol
    Yeah I was gonna say he played a good scum game, but then Unknown edited the game end post and it turns out Yzb is Town.
    Spoiler : Orpz FM History :

    FM17 - Won, FM18 - Won, FM19 - Won ,FM20 - Loss, FM21 - Won, MVP, FM22 - Host Canceled, FM23 - Won, FM24 - Hosted, FM25 - Won, FM26 - Loss

  48. ISO #598

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Matt told me to. XD
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  49. ISO #599

    Re: S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    Iced for MVP
    yzb was good, too. Effort made him seem really Towny. It also explains why he twisted what I said lol
    Your vote no joke actually changed the entire games result. Just saying.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  50. ISO #600

 

 

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