7 of my friends changed gender today

[Gyrlander]

Da fack

[Brendan]

[Ash]

just because a belief is popular doesnt make it right

we all know you live in a shitty third world country anyway fatalis, what was it again? like malaysia? capital of trans genders and sex trafficking for little kids?

oh but no, you guys are morally sound

oh you're not homophobic, right?

i fucking hate jews, hitler was totally right... but don't worry, i'm not an anti-semite. it's ok for me to be backwards cause my country is too

answer the fucking question: are you, or are you not, from a shitty third world country?\

fucking some shithole southern asian country. vietnam, taiwan, malaysia, some bullshit area like that. where prostitution and fucking little kids is pretty acceptable, but not being gay


there's gay members of this site, yet here you sit calling them mentally abnormal. you're a real stand up fella.

go fuck yourself

Are you saying that trannies and prostitution are acceptable, but not homosexuality? Isn't transexuality more extreme than homosexuality? I doubt trannies are socially acceptable in those countries, even though there's a fuckton of them anyways.

[Bruno]

Are you saying that trannies and prostitution are acceptable, but not homosexuality? Isn't transexuality more extreme than homosexuality? I doubt trannies are socially acceptable in those countries, even though there's a fuckton of them anyways.

No thats my point. How can fatalis call homosexuality sick and all this bullshit and say its the popular view of his country when they are the capital of tranny brothels. They r retarded lol fuck asia. How u gonna criticize the homos, then go right around and fuck a tranny prostitute. Fuckin a tranny MAKES u a homo

[Quick]

If bruno is banned, why not Banana?

[ThePaladin]

If bruno is banned, why not Banana?

He did autoplay sound and messed up my chess thread and front page of site in doing so.

Seems fixed now.

[Cryptonic]

He did autoplay sound and messed up my chess thread and front page of site in doing so.

Seems fixed now.

Yea, but that's not why he was banned. He was banned for Insulting/Toxic behavior.

[Quick]

He did autoplay sound and messed up my chess thread and front page of site in doing so.

Seems fixed now.

I could see that if the mods have never done anything like that, but they have.

[Quick]

Yea, but that's not why he was banned. He was banned for Insulting/Toxic behavior.

How is banana not toxic?

[deathworlds]

He did autoplay sound and messed up my chess thread and front page of site in doing so.

Seems fixed now.

That shit nearly crashed my comp.

[ThePaladin]

That shit nearly crashed my comp.

I was wearing headphones and didn't even know I had volume up all the way.

Safe to say, I found out pretty quick.

[ThePaladin]

How is banana not toxic?

Banana isn't exclusively toxic, maybe?

[Quick]

Banana isn't exclusively toxic, maybe?

Regardless, I would not shed a single tear if Banana was banned. She has been nothing but rude to me.

[Lysergic]

If you guys/girls/non-binary-individuals can't play nice, I'm going to have to lock the thread.

[BananaCucho]

Kek, pointing out bigotry is "inappropriate language"

[PowersThatBe]

Calling me close minded.. Lawl, that is a new one. I've never been called close minded by anyone before.. most people who know me irl think I am actually one of the most open minded people they know.

The facts are, transgender is weird, there is no way around that. It stands to reason that there is prolly something in their brain that is not working right, hence the massive confusion over what gender they are. It remains to be seen if this is because of conditioning or genetics, but the point is that people who think they are not the gender they are born with are dealing with some massive underlying issues.

Do me a favor and make you case for how a disorder of the brain is any different than any other health concern. Feel free to look up what professionals in the mental health field have to say about this.

1. You're pretty closed minded/ignorant. Just because your group of closed minded/ignorant friends think you're open minded, doesn't mean you are.

2. Being transgender doesn't mean "they're confused about their gender" or they "cant figure their genitals out." It means that they disagree with the sex they were assigned. Not confused about, disagree with, and to solve this they take hormones and go through surgery, change pronouns etc. to the opposite gender to bring their selves more inline with how they feel about themselves. Again, not confused. Definition of Transgender: "denoting or relating to a person whose self-identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender."

3. The medical field says: Being Transgender is not a disorder, and they do not list Transgender in the DSM V. Gender Dysphoria is a disorder, that some trans people can have. To be considered to have it, being "distressed" by our assigned sex is what sets this apart. https://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...nostic-manual/

4. So no, everything you said is completely ignorant. Look at the two highlighted pieces of sentence you wrote. Realize the contrast of your first statement, to your second. Then see why Banana has been nasty to you.

5. You are ignorant and closed minded. There is nothing "weird" about the trans community. So shut your ignorant mouth before you think about insulting a group of people.

[Mesk514]

isn't the freedom of speech just amazing??

[ThePaladin]

Pro-Tip:

Insulting people, calling them close-mined, calling yourself open-minded, etc. Doesn't help convince them there position is wrong nor your's right. It just makes both sides dig further in the sand.

Seriously guys. Just insulting each other won't ever solve anything and it just makes both sides look worse.

[ThePaladin]

isn't the freedom of speech just amazing??

Can't tell if this is sarcastic/anti-FoS or pro-FoS?

[Quick]

1. You're pretty closed minded/ignorant. Just because your group of closed minded/ignorant friends think you're open minded, doesn't mean you are.

2. Being transgender doesn't mean "they're confused about their gender" or they "cant figure their genitals out." It means that they disagree with the sex they were assigned. Not confused about, disagree with, and to solve this they take hormones and go through surgery, change pronouns etc. to the opposite gender to bring their selves more inline with how they feel about themselves. Again, not confused. Definition of Transgender: "denoting or relating to a person whose self-identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender."

3. The medical field says: Being Transgender is not a disorder, and they do not list Transgender in the DSM V. Gender Dysphoria is a disorder, that some trans people can have. To be considered to have it, being "distressed" by our assigned sex is what sets this apart. https://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...nostic-manual/

4. So no, everything you said is completely ignorant. Look at the two highlighted pieces of sentence you wrote. Realize the contrast of your first statement, to your second. Then see why Banana has been nasty to you.

5. You are ignorant and closed minded. There is nothing "weird" about the trans community. So shut your ignorant mouth before you think about insulting a group of people.

1. I don't recall me telling you who my friends are.

2. Coulda fooled me, I guess.

3. Transgender is a subjective image problem people have about their identity.

4. No what I said is different than what most people think. I don't think it is "bad" or "wrong" for someone to be transgender, I just think persons who suffer with that have a lot going on inside them that makes them resort to extreme measures.

5. And I said I was weird too - I have the diagnosis to prove it. Just because someone is weird doesn't mean they are any less of a person. That is the wrong thing you are assuming that I am doing.


The reason transgender is not considered a disorder or illness or condition is because it is based on a subjective POV of their own identity that cannot be proven how this is something that can be prevented. This does not mean that these people who consider themselves transgender don't have anything wrong with them, it just means their problems are hard to solve.

[ThePaladin]

Out of curiousity.

If we/society eventually completely scrapped gender roles(so basically gender), would people still be inclined to change their sex, since they no longer would be associating as a different gender since there are no longer gender's?

If that makes sense, can't word it right.

[Quick]

Out of curiousity.

If we/society eventually completely scrapped gender roles(so basically gender), would people still be inclined to change their sex, since they no longer would be associating as a different gender since there are no longer gender's?

If that makes sense, can't word it right.

It makes perfect sense. Unfortunately we are not evolved enough for people to rid themselves of identity crisis/issues. We have a long way to go before this problem is solved, but it starts at understanding the person without labels, which humans currently seem so fond of.

[ThePaladin]

It makes perfect sense. Unfortunately we are not evolved enough for people to rid themselves of identity crisis/issues. We have a long way to go before this problem is solved, but it starts at understanding the person without labels, which humans currently seem so fond of.

Yeah, I agree labels in general have nearly always done more harm than good. If someone wants to know about me on any issue, then they should have the time and decency to listen to about 5 minutes of my stance on whatever the issue/position is rather than me just saying... Politically, I am an anarchist, Socially, I'm an introvert, literature boy, etc. , or the gender I identify is _____, and so on.

Ignoring the stereotypes of those things alone as causing misunderstanding and misconceptions. You also lump yourself in with people who you may not agree with on nearly or even every issue, just because you both use the same label but have radically different interpretations of what you mean.



I've always just thought that why instead of physically changing your sex to match your gender, why don't you just say I don't identify as any gender. I am me, accept me as myself, and then try to get society to accept you for going against traditional gender roles. Changing your sex to match your gender just seems to be saying that "I agree with society that we should have gender roles, and now will even change my sex to match societies viewpoint."

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

1. You're pretty closed minded/ignorant. Just because your group of closed minded/ignorant friends think you're open minded, doesn't mean you are.

2. Being transgender doesn't mean "they're confused about their gender" or they "cant figure their genitals out." It means that they disagree with the sex they were assigned. Not confused about, disagree with, and to solve this they take hormones and go through surgery, change pronouns etc. to the opposite gender to bring their selves more inline with how they feel about themselves. Again, not confused. Definition of Transgender: "denoting or relating to a person whose self-identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender."

3. The medical field says: Being Transgender is not a disorder, and they do not list Transgender in the DSM V. Gender Dysphoria is a disorder, that some trans people can have. To be considered to have it, being "distressed" by our assigned sex is what sets this apart. https://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...nostic-manual/

4. So no, everything you said is completely ignorant. Look at the two highlighted pieces of sentence you wrote. Realize the contrast of your first statement, to your second. Then see why Banana has been nasty to you.

5. You are ignorant and closed minded. There is nothing "weird" about the trans community. So shut your ignorant mouth before you think about insulting a group of people.

What do you personally consider weird?

[deathworlds]

People should be able to identify as whatever they want, as long as they put their biological gender on governent papers.

[ThePaladin]

People should be able to identify as whatever they want, as long as they put their biological sex on governent papers.

FTFY

[Ash]

cant wait until the day we get a transexual president or a transexual miss universe

wbu guys?

[Mesk514]

Can't tell if this is sarcastic/anti-FoS or pro-FoS?

look at this topic of conversation and then look at the community we're discussing it in. No matter what points are brought up, no matter how civil and proper everyone tries to sound, this topic especially will always present what people believe to be offensive comments.

I'm pretty sure probably till the end of time, of until at least i'm dead the people of this world will always have different views and opinions on this matter.

Personally this topic to me isn't about whether something is right or wrong or normal, whether you have a vagina or a penis or a fucking elephant trunk as long as you have a brain and heart you deserve respect just as much as everyone else.

call yourself a fucking unicorn idc, fuck with me you won't be alive to claim a gender.

[ThePaladin]

cant wait until the day we get a transexual president or a transexual miss universe

wbu guys?

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

look at this topic of conversation and then look at the community we're discussing it in. No matter what points are brought up, no matter how civil and proper everyone tries to sound, this topic especially will always present what people believe to be offensive comments.

I'm pretty sure probably till the end of time, of until at least i'm dead the people of this world will always have different views and opinions on this matter.

Personally this topic to me isn't about whether something is right or wrong or normal, whether you have a vagina or a penis or a fucking elephant trunk as long as you have a brain and heart you deserve respect just as much as everyone else.

call yourself a fucking unicorn idc, fuck with me you won't be alive to claim a gender.

Yeah, and if anybody fucks with mesk, they fuck with me, and I will fuck them up. I got your back meskers~.

rip best actor.

[ThePaladin]

look at this topic of conversation and then look at the community we're discussing it in. No matter what points are brought up, no matter how civil and proper everyone tries to sound, this topic especially will always present what people believe to be offensive comments.

I'm pretty sure probably till the end of time, of until at least i'm dead the people of this world will always have different views and opinions on this matter.

Personally this topic to me isn't about whether something is right or wrong or normal, whether you have a vagina or a penis or a fucking elephant trunk as long as you have a brain and heart you deserve respect just as much as everyone else.

call yourself a fucking unicorn idc, fuck with me you won't be alive to claim a gender.

The main problem with this issue that separates it from other issues is the ramifications of legally changing your sex or being allowed to use the other sex's bathroom, which does affect other people.[Till we finally get our act together and make unisex bathrooms, which we should've done a long time ago cause why have 2 bathrooms when we can have 1?]

[Quick]

look at this topic of conversation and then look at the community we're discussing it in. No matter what points are brought up, no matter how civil and proper everyone tries to sound, this topic especially will always present what people believe to be offensive comments.

I'm pretty sure probably till the end of time, of until at least i'm dead the people of this world will always have different views and opinions on this matter.

Personally this topic to me isn't about whether something is right or wrong or normal, whether you have a vagina or a penis or a fucking elephant trunk as long as you have a brain and heart you deserve respect just as much as everyone else.

call yourself a fucking unicorn idc, fuck with me you won't be alive to claim a gender.

FWIW, while you can be feisty, I've never known you to be an asshole to anyone who didn't have it coming.

[Mesk514]

FWIW, while you can be feisty, I've never known you to be an asshole to anyone who didn't have it coming.

I'm a very nice lady, what are you?

[PowersThatBe]

1. I don't recall me telling you who my friends are.

2. Coulda fooled me, I guess.

3. Transgender is a subjective image problem people have about their identity.

4. No what I said is different than what most people think. I don't think it is "bad" or "wrong" for someone to be transgender, I just think persons who suffer with that have a lot going on inside them that makes them resort to extreme measures.

5. And I said I was weird too - I have the diagnosis to prove it. Just because someone is weird doesn't mean they are any less of a person. That is the wrong thing you are assuming that I am doing.


The reason transgender is not considered a disorder or illness or condition is because it is based on a subjective POV of their own identity that cannot be proven how this is something that can be prevented. This does not mean that these people who consider themselves transgender don't have anything wrong with them, it just means their problems are hard to solve.

1. You said you were told by people you were pretty open minded. Unless you just debate with other conservatives, I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume you've had this discussion w/ friends or family, and they've decided you're more liberal. Who was this group that told you, you were open minded? How are you open minded? Are you open to the fact that you do not know what you are talking about in reference to the transgender movement, and people, and perhaps your comments are coming off to those of us in that community/in that community adjacent via friends as uninformed, offensive, and counterproductive.

2. That's because you've decided it's a mental illness and you will not accept that it's not.

3. By this argument, how is gender dysphoria a thing and transgender not? Gender Dysmorphia is subjective because it has to do with focusing on feeling like you're in the wrong gender. Transgender WAS on the DSM, as was homosexuality. The medical field said "we're wrong" or rather "the science reflects that our initial hypothesizes were wrong." That's why transgender is not a disorder, because the medical community has taken the time to study it and figure out that ITS NOT A DISORDER. They spend years, sometimes DECADES doing studies, and at the end of those studies they figure shit out. And being transgender is NOT. NOT NOT NOT. A disorder. I hate the logically allergic.

4. Um. Again. You HAVE NO IDEA what you are talking about. People who are transgender take a lot of time to make decisions before doing anything. Most transgender people go through years of counseling since very young ages before they do ANYTHING at all. So to sit there and act like these people are just unwell and not getting treatment, is not only ignorant but absurd. Some people regret their transition, some people are bullied to regret it, some do that on their own, but those are individuals with individual variables playing a part in each of those decisions. Transitioning in any state from pronouns to surgery is a personal decision and no two situations are the same. So please stop accusing them of having a disorder, because they don't. Medical professionals have studied this and made their determination, your opinion as an uneducated citizen of the internet, does not outweigh the opinion of psychological and medical professionals.

5. I don't care if you said you are weird. I don't care if you have a diagnosis, there is nothing wrong with being transgender, and your comments are just out of ignorance. Go educate yourself. Go to HRC.ORG or some other site that deals with trans issues, and educate yourself to what's actually happening, instead of debating on your opinion. None of us take you serious, because a number of us are informed, and we see how ignorant you are to the truth. I'm not trying to be rude, but the definition of ignorant is unknowing, and I'm pretty sure you're really unknowing about trans issues.

Your last statement is just reeking in ignorance.

@ThePaladin : TBH it doesn't matter what facts we give people, they will argue their opinion. So I'm not going to try to win people over with a debate, because you have shitlords like duck who literally want nothing more than to be rude about everything and turn it into a joke. So, my debate mentality is out the window, I'll keep throwing facts at the ignorance, and hopefully it get's through. But pretty much these people have made up their minds. So, really its just to combat their ignorant comments at this point to let them unbury their prejudices.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

1. You said you were told by people you were pretty open minded. Unless you just debate with other conservatives, I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume you've had this discussion w/ friends or family, and they've decided you're more liberal. Who was this group that told you, you were open minded? How are you open minded? Are you open to the fact that you do not know what you are talking about in reference to the transgender movement, and people, and perhaps your comments are coming off to those of us in that community/in that community adjacent via friends as uninformed, offensive, and counterproductive.

2. That's because you've decided it's a mental illness and you will not accept that it's not.

3. By this argument, how is gender dysphoria a thing and transgender not? Gender Dysmorphia is subjective because it has to do with focusing on feeling like you're in the wrong gender. Transgender WAS on the DSM, as was homosexuality. The medical field said "we're wrong" or rather "the science reflects that our initial hypothesizes were wrong." That's why transgender is not a disorder, because the medical community has taken the time to study it and figure out that ITS NOT A DISORDER. They spend years, sometimes DECADES doing studies, and at the end of those studies they figure shit out. And being transgender is NOT. NOT NOT NOT. A disorder. I hate the logically allergic.

4. Um. Again. You HAVE NO IDEA what you are talking about. People who are transgender take a lot of time to make decisions before doing anything. Most transgender people go through years of counseling since very young ages before they do ANYTHING at all. So to sit there and act like these people are just unwell and not getting treatment, is not only ignorant but absurd. Some people regret their transition, some people are bullied to regret it, some do that on their own, but those are individuals with individual variables playing a part in each of those decisions. Transitioning in any state from pronouns to surgery is a personal decision and no two situations are the same. So please stop accusing them of having a disorder, because they don't. Medical professionals have studied this and made their determination, your opinion as an uneducated citizen of the internet, does not outweigh the opinion of psychological and medical professionals.

5. I don't care if you said you are weird. I don't care if you have a diagnosis, there is nothing wrong with being transgender, and your comments are just out of ignorance. Go educate yourself. Go to HRC.ORG or some other site that deals with trans issues, and educate yourself to what's actually happening, instead of debating on your opinion. None of us take you serious, because a number of us are informed, and we see how ignorant you are to the truth. I'm not trying to be rude, but the definition of ignorant is unknowing, and I'm pretty sure you're really unknowing about trans issues.

Your last statement is just reeking in ignorance.

@ThePaladin : TBH it doesn't matter what facts we give people, they will argue their opinion. So I'm not going to try to win people over with a debate, because you have shitlords like duck who literally want nothing more than to be rude about everything and turn it into a joke. So, my debate mentality is out the window, I'll keep throwing facts at the ignorance, and hopefully it get's through. But pretty much these people have made up their minds. So, really its just to combat their ignorant comments at this point to let them unbury their prejudices.

I tried to be serious, but you really are a joke. I asked legitimate questions and you people respond with "lol troll, fuck you". I sent your posts to 894 people. Of the ~40 people who responded, most seem to agree with the majority of what you are saying, but ALL said you were the shittiest worthless piece of shit they have ever seen in their entire life and a disgrace to the community. People like you are the reason people hate these movements, it is very similar to why people hate feminist or vegans, there is nothing wrong with the movement itself, it is the people that make it look bad.

Being gay is fine, no one cares your sexual preference, do what you want. Being transgender is a mental illness, but once again no one cares what you do with yourself. Being transgendered is weird, it does not mean it is a bad thing, but it is deviant behavior. If someone has OCD, I would classify that as weird, it does not make it a bad thing.

It does not really matter though because at the end of the day you are worthless.

[Mesk514]

I tried to be serious, but you really are a joke.

and this is why i love you.

[Brendan]

I sexually identify as a single, Pringle, ready to mingle. Ever since I was a potato I dreamed of being thin sliced, covered in disgusting oil then heated in a medium oven until reaching climax at the micro second of golden-browness. People bully me, and say things like “what the fuck, you aren’t a Pringle”, but I know deep down they are just jealous of my inner beauty. I have already started hiding in cylinders all day, and now im improving my crunchiness by regularly burning my sides on the stove. I want you guys to respect my natural ability to instantly satisfy low salt carb cravings, and if you don’t you are oppressing me, and you should check your diabetes type. Thank you for being so understanding.

[ThePaladin]

I sexually identify as a single, Pringle, ready to mingle. Ever since I was a potato I dreamed of being thin sliced, covered in disgusting oil then heated in a medium oven until reaching climax at the micro second of golden-browness. People bully me, and say things like “what the fuck, you aren’t a Pringle”, but I know deep down they are just jealous of my inner beauty. I have already started hiding in cylinders all day, and now im improving my crunchiness by regularly burning my sides on the stove. I want you guys to respect my natural ability to instantly satisfy low salt carb cravings, and if you don’t you are oppressing me, and you should check your diabetes type. Thank you for being so understanding.

[Mesk514]

I sexually identify as a single, Pringle, ready to mingle.

orly? I identify as fat and single, ready for a pringle...

[ThePaladin]

orly? I identify as fat and single, ready for a pringle...

inb4 fat acceptance debate.

[Quick]

1. You said you were told by people you were pretty open minded. Unless you just debate with other conservatives, I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume you've had this discussion w/ friends or family, and they've decided you're more liberal. Who was this group that told you, you were open minded? How are you open minded? Are you open to the fact that you do not know what you are talking about in reference to the transgender movement, and people, and perhaps your comments are coming off to those of us in that community/in that community adjacent via friends as uninformed, offensive, and counterproductive.

2. That's because you've decided it's a mental illness and you will not accept that it's not.

3. By this argument, how is gender dysphoria a thing and transgender not? Gender Dysmorphia is subjective because it has to do with focusing on feeling like you're in the wrong gender. Transgender WAS on the DSM, as was homosexuality. The medical field said "we're wrong" or rather "the science reflects that our initial hypothesizes were wrong." That's why transgender is not a disorder, because the medical community has taken the time to study it and figure out that ITS NOT A DISORDER. They spend years, sometimes DECADES doing studies, and at the end of those studies they figure shit out. And being transgender is NOT. NOT NOT NOT. A disorder. I hate the logically allergic.

4. Um. Again. You HAVE NO IDEA what you are talking about. People who are transgender take a lot of time to make decisions before doing anything. Most transgender people go through years of counseling since very young ages before they do ANYTHING at all. So to sit there and act like these people are just unwell and not getting treatment, is not only ignorant but absurd. Some people regret their transition, some people are bullied to regret it, some do that on their own, but those are individuals with individual variables playing a part in each of those decisions. Transitioning in any state from pronouns to surgery is a personal decision and no two situations are the same. So please stop accusing them of having a disorder, because they don't. Medical professionals have studied this and made their determination, your opinion as an uneducated citizen of the internet, does not outweigh the opinion of psychological and medical professionals.

5. I don't care if you said you are weird. I don't care if you have a diagnosis, there is nothing wrong with being transgender, and your comments are just out of ignorance. Go educate yourself. Go to HRC.ORG or some other site that deals with trans issues, and educate yourself to what's actually happening, instead of debating on your opinion. None of us take you serious, because a number of us are informed, and we see how ignorant you are to the truth. I'm not trying to be rude, but the definition of ignorant is unknowing, and I'm pretty sure you're really unknowing about trans issues.

Your last statement is just reeking in ignorance.

@ThePaladin : TBH it doesn't matter what facts we give people, they will argue their opinion. So I'm not going to try to win people over with a debate, because you have shitlords like duck who literally want nothing more than to be rude about everything and turn it into a joke. So, my debate mentality is out the window, I'll keep throwing facts at the ignorance, and hopefully it get's through. But pretty much these people have made up their minds. So, really its just to combat their ignorant comments at this point to let them unbury their prejudices.

1. Who said anything about a conversation about this particular topic that convinced people I am open minded? Believe it or not, there are many reasons for why I am open minded.. This particular issue is but one issue to talk about that can lead people to think I am open minded or not.. Don't get it confused that because YOU see me as close minded about this single topic means that I am close minded.

2. Like I said, I'm a realist. That means I call it like I see it. People's personal perspectives get warped when it comes to sensitive issues and people can't think outside of doing anything that might on the off chance offend anyone for fear of being called insensitive. I am aware of this happening and know it means people are too close to the issue to tell the difference.

3. If you ask me, I would say the psychological community simply gave up calling it a disorder because they thought there was nothing they could do to help these individuals with this particular issue and then just allowed them to continue on their way knowing it was probably better for them since they couldn't reason with them. Psychologist primary rule of thumb is to not be judgemental. This being the case, when someone is convinced of something so strongly, what are they to do?

4. Just because they think a lot about their decision does not at all mean that what they are doing is because of a normality. I have no problem with feminine men or masculine women. As far as that goes, I have no problem with transgender and gender dysmorphia either - I just think that what is going on in their minds is cause by a problem within the mind. I think its entirely possible the psychological community thinks these particular issues are beyond their capability to deal with. I'm not arguing that what these individuals are going through isn't a real thing or that they are making it up.. But I do think that the matter is that these individuals are troubled and its a shame the psychological community has decided to sweep this issue under the rug.

5. I will repeat myself: I don't think there is anything actually "wrong" with being transgender. I don't think its a sin or whatever people are calling it. I consider myself a moral relativist. As such I think there are actually quite few things that are considered "wrong." Trans people have a number of issues that come along with the idea that they don't feel like they are the gender they were born with. For example, I know suicidal rates are quite high for trans persons. IDK that I am even advocating that they change their minds that they are a women in a man's body or vise versa.. I'm simply saying these individuals are deeply troubled and need psychological treatment for their mental health. Would you really say these people are not at all troubled?

[PowersThatBe]

I tried to be serious, but you really are a joke. I asked legitimate questions and you people respond with "lol troll, fuck you". I sent your posts to 894 people. Of the ~40 people who responded, most seem to agree with the majority of what you are saying, but ALL said you were the shittiest worthless piece of shit they have ever seen in their entire life and a disgrace to the community. People like you are the reason people hate these movements, it is very similar to why people hate feminist or vegans, there is nothing wrong with the movement itself, it is the people that make it look bad.

Being gay is fine, no one cares your sexual preference, do what you want. Being transgender is a mental illness, but once again no one cares what you do with yourself. Being transgendered is weird, it does not mean it is a bad thing, but it is deviant behavior. If someone has OCD, I would classify that as weird, it does not make it a bad thing.

It does not really matter though because at the end of the day you are worthless.

Lol, I tried to respond to you seriously, and then you made jokes and started insulting me. LOL I'm sure you sent it to 840 people lmao. Tell me how I care what you or these "40 people." think about me and my involvement in the gay community. You don't know shit bro. I gave you legit answers, and then you tried to be a little dick and pick out how I said I played with barbies and acted like I spoke for every gay person ever. You do nothing but try to ruin everything for everyone else, that's why you got banned from the mod, not because people are stupid, or ill-informed, or the reports were wrong, but because you went out of your way to ruin games. You made our FM literally miserable to the point where 2/3 of an archon fucking quit because you were being an ass. Then you come in here, and look now, you're being an ass again. Banana didn't give you the benefit of the doubt, yeah that's true, but I fucking tried with you, and then you were a cunt about it.

I'm not worthless, no one here is worthless, we all as human beings have worth. And that's why you'll always be a backwards thinking fucktard who get's left behind to be extinct, you can't fucking adapt. For you to sit there and call anyone worthless, you showed your character point blank, and it just shows everything we said about you was true from the jump.

Being transgender is not a fucking illness. Whatever the fuck you have though, you should seek help, because you truly are one disgusting human being.

[ThePaladin]

Quick Question

Why are you guys caring to respond to each other if you think the other side is just insulting you and not responding or counteracting your points?

[PowersThatBe]

1. Who said anything about a conversation about this particular topic that convinced people I am open minded? Believe it or not, there are many reasons for why I am open minded.. This particular issue is but one issue to talk about that can lead people to think I am open minded or not.. Don't get it confused that because YOU see me as close minded about this single topic means that I am close minded.

2. Like I said, I'm a realist. That means I call it like I see it. People's personal perspectives get warped when it comes to sensitive issues and people can't think outside of doing anything that might on the off chance offend anyone for fear of being called insensitive. I am aware of this happening and know it means people are too close to the issue to tell the difference.

3. If you ask me, I would say the psychological community simply gave up calling it a disorder because they thought there was nothing they could do to help these individuals with this particular issue and then just allowed them to continue on their way knowing it was probably better for them since they couldn't reason with them. Psychologist primary rule of thumb is to not be judgemental. This being the case, when someone is convinced of something so strongly, what are they to do?

4. Just because they think a lot about their decision does not at all mean that what they are doing is because of a normality. I have no problem with feminine men or masculine women. As far as that goes, I have no problem with transgender and gender dysmorphia either - I just think that what is going on in their minds is cause by a problem within the mind. I think its entirely possible the psychological community thinks these particular issues are beyond their capability to deal with. I'm not arguing that what these individuals are going through isn't a real thing or that they are making it up.. But I do think that the matter is that these individuals are troubled and its a shame the psychological community has decided to sweep this issue under the rug.

5. I will repeat myself: I don't think there is anything actually "wrong" with being transgender. I don't think its a sin or whatever people are calling it. I consider myself a moral relativist. As such I think there are actually quite few things that are considered "wrong." Trans people have a number of issues that come along with the idea that they don't feel like they are the gender they were born with. For example, I know suicidal rates are quite high for trans persons. IDK that I am even advocating that they change their minds that they are a women in a man's body or vise versa.. I'm simply saying these individuals are deeply troubled and need psychological treatment for their mental health. Would you really say these people are not at all troubled?

1. You stated in this conversation you are seen as open minded. I'm telling you, you're not. The fact I know this because we've offered scientific data, and you will not budge on your opinion. You will not research, you will do nothing to seek the truth. Open minded people seek the truth in all instances. They also accept when they are wrong.

2. I'm not even offended by your ideas. I have friends who are very conservative, and they don't believe in gay marriage. But I can have conversations with them, and they can take what I'm saying and consider it. You on the other hand are dismissing everything out of hand because you think you know more than the psychological community. I'm also a realist, and let's be real, your opinion is warped by either your conservative upbringing or your religion.

3. Tell me where the psychological community did this? Tell me which studies prove this. Tell me where it is published and supported by the APA (American Psychological Association) that they've "just given up on trans people accepting something is wrong with them." See this is where you just prove to me you cant be reasoned with, given objective truth, you rationalize it to fit the narrative you've created "transgender is a sickness". It's not, and the APA and the DSM V say it's not. So all the psychologists got together and said "WE CANT REASON WITH THOSE TRANSGENDER FOLKS LETS JUST REMOVE THE DISORDER FROM THE DSM." ...No what probably happened is they looked at years of research on trans issues and came up with the notion that perhaps being transgendered is not a disorder, and should not be classified as one. The APA does not just "give up" and change things. The fact that this is the BEST rationalization you could come up with, and still think plausible, is quite frankly, frightening.

4. I won't even dignify this with a response.

5. Suicide rates are high for transgender people because of people like you and others in this thread that have reduced them to nothing more than a chemical imbalance, moral and religious abandon, and perversion. (Not all of you have said this, but enough have said shit like this.) Societal fear, and the push for trans people to "be" or "act" normal is what causes them to commit suicide. It's the same reason suicide rates for LGBTQ+ people are higher than straight teens, because, society is full of assholes who have closed minded opinions. Bullying, and other bullshit that goes on in this world to tell LGBTQ+ people they're abnormal is what causes depression, and self harm, self hatred etc. Almost every gay person or trans person or what have you that has come out of the closet, and lived their truest selves, have reported being the most happy they've ever been, as long as they've had support. Support is growing, and people's perceptions are changing, so gay people don't ever have to be in a closet to begin with (hopefully)... so...yeah....your point about suicide rates, also backed by science and data, shows that society's perception of trans people is the cause of suicide, not being trans.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Lol, I tried to respond to you seriously, and then you made jokes and started insulting me. LOL I'm sure you sent it to 840 people lmao. Tell me how I care what you or these "40 people." think about me and my involvement in the gay community. You don't know shit bro. I gave you legit answers, and then you tried to be a little dick and pick out how I said I played with barbies and acted like I spoke for every gay person ever. You do nothing but try to ruin everything for everyone else, that's why you got banned from the mod, not because people are stupid, or ill-informed, or the reports were wrong, but because you went out of your way to ruin games. You made our FM literally miserable to the point where 2/3 of an archon fucking quit because you were being an ass. Then you come in here, and look now, you're being an ass again. Banana didn't give you the benefit of the doubt, yeah that's true, but I fucking tried with you, and then you were a cunt about it.

I'm not worthless, no one here is worthless, we all as human beings have worth. And that's why you'll always be a backwards thinking fucktard who get's left behind to be extinct, you can't fucking adapt. For you to sit there and call anyone worthless, you showed your character point blank, and it just shows everything we said about you was true from the jump.

Being transgender is not a fucking illness. Whatever the fuck you have though, you should seek help, because you truly are one disgusting human being.

You reported me for hacking, which was proven false, which shows how pathetic you are. "If I can't fathom this level of play being possible, it cant be real".

You saying I was being a dick when I asked about the barbies and glitter, but it was a legit question, and was not "picking it out". I was not judging you, but asking you to clarify as I was unsure of what you meant, there was no malice in the question. I would have mentioned the other parts of the post, but I understood what you said. You falsely assumed I did not watch the video, all you do is assume random shit without thinking.

Being transgendered is an illness.... hate to break it to you. I am fine with people being gay or transgendered, but to ignore the fact it is an illness is just silly.

[Quick]

I'm a very nice lady, what are you?

I happen to be male, 30 years old living with my parents suffering with a few diagnosis which include but are not limited to schizoaffective disorder and attention deficit disorder. I am also somewhat impulsive and compulsive and I sometimes have dreams that I can't explain. I'm also a smoker, but have found the absolute cheapest way to smoke cigarettes which ends up costing me about a dollar a day for better or worse. I also enjoy pop-psychology and I identify as IXTP for MBTI/Jungian theory, R|C|Uex for SLOAN/Big 5, 459 as my Enneagram trytype, I also am a CDS according to DISC.

If you know of any other personality typing theory that I didn't mention, please let me know so I can look into it.

[Mesk514]

I happen to be male, 30 years old living with my parents suffering with a few diagnosis which include but are not limited to schizoaffective disorder and attention deficit disorder. I am also somewhat impulsive and compulsive and I sometimes have dreams that I can't explain. I'm also a smoker, but have found the absolute cheapest way to smoke cigarettes which ends up costing me about a dollar a day for better or worse. I also enjoy pop-psychology and I identify as IXTP for MBTI/Jungian theory, R|C|Uex for SLOAN/Big 5, 459 as my Enneagram trytype, I also am a CDS according to DISC.

If you know of any other personality typing theory that I didn't mention, please let me know so I can look into it.

lol, i was medicated for most of those things as a child... and then people wonder why i ended up being a substance abuser...

[PowersThatBe]

You reported me for hacking, which was proven false, which shows how pathetic you are. "If I can't fathom this level of play being possible, it cant be real".

You saying I was being a dick when I asked about the barbies and glitter, but it was a legit question, and was not "picking it out". I was not judging you, but asking you to clarify as I was unsure of what you meant, there was no malice in the question. I would have mentioned the other parts of the post, but I understood what you said. You falsely assumed I did not watch the video, all you do is assume random shit without thinking.

Being transgendered is an illness.... hate to break it to you. I am fine with people being gay or transgendered, but to ignore the fact it is an illness is just silly.

I and many others reported you. And tbh, privately, staff all agreed that you cheated. There was just no way to prove it, so that's the only reason you were let off. Not because you were innocent, but because your methods were a little harder to nail down. And further more, staff's opinion about cheating is basically you have to be like "HUR DUR" and then tell every role before n1... basically, if it's not super super blatant they don't punish. But from a personal standpoint, most of staff knows you cheat. Considering you just say peoples correct roles and then leave as a doc or jester, and dont tell me about associations, because if you were as good as you say you are, you would have gotten gaslight, voss, and pod day 1 in our fm. Instead you pulled outed yourself and the other town power. You just ruin things.

You watched the video and your only comment was about barbies and glitter, and you don't understand how I didn't see this as you just trolling? Was that anecdotal example really so important for you to point out, instead of asking more relative questions to the video, or other points to further enlighten yourself? No, you were trolling, as you do every time you get caught doing something wrong, you play the victim and say we're all just being mean to you. Bro, you're the problem. No one else.

Being transgender is not an illness, and it's not defined as an illness, and there are no legitimate studies to back up that it is an illness. You are wrong. Now shut up. Thanks.

[Carrot Cake]

shut up and kiss. all of you.











why be mean to each other when we can be nice. shurly arguing the stupid points you make is worthles because someone already done the exact same and you will change nothing. its better to be friends than squabble over eaches opinions.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I and many others reported you. And tbh, privately, staff all agreed that you cheated. There was just no way to prove it, so that's the only reason you were let off. Not because you were innocent, but because your methods were a little harder to nail down. And further more, staff's opinion about cheating is basically you have to be like "HUR DUR" and then tell every role before n1... basically, if it's not super super blatant they don't punish. But from a personal standpoint, most of staff knows you cheat. Considering you just say peoples correct roles and then leave as a doc or jester, and dont tell me about associations, because if you were as good as you say you are, you would have gotten gaslight, voss, and pod day 1 in our fm. Instead you pulled outed yourself and the other town power. You just ruin things.

You watched the video and your only comment was about barbies and glitter, and you don't understand how I didn't see this as you just trolling? Was that anecdotal example really so important for you to point out, instead of asking more relative questions to the video, or other points to further enlighten yourself? No, you were trolling, as you do every time you get caught doing something wrong, you play the victim and say we're all just being mean to you. Bro, you're the problem. No one else.

Being transgender is not an illness, and it's not defined as an illness, and there are no legitimate studies to back up that it is an illness. You are wrong. Now shut up. Thanks.

You literally contradict everything you argue against quick by saying "I just know you cheat, there is no way you can do it" Link one replay where I cheat, please do it. If the whole staff "knows" I cheat it should be easy. Please I will love to further embarrass you further then you do your entire family. There is a reason im the pro gamer, and you are nothing. You just assume things, even now you are saying I was trolling, when I am telling you for a fact, I was not.

I realize you are a failure at everything in life, but please prove here that I hack, until then continue being an idiot. For the record I did say to lynch voss, and pod day1, and my town circle was 6/6 towns. I played fine, some mistakes could have improved on, but overall it was fine.

transgendered is an illness, sorry bruh.