SC2 MAFIA 2.0 blinkstyle.

[Mike]

this is wrong though... if you check the table on the setup page it for example has citizen as a possible government

sorry I forgot Citzen

[Light_Yagami]

Mason Isnt A Possible Role.. We Might Have A Crier

[AIVION]

and there's no spy or investigator. and there can be a mason as well

I already mentioned the Poor Mason, blasphemy.

[Mike]

Here added Cit

Roles	Killing	Power	Investigative	Protective	Government	Killing	Support	Deception
Killing Support Deception Government Investigative Killing Protective Power ANY ANY Citizen Citizen Benign Evil Any	Veteran Jailer Body Guard Vigiante	Veteran Jailer Bus Driver Spy	Lookout Detective Corner Investigator Sherriff	Body Guard BussDriver Escort Doctor	Crier Marshell Mayor Citizen	Kidnapper Disguiser GodFather Mafioso	Agent Kidnaper Blackmailer Consigliere Consort	Beguiler Disguiser Janitor Framer

[AIVION]

People Glip is at L2 Way too easy. He is not fighting it. Feels Like he is Jester. If he was throwing this hard don't you think Blink would have Hammered for game throwing?????

This has brought votes off SCV who I believe is Scum. Let's not start a lynch with a possible Jester Lynch. This is way too easy. If he is Scum Let a Jailer jail him or a Vig Shoot him at night. I am guessing Blink would have put one of those 2 in this setup.

SCV is the bet lynch for Day 1 not Glip.

If SCVMurderer really isn't an Amnesiac, what do you think he is? Mafia? NK?

[AIVION]

Here added Cit

Roles	Killing	Power	Investigative	Protective	Government	Killing	Support	Deception
Killing Support Deception Government Investigative Killing Protective Power ANY ANY Citizen Citizen Benign Evil Any	Veteran Jailer Body Guard Vigiante	Veteran Jailer Bus Driver Spy	Lookout Detective Corner Investigator Sherriff	Body Guard BussDriver Escort Doctor	Crier Marshell Mayor Citizen	Kidnapper Disguiser GodFather Mafioso	Agent Kidnaper Blackmailer Consigliere Consort	Beguiler Disguiser Janitor Framer

Riot No Mason. #NeverforgettheMason

[DJarJar]

here's the actual table lol

Role List[/CENTER]

Town Government	Town Investigative	Town Killing	Town Power	Town Protective	Mafia Deception	Mafia Killing	Mafia Support	Neutral Benign	Neutral Evil	Neutral Killing
Citizen Crier Mason Mayor Marshall	Coroner Detective Lookout Sheriff	Bodyguard Jailor Veteran Vigilante	Bus Driver Jailor Veteran	Bodyguard Bus Driver Doctor Escort	Beguiler Framer Janitor Tailor	Godfather Kidnapper Mafioso	Agent Consigliere Consort Kidnapper	Amnesiac Executioner Jester Survivor	Arsonist Auditor MassMurderer SerialKiller Witch	Arsonist MassMurderer SerialKiller

[Mike]

Riot No Mason. #NeverforgettheMason

This is not a cult save Blink said he hand picked the Roles and Randomed the players to the roles.

[Unknown1234]

This is not a cult save Blink said he hand picked the Roles and Randomed the players to the roles.

Clearly you don’t understand mason then =)

[DJarJar]

Mason Isnt A Possible Role.. We Might Have A Crier

Technically it is a possible role, and I could see Blink putting in a solo mason as a troll play (essentially just a citizen).

[Mike]

here's the actual table lol

Role List[/CENTER]

Town Government	Town Investigative	Town Killing	Town Power	Town Protective	Mafia Deception	Mafia Killing	Mafia Support	Neutral Benign	Neutral Evil	Neutral Killing
Citizen Crier Mason Mayor Marshall	Coroner Detective Lookout Sheriff	Bodyguard Jailor Veteran Vigilante	Bus Driver Jailor Veteran	Bodyguard Bus Driver Doctor Escort	Beguiler Framer Janitor Tailor	Godfather Kidnapper Mafioso	Agent Consigliere Consort Kidnapper	Amnesiac Executioner Jester Survivor	Arsonist Auditor MassMurderer SerialKiller Witch	Arsonist MassMurderer SerialKiller

lol Did not like my table lol

[AIVION]

Clearly you don’t understand mason then =)

^ This man get's it.

This blasphemy is unacceptable!

[AIVION]

lol Did not like my table lol

I mean.. that IS the actual table though xD

[Unknown1234]

My bad, you are right, you are confirmed godfather what have I been thinking!! Here have an L-3 for your trouble

-vote Glip

@aamirus what made you change your vote?

[Mike]

Clearly you don’t understand mason then =)

Yes I get what you are saying, any player that knows there is another confirmed town player will make them masons.

[Mike]

I mean.. that IS the actual table though xD

oh lol I made mine no copy and paste haha

[Glip]

So as I eluded to earlier, I likely be able to put in as much time as I would like for day 1. However, I will still give some thoughts and I'll also be on again before the end of the day.

1) While there are more citizens then usual (more then 0) compared to games on the mod and the setup seems somewhat anti-town, town is still going to have a massive amount of PRs during the night phase. As such, I am perfectly if no one is lynched today and waiting to see what the night reveals, even though I am also not against potentially lynching.

2) For the Damus train: After reading through the thread, I have come to the conclusion that unless Damus is doing some type of gambit as a town player, he has been utterly useless up to this point. While he is using WIFOM as a defense for his actions not making him scum, all he has done is put most of the games focus on himself and done effectively nothing in an effort to scumhunt. The issue though does come back to the WIFOM defense. While Damus has been useless from a pro-town perspective, there isn't any clear motive for scum to play as Damus has been playing. Sure, he's potentially protected other people from falling into the hotseat, but he is drawing lots of negative attention to himself, so it doesn't seem to be at all beneficial unless it's a scum gambit. As such, Damus isn't currently my top lynch choice, even though I think that if he is town, his play so far has been abysmal.

3) Glip is an interesting case...



This is a nasty trick no matter how you look at it, because it's essentially attempting to use pity as a tool for lenience. This isn't something that can be refuted out right, since I can't be certain that Glip isn't telling the truth here and that the last FM did in fact have a negative effect on him. Having said that, the tldr of this response is essentially "Appearing pro-town is too much effort, so if I don't appear as pro-town this game, that is why". The reason why I am going to doubt this is that it is extremely clear that you are still putting a significant amount of effort into this game thread. The main difference I am questioning is your change in persona. The way that you played in previous FMs matched your personality far more closely then how you are playing now. As such, I don't see your persona change as a decrease in effort.

I'm not going to give a free pass here. The scum motive for this type of trick is obvious. Also, can anyone read this and tell me that this seems at all like jester play?

-vote Glip

4) @AIVION I can't go that hard in terms of activity police since I'm likely going to be the lowest poster at the end of the day. However, effectively none of your posts up to this point have had any substance. Luna also hasn't done much contributing, but I'll go right ahead and say that I'll give her a free pass for day 1 since this is her first time playing mafia. What thoughts do you have up to this point? I'll also extend the question to Luna.

Back at my desk now so I can start to address some of this: That post was not intended to garner sympathy/pity whatsoever. I was asked to explain why I'm playing differently this game, and I did that as matter-of-factly as I could. Your summary is apt, and I'd debate the statement that I'm putting a significant amount of effort in, but that's semantics AND arbitrary, so that will go nowhere. You're free to scumread me for this as you will, but it's not going to change how I play.

Lastly, I don't think I've tried any sort of trick so far this game. I believe I've been very straightforward with who I am and what I claim. And on that that note:

-vote Mike

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

Because:
1. It's 3rd time when you vote for damus grave WHEN YOU ALREADY VOTED FOR HIM
2. He meant "Claiming mafia", noone is confirmed mafia right now
3. You're annoying

I've voted Mike in nearly every post I've made so far this game, but you insist on calling MM out for it, not me. Okay.

For pepole that didn't voted glip yet:
I voted him, because he's a very interesning case, he tries to lynch mike while providing minimal ammount of reasoning and trying to dodge the questions. He claims that he's godfather, Damus_Graves is Jaintor and Mike is a consort and he wants to lynch him because "he deserves to be fucked". He may seem as an executioner at first, but i think he's to careless about his actions, with that meta he's trying to lynch himself and not his target - Mike. He's definetly either Mafia, either Neutral Evil, that's what Auckmid said.

^^^
This is average Glip's post. Apart that he wants to lynch mike, he claims that Damus_Graves is his teammate too.
But why he doesn't want to get Damus_Graves lynched? I don't have a theory but his reason why is like reason why he wants to lynch mike:

So i guess, we should be more afraid of Glip. He said a lot of scummy stuff.
Also i still rember that i was like Glip before and i was on edge of being voted, happily it didn't happen.
So, i want your opinions on this topic, feel free to discuss.

First you throw you vote on the train, and THEN you try to justify it, with reasoning inconsistent with any of your other votes so far this game. You had plenty of valid reasons to put your vote on me:

"He's intentionally trying to distract the town"
"He's chain voting to make an appearance of pressure"
"He literally claims Godfather and fingers Mike, lynching him will give plenty of information based on the voters and reasoning given, regardless if he flips Jester/Exe what have you"
"He's shown an unwillingness to cooperate with town and is sticking to a ridiculous claim"

Instead, what you went with was a paraphrase of Auckmid's analysis that shows you haven't even read all of my posts (I did claim why I was voting Mike other than just "fuck Mike"

This 'analysis' is a paraphrased version of Auckmid's post (He's acting against his meta and is more careless with his actions) with statements of facts thrown in as fluff and your conclusion being "he said a lot of scummy stuff". I like that you're trying to bring the floor back to discussion on me, but I'd like a stronger contribution from yourself.

y'all ignore this post? yes the post he replied to was trolly, but its a rescinded claim nevertheless.

-vote glip

i'm ok w lynching u today tbh have an L2

Strong sheep vote. Honestly I'm okay with lynching me today too. It frees me of my commitment to this game and my Godfather flip will throw shade Mike's way. It would be cool if anyone could bother to put some real analysis on this train though instead of just sheeping Unknown/Auckmid.

I know Damus and Mike are my scummates so most of this train must be Town, but this is a really weak showing from y'all regardless. Very little to get reads from with mostly sheep votes in such a small timeframe.

You can't keep whining about "being ignored" when you're at L-2
@Glip

So, got anything else to say besides fuck mike?

Honestly I think I still can whine about being ignored. So far only Unknown and Auckmid have provided real reasoning for their votes. Arsonist, Naz, and Light_Yagami provided total combined notes to the tune of "I feel he's scummy/he's said scummy stuff/I'm okay with his lynch" You are providing pressure to push me to be serious, which is great, but I won't be backing down from my claim today. I am the Godfather, Mike is the consort, and I would like to see Mike in the graveyard. I hold grudges against him from previous games for playing me like a fool, for being so god damn infuriating and incompetent in his claims (malicious though they may have been), and I don't believe he will be useful to my scum faction, especially after his meta-revealing back to back "go full retard" plays in my previous 2 games with him.

I've lost too much time from work today to this post, so in effort to be more productive and not let myself get too consumed, I will try to refrain from posting too heavily again until after work today, if I'm still alive then.

[AIVION]

If SCVMurderer really isn't an Amnesiac, what do you think he is? Mafia? NK?

Wanna answer this question @Mike ?

[DJarJar]

@aamirus what made you change your vote?

because he (and you) have been whining about him not getting attention and he's been spamming that rather than posting anything else (except fuck mike). So I figured I would call that bluff and give him his attention and see if he intends to actually post something else now that he's up there.

[Mike]

Back at my desk now so I can start to address some of this: That post was not intended to garner sympathy/pity whatsoever. I was asked to explain why I'm playing differently this game, and I did that as matter-of-factly as I could. Your summary is apt, and I'd debate the statement that I'm putting a significant amount of effort in, but that's semantics AND arbitrary, so that will go nowhere. You're free to scumread me for this as you will, but it's not going to change how I play.

Lastly, I don't think I've tried any sort of trick so far this game. I believe I've been very straightforward with who I am and what I claim. And on that that note:

-vote Mike

I've voted Mike in nearly every post I've made so far this game, but you insist on calling MM out for it, not me. Okay.



First you throw you vote on the train, and THEN you try to justify it, with reasoning inconsistent with any of your other votes so far this game. You had plenty of valid reasons to put your vote on me:

"He's intentionally trying to distract the town"
"He's chain voting to make an appearance of pressure"
"He literally claims Godfather and fingers Mike, lynching him will give plenty of information based on the voters and reasoning given, regardless if he flips Jester/Exe what have you"
"He's shown an unwillingness to cooperate with town and is sticking to a ridiculous claim"

Instead, what you went with was a paraphrase of Auckmid's analysis that shows you haven't even read all of my posts (I did claim why I was voting Mike other than just "fuck Mike"

This 'analysis' is a paraphrased version of Auckmid's post (He's acting against his meta and is more careless with his actions) with statements of facts thrown in as fluff and your conclusion being "he said a lot of scummy stuff". I like that you're trying to bring the floor back to discussion on me, but I'd like a stronger contribution from yourself.


Strong sheep vote. Honestly I'm okay with lynching me today too. It frees me of my commitment to this game and my Godfather flip will throw shade Mike's way. It would be cool if anyone could bother to put some real analysis on this train though instead of just sheeping Unknown/Auckmid.

I know Damus and Mike are my scummates so most of this train must be Town, but this is a really weak showing from y'all regardless. Very little to get reads from with mostly sheep votes in such a small timeframe.



Honestly I think I still can whine about being ignored. So far only Unknown and Auckmid have provided real reasoning for their votes. Arsonist, Naz, and Light_Yagami provided total combined notes to the tune of "I feel he's scummy/he's said scummy stuff/I'm okay with his lynch" You are providing pressure to push me to be serious, which is great, but I won't be backing down from my claim today. I am the Godfather, Mike is the consort, and I would like to see Mike in the graveyard. I hold grudges against him from previous games for playing me like a fool, for being so god damn infuriating and incompetent in his claims (malicious though they may have been), and I don't believe he will be useful to my scum faction, especially after his meta-revealing back to back "go full retard" plays in my previous 2 games with him.

I've lost too much time from work today to this post, so in effort to be more productive and not let myself get too consumed, I will try to refrain from posting too heavily again until after work today, if I'm still alive then.

LOL, I new this was coming lol

[Unknown1234]

because he (and you) have been whining about him not getting attention and he's been spamming that rather than posting anything else (except fuck mike). So I figured I would call that bluff and give him his attention and see if he intends to actually post something else now that he's up there.

So you don’t think that it was weird at all that almost everyone had marked him off as unimportant for the majority of day 1? I think that makes it even worse almost when someone who acts scummy gets no attention from people.

[Light_Yagami]

because he (and you) have been whining about him not getting attention and he's been spamming that rather than posting anything else (except fuck mike). So I figured I would call that bluff and give him his attention and see if he intends to actually post something else now that he's up there.

The Answer Was No..

Also @Glip I Walked Into Town And Pointed A Finger At You & DM At Game Start.. So Im Under The Impression That Your Telling The Truth That DM Is Scum Buddy Due To DMs Early Day Statements.. However, I Dont Believe Mike Is Your Subordinate.

[Light_Yagami]

But If @Mike Doesnt Vote You That Means You Did Just Throw Ur Whole Team Under The Bus..

[Light_Yagami]

Also, Slow Vote On Glip..

[Unknown1234]

Also, Slow Vote On Glip..

Choo....?

[Mike]

Wanna answer this question @Mike ?

He sheeped Glip at start. He tried to duck and cover at start. He has not provided anything pro-town. in no way will town need him. other than see what His flip has to show us.

Glip is a bad lynch. Glip Wants to win. Glip reminds me of me I like to win any way I can. I understand Glip is annoyed I played him yes. But I do not see a world Glip would Be still holding on to this claim at L2. That would be Throwing if he was. He could easily play it off as a Baiting to see who would sheep him. But he does not Keeps to his story. Makes people want to lynch him. If he is Jester as I suspect. I am going to make him lose his Jester win because it would hurt town. Sorry Glip Don't hate me.

This is a very good jester play. It also stops us from Lynching SCV one person Damus has acted like he wasn't to save in subtle ways. I believe Town will learn a lot more Lynching SCV over Glip.

[Light_Yagami]

Choo....?

I Never Choo... Just Applying Pressure With My Words Where Needed..

[Mike]

But If @Mike Doesnt Vote You That Means You Did Just Throw Ur Whole Team Under The Bus..

I don't want to vote him because I think he is Jester. If he is truly scum and throwing just to get me lynched that make no sense.

[Light_Yagami]

I don't want to vote him because I think he is Jester. If he is truly scum and throwing just to get me lynched that make no sense.

Yeah Maybe Im Willing To Play Roulette.. If He Is Jester..

[Light_Yagami]

Only One Sure Fire Way Ta Find Out..

[Mike]

Glip is at L2 so no one else vote him.

@everyone why is Glip a better vote than SCV Answer me that?

Remember If Glip was my scum buddy I would Buss him day 1 into the hangman role faster than could make your head spin. I would not be fighting it. I am a better scum than that.
Especially if he was throwing and calling me out. Any self respecting scum would vote that up Quick.

[Mike]

Yeah Maybe Im Willing To Play Roulette.. If He Is Jester..

This is not Town Light.

[DJarJar]

So you don’t think that it was weird at all that almost everyone had marked him off as unimportant for the majority of day 1? I think that makes it even worse almost when someone who acts scummy gets no attention from people.

No. If he is mafia then he only has 2 teammates, out of 14 other players. So I don't see your point.

Personally I've mostly ignored him because he hasn't said anything interesting. If he is serious about not caring about the game and just wanting to lynch mike for out of game reasons - then blink should be replacing him from the game. Since he hasn't been replaced, I am assuming that he's not serious. That implies that most of what he's said so far is just trolling then. Hence for me he's just an efekannn02 style null-read that is pointless to lynch.

The only point of my vote was hoping that if he was pressured he might actually want to have a real conversation. He specifically replied just now by saying NO, so I really don't have anything else to say about this slot, at least for D1.

-unvote

[naz]

Why isn't mason a possible role? Solo mason is Big Time Meme, especially for me and blink lol

[Mike]

No. If he is mafia then he only has 2 teammates, out of 14 other players. So I don't see your point.

Personally I've mostly ignored him because he hasn't said anything interesting. If he is serious about not caring about the game and just wanting to lynch mike for out of game reasons - then blink should be replacing him from the game. Since he hasn't been replaced, I am assuming that he's not serious. That implies that most of what he's said so far is just trolling then. Hence for me he's just an efekannn02 style null-read that is pointless to lynch.

The only point of my vote was hoping that if he was pressured he might actually want to have a real conversation. He specifically replied just now by saying NO, so I really don't have anything else to say about this slot, at least for D1.

-unvote

This is why I say he is a good Vig target tonight.

[Light_Yagami]

This is why I say he is a good Vig target tonight.

I Must Have Missed You Saying That

-vote Scvmurderer

[Light_Yagami]

As Ive Said The Only PPL Im Willing To Lynch Are The PPL Voting Mike

[Light_Yagami]

This is not Town Light.

Expand On This Statement..

[Mike]

Expand On This Statement..

You willing to lynch a Jester and possibly kill a key town role??? that is what I ment.

[naz]

Strong sheep vote. Honestly I'm okay with lynching me today too. It frees me of my commitment to this game and my Godfather flip will throw shade Mike's way. It would be cool if anyone could bother to put some real analysis on this train though instead of just sheeping Unknown/Auckmid.

Honestly I think I still can whine about being ignored. So far only Unknown and Auckmid have provided real reasoning for their votes. Arsonist, Naz, and Light_Yagami provided total combined notes to the tune of "I feel he's scummy/he's said scummy stuff/I'm okay with his lynch" You are providing pressure to push me to be serious, which is great, but I won't be backing down from my claim today. I am the Godfather, Mike is the consort, and I would like to see Mike in the graveyard. I hold grudges against him from previous games for playing me like a fool, for being so god damn infuriating and incompetent in his claims (malicious though they may have been), and I don't believe he will be useful to my scum faction, especially after his meta-revealing back to back "go full retard" plays in my previous 2 games with him.

that should be a part of the rules on this website and ur just a shit tier player, don't sign up for games if you don't want to commit to playing. sub out instead. fuck off really.

seriously this is a garbage play, if ur trolling or not. i expected better from someone w/your experience no wonder why this site was about to die

just replace out of the fucking game if u don't know how to play dude
its that simple

[Light_Yagami]

You willing to lynch a Jester and possibly kill a key town role??? that is what I ment.

I Was Aiming On A Mafia Getting Killed.. But Im Under The Impression Only Town Is On Him

[naz]

i just PMed blink and asked him for a replace on glip's slot

-vote unvote

[Mike]

that should be a part of the rules on this website and ur just a shit tier player, don't sign up for games if you don't want to commit to playing. sub out instead. fuck off really.

seriously this is a garbage play, if ur trolling or not. i expected better from someone w/your experience no wonder why this site was about to die

just replace out of the fucking game if u don't know how to play dude
its that simple

Naz I don't think he is meaning it I think he is trying to get lynched. If he has the Jester role what makes it fun is you can say what ever you want it is a Free TROLL CaRD.

[Unknown1234]

No. If he is mafia then he only has 2 teammates, out of 14 other players. So I don't see your point.

Personally I've mostly ignored him because he hasn't said anything interesting. If he is serious about not caring about the game and just wanting to lynch mike for out of game reasons - then blink should be replacing him from the game. Since he hasn't been replaced, I am assuming that he's not serious. That implies that most of what he's said so far is just trolling then. Hence for me he's just an efekannn02 style null-read that is pointless to lynch.

The only point of my vote was hoping that if he was pressured he might actually want to have a real conversation. He specifically replied just now by saying NO, so I really don't have anything else to say about this slot, at least for D1.

-unvote

The only thing I would say is that if Glip isn’t mafia, then there are 3 mafias outside from him. If he wasn’t mafia, then I don’t see why they wouldn’t contemplate the idea of lying him. That’s why I found it very odd that I was the only one willing to lynch him other than Auckmid.

That being said, if either what Mike or Naz says happens, I am content with the same outcome.

-unvote

[naz]

also @Mike , i'm sorry but i might not be able to give you that reads list...i just looked at the list of players and i don't like where my reads are, and it's mostly due to a lot of low activity from some slots (auckmid, scv, luna, gyrlander) and the fact that i can't read those slots because of that.
but this is essentially the mod just drawn out so no one really has reads d1, in this setup its really gonna come out to how tomorrow (and the following days) unfolds with who claims what they did, flips, etc.

[Mike]

i just PMed blink and asked him for a replace on glip's slot

-vote unvote

Naz

1 he is Jester trying to get lyched

2 he is Mafia trying to Get a Confirmed Jester lock and free pass. If fails he has a big target on my back.
I assure you 100% I am not scum. He is not throwing. He is claiming I am mafia Escort. Trust me I am not. This proves he is making a play.
Please don't be mad at him for this play.

[naz]

Naz I don't think he is meaning it I think he is trying to get lynched. If he has the Jester role what makes it fun is you can say what ever you want it is a Free TROLL CaRD.

ok well we're 4 hours away from EoD and he spent the entire day 1 repeating the same garbage.
sure, scum may not kill him in case they wanna push a lynch on him later ("oh hey guys he claimed mafia remember!") but when he straight up says he doesn't want to play anymore, that is a different story.

[naz]

That being said, if either what Mike or Naz says happens, I am content with the same outcome.

can u explain this to me, i'm not following atm

[Unknown1234]

can u explain this to me, i'm not following atm

If there happens to be a Vig in the setup that can shoot him, or if the slot gets replaced out then it removes the risk of lynching a jester, and removes a role that is anti-town.

[Mike]

If there happens to be a Vig in the setup that can shoot him, or if the slot gets replaced out then it removes the risk of lynching a jester, and removes a role that is anti-town.

I hope this happens. I am in no way claiming this will happen. But I do not see mafia hitting him.