S-FM 298: Third Line Butterfly

[deathworlds]

Again what I was saying yesterday......................................

Renegade do that PoV analysis, then tell me what you think about Light's and Banana's actions from both a town and a scum perspective

[Renegade]

Renegade do that PoV analysis, then tell me what you think about Light's and Banana's actions from both a town and a scum perspective

Ok give me some time

[deathworlds]

Light's Results:
N0: Marshmallow Marshall + Bananacucho Same Alignment
N1: Marshmallow Marshall + Ganelon Different Alignment
N2: DS. + Deathworlds Same Alignment

Banana's Results:
N0: Varcron + Ganelon Same Alignment
N1: Marshmallow Marshall + Deathworlds Different Alignment
N2: Marshmallow Marshall + Light_Yagami Same Alignment

[BananaCucho]

Scums done a pretty good job neutering me this game. I went from top townread to completely ignored. Well played.

See you guys next day

[deathworlds]

This setup in general is a breeding ground for 1v1's. With only mislynch available for town it makes things hard

[deathworlds]

This setup in general is a breeding ground for 1v1's. With only mislynch available for town it makes things hard

only one*

[Varcron]

What really bothers me is how blatenly dumb Yagami's checks have been.

Like, if he's scum, we have to assume he's being coached by MM and the other scum, right? Would MM say to create fake checks between their night kill and me?

Maybe to incite doubt once we pull a lynch off on him if he is indeed scum.

[Varcron]

Scums done a pretty good job neutering me this game. I went from top townread to completely ignored. Well played.

See you guys next day

See, this sort of stuff looks genuine to me, I'm not sure if you guys agree.

[Renegade]

Light's Results:
N0: Marshmallow Marshall + Bananacucho Same Alignment
N1: Marshmallow Marshall + Ganelon Different Alignment
N2: DS. + Deathworlds Same Alignment

Banana's Results:
N0: Varcron + Ganelon Same Alignment
N1: Marshmallow Marshall + Deathworlds Different Alignment
N2: Marshmallow Marshall + Light_Yagami Same Alignment

Several things stick out to me:

First that Yigama happens to target both DS and Gamelon the night they die. Sloppy or going for "I couldn't be that sloppy" defense?

Second is both n2's don't make sense to me. From Yigama's perspective, what was he trying to establish here, that DS. was scum?

From Banana Cuchis perspective, what was he trying to establish here, that Light was indeed scum? Isn't that already established with the fake justice claim if Banana is indeed justice?

The n0s, Bananas n0 does fit in with his behavior day 1, I don't believe he jumped on the vracon train, likely due to his read that gamelon was town and so vracon must also be. Yigama's n0 I can't poke holes into it really.

I find it so damn interesting that they both get scum MM n1. One of them is throwing MM under the bus to then use that to their advantage.

[Renegade]

Several things stick out to me:

First that Yigama happens to target both DS and Gamelon the night they die. Sloppy or going for "I couldn't be that sloppy" defense?

Second is both n2's don't make sense to me. From Yigama's perspective, what was he trying to establish here, that DS. was scum?

From Banana Cuchis perspective, what was he trying to establish here, that Light was indeed scum? Isn't that already established with the fake justice claim if Banana is indeed justice?

The n0s, Bananas n0 does fit in with his behavior day 1, I don't believe he jumped on the vracon train, likely due to his read that gamelon was town and so vracon must also be. Yigama's n0 I can't poke holes into it really.

I find it so damn interesting that they both get scum MM n1. One of them is throwing MM under the bus to then use that to their advantage.

Additionally, vracon being the only oracle claim pretty much confirms him, unless an oracle is still hiding (for some reason hoping to get hit) but that wouldn't really make sense at this stage.

[theoneceko]

I'll have another day to check in Treecko/Renae

The one thing giving me pause rn from just straight up lynching MM is that Kira can kill people less likely to vote his way in an eventual Kira v Me showdown

Its actually probably better to resolve this right now, then the rest of the game pretty much solves itself

uWu TREECKO!!OWO TREECKO.

I think you're actress that remembered Justice based on how fast you counterclaimed Light. So I'd rather lynch MM or Varcron. We've time though, please don't pull a fast one on me again guys...

[theoneceko]

I checked MM today against Kira. DW is confirmed town to me. Wtf man

I was still reading yesterday's posts, lol.

Yes, IF you're justice, DW is confirmed town from your POV.

[Renegade]

uWu TREECKO!!OWO TREECKO.

I think you're actress that remembered Justice based on how fast you counterclaimed Light. So I'd rather lynch MM or Varcron. We've time though, please don't pull a fast one on me again guys...

Why lynch varcron? He is the only oracle claim, so basically town. If we lynch varcron (basically confirmed town at that point) then 7 players becomes 6 with 3 scum, game over right?

Again, I just don't understand how ceko is apparently town. He was very hesitant to lynch MM, and now is floating lynching the only oracle claim. We can't afford a mislynch today because we skipped yesterday. MM has to go.

[BananaCucho]

uWu TREECKO!!OWO TREECKO.

I think you're actress that remembered Justice based on how fast you counterclaimed Light. So I'd rather lynch MM or Varcron. We've time though, please don't pull a fast one on me again guys...

Yeah lets lynch the Oracle guys

-vote Varcron

FFS I'm not even going to lurk at this point. I just can't even. Bye.

[theoneceko]

That's what I kept saying. NOBODY LISTENED.

Doesn't that make you think that -skip was partly scumdriven?

[Renegade]

Doesn't that make you think that -skip was partly scumdriven?

Absolutely it does.

[BananaCucho]

Doesn't that make you think that -skip was partly scumdriven?

DS BROUGHT UP THE SKIP. DS PUSHED THE SKIP. HOLY HELL

DJDGEBEKFLGNFBS

[Frinckles]

[resetcount][resetcount]

4 votes to hammer.

[Frinckles]

[resetcount] reset damn you

[Frinckles]

sdfgsdfgdfg

[Frinckles]

carry on

[theoneceko]

Again, I think MM is Paparazzi...

Also, MM provides no real reason for voting Banana. For such an experienced player, the logic behind his reads is spotty at best. Additionally, MM is contradicting himself again... takes Banana off towncore, claims Banana is confirmed once he claims Justice, then votes Banana.

[theoneceko]

@Marshmallow Marshall , why are you so certain Banana is justice that it made you swap me with Varcron in terms of reads?

You never answered this.

[theoneceko]

The only reason you'd think Banana is confirmed is if deathworlds was 100% scum. Yet you've been targeting Varcron hard since day 1...

[theoneceko]

Well thats a lie. Cause I'm justice.

N0 I checked Vaccum and Galeon and found them to be the same alignment. I checked them since I have recent experience playing with both of them. As I townread Galeon for the entire day I worked hard to draw attention off of Vaccuum when he hit L-2 without being too obvious about how he's tied to one of my strongest town reads.

N1 I checked DW and Mallow and confirmed what I suspected. Their alignments did not match. I believe MM is the scum here, as I explained at the beginning of the day. I checked them because of the "big 3" I figured the scum was probably between these 2, but would look closer at Galeon if they came back same alignment. They did not.

Kira claiming like this makes me think he's actress and looked at me last night. I was surprised I didn't die as nobody scum read me that I could see but I guess they didn't want Nurse to heal me. Now that Nurse is out of the way they could just kill me tonight, but I guess their strategy is to push a mislynch here with a tailored actress and strong arm this game

So the team is Kira, likely MM, and I dont know who is third

Banana how do you type all of this THREE minutes after Light claimed Justice? Were you prepped to counterclaim in case Light revealed?

[theoneceko]

@deathworlds When was your last game with Banana? It's possible Banana has gotten much better since then.

[theoneceko]

DS BROUGHT UP THE SKIP. DS PUSHED THE SKIP. HOLY HELL

DJDGEBEKFLGNFBS

I said partly scumdriven. You and MM voted skip.

Light was wholly against it.

[theoneceko]

When we lynch Kira and game doesnt end, I becomes confirmed town with DW and Vaccuun, scum has to choose between killing one of 3 confirmed town. Puts the squeeze on them

When Kira is lynched, the game WILL end though.

*thonks*

[theoneceko]

Like if I was scum I would have killed treecko last night. kept DS, faked that DW was scum and pushed for his lynch

All Kira has to do is keep killing pro banana people until he can get the lynch off against me

Today Kira or I dies. Lets do this.

Or, you killed DS because killing me would make DS think you're scum.

[theoneceko]

I'm the only one really defending Light here.

Meanwhile, Varc/MM/Banana are bussing and defending each other at the same time.

[theoneceko]

Guys i"m seNIOR. oWo. UUWU SENIOR!! OWO SERNIOUS.

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[Light_Yagami]

I'm the only one really defending Light here.

Meanwhile, Varc/MM/Banana are bussing and defending each other at the same time.

Please, The Quotes That Can Tie That Into A Nice Pretty Bow?

[theoneceko]

@Varcron If Ur Oracle.. I Believe Renegade Would Be The Last Mafia In That Instance Ceko Has Been Pretty Analytical Of The Game. So Now Town Core From My Perspective Unless A Counter Oracle Claim Would Be Me U Deathworlds And Ceko

I doubt this because Ren defended Varcron so heavily on day 1.

[theoneceko]

Please, The Quotes That Can Tie That Into A Nice Pretty Bow?

I've already done that, but here are even MORE quotes. This is just Banana defending Varcron though.

Banana defends Varcron against MM in this quote.

I've said it 900 times, I'll say it 901 times. 11/12 times these "slips" are nothing

Banana has been laying low in his unique way, just like Marshmallow. Starting the Revenant train then leaving... I know someone mentioned Marsh likes to pop in, "stir things up, "then leave."

EOD is soon right? Anyone wanna catch me up real quick? Just finished dinner

Keeps defending Varcron, LOL.

Why'd a counter train build back up on Vaccuum? I thought we moved past this

Banana says relatively little but is adamant Varcron stays alive. Banana is defending a top scum read for dw/g/mm. And no one thinks this is suspicious?

I'm glad I kept my vote here, I don't want Vaccuum lynched

Doesn't want to switch from Rev train to Varcron... lol

I'll switch if necessary, but I dont like it

OWO pushing Rev again?? uWu. By the way, Banana is addressing Light in this quote.

Vote Rev please

Another post that shows Banana doesn't want to switch from Rev to Varcron.

Ok then Im not switching, if Rev ties it at last second and Vaccuum dies we turbolynch Rev next

(This is a Ganelon quote) I'd vote Varcron too if I didn't think he was actress.

I want to know who everyone is to Ching tomorrow
if Varcron is scum I’ll go for Renegade first
if Varcron is town I’ll go for revenant
if Revenant is town I will vote Varcron
if Revenant is scum? I don’t know, MM?

Varcron defends Banana. Varc said DW and Banana are town, but Ganelon is scum :/

I'm nearly convinced of the opposite for Ganelon

I think that you and Banana are moving more to the town side, and Ganelon over to the scum side.

[theoneceko]

All of those quotes are from day 1.

[theoneceko]

UWU geusts if you owO like this thread Uwu please say nothing. uwu!!

[theoneceko]

Banana, I still think you didn't provide a "Justice lead" on day 1.

You claimed to check Varcron and Ganelon night 0 (same alignment). Why only defend Varcron without tying him to Ganelon?

[BananaCucho]

It really doesnt matter if I respond to treecko or not at this point. His capacity to understand basic concepts like Vaccuum claiming Oracle with no cc is completely nonexistent

Get on with it

-vote Light_Yagami

[BananaCucho]

Once DW dies scum wins. I have 0 faith in anyone else to make the right decision after he's gone.

[theoneceko]

It really doesnt matter if I respond to treecko or not at this point. His capacity to understand basic concepts like Vaccuum claiming Oracle with no cc is completely nonexistent

Get on with it

-vote Light_Yagami

If there is no Oracle counterclaim, I'll most likely vote with you.

[Light_Yagami]

Once DW dies scum wins. I have 0 faith in anyone else to make the right decision after he's gone.

Yeah At This Point Neither Do I.. Because Its Like Crystal Clear To Me..

[theoneceko]

Of course, I said this already.

I know this is my first forum game, but I do understand setup mechanics and vote patterns.

"Noob-painting" me is a bad idea.

[Light_Yagami]

Its Not Just DW Its Any Town Death.. And It Would Be GG Mafia Wins.. Lets Hope We Can Avoid That Out Come..

@BananaCucho @Marshmallow Marshall

[Light_Yagami]

@theoneceko It Didnt Dawn On Me Till Now But Why Have U Been Defending Me When Its Apparent Everyone Else Is Against Me And/Or At Least Skeptical Of Me?

[theoneceko]

Scums done a pretty good job neutering me this game. I went from top townread to completely ignored. Well played.

See you guys next day

DS & DW think you're a higher town read than Light.
Varc & Ren think you're confirmed town.

MM flip-flops between you being confirmed town and scum.

Only Light and I scumread you...

[BananaCucho]

Of course, I said this already.

I know this is my first forum game, but I do understand setup mechanics and vote patterns.

"Noob-painting" me is a bad idea.

At this point I'm beyond caring. Any time I read any of your posts it makes me want to throw my phone against the wall.

[Renegade]

I've already done that, but here are even MORE quotes. This is just Banana defending Varcron though.

Banana defends Varcron against MM in this quote.



Banana has been laying low in his unique way, just like Marshmallow. Starting the Revenant train then leaving... I know someone mentioned Marsh likes to pop in, "stir things up, "then leave."



Keeps defending Varcron, LOL.



Banana says relatively little but is adamant Varcron stays alive. Banana is defending a top scum read for dw/g/mm. And no one thinks this is suspicious?



Doesn't want to switch from Rev train to Varcron... lol



OWO pushing Rev again?? uWu. By the way, Banana is addressing Light in this quote.



Another post that shows Banana doesn't want to switch from Rev to Varcron.



(This is a Ganelon quote) I'd vote Varcron too if I didn't think he was actress.



Varcron defends Banana. Varc said DW and Banana are town, but Ganelon is scum :/

Doesn't Banana defending Varc fit more with his n0 read though? Presuming he also thought Gamelon was town?

[deathworlds]

I'm going to get some food before I post my thoughts on this

[deathworlds]

Brain food and shit like that, ya know?

[Light_Yagami]

Doesn't Banana defending Varc fit more with his n0 read though? Presuming he also thought Gamelon was town?

Oh He Knew.. Ganelon Was Town Along With Know (Varcron Is Scum/Town Not Super Clear ATM) .. A Common Scum Tactic When Counterclaiming Is That They Will Put A Friendly Scum In There To Throw PPL Off... I Left Solid Tells Day One That I Was Infact Justice And Had A Read Day One Of MM & Banana..