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  1. ISO #51

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Never Unlucky View Post
    Except this ^ obvious reply, you've yet to refute any of the points I made about you. You've instead deflected. Not only that, but you haven't made ANY points on me to justify your vote -- This is a OMGUS vote.

    Also, I notice you're giving TDL a lot of credit this game...
    See below.
    I like this post. And I gave TDL a +1 for it. I think it's alignment indicative. Note the two Shift + 66. Takes effort to seem happy. Probably is happy. Probably is happy he rolled town.
    You think it's AI. Care to explain?
    Effort =/= Town

    The post you quoted is TDL stating the obvious. I don't see how one could give a read based on this post.
    Effort = Town, especially for noobs (like me and you). Also, Lurk = Scum. Yet to be proven wrong.
    Just because you couldn't get a read, doesn't mean you can't. From what TDL has posted, at this point he is probably town.

  2. ISO #52

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    [QUOTE=secondpassing;632768]See below.
    You refuted nothing in the 'below' part. I was referring to the 10+ points I've made about you that are left unanswered.
    Effort = Town, especially for noobs (like me and you). Also, Lurk = Scum. Yet to be proven wrong.
    Do I even need to comment on this? Wrong from A to Z.

    I am not a noob anymore. Don't categorize me as such (unless you're Calix/Paladin/DB).

    Just because you couldn't get a read, doesn't mean you can't. From what TDL has posted, at this point he is probably town.
    Logic is absent in this sentence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    DUDE, YOURE ONLY LEFT ALIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EXTRA CHROMOSOME DO YOU NOT SEE THAT

  3. ISO #53

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Originally Posted by DarknessB

    To be fair, the TDL / Calix interaction actually occurred in the opposite order than you mention above. TDL voted Calix, then started to respond to her "nicely", as you characterize it when the two got into setup spec and the like. I don't understand why you give him a point for that though -- yes, civility is a good thing, in terms of our collective sanity / avoiding ragefests, but I don't think it's AI in any way. Also, it strikes me very odd that you Townread someone enough to sheep them based on their opening 3-4 posts? Almost makes me think you are putting a ton of thought into seemingly "random" actions for some reason. Just catches me funny.


    I make the best of the situation I have. (Or I try to.) I'll find the AI post and post it separately. As for sheeping, I've picked up stuff from MS's RVS stage. They actively try to start trains-- currently not trying to do that right now.

    Actively trying to start trains can be a good thing, but why do so at the RVS stage (in terms of limiting your votes to those who already had votes)?

    Okay, I simplified our discussion to a length that is readable.

    Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight
    Yeah, I determined optimal strategy for the town is to lynch two scum while avoiding losing four town.

    Not much to say about it really. ^^


    I like this post. And I gave TDL a +1 for it. I think it's alignment indicative. Note the two Shift + 66. Takes effort to seem happy. Probably is happy. Probably is happy he rolled town.

    Personally, I don't find this explanation persuasive. The context was TDL sarcastically replying to Calix's question about his strategy for the game. His answer just repeats the Town win condition -- i.e. lynch two scum before losing four Town. As for your comments about him seeming happy, I'm not sure when seeming happy / unhappy would be AI? The comment about "two Shift + 66" seems glib so I'll give you a pass for that, but I seriously hope you're not Townreading someone based on their demeanor during the first 3-4 posts of the game...

  4. ISO #54

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Never Unlucky View Post
    @DarknessB What are your thoughts on the interaction between SP and me?
    It's interesting that we're making a lot of the same points in response to SP's posts in our respective responses to him. I note that your tone toward him seem somewhat accusatory, but I feel like you're making good points overall. One decent point SP has landed on you is your apparent unwillingness to place a vote (RVS or otherwise), which sticks out from the other players who have participated so far. Why is that?

  5. ISO #55

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Refuted nothing? Nothing? From what I can see, I've "refuted" everything.
    Most of your points are ALREADY answered. For example, reread #40 and #44. You ask questions that are either out-of-context or ALREADY answered.

    I called you a noob because you are one. I'm a noob. Contrast this with a player like BananaCucho. She played 40+ games, we've played like 7.

    You say I am "deflecting", I'll tell you what I'm doing. I'm like, "What the , why the heck are you asking me that question?"

    Example of how I think of our conversation:
    "Where's dad?"
    "Why don't you turn you head?"


    "What are you cooking?"
    "What did I cook yesterday?"

    "What time is it?"
    "Is the time displayed for you on the computer in front of your face?"

    "Did you claim doctor?"
    "Did you read the thread?"

  6. ISO #56

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Answering nicely makes one a town-read for you? By following your logic, would scum answer impolitely, and that's all sorts of false -- Reaction is mostly based on personality. An asshole will always respond in a dicky manner no matter what his faction is, an Eggy will always answer with flawed logic no matter what his faction is. You can't read someone solely on this aspect.
    -vote Never Unlucky


    In case anyone hasn't guessed, this vote is not random.

    Can you please explain why you're voting Never Unlucky? By your own admission, it's not an RVS vote, but objectively speaking, it seems motivated by him pushing you as opposed to you scumreading him (or at the very least, if you do, it would help if you could explain why in more detail).

    I feel like explaining it further is counterproductive (I did anyway). Your thoughts on their interaction?
    I was limiting my vote to players who were being voted at that point. (only votes were on me, Spruance, Calix, and TDL)



    Weren't you saying that you didn't want the town to sit back? In that sense, you should be voting those who are inactive, no?




    TDL: "Voting a lurker doesn't make them turn on their computer and post."

    Agreed for the most part. We're very early in the game so I will hold off on the "don't let lurkers lurk" refrain of mine, but you can be assured it's coming if we still haven't heard from certain people tomorrow (real life time, not game time).

  7. ISO #57

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Never Unlucky View Post
    That is*

    -vote secondpassing


    It's not an OMGUS vote though it may look like one. I've scum-read him for a while like my other posts suggest.
    Agreed that it's not an OMGUS vote per se, but you have to admit that the timing looks suspicious. Almost seems like you needed SP to vote you before you would take a stand and vote him.

  8. ISO #58

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessB View Post
    I make the best of the situation I have. (Or I try to.) I'll find the AI post and post it separately. As for sheeping, I've picked up stuff from MS's RVS stage. They actively try to start trains-- currently not trying to do that right now.

    Actively trying to start trains can be a good thing, but why do so at the RVS stage (in terms of limiting your votes to those who already had votes)?
    First, because the ones who already had votes on them are closer to being a train. RVS is built to promote discussion and reads, so do trains. I went the train path.
    Second, Trains are nice. People react differently under pressure, which is why you need to train them. Actively having trains also means that town is awake and diligent.

    Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight
    Yeah, I determined optimal strategy for the town is to lynch two scum while avoiding losing four town. Not much to say about it really. ^^
    Personally, I don't find this explanation persuasive. The context was TDL sarcastically replying to Calix's question about his strategy for the game. His answer just repeats the Town win condition -- i.e. lynch two scum before losing four Town. As for your comments about him seeming happy, I'm not sure when seeming happy / unhappy would be AI? The comment about "two Shift + 66" seems glib so I'll give you a pass for that, but I seriously hope you're not Townreading someone based on their demeanor during the first 3-4 posts of the game...
    Hence why I didn't try to persuade anyone with it. And to clarify, I'm townreading TDL for the posts he has posted. You probably have him at "null".
    Also, I think that happiness is AI. Let's not get into it.

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  11. ISO #61

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    I'm going to attempt to refrain from posting for a while so Iced_Monopoly can catch up (it seems he is reading the thread).
    @DarknessB I question your vote on Spruance, because I'd like to see your vote on Never Unlucky, or me, but preferably Never Unlucky. Let's get these trains moving.
    "i question your vote because it's not the same as mine"

    i'm sorry but, whaaaat? lol

    i'm reading from where i left off but what the fuck second passing.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
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  12. ISO #62

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessB View Post
    It's interesting that we're making a lot of the same points in response to SP's posts in our respective responses to him. I note that your tone toward him seem somewhat accusatory, but I feel like you're making good points overall. One decent point SP has landed on you is your apparent unwillingness to place a vote (RVS or otherwise), which sticks out from the other players who have participated so far. Why is that?
    I've placed my vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Refuted nothing? Nothing? From what I can see, I've "refuted" everything.
    Most of your points are ALREADY answered. For example, reread #40 and #44. You ask questions that are either out-of-context or ALREADY answered.
    You're answering with questions all the time, lol. It's deflecting, not answering.

    You didn't explain how I was ATTACKING your posts. You didn't give reads. You didn't reply to the mischaracterization. You didn't make ANY points on my case. You didn’t explain how your first few posts would stir up conversation (The ''well it worked, didn’t it’’ argument is a bad one. There’s no way you were trying to appear scummy to have others comment on you.). You didn’t explain how TDL’s post was AI…
    You answered jack shit. Get to work.

    I called you a noob because you are one. I'm a noob. Contrast this with a player like BananaCucho. She played 40+ games, we've played like 7.
    This is my 4th game, but I am not a noob. I know the game. I'm a better player than some players you'll tag as 'veteran'.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    DUDE, YOURE ONLY LEFT ALIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EXTRA CHROMOSOME DO YOU NOT SEE THAT

  13. ISO #63

  14. ISO #64

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    First, because the ones who already had votes on them are closer to being a train. RVS is built to promote discussion and reads, so do trains. I went the train path.
    Second, Trains are nice. People react differently under pressure, which is why you need to train them. Actively having trains also means that town is awake and diligent.
    Putting someone at L-4 and call this act 'pressure'

    Hence why I didn't try to persuade anyone with it. And to clarify, I'm townreading TDL for the posts he has posted.
    Yeah, no shit.
    Also, I think that happiness is AI. Let's not get into it.
    I've given my opinion on that.
    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    I'm voting Never Unlucky because
    1. Too focused on how "illogical" I am = not scumhunting, more of attacking my arguments
    2. Refuses to answer his own questions I feel he has been hiding this because, hey, the best attack is the best defense.

    The first point is the strongest.
    Literally OMGUS. No scum-reading whatsoever. Calls me out for scum-hunting and does an OMGUS vote
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    DUDE, YOURE ONLY LEFT ALIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EXTRA CHROMOSOME DO YOU NOT SEE THAT

  15. ISO #65

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Hi, sorry I'm late, most people know I'm fairly busy and I don't have a lot of time at this second to participate unless somebody is here now, just read, gonna go through and comment on stuff.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  16. ISO #66

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessB View Post
    This comment suggests that your vote is for more than just RVS purposes. Care to explain what you're thinking?
    This makes me feel Darkness is town from early posts. I don't agree with how heavy the comment was pursued but this is the kind of stuff Darkness usually does. I guess I'm defending Secondpassing when I say this but you make the wording appear more scummy then it really is. Happens to me a lot from you as well.

  17. ISO #67

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    lollolololololololol
    *these are my thoughts*
    *votes someone who hasn't spoken yet*

    someones salty
    Reminds me of the beginner game. You have said few things and not once stated you are always town. I'm skeptical.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  18. ISO #68

  19. ISO #69

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Never Unlucky View Post
    Starts off the Politico-scum!NU way -- makes a mistake and goes back on it marginalizing and discrediting his own post.



    Flagging this post for further consideration -- asking people who they'd like to see lynched before any reads has been made implies that you want to lynch players based on RNG/personal stuff rather than reads. This is odd at best and scummy at worse. I don't like it.
    Honestly, I don't like this post. You tried this strategy last game when you said "Unknown is playing the same way I did when I was scum in POLITICO" it's actually a poor attempt at scum-hunting by comparing others to yourself in argument with a scum-read.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  20. ISO #70

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Never Unlucky View Post
    That's is exactly what I had done in Politico with Kovath, my scum buddy. I had quoted posts he had made on the setup page and buddied with him early on.
    This is annoying. What makes you believe comparing people to you do anything in regards to scum-hunting?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  21. ISO #71

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    I feel like summarizing.

    TDL-Town. (I know this isn't backed up a ton, but I'm not going to make up fake bullshit in my post so I'm going to wait until I can do my wall post stuff)

    DarknessB- Town

    Calix- Scum.

    Never Unlucky- Town, but feels hostile towards everyone and uses odd scum-hunting techniques.

    Mesk514- I like her the least.

    Secondpassing- Under appreciated town who feels ignored.

    Iced_Monopoly- Scum, feels like his regular "scum hiding under the radar" play.

    Whoever the 10th person is I've missed so that is life. My read on Calix is mostly based on her lack of effort and the way she is playing. I will cover this later when I can. Darkness and TDL feel town, Mesk and Iced feel scum and Nu and Secondpassing don't feel terribly scummy to me, but I'm really in and out right now so I can sleep.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  22. ISO #72

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Eggy is poor scum right now but the low contribution leaves me with nothing except that he's butt hurt.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  23. ISO #73

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Can't quote atm, but @Unknown1234
    Iced_Monopoly- Scum, feels like his regular "scum hiding under the radar" play

    What games that I've been scum have i ever played under the radar? I'm also not avoiding anything, I'm in defence force interviews atm and we have to have our phones off and locked away when in certain parts of the building. Pls take your shitty analysis and misrep of my behavior elsewhere.

    In other news, home within the hour. Posting then.


    Monopoly of the Iced variety

  24. ISO #74

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Never Unlucky View Post
    I've placed my vote.

    You're answering with questions all the time, lol. It's deflecting, not answering.

    You didn't explain how I was ATTACKING your posts. You didn't give reads. You didn't reply to the mischaracterization. You didn't make ANY points on my case. You didn’t explain how your first few posts would stir up conversation (The ''well it worked, didn’t it’’ argument is a bad one. There’s no way you were trying to appear scummy to have others comment on you.). You didn’t explain how TDL’s post was AI…
    You answered jack shit. Get to work.

    This is my 4th game, but I am not a noob. I know the game. I'm a better player than some players you'll tag as 'veteran'.
    And your vote isn't RVS. I highly doubt it is random.

    It's not deflecting, it's thinking, "What the heck is Never Unlucky thinking?"

    I don't need to explain how you were attacking my posts, it's clear that you are. I have no idea what you expect of reads four hours into the game. I made points on your case and you are marginalizing them. I don't have to explain how my first few posts would stir up conversation (the fact that it DID work is proof of that. There is no reason even a scum player would try to appear scummy.) I explained how TDL's post was AI you just didn't read it.
    I've answered Jack all the questions he has asked me that was worth answering. If you wish me to work further, I suggest that you pose some questions that can't be answered by me quoting my own posts.

    Okay, it's your 4th game, in my mind, you are characterized as a noob. I know the game too. I highly doubt you are a better player than some players I will tag as 'veteran'.

    There. I used your wording in hopes that your brain will understand what I have written. I've highlighted the next step if you wish to continue this conversation in a meaningful manner in orange.

  25. ISO #75

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    @Eggy please don't bring the drama into this game and vote based on personal feelings. It clogs the thread and really destructs civilization.
    It was a joke lol RVS I dont see what the problem is.

    Anyway I am pretty confident after reading these few pages that NU is actually scum. He is tunneling second passing for absloutley nothing from what I can see. I find it scummy to cling to something posted on the first page and try to paint it as a slip. I also dont think second passing is scummy whats so ever so as far as im concerned this arguement is TVT or its scum vs town with NU being town.

    I know its early in the game but Im pretty sure I kno who 2 of the scum are being NU and mesk.


    Mesk has not posted anything that reminds me of her normal town play and since I was scum with her last game I know her scum play pretty well. She normally contributes more than she has so far. And like unknown said. She hasnt even said her "always town stuff" I feel like NU could have jumped on Second passing to defend mesk since he had just voted her.

    I think we should lynch NU then Mesk=GG

    Anyway im off ill be back on tmrw.

    Reads:

    Town:
    Unknown
    Secondpassing
    DB
    maybe calix

    Scum:
    Nu
    Mesk

    Null everyone else

    Ill be back tmrw.

  26. ISO #76

  27. ISO #77

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Okay really, I can't believe I actually have to say this to get the game running better (or have everyone hate me) but seriously how do you people play with Grudges??

    Eggy, stop the grudge on NU and play the game.

    NU, stop being a doorknob and aggravating people with your cockiness.

    Secondpassing, do not fight with everyone.

    Mesk514, stop deflecting and throwing shade on everyone.

    Spruance, whatever you're going to say just don't.

    Like, I think it's a little annoying to see all of these petty fights and how people play the game according to them. Get over yourselves.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  28. ISO #78

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Eggy View Post
    How am I scum based off one post? And how am I butt hurt lol?? I cant just not like someone? Its ok though I forgive you for doubting my citizenship.
    Eggy, "poor scum" means my read is a weaker read. Regardless, the one post you made is lacking in town motivation and seems unnecessary.

    Not liking someone doesn't involve bringing hate into every game you play with them though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  29. ISO #79

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    Okay really, I can't believe I actually have to say this to get the game running better (or have everyone hate me) but seriously how do you people play with Grudges??

    Eggy, stop the grudge on NU and play the game.

    NU, stop being a doorknob and aggravating people with your cockiness.

    Secondpassing, do not fight with everyone.

    Mesk514, stop deflecting and throwing shade on everyone.

    Spruance, whatever you're going to say just don't.

    Like, I think it's a little annoying to see all of these petty fights and how people play the game according to them. Get over yourselves.
    I dont have a grudge with NU? I just think he is very good and this game I find him scummy for the reasons ive stated. From what i've seen day one slips are not really that much of a thing and
    are usually used by scum to push a mislynch. Like what happened in instant mafia. I have no hard feelings towards NU I just dont like his playstyle. He has a way of discrediting things that strikes me as anti town

  30. ISO #80

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Eggy View Post
    I dont have a grudge with NU? I just think he is very good and this game I find him scummy for the reasons ive stated. From what i've seen day one slips are not really that much of a thing and
    are usually used by scum to push a mislynch. Like what happened in instant mafia. I have no hard feelings towards NU I just dont like his playstyle. He has a way of discrediting things that strikes me as anti town
    You JUST said you don't like him. Stop acting innocent about it so I don't need to parent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  31. ISO #81

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    Eggy, "poor scum" means my read is a weaker read. Regardless, the one post you made is lacking in town motivation and seems unnecessary.

    Not liking someone doesn't involve bringing hate into every game you play with them though.
    It was RVS lol? What hate???? It was a joke I had no motivatiom behind it. And I always oppen with a random vote since I realized that was a thing lol. I really dont have a grudge against any player idk why you are saying that.

  32. ISO #82

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    You JUST said you don't like him. Stop acting innocent about it so I don't need to parent.
    I dont like his play style? I wont let that cloud my judgement lol. If I thought he was town id have unvoted by now. I dont understand why I even have to explain this, more than anything I want to win lol.

  33. ISO #83

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Anyway I gotta go foreal. Ill b back on tmrw. The main reason I find NU scummy is cus hes pushing something as if it was a slip when it doesnt like it was to me. I feel like town would have given up on that already. Also he seemed to have got involved in the argument to defend mesk maybe and she is probably my strongest scum read. They seemed to both ignore eachother.

  34. ISO #84

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Eggy View Post
    I dont like his play style? I wont let that cloud my judgement lol. If I thought he was town id have unvoted by now. I dont understand why I even have to explain this, more than anything I want to win lol.
    Well, your argument isn't very strong so I hope you could see why I would believe you had a grudge against him. That and the "I don't like him"

    Anyways moving on from that, you say his posts "discredit in a way that strikes me as anti-town" how is discrediting anti-town, or why is his different. I feel that NU has a hostile way of playing, which I don't agree with either, but I definitely think it's NAI. He did it in IC as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  35. ISO #85

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Eggy View Post
    Anyway I gotta go foreal. Ill b back on tmrw. The main reason I find NU scummy is cus hes pushing something as if it was a slip when it doesnt like it was to me. I feel like town would have given up on that already. Also he seemed to have got involved in the argument to defend mesk maybe and she is probably my strongest scum read. They seemed to both ignore eachother.
    Slips are pushed by town. I've had pushed on me for slips, others too, don't think that's a string argument to use.

    Where was this 'defense' of Mesk? Maybe I missed it.

    Wouldn't you want to vote Mesk if she is your biggest scum-read and because you are connecting NU with Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  36. ISO #86

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    First up, reading SP as town, especially after his earlier comment
    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Awesome, I managed to stir up conversation.

    I was bored and impatient. It does things to people. Also, I feel the need to post, but that is partly because I feel responsible to play this game and that it is day one. Day one needs to be moved otherwise people sit and wait and die.

    I have a really hard time making random votes. My first vote on Calix was due to me liking TDL's first posts and that people should be training early on.
    I moved my vote to Mesk514 because I'm salty.

    This guy is salty too
    This was my thought process too, driving hard trains and analysis reactions and opinions to those trains, the more we have the chance to get in, the better. (until we have too many and it becomes meaningless..)

    Im still semi scum reading DB, Im uncomfortable with the position hes taken in this game so far, which to me has been 'drawing attention of other players to each other, and perpetuating conversation (arguements/scum reads/and what have you) while maintaining a position far enough away to avoid the spotlight'. Potentially going out of his way to create TvT situations, if not more sinisterly creating TvS situations and subtly backing the scum/strawmaning the T (that cant be proven without a flip though, so its mostly just internal paranoia)

    I too havnt liked unknowns posts, most of them have contributed nothing, just telling people to stop fighting (despite there being no legitimate fights or arguements, petty grudges is even a stretch). The posts he did make on reads have already been refuted (myself included), looks like he is just attempting to participate by throwing shade.

    NUs interactions are interesting, based on my read of DB, that either puts him as T or S (obviously) based on the scenarios I considered earlier, Im more inclined to roll with T though

    Mesk has done shit all, I mean she hasnt even spammed the fuck out of being town yet, which probably shouldve happened by now. Thats not a real point, but il wait to see more of mesk before I make any actual decisions, for now id be leaning slight scum but mostly unaligned.

    eggy is eggy, its going to be very easier to determine if hes scum or not based on how this game progresses. If he is scum, I dont think we'll learn much on a flip, as even his teammates are likely to chuck him under the bus. Might be best to leave till later if he starts to show signs of his scum play and we need a guaranteed lynch.

    I think that just leaves TDL and Calix, which ive no opinion on as of yet (as theyve done nothing AI).

    I think best course of action D1 is to lynch a player that has had interactions with the most number of people, and been at the heart of most discussions. This gives us the most information to work with moving into D2. The consequence is of course that we're down 1 active player, but im willing to gamble on information > chance of lurkers. Lurkers can have their asses lynched anyways.


    Monopoly of the Iced variety

  37. ISO #87

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Jesus Christ, this formatting is cancerous. Is it really that hard to use the [QUOTE] function or at least separate your posts using colours or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Awesome, I managed to stir up conversation.
    I find this hard to believe. Your early posts just look like you were wanting to post first more than anything else and I fail to see how your posts would have resulted in anything productive occurring.

    However, I do like the points you make about trying to pressure players early on with trains, although that falls under theory spec so not a strong point.

    If you openly admit that your Mesk vote was because of salt, why didn't you change it after admitting the fact? (as the vote would have become useless in terms of pressuring players)

    NU makes some strong points against SP. Town leaning.

    This is meta, but Mesk is really subdued this game and unlike her OW play (where she struggled to keep up with the high post volume) I see no reason for that to be the case. Slight scum lean.

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    It's fair game. Whatever. I find the first posts rather useless this match. The most important thing is that TDL answered Calix rather nicely (so I give him a point for that) and that he voted Calix. As they say, sheep your townreads and make a train (why I voted Calix instead of TDL).
    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    I like this post. And I gave TDL a +1 for it. I think it's alignment indicative. Note the two Shift + 66. Takes effort to seem happy. Probably is happy. Probably is happy he rolled town.
    You town-read TDL based on a RVS vote, being happy (which you should go into more depth with as I don't follow how that's AI) and some setup spec? Those are NAI and the fact that you are comfortable enough with your town-read based on that to follow him (not just because you want to pressure players but because you are sheeping a town-read from the start of the game) rubs me the wrong way. Scum have a far easier time confirming town as they are informed on everyone's alignment and thus overstate their level of confidence in a read that is at odds with the reasoning given.

    tl;dr: This town-read is far stronger than warranted.

    -vote secondpassing


    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessB View Post
    Agreed that it's not an OMGUS vote per se, but you have to admit that the timing looks suspicious. Almost seems like you needed SP to vote you before you would take a stand and vote him.
    Not a fan of this. You insinuate that voting someone who voted you first is scummy with NU, but you don't actually stick yourself down in saying "NU is suspicious because of this" instead relying on inferences.

    It also ignores context. Voting someone just because they voted for you = suspicious. Voting someone who you stated a scum-read on and who voted you first = NAI.

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    I'm voting Never Unlucky because
    1. Too focused on how "illogical" I am = not scumhunting, more of attacking my arguments
    2. Refuses to answer his own questions I feel he has been hiding this because, hey, the best attack is the best defense.

    The first point is the strongest.
    1. How is 'attacking your arguments' a scum tell? Unless you think that he is trying to paint you as scum, this isn't scummy.
    2. Which questions do you feel he is trying to avoid and how would evading said questions help, exactly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    Honestly, I don't like this post. You tried this strategy last game when you said "Unknown is playing the same way I did when I was scum in POLITICO" it's actually a poor attempt at scum-hunting by comparing others to yourself in argument with a scum-read.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but this was one of your first posts and given that you don't state a scum-read on him, I fail to see why you'd bother with this post as all it does it criticise a NAI part of NU's playstyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    I feel like summarizing.

    TDL-Town. (I know this isn't backed up a ton, but I'm not going to make up fake bullshit in my post so I'm going to wait until I can do my wall post stuff)

    DarknessB- Town

    Calix- Scum.

    Never Unlucky- Town, but feels hostile towards everyone and uses odd scum-hunting techniques.

    Mesk514- I like her the least.

    Secondpassing- Under appreciated town who feels ignored.

    Iced_Monopoly- Scum, feels like his regular "scum hiding under the radar" play.

    Whoever the 10th person is I've missed so that is life. My read on Calix is mostly based on her lack of effort and the way she is playing. I will cover this later when I can. Darkness and TDL feel town, Mesk and Iced feel scum and Nu and Secondpassing don't feel terribly scummy to me, but I'm really in and out right now so I can sleep.
    Making a reads list with less than 100 posts into the game. Strong.

    Instead of showing any initiative, all it does is make it look like you're contributing while placing the onus of explaining these reads on the town.

    Again, the fact that anyone has a read on either TDL or myself astounds me, given that all we did was discuss the setup and vote for each other due to meta.

    I don't see why you feel the need to undermine a town-read by saying he is hostile and scum-hunts oddly. You also do the same thing with TDL by going "oh yeah I don't have much to back up this town-read"

    Didn't Iced just make a few check-in posts before you made this post? That, coupled with your 'scum-read' of me because I 'haven't put enough effort into the game', makes it look like you are trying to use NAI aspects to make players look bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly View Post
    Im still semi scum reading DB, Im uncomfortable with the position hes taken in this game so far, which to me has been 'drawing attention of other players to each other, and perpetuating conversation (arguements/scum reads/and what have you) while maintaining a position far enough away to avoid the spotlight'. Potentially going out of his way to create TvT situations, if not more sinisterly creating TvS situations and subtly backing the scum/strawmaning the T (that cant be proven without a flip though, so its mostly just internal paranoia)
    Which posts gave you the impression that DB is trying to create TvT/ TvS situations?

    What about NU made you conclude town > scum?

    Agreed that Eggy and TDL are null.

    I think best course of action D1 is to lynch a player that has had interactions with the most number of people, and been at the heart of most discussions. This gives us the most information to work with moving into D2. The consequence is of course that we're down 1 active player, but im willing to gamble on information > chance of lurkers. Lurkers can have their asses lynched anyways.
    While I agree that lynching an active = more information, it's better to just stick to lynching scum reads regardless of activity. If someone is scummy enough, then they'll be in the spotlight regardless. This idea is just going to give low-posters such as Spruance a pass for today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Romeo View Post
    Go fuck yourself in the cucho.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    Your accent has ruined medieval fantasy films.

  38. ISO #88

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    First of all, I've never read SecondPassing to be scum, so I don't see how someone could be jumping to my defence.
    Second of all, this game is all about POE and scum hunting. If you're going to use your personal issues as a way to scum hunt, please get the fuck out.
    Third of all, It's not throwing shade if you don't understand someones thought process and just want a clarification.

    Thus being said, I've been AFK. So HELLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I AM MESK, care to test your luck and run a train on me? I promise I'll enjoy it more than you will, I'm sure Eggy can agree to that..... take that for real life meta !!! CHOOOOCHOOOOOO

    Anyways regarding SecondPassing and Never Unlucky, while SecondPassings thought process doesn't seem that well thought out. Looking back I believe his vote to be a RVS one, and if it wasn't then why is his vote still there?

    SecondPassing himself even admits he's salty so that leaves me with, why would Never Unlucky continue to push him on a dead point?
    Never Unlucky goes on & such.
    I've literally said this every fucking game but for fucks sakes, 35 posts into a game doesn't give you enough to make a full educated read on someone. And this is where I see Never Unlucky contradicting himself.

    "Flagging this post for further consideration -- asking people who they'd like to see lynched before any reads has been made implies that you want to lynch players based on RNG/personal stuff rather than reads. This is odd at best and scummy at worse. I don't like it."
    "I don't like that you feel the 'need to post' -- A town would feel the need to contribute to scumhunting even if that's made in only two posts. Quantity doesn't matter. You drawing attention to 'posting' specifically implies that you want to appear active but not necessarily contribute."

    Never Unlucky calls out SecondPassing for wanting people to give some sort serious contribution to the game and says he's wanting "to lynch players based on RNG/personal stuff rather than leads. Day 1 there are no reads, so the only way to establish anything you have to engage in conversation. Therefore when Never Unlucky talks about contribution not needing to be quantity he's basically saying that a Town wouldn't feel the need to be super active and engaging in a game like this. Which seems odd.

    SecondPassing on the other hand seems to be a little more friendly this game, which could be scum motivated but he seems to be handling himself better than Never Unlucky he is so unlike Iced, I'm more inclined SecondPassing is a definite T in this T v ?


    So then Never Unlucky literally goes on to tunnel SecondPassing, jumps to asking for Darkness' opinion on this interaction.

    Darkness seems to have the most common sense so far...
    "Also, the "thoughts don't count" comment is silly and he has to know it -- anything you say or do in an FM game is fair to examine and there doesn't seem to be much point in discounting one's own actions."
    "but I seriously hope you're not Townreading someone based on their demeanor during the first 3-4 posts of the game..."

    Going on to Eggy who's made the biggest contradiction their is yet in this game

    Anyway I am pretty confident after reading these few pages that NU is actually scum. He is tunneling second passing for absloutley nothing from what I can see. I find it scummy to cling to something posted on the first page and try to paint it as a slip. I also dont think second passing is scummy whats so ever so as far as im concerned this arguement is TVT or its scum vs town with NU being town.

    I know its early in the game but Im pretty sure I kno who 2 of the scum are being NU and mesk.

    What is going through your mind to make a mistake like that? lol

    Iced said this regarding Eggy: "as even his teammates are likely to chuck him under the bus"
    which to be honest I believe it's more Eggy who would throw his team mates under the bus as opposed to them throwing him. That's been shown enough during Eggys previous scum plays.

    Spruance...? Has Spruance said anything?

    Calix... let me start with this
    "Mesk is really subdued this game and unlike her OW play (where she struggled to keep up with the high post volume) I see no reason for that to be the case."

    DUDE, ITS NOT EVEN 24 FUCKING HOURS INTO THE GAME, I HAVE A LIFE, I HAVE THINGS TO DO, THINGS TO CLEAN, PEOPLE TO SATISFY, PEOPLE TO ENTERTAIN, FUCK OFF BITCH AND START BEING RESPECTFUL OF THE ONES THAT ARE WILLING TO TAKE A BULLET FOR YOU <3

    Any comments on Never Unlucky seemingly trying to buddy with you? why the fuck do you care about his formatting?

    "While I agree that lynching an active = more information, it's better to just stick to lynching scum reads regardless of activity. If someone is scummy enough, then they'll be in the spotlight regardless. This idea is just going to give low-posters such as Spruance a pass for today."

    Calix, you've often come after me for defending myself with "Hey, I did what I had to do to survive the game" so what makes this game different? If Spruance is lurking for whatever reason, isn't that something you highly frown upon. Isn't it you who advocates removing toxic players before a critical moment in a game?

    Unknowns okay, I agree on most of his points...
    "I don't agree with how heavy the comment was pursued but this is the kind of stuff Darkness usually does. "
    "What makes you believe comparing people to you do anything in regards to scum-hunting?"
    "NU, stop being a doorknob and aggravating people with your cockiness."
    " I feel that NU has a hostile way of playing"

    Iced and TDL are pretty much Null as they have the least activity after Spruance, who's posted Nada. I guess I'd like to see how they fit into all this


    so now that I'm all caught up, i would kindly ask that you all hop off my dick. kthxkbye

    Spoiler : Yuck :
    "This is my 4th game, but I am not a noob. I know the game. I'm a better player than some players you'll tag as 'veteran'."

    Dude, who the fuck do you think you are?
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  39. ISO #89

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Spoiler : For reference...these are the TWO posts that Unknown used to form a scum-read on Iced :
    Quote Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly View Post
    -vote secondpassing

    Im going to be leaving in a few mins for atleast the next 4 hours, so this seems as good a place as any to begin.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly View Post
    Im still in and out, reading in the breaks i get, my 4 hours plan is out the window, could be upto another 2.5 hours yet. Not a fan of db atm, will post on it when im home


    Spoiler : And these are the posts that SP used to town-read TDL :


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight View Post
    -vote Calix


    Time to tunnel you mindlessly for no legitimate reason at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight View Post
    You see, I'm secretly John Cena, so you can't see me.

    That means you are lying about seeing me, and are obv scum. GG pleb. Get good.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight View Post
    Yeah, I determined optimal strategy for the town is to lynch two scum while avoiding losing four town.

    Not much to say about it really. ^^
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight View Post
    Just gonna play this like a normal all citizens vs all Mafioso game. Find scum reads, lynch them. Find town reads, don't lynch them. I don't really think finding an arbitrary number of town reads is particularly important.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight View Post
    Town blocs leave people too comfortable. Albeit I will admit it's not as bad this game as if a single scum is on it it won't kill our game since one scum can survive and we still win.

    Honestly the win conditions seem terribly arbitrary to me and the person DW took the idea from must have been smoking some weird shit.

    But I'm not really liking the idea of a townbloc anyways since that just results in us getting too comfortable with people.

    @Unknown1234 @secondpassing Explain how these posts have any relevance on someone's alignment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Romeo View Post
    Go fuck yourself in the cucho.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    Your accent has ruined medieval fantasy films.

  40. ISO #90

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    also,
    -vote Never Unlucky
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  41. ISO #91

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Anyways regarding SecondPassing and Never Unlucky, while SecondPassings thought process doesn't seem that well thought out. Looking back I believe his vote to be a RVS one, and if it wasn't then why is his vote still there?
    If you're referring to SP voting for you, he changed his vote a while ago.

    I've literally said this every fucking game but for fucks sakes, 35 posts into a game doesn't give you enough to make a full educated read on someone. And this is where I see Never Unlucky contradicting himself.

    "Flagging this post for further consideration -- asking people who they'd like to see lynched before any reads has been made implies that you want to lynch players based on RNG/personal stuff rather than reads. This is odd at best and scummy at worse. I don't like it."
    "I don't like that you feel the 'need to post' -- A town would feel the need to contribute to scumhunting even if that's made in only two posts. Quantity doesn't matter. You drawing attention to 'posting' specifically implies that you want to appear active but not necessarily contribute."

    Never Unlucky calls out SecondPassing for wanting people to give some sort serious contribution to the game and says he's wanting "to lynch players based on RNG/personal stuff rather than leads. Day 1 there are no reads, so the only way to establish anything you have to engage in conversation. Therefore when Never Unlucky talks about contribution not needing to be quantity he's basically saying that a Town wouldn't feel the need to be super active and engaging in a game like this. Which seems odd.
    You say that he calls out SP on a point that you disagree on with regards to activity...but what is your point exactly outside of it seeming 'odd'?

    SecondPassing on the other hand seems to be a little more friendly this game, which could be scum motivated but he seems to be handling himself better than Never Unlucky he is so unlike Iced, I'm more inclined SecondPassing is a definite T in this T v ?
    What do you mean by 'handling himself better' and how is this town-motivated?

    So then Never Unlucky literally goes on to tunnel SecondPassing, jumps to asking for Darkness' opinion on this interaction.
    Tunneling...also not a scum tell.

    Common sense is not alignment-indicative, same as almost everything else that's been used so far. What is with everyone using the worst reasoning to form reads so far?

    I don't think Eggy is so stupid as to state "NU is actually scum" and "SP isn't scummy at all" before saying "this is TvS and NU is town" - looks like a typo. You even refer to it as a mistake yourself...so how is it the 'biggest contradiction' in the game exactly?

    The salt is real.

    How has NU been trying to buddy me? I don't think we've actually talked yet in this game and him kissing my arse is how he rolls. Beginner's Game, anyone?

    I don't think Spruance has even logged onto his account yet. I also don't get how you inferred that I wanted to 'keep toxic players around' when I was countering Iced's point about lynching a scummy active player > just lynching a scummy player regardless of activity.

    You actually liked Unknown's posts? Nothing you quoted has him scum-hunting or making any definitive stances on alignments.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Romeo View Post
    Go fuck yourself in the cucho.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    Your accent has ruined medieval fantasy films.

  42. ISO #92

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Vote Count 1.0




    Interesting that the wagons are this consolidated so early on as opposed to having 9430957 wagons like we usually have at SOD. Either it's TvS and one of the wagons is a counter-train to the scum wagon or it's TvT and the scum are sitting back.

    Thinking the former right now, given how divisive SP vs NU has been in terms of organising players so quickly. Scum have little incentive to stick their necks out over two town wagons.

    The other two votes are just RVS.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Romeo View Post
    Go fuck yourself in the cucho.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    Your accent has ruined medieval fantasy films.

  43. ISO #93

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    Well, your argument isn't very strong so I hope you could see why I would believe you had a grudge against him. That and the "I don't like him"

    Anyways moving on from that, you say his posts "discredit in a way that strikes me as anti-town" how is discrediting anti-town, or why is his different. I feel that NU has a hostile way of playing, which I don't agree with either, but I definitely think it's NAI. He did it in IC as well.
    I didnt say its scummy just said that its anti town. Even if he is town. I just dont like how he always says people are deflecting when they are not or that they didnt answer his questions when they did.

  44. ISO #94

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    Slips are pushed by town. I've had pushed on me for slips, others too, don't think that's a string argument to use.

    Where was this 'defense' of Mesk? Maybe I missed it.

    Wouldn't you want to vote Mesk if she is your biggest scum-read and because you are connecting NU with Mesk.
    Well NU started attacking second passing as soon as he voted mesk. That was my train of thought at least. And i am about to change my vote. Mesk seems to fishy to me. Especially after her last post.

  45. ISO #95

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    Which posts gave you the impression that DB is trying to create TvT/ TvS situations?
    #25 and #27 seem more like him trying to bring mesk and SP into an arguement/focusing on each other, then he repeats a near-same behaviour with SP and NU. The SP/NU discussions he was more involved in and interacted a little more, rather than just facilitating the conversation for other people to focus on each other, which reads less scummy to me than just throwing two people at each other and sitting back to watch the show, still suspicious overall though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    What about NU made you conclude town > scum?
    Because I cant make a decent case that I believe in for reading as scum at the moment, im not convinced on the other arguements that have been made about him either yet.

    In regards to the two current trains, im still townreading SP, and as im undecided on NU (and believe in heavier trains in this setup), im relocating my vote
    -vote Never Unlucky


    Monopoly of the Iced variety

  46. ISO #96

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly View Post
    First up, reading SP as town, especially after his earlier comment

    This was my thought process too, driving hard trains and analysis reactions and opinions to those trains, the more we have the chance to get in, the better. (until we have too many and it becomes meaningless..)

    Im still semi scum reading DB, Im uncomfortable with the position hes taken in this game so far, which to me has been 'drawing attention of other players to each other, and perpetuating conversation (arguements/scum reads/and what have you) while maintaining a position far enough away to avoid the spotlight'. Potentially going out of his way to create TvT situations, if not more sinisterly creating TvS situations and subtly backing the scum/strawmaning the T (that cant be proven without a flip though, so its mostly just internal paranoia)

    I too havnt liked unknowns posts, most of them have contributed nothing, just telling people to stop fighting (despite there being no legitimate fights or arguements, petty grudges is even a stretch). The posts he did make on reads have already been refuted (myself included), looks like he is just attempting to participate by throwing shade.

    NUs interactions are interesting, based on my read of DB, that either puts him as T or S (obviously) based on the scenarios I considered earlier, Im more inclined to roll with T though

    Mesk has done shit all, I mean she hasnt even spammed the fuck out of being town yet, which probably shouldve happened by now. Thats not a real point, but il wait to see more of mesk before I make any actual decisions, for now id be leaning slight scum but mostly unaligned.

    eggy is eggy, its going to be very easier to determine if hes scum or not based on how this game progresses. If he is scum, I dont think we'll learn much on a flip, as even his teammates are likely to chuck him under the bus. Might be best to leave till later if he starts to show signs of his scum play and we need a guaranteed lynch.

    I think that just leaves TDL and Calix, which ive no opinion on as of yet (as theyve done nothing AI).

    I think best course of action D1 is to lynch a player that has had interactions with the most number of people, and been at the heart of most discussions. This gives us the most information to work with moving into D2. The consequence is of course that we're down 1 active player, but im willing to gamble on information > chance of lurkers. Lurkers can have their asses lynched anyways.
    Dont think i've ever been chucked under the bus. I dont even ever remember being lynched lol. Except for in insanity but thts because I was afk(didnt even submit night action) idk where you are getting this from.

    I dont like how you are saying we should lynchthe most active player instead of the player who we scum read the hardest. I dont think that is a smart move at all, it almost encourages potential scum to keep lurking.

  47. ISO #97

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly View Post
    #25 and #27 seem more like him trying to bring mesk and SP into an arguement/focusing on each other, then he repeats a near-same behaviour with SP and NU. The SP/NU discussions he was more involved in and interacted a little more, rather than just facilitating the conversation for other people to focus on each other, which reads less scummy to me than just throwing two people at each other and sitting back to watch the show, still suspicious overall though.

    Because I cant make a decent case that I believe in for reading as scum at the moment, im not convinced on the other arguements that have been made about him either yet.

    In regards to the two current trains, im still townreading SP, and as im undecided on NU (and believe in heavier trains in this setup), im relocating my vote
    -vote Never Unlucky
    Im about to unvote never unlucky. Think im wrong about him. I dont trust the people who are on his train. I suggest we all vote mesk for a guaranteed successful lynch.

  48. ISO #98

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly View Post
    #25 and #27 seem more like him trying to bring mesk and SP into an arguement/focusing on each other, then he repeats a near-same behaviour with SP and NU. The SP/NU discussions he was more involved in and interacted a little more, rather than just facilitating the conversation for other people to focus on each other, which reads less scummy to me than just throwing two people at each other and sitting back to watch the show, still suspicious overall though.
    #25 was him asking for a clarification for a meta reference. I don't see anything notable there. You make a stronger point with #27 as he funnels Mesk's line of thought along those lines.

    Because I cant make a decent case that I believe in for reading as scum at the moment, im not convinced on the other arguements that have been made about him either yet.

    In regards to the two current trains, im still townreading SP, and as im undecided on NU (and believe in heavier trains in this setup), im relocating my vote
    -vote Never Unlucky
    Wait, so you state that you can't think of a compelling scum narrative for NU, yet you are willing to put him at L-2? Your vote won't do anything because a) you have openly said that you don't scum-read him/ have not affirmed your agreement with any arguments made against him and b) you haven't given him anything to respond to.

    Not sure on how likely a quick-hammer is in this setup, but given that time is the only thing we have, I don't like the prospect of some idiot early-hammering and thus reducing the amount of time we have to discuss.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Romeo View Post
    Go fuck yourself in the cucho.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    Your accent has ruined medieval fantasy films.

  49. ISO #99

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Eggy View Post
    Dont think i've ever been chucked under the bus. I dont even ever remember being lynched lol. Except for in insanity but thts because I was afk(didnt even submit night action) idk where you are getting this from.

    I dont like how you are saying we should lynchthe most active player instead of the player who we scum read the hardest. I dont think that is a smart move at all, it almost encourages potential scum to keep lurking.
    My 'under the bus' comments were in regards to your emotional and abusive state you assume when scum and being read for it. Being an easy tell, your teammates would probably rather lynch you than defend you should you be scum.

    As for my comments on most active, its D1 only that im suggesting this, I also said the other criteria for the lynch would be that player being the most discussed (they could have 1 post and still be most discussed - doesnt need activity) as the interactions we could analyse from a post flip lynch would reveal the motives of the most number of players. Your own arguement is contradictory too, you claim to not want to encourage scum to lurk, but you want to lynch strongest scum read. To get a strong scum read on D1, a player must be talking and/or interacting (with votes), otherwise theyre not a strong lynch, more so a policy lynch. So you are either in favour of policy lynching or lynching active players today (which is what youre calling me on).


    Monopoly of the Iced variety

  50. ISO #100

    Re: S-FM 209: Black Flag Nightless

    Quote Originally Posted by Eggy View Post
    Dont think i've ever been chucked under the bus. I dont even ever remember being lynched lol. Except for in insanity but thts because I was afk(didnt even submit night action) idk where you are getting this from.

    I dont like how you are saying we should lynchthe most active player instead of the player who we scum read the hardest. I dont think that is a smart move at all, it almost encourages potential scum to keep lurking.
    I initially had this same concern. However it'll become really obvious if the scum try to lurk their way to a win and there is literally no incentive for a town player to lurk when there are no TPRs or whatever reasoning people use to justify that 'strategy'

    It's still a dumb idea that just unnecessarily reduces the pressure you can apply to inactive players though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orpz View Post
    Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Romeo View Post
    Go fuck yourself in the cucho.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    Your accent has ruined medieval fantasy films.

 

 

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