S-FM 225: WIFOM Mafia Q

[The Godfather]

Unknown1234 has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Unknown1234 (4 [L-0]): SuperJack, thedougler, Fury, Mesk514
thedougler (2 [L-2]): Unknown1234, Gyrlander

[Unknown1234]

Every time you play "scum-read" the rest of your post doesn't make sense I've been one of the only people who have actually listened to you, but right now you need to look at what you're saying because it isn't making sense.

The thing that makes no sense is that SuperJack post. He did the opposite of what you said, and I don't see how you got that conclusion.

Secondly, the fact that you think I'm scum-reading you. I had you at next to confirmed for most of day 2 and all of today, but you aren't acting like it now and taking that out on me for pointing it out.

3.) Your defense on thedougler is awful. I've made arguments but if you aren't reading then that's your choice. I'm tired of 75% of the game (this doesn't include you) that have done nothing except post once every 12 hours. It really kills your mood to play, like why the fuck sign up if that's what you plan to do.

[RLVG]

Night 3



The host is a bit too lazy to write a story.

Unknown was lynched. They were a magnificent Citizen.


Players :
- Mesk514
- Gyrlander
- Fury
- SuperJack
- The Burning Phoenix
- thedougler

Dead Players :
- ccantman Lynched Day 1 (Jester)
- Stealthbomber16 Killed Night 1 (Agent)
- Alijach Killed Night 1 (Agent)
- ika Killed Night 1 (Lookout)
- TwentyTwo Lynched Day 2 (Citizen)
- Voss Killed by Host Day 3 (Detective)
- Unknown1234 Lynched Day3 (Citizen)

Night End :
23rd March 20:00 CET.

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

[RLVG]

Day 4



The host is a bit too lazy to write a story.
Again.

SuperJack and The Burning Phoenix has been BOUNTIED.


Players :
- Mesk514
- Gyrlander
- Fury
- SuperJack
- The Burning Phoenix
- thedougler

Dead Players :
- ccantman Lynched Day 1 (Jester)
- Stealthbomber16 Killed Night 1 (Agent)
- Alijach Killed Night 1 (Agent)
- ika Killed Night 1 (Lookout)
- TwentyTwo Lynched Day 2 (Citizen)
- Voss Killed by Host Day 3 (Detective)
- Unknown1234 Lynched Day3 (Citizen)

Day End :
25rdthnd March 20:00 CET.

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4 votes to hammer.

[thedougler]

Umm we need to kill Fury. That man is the Joker. No doubt about it.

TBP what was your lead from last night?

[thedougler]

Lynching SJ would also be a decent strategic lynch to keep TBP alive. There's a good chance SJ is agent who bussed his teammates hard on d1. Joker is out of the question now obviously. I still think Fury is the safer lynch overall because whereas SJ could concievably be cit, there is no way Fury is clean.

[Fury]

Going to say now that I visited gyrlander last night so I hope TBP followed me to show that. I'm in class so I can't post much more, but also remember mafia followed me night 1 to see who I visited and didn't say I was joker to save themselves. That alone should show I'm not joker. @thedougler . So, how exactly is there no way I am clean when I found mafia and they didn't say I was joker to save themselves? Think a little harder, then try again.

[thedougler]

Going to say now that I visited gyrlander last night so I hope TBP followed me to show that. I'm in class so I can't post much more, but also remember mafia followed me night 1 to see who I visited and didn't say I was joker to save themselves. That alone should show I'm not joker. @thedougler . So, how exactly is there no way I am clean when I found mafia and they didn't say I was joker to save themselves? Think a little harder, then try again.

If you aren't Joker it's Mesk. I will wait for word from TBP but I don't think you're lying. There were no bounties yesterday so it was harder to confirm based on who you visited.

[Fury]

I read her as joker either day 1 or day 2, but was convinced otherwise by everyone else. I re-read the end bit during night, and I didn't like her push on me. I can't quote, but I remember her randomly calling me mafia (not even scum/joker), so I felt like that was a joker-slip. I'll reply again in an hour or so

[Mesk514]

That man is the Joker. No doubt about it.

If you aren't Joker it's Mesk. I will wait for word from TBP but I don't think you're lying

what a flop

[Mesk514]

I read her as joker either day 1 or day 2, but was convinced otherwise by everyone else. I re-read the end bit during night, and I didn't like her push on me. I can't quote, but I remember her randomly calling me mafia (not even scum/joker), so I felt like that was a joker-slip. I'll reply again in an hour or so

how is that a slip? you we actively pushing you weren't scum based on the fact that you visited someone yesterday. The agents role is to visit someone. I was merely pointing out the obvious.

suck on datttt

[RLVG]

Announcing host error.

Host was busy playing mass effect.

This resulted in some players getting two or even three feedback, all with different results - some which made no sense.
Some citizen also randomly got feedback regarding dead players.

What the fuck is this host.

Corrected all feedback to avoid confusion, lol.

[Mesk514]

Announcing host error.

Host was busy playing mass effect.

This resulted in some players getting two or even three feedback, all with different results - some which made no sense.
Some citizen also randomly got feedback regarding dead players.

What the fuck is this host.

Corrected all feedback to avoid confusion, lol.

you meme you

[Gyrlander]

Glad Unknown was Town so that I can say fuck you all

-vote TheDougler

No discussion needed.

[thedougler]

Glad Unknown was Town so that I can say fuck you all

-vote TheDougler

No discussion needed.

Hold your horses there mr. scummypants. Us townies need to have a little talk first.

I read her as joker either day 1 or day 2, but was convinced otherwise by everyone else. I re-read the end bit during night, and I didn't like her push on me. I can't quote, but I remember her randomly calling me mafia (not even scum/joker), so I felt like that was a joker-slip. I'll reply again in an hour or so

The weird thing about all of this is the one thing that confirmed her as citizen, TwentyTwo's lead that she self-visited n1, ended up being a complete fabrication from a fake det. She confirmed it though, which is what I would expect either way. I am starting to view Gyrlander more as the possible Joker and SJ as agent. SJ heavily bussed Alijach d1 to get a free pass all game.

[Mesk514]

where is our detective -.-

[Fury]

Hold your horses there mr. scummypants. Us townies need to have a little talk first.



The weird thing about all of this is the one thing that confirmed her as citizen, TwentyTwo's lead that she self-visited n1, ended up being a complete fabrication from a fake det. She confirmed it though, which is what I would expect either way. I am starting to view Gyrlander more as the possible Joker and SJ as agent. SJ heavily bussed Alijach d1 to get a free pass all game.

Ok maybe you're right that SJ bussed Alijach. I'd honestly have to go back and look at it again. I don't see your logic when it comes to Gyrlander though?

If we assume Mesk to not be joker, then is she mafia? I don't have any reason to believe she isn't mafia at this point, but I could have missed something. Also, if she isn't joker, then I'm kind of embarrassed of my scum reads since I've scum read her twice now. The first time Unknown (maybe others also) shoved me off of that claim. If we assume her to be joker (she could be mafia), then let's observe day 1 from that perspective:

Mesk did visit ika/stealth night 0. No one suspects her and 22 comes out and says very weakly that she self visited (he said she was masturbating or some shit), then of course she'd go along with it. If he actually was detective, he'd instantly call her out and not troll around. 22 never pushed her, so it was obvious to her that he wasn't actually detective. If mesk is joker, then that makes a lot of sense. Mesk claiming with the false detective to not have visited gives her a free pass until 22 dies.

If mesk is mafia that would make sense also because I don't remember her scum hunting that much and I don't remember her pushing for a lynch on Alijach. At the very least without doing more research, I remember no one supporting my pressure on Stealth (the other mafia).

[Fury]

That being said, I still see SJ as scummy from yesterday - yet only slightly now. I may have to re-read yesterday and see if this is valid. I do see Gyrlander with a slight town read now. However, I don't have a strong town read for anyone expect the confirmed TBP so saying "slight town read" doesn't mean I want to lynch him.
@Gyrlander , glad to see you more involved now.

[Fury]

Anyways, I have a bunch of stuff due at midnight. I won't be able to give you better reads until late tonight at least. These are my initial thoughts going into today, but they could be subject to change when I read more later. I'll still be around, but don't expect an ISO today ^_^

[SuperJack]

I bussed both teammates day 1.

Great. Fucking. Logic.

Don't blame me for unknowns stupidity.

[SuperJack]

For making up BS more than Unknown.

-vote thedougler

[SuperJack]

-unvote

But I read him as Mafia.

Joker should be priority.

But if you think I'm Joker lynch me to get more information from Detective for tomorrow.

[SuperJack]

Doug, are you seriously suggested that I had both Mafia and jester killed just to be townread?

Lol.

[Fury]

-unvote

But I read him as Mafia.

Joker should be priority.

But if you think I'm Joker lynch me to get more information from Detective for tomorrow.

I'm not going to ISO yesterday, but that quote alone raises my read of you. I also agree Joker is a priority. Brb for reals now.

[SuperJack]

@unknown I hope you feel shit about what you did yesterday. That was completely your fault for picking the most retarded sinario just to scum read me.

[SuperJack]

@Unknown1234

[SuperJack]

Honestly would vote Gyrlander and then Dougler.
Grlander done fuck all but care about himself - neutral play
And Dougler is playing too stupid to be town. Worse than Unknown.

I also trust Unknowns read on Doug now.

[Gyrlander]

So... we have:

- Gyrlander : Citizen Boy
- SuperJack : Not going to lynch this guy.
- The Burning Phoenix: Detective that hasn't come to say wtf he has done. @The Burning Phoenix
- thedougler: Scum, but we don't know which one

And then we have Mesk and Fury, which both could be easily scum as well @Mesk514 Would you mind to hardclaim Citizen?

[SuperJack]

-vote Gyrlander

Get rdy for another Omgus.

[Gyrlander]

Honestly would vote Gyrlander and then Dougler.
Grlander done fuck all but care about himself - neutral play
And Dougler is playing too stupid to be town. Worse than Unknown.

I also trust Unknowns read on Doug now.

Do you want me to go to UK and slap your ass?

[SuperJack]

So... we have:

- Gyrlander : Citizen Boy
- SuperJack : Not going to lynch this guy.
- The Burning Phoenix: Detective that hasn't come to say wtf he has done. @The Burning Phoenix
- thedougler: Scum, but we don't know which one

And then we have Mesk and Fury, which both could be easily scum as well @Mesk514 Would you mind to hardclaim Citizen?

Your gonna have to convince me how Fury and Mesk are a better option than you.

But Doug is scum I agree.

[SuperJack]

Do you want me to go to UK and slap your ass?

Or persuade me. Like how the game should be played.

[Gyrlander]

Gylander posted Host PM knowledge that Citizens get when they dont send in an action. Pretty much confirms him to me as I recived the same thing.

Please SJ, make up your shitty mind and stop playing like a stupid ass. I'm not lynching you because you were targeted by the Joker.

[Fury]

Ok on my way to the library + coffee run I ran through the game a little more in my head. I agree with your point that Gyrlander is town, but I'm really wanting to lynch Mesk today. I think dougler is playing somewhat scummy and could be mafia, but I also think Unknown's push on him wasn't very strong. I see a world where he is town still. Considering Unknown pushed both Gyrlander and SJ - both of whom I think to be town, it's not a stretch to think his push on dougler could be wrong also. I'm going to park my vote on Mesk for now, but I legit have a ton of shit due midnight. I don't have time to explain myself much for the next 5-6 hours, but please go back and re-read yesterday's posts especially from Mesk. I shouldn't have abandoned my push on her before, but I'm going to vote her now. Unknown convinced me to not vote her before. Regardless, that shit is in the past and lynching possible mafia (dougler) is incorrect as we should really focus joker today.

-vote Mesk514

[thedougler]

Ok maybe you're right that SJ bussed Alijach. I'd honestly have to go back and look at it again. I don't see your logic when it comes to Gyrlander though?

If we assume Mesk to not be joker, then is she mafia? I don't have any reason to believe she isn't mafia at this point, but I could have missed something. Also, if she isn't joker, then I'm kind of embarrassed of my scum reads since I've scum read her twice now. The first time Unknown (maybe others also) shoved me off of that claim. If we assume her to be joker (she could be mafia), then let's observe day 1 from that perspective:

Mesk did visit ika/stealth night 0. No one suspects her and 22 comes out and says very weakly that she self visited (he said she was masturbating or some shit), then of course she'd go along with it. If he actually was detective, he'd instantly call her out and not troll around. 22 never pushed her, so it was obvious to her that he wasn't actually detective. If mesk is joker, then that makes a lot of sense. Mesk claiming with the false detective to not have visited gives her a free pass until 22 dies.

If mesk is mafia that would make sense also because I don't remember her scum hunting that much and I don't remember her pushing for a lynch on Alijach. At the very least without doing more research, I remember no one supporting my pressure on Stealth (the other mafia).

It's all coming together now. 22 wasn't a Joker bounty d2. Putting aside the fact that there were no Joker bounties, this suggests to me Joker is someone who KNEW 22 wasn't detective. Not putting a bounty on him is a two in one screwover. Not only is he suspiciously not bountied as det, but the real dets will now come out in full force against him. This could only be Mesk.

Then there's the fact that she swooped in and hammered Unknown with no reason given yesterday.

[Fury]

I explained myself in my earlier post, but I'll explain myself more when I finish up this shit or it becomes apparent that I'll be able to finish it by midnight. I convinced myself more in the car + coffee shop, but I want to see who can see the reasoning also. If I force you guys to scum hunt, then finding mafia becomes a little easier.

[thedougler]

Doug, are you seriously suggested that I had both Mafia and jester killed just to be townread?

Lol.

I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time you bussed. And what does maf care about jester?

[Gyrlander]

I'll hope TBP comes with who the Joker is.

[Mesk514]

this is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous.
@Gyrlander I hard claimed citizen in my first post of the game.

Thedougler is absolutely unaware of how I play. Do you actually think im capable of lasting this long as a neut? have you seen my other scum games.
Of course I hammered unknown, ITS NOT AS IF I WAS GONNA SAVE HIM, THERE WAS 2 MINUTES LEFT TIL EOD. do not act as if i quick hammered him and rushed the day.

time and time again your logic fails. I said more than once to 22 that saying i visited myself is the obvious claim. and i did push him.
wtf what scum hammers twice.

im actually appalled. fuck you dougler, you're literally dumb or scum, please stop pulling every reason to paint me as scum out of your ass. i can imagine your anus is the size of pineapple now.

Fury is not scum. and I've never pushed him. hes my block. dont fuck with the block.

i would like to lynch SJ to counter the joker's action. if we lynch sj then tbp can't die

hes also to me the most likely joker. dougler is definitely mafia. not doubt in my mind. get sj then the dougler then gg

[SuperJack]

this is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous.
@Gyrlander I hard claimed citizen in my first post of the game.

Thedougler is absolutely unaware of how I play. Do you actually think im capable of lasting this long as a neut? have you seen my other scum games.
Of course I hammered unknown, ITS NOT AS IF I WAS GONNA SAVE HIM, THERE WAS 2 MINUTES LEFT TIL EOD. do not act as if i quick hammered him and rushed the day.

time and time again your logic fails. I said more than once to 22 that saying i visited myself is the obvious claim. and i did push him.
wtf what scum hammers twice.

im actually appalled. fuck you dougler, you're literally dumb or scum, please stop pulling every reason to paint me as scum out of your ass. i can imagine your anus is the size of pineapple now.

Fury is not scum. and I've never pushed him. hes my block. dont fuck with the block.

i would like to lynch SJ to counter the joker's action. if we lynch sj then tbp can't die

hes also to me the most likely joker. dougler is definitely mafia. not doubt in my mind. get sj then the dougler then gg

Ok, Wait. You don't believe I'm Joker? Or you do?

Because what you said makes little sense.

If I'm Joker, then TBP can't die if someone else is lynched, or else I would be killed at the same time.

So why would you suggest that as a reason?

And then go on to say you think I'm Joker.





Stop being as retarded as Unknowns play was. I am not a Joker. I have done things which a Joker would never do.

I personally believed that Unknown couldn't be that stupid to be town and think I was Joker.

But I guess @Unknown1234 has disappointed me.

[thedougler]

this is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous.
@Gyrlander I hard claimed citizen in my first post of the game.

Thedougler is absolutely unaware of how I play. Do you actually think im capable of lasting this long as a neut? have you seen my other scum games.
Of course I hammered unknown, ITS NOT AS IF I WAS GONNA SAVE HIM, THERE WAS 2 MINUTES LEFT TIL EOD. do not act as if i quick hammered him and rushed the day.

time and time again your logic fails. I said more than once to 22 that saying i visited myself is the obvious claim. and i did push him.
wtf what scum hammers twice.

im actually appalled. fuck you dougler, you're literally dumb or scum, please stop pulling every reason to paint me as scum out of your ass. i can imagine your anus is the size of pineapple now.

Fury is not scum. and I've never pushed him. hes my block. dont fuck with the block.

i would like to lynch SJ to counter the joker's action. if we lynch sj then tbp can't die

hes also to me the most likely joker. dougler is definitely mafia. not doubt in my mind. get sj then the dougler then gg

So SJ bountied himself then? I think it's more likely you bountied him then planned to push the exact argument you're pushing now. "I have to be cit, I suck at scum, and I hardclaimed!!!" "We need to kill SJ and do exactly what the Joker wants us to do!"

[Mesk514]

Ok, Wait. You don't believe I'm Joker? Or you do?

Because what you said makes little sense.

If I'm Joker, then TBP can't die if someone else is lynched, or else I would be killed at the same time.

So why would you suggest that as a reason?

And then go on to say you think I'm Joker.

TheDougler is Mafia. This is 10/10 for sure.
Then in my mind its You Vs. Gyrlander.
Because of your push on Unknown yesterday, I'm leaning towards you. However regardless, if we kill you we have countered the Joker. Therefore TBP cannot die.

[Mesk514]

So SJ bountied himself then? I think it's more likely you bountied him then planned to push the exact argument you're pushing now. "I have to be cit, I suck at scum, and I hardclaimed!!!" "We need to kill SJ and do exactly what the Joker wants us to do!"

Sj could have bountied himself, Gyrlander could have bountied him. Regardless, lynching SJ counters the joker

You have flopped already quite a lot today. And now it seems you have tunnel vision, while you take a jab at everyone to make sure you have something to fallback on incase your push goes through.

TheDougler is 10/10 scum

[Mesk514]

at this point thedougler could even be the joker. i would be surprised.

[Mesk514]

at this point thedougler could even be the joker. i wouldn't be surprised.

innnoooo before he calls this a slip

[thedougler]

Let's be real, there is no way Joker would have bountied himself along with the only confirmed town here. He would die whether we lynch him or not. It's a really dumb move either way.

Then again, I'm not happy with lynching a possible cit (SJ) just to keep TBP alive. I would rather scumhunt today. For all we know SJ is agent and the Joker has just taken care of the maf for us.

Mesk is really fishy right now. Why do you trust Fury so much?

Then again I am ignoring Gyrlander, just like I did yesterday. That man deserves a policy lynch over Mesk I'd say. Mesk's verbal slip-ups don't equal half of the scum read I have on Gyrlander.

[thedougler]

Guess it's not even correct to call it a policy lynch on Gyrlander if it's a full-on scum read. But the point remains I want to see him gone today.

[SuperJack]

TheDougler is Mafia. This is 10/10 for sure.
Then in my mind its You Vs. Gyrlander.
Because of your push on Unknown yesterday, I'm leaning towards you. However regardless, if we kill you we have countered the Joker. Therefore TBP cannot die.

You understand my push was an emotional push at the dis-belief that unknown could be town and suggest that I'm Joker?
I could not understand how he managed to jump to that conclusion after my actions and posts had done nothing but push towns victory closer and Joker & Mafia victory further away.
He said it Himself I have been so pro town.
And his only reasoning for what I had done was "It was my plan all along to get super town cred"


As opposed to the fact that I'm town, and did town shit, cause I'm town.





Are you saying that my entire game has been nothing but me manipulating the entire thing, and that I would so publicly and emotionally react to unknown like that as Joker?


Or that I'm indeed the Citizen I claimed.

THAT I CLAIMED DAY 1.

And my reactions where the one of a Citizen who was just so pissed at someone using the most illogical reasoning to call me a Joker.

[SuperJack]

Sj could have bountied himself, Gyrlander could have bountied him. Regardless, lynching SJ counters the joker

You have flopped already quite a lot today. And now it seems you have tunnel vision, while you take a jab at everyone to make sure you have something to fallback on incase your push goes through.

TheDougler is 10/10 scum

Lynching the Joker counters the Joker.

All your going to do by lynching me is waste another day.

[Gyrlander]

Well, I would choose to get TheDougler. Even if SJ could have bountied himself the fact that HE HAS BEEN bountied makes us have to ignore him for today.