S-FM The Cold War III

[Marshmallow Marshall]

To support Mag's claim, I often claim BD on the mod when godfather. I cannot confirm myself as such or anything close to that but it still works when you only need a night or two to win. Which is the case here.

True, I do that sometimes too :P

Magoroth just quoted one of your posts saying we'd get in a 4v4 on D3 with a Mafia lynch on D2 and no lynch today. Meaning we kinda have to lynch today and tomorrow, and land on a mafia???


Also, I'm starting to get a town vibe from Fielzanks now.

We should start thinking about who's the neutral too.

[TheGodDavid]

To... gain trust ? In the mod, when you're scum, do you claim your real role? I don't think so o.O plus I didn't say he was obviously scum, but I didn't mention something else too: Sleeper agent BECOMES A MAFIOSO if he gets attacked. He's a land mine once revealed. Tell me why we should keep that role, please.

Just saying: I have no intent of being rude at you, I just want to know your thoughts more. @TheGodDavid

I'll tell you my thoughts more when I come back, I am going to the dentist to remove a wisdom tooth.

[Fielzanks]

Jeez I didn't realise that.

It isn't that dire actually. SK can target mafia, mafia could target SK, Lenin could save one of us, etc. But the probability of it occurring is high. That's why claiming Sleeper Agent is a grave mistake : if JFK used his HEAT night 1, then Truman would HEAT night 2, rb SK + all of Town and get a kill + rumox without us knowing it. We would think 'Mafia found SK!' when we see only one kill, when in fact SK was roleblocked by Truman's HEAT and rumox got converted.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Jeez.... is this really the great and almighty FM? Basically 3 guys insulting each other repeatedly as “scum reads” and telling us their super obvious takes on the basic rules of the game?

Again, sorry if I’m missing some great and incredible part of this game here, but if you must know my “reads”, then MM is clearly evil not just because he fake claimed a role not even in the game (and I don’t give a shit about those nonsensical reasons you gave for it, they’re all supporting an evil point of view), but because after blink called him out for it he whined and bitched at blink for being a big meanie who always picks on him in exactly the way a caught evil would.

And, no , it doesn’t even make sense for an important town role to claim the neut to avoid getting hit n1 because it would be obvious he was lying after that night and force him to out himself the next day.

Not to mention, MM then claimed cit, and there is certainly no reason for a real cit to try to draw the mafia away from shooting him. Cits WANT to get hit to protect their powers.


Is this me being “opportunistic”? No its just a caught evil.

Learn, Jar Jar, that EVERYTHING has a "scum meaning". So if you're just going to tunnel me because I tried to out the Survivor (I THOUGHT HE WAS IN THE GAME ), then go with it, but give your reads on other people and consider other possibilities. Also that's true about blink, feel free to check the FM archive if you want...

I said I did not want to get shots away from me you're being opportuistic on that.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I agree with aamirus here on rumox and MM, I think we should actually Lynch d1 because we certainly won't be winning by skipping days.

^^ true. But don't lynch me XD

[Ganelon]

^^ true. But don't lynch me XD

Don't worry, your lynch's not happening today. I'm more than willing to Lynch someone else at this point.

[Unknown1234]

TheGodDavid (1 [L-6]):
Magoroth
rumox (1 [L-6]):
Marshmallow Marshall
aamirus (2 [L-5]):
Fielzanks, Lenneth
Marshmallow Marshall (3 [L-4]):
blinkskater, rumox, aamirus
Unknown1234 (1 [L-6]):
naz
Fielzanks (1 [L-6]):
Unknown1234

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I agree with this!

-vote naz

WHAT DID NAZ DO?!

Like seriously. What is the reason of the scumread.

[Ganelon]

TheGodDavid (1 [L-6]):
Magoroth
rumox (1 [L-6]):
Marshmallow Marshall
aamirus (2 [L-5]):
Fielzanks, Lenneth
Marshmallow Marshall (3 [L-4]):
blinkskater, rumox, aamirus
Unknown1234 (1 [L-6]):
naz
Fielzanks (1 [L-6]):
Unknown1234

I actually don't really trust Fielzanks all that much

-vote Fielzanks

[Marshmallow Marshall]

As do I :P

I say we vote up everyone

Then we have the same plan :P

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I actually don't really trust Fielzanks all that much

-vote Fielzanks

Why?

[Unknown1234]

Why does it feel like you’re copying me?

[Fielzanks]

I actually don't really trust Fielzanks all that much

-vote Fielzanks

Explain yourself.

[Ganelon]

Why does it feel like you’re copying me?

Because I am. I honestly don't know what else to do because my real target is aamirus, yet she's not here soooo, I have to do something. And I'm not awfully good at FM, I'm great at the mod but I suck at FM, so I'm following your lead because you I think you're town.

[Ganelon]

@Voss !!!!!!!!!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Well I read everthing and the first few pages was shitty af, thanks for all the fake roleclaim Magoroth and MM xD

I was not gonna think seriously about the shitclaims but you guys are focused on it pretty hard.
There is always a purpose of MM claiming something D1, and he always do it...as scum or town.
That's why I will tend to believe his castro claim had a purpose.
People who are obvious scums D1 are never scums (in my experiences).



He is not in the game but what's the problem with castro?



Judge about being sleepy at 12am? I was already sleeping

Yes, there was a purpose that I'm killing myself at explaining because everyone is scumreading me to the point of tunneling for that claim. @Lenneth I claimed Castro (Survivor with ability to stop all votes on a day and confirm himself as himself, and who gives a vest or gun to someone every night) to make the real one CC (counterclaim) me to out him. A survivor must not be left unknown, else he can screw town hard. The "Fidel castro is not in the game" thing wasn't in opening post at first, Distortd added it so I didn't know XD ooooopsies

[Fielzanks]

Damn without Distorted to sheep mag is lost!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Wait who is this person

-vote powerofdeath

Someone who's gonna get replaced.... @powerofdeath really? THE LEGENDARY POD IS AN AFKER?! >=O

[Unknown1234]

Because I am. I honestly don't know what else to do because my real target is aamirus, yet she's not here soooo, I have to do something. And I'm not awfully good at FM, I'm great at the mod but I suck at FM, so I'm following your lead because you I think you're town.

My plan right now isn’t to get a lynch off, because it’s far too early right now, so I am pressuring different people to get information out of them. I suggest poking into people that are currently active, and come back to aamirus when he is able to discuss with you.

Don’t have time for long posts, currently finishing up classes soon so I’ll be more available then.

[Ganelon]

My perspective is that there's some Fielzanks - naz interaction (they are admittedly friends, outside of the game) that I dislike, even before you started arguing with naz.

I'm not sure I trust Fielzanks due to this, and a really small part of me's saying that one of the two inactive is the last Mafia, because Lenneth, David and Fielzanks are kind of playing the same way.

About David - I don't think it's David because David is scum reading atm, and he's one of the few to be doing so lol - I don't think first time scum would be that adventurous with their reads.

[Ganelon]

Lenneth I believe to be legitimately busy

[Ganelon]

That leaves MM and Fiel, so...

-vote Fielzanks

[Unknown1234]

My perspective is that there's some Fielzanks - naz interaction (they are admittedly friends, outside of the game) that I dislike, even before you started arguing with naz.

I'm not sure I trust Fielzanks due to this, and a really small part of me's saying that one of the two inactive is the last Mafia, because Lenneth, David and Fielzanks are kind of playing the same way.

About David - I don't think it's David because David is scum reading atm, and he's one of the few to be doing so lol - I don't think first time scum would be that adventurous with their reads.

So you think an inactive player is filling the afk slot, which would mean 2/10 active people are scum. Which two would you pair as scum, and who would you pair individually? Your thoughts seem slightly inconsistent with the reads list you just posted.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

It's strategy time!

Welcome in today's communist news feed! Breaking news, some capitalist scums invaded our country to make it fall!
And you know why the communist flag is red? BECAUSE WE TAINT IT WITH CAPITALIST BLOOD!

Spoiler : Don't click it. Seriously. :

CAPITALIST SCUM TEAM

Really classical mafia team : A godfather, a consigliere and a consort. Heat actions do not seem overpowered at all (they'll basically use it to kill a revealed Trostky or Putin, which is the way to go.) They're tailored to fight Castro but in this game he's not present so they are a bit on the weaker side I'd say? Since the role that gets sent out cannot do his night action, the mafia has several ways to play this one in my eyes :
1. Utilize JFK HEAT right away to have 2 kills night two. Seems like the strongest plan, but it also means that either consig or godfather will have to attack. If the consig have to attack, he will not be able to gather info, and if the godfather attack he will not be able to HEAT to recruit rumox. The strongest plan here would then be JFK HEAT, Truman HEAT, Nixon kill. This leave the mafia team without consig info but also allows a sure kill on rumox without it being revealed, while also having the possibility to have 2 kills the night after, but without the HEAT roleblock from Truman.
2. Utilize JFK HEAT right away to gain two kills night two, but also send the consigliere to gather info to make a better decision on night two. It will then send the godfather to kill, and they would use their HEAT the second night to allow for 2 unblockable kills for their faction. In this situation, rumox won't be converted at day 2.
3. Don't utilize JFK HEAT right away and send him to kill. This is what I expect a bad mafia team would do, as it leaves the godfather doing nothing (or HEAT?) without having 2 kills the night after.

With JFK HEAT and a bit of luck for the mafia, the town is at LyLo at day 3 (2 town death n1, 3 town death n2 making it 3mafia vs 3 town vs 1 sk). I'm not even sure it's considered LyLo as it's extremely brutal.

I've pointed out that the mafia would hit rumox with a HEAT action to assure the convert to them, but they would obviously prefer killing Trostky or Lenin, or a Goulag Officier (which we don't know if we have): because getting rid of these roles asap is better than to make town lose a lynch on him. But if myself was from the mafia, I would advocate doing plan #2 because I don't think Rumox claim is legit. If it is, it's all in the interest of mafia to learn of the truth and not waste a lynch on a citizen.
We're at day 1, so group agenda for the mafia isn't already established, but I can clearly see individual agenda to find TPR in sneaky ways being done the first day. As we're going to put pressure to find evils, they would utilize this pressure to gain info by day.
It is also worth noting out that consort will NOT claim escort due to the low possibility of that occurring and risks of being counterclaimed. We should lynch every escort claim by day 3. Instead, I think the consort would claim roleblocked on himself to be put by people as town; or at least not-scum. < Look into that people.

But if I read the setup correctly, we are not defenseless against their line of play : Trotsky can use his role to see every mafia action. I assume this is not seeing the targets too because that would be grossly overpowered, but it will allow town to know what was going on by night 1. I suggest against Trotsky to claim what he has seen however, as he would eat a HEAT bullet the night after. And we surely need this powerful role.

THE PROLETARIAT TOWN TEAM

Our defined roles are extremely powerful, be it Trotsky or Lenin. They would definitely hide behind a citizen claim or avoid claiming altogether to avoid being outed. As such, we should take caution about using the FoS on everyone as, at some point we will out one of them. And we don't want to do that by day 1.
Trotsky would surely use his night action to see mafia's ones to know when the HEAT has been used, and NOT use the gun carelessly as if he shoot even 1 town, it's lost for everyone.
Lenin would use his heat the second day, after gathering a list of good reads, because passing down his healing power to town is IMPORTANT for us if we want to be able to withstand 2 attacks per night. However, I would understand him using his heat the first day, as if he dies N1 his power would be wasted either way. But this is also very dangerous as I believe Lenin night chat is NOT anonymous so if Lenin choose a mafia right away he'll be able to tell his team and we would lose our doc first night, a thing we should avoid at all costs. I don't think the other TPR roles are relevant because proper use of these 2 will make the game for town without anyone else doing much but scumhunting. The strategy for town would be really role-based; and not worth to out every potential thinking here as it would hurt some komrad in an impactful way. Standard FM playing will be sufficient to win easily.
Talking about scumhunting, SCUMHUNTING WILL BE ESSENTIAL FOR TOWN TO NOT LOSE : We're going at mylo day 3 without us doing anything wrong (let's say skipping day 1 and lynching JFK day 2). So every town not scumhunting will fall into the scumdetector and be questioned, tortured and whipped. Passive playing as town, even if you're Trotsky is discouraged because it'll just make us loose.


MY CURRENT VIEW ON THE STATE OF THE GAME

We're good, nobody has died yet, Distorted is not here so he will not be the #1 voted for the majority of the first day and his alt seems extremely towny. The game progress in a way I'm happy with, and the FoS is being dropped around without heavy tunneling. Some actions were scummy, some players were scummy, but that's basically what mid-day 1 reads stops.

Magoroth and Blinkskater are scumhunting and does so while exchanging ideas and opinions, which is a sign of good town players early in the game. They fall into the town read category.
Unknown feels towny too, easy going and helpful but not doing much except being pleasant to be with. Potential scum hiding here tho.
Interaction between MM and me feels intriguing (he's basically assuring a lynch on me if he flips maf because of our interactions) and his going out on a newb is hazardous at best but I don't feel like he's important this game. Not talking about meta, he seems a little bit too much on the spotlight and defended himself very hard, while I feel he would be dismissive if he was real scum as to not escalate this further. He's a null read with a huge potential town lean for me.
naz is a null read at the moment, but she seems to agree on my view of rumox, interactions will reveal a lot on this spot.
aamirus spot, slight scummy read because he seems to claim he's found a caught mafia in MM; which feels like a forced mislynch at this point.>
rumox feels scummy to be by a good margin, not only because he claimed sleeper agent (a powerful role I said multiple time SHOULD REMAIN HIDDEN) that can turn on us, but because his interactions feels like he's trying to sway town opinion to his own, which is not helpful at this state of the game. Also he tried to turn a vote brigade against MM to avoid his own?

I warned you.

Wow! +++++++TOWNPOINTS FOR YOU

I agree on the capitalists part, and think #1 is the most propable situation. Also agree on the town part, and I want to bold the part about scum hunting even harder. IT IS WHY WE MUST BE IN THE MINDSET OF LYNCHING TODAY. NO LYNCH MINDSET = NO SCUMHUNTING MINDSET.

@Fielzanks Only question: What's your read on David and Lenneth? Btw you just jumped to top town lol this is so towny and so much your town meta.

[Ganelon]

So you think an inactive player is filling the afk slot, which would mean 2/10 active people are scum. Which two would you pair as scum, and who would you pair individually? Your thoughts seem slightly inconsistent with the reads list you just posted.

I would think that any combination of MM/naz or Fiel/naz are the most likely at the moment, and I would think that aamirus is a neutral, IF MM is Mafia. Otherwise, I would say that aamirus is mafia with naz

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I'm seeing a potential MM/naz scum team... lol if that were the case I predict naz would ask to be replaced virtually instantly

rude

[Fielzanks]

That leaves MM and Fiel, so...

-vote Fielzanks

You're putting me in an 'inactive' slot?

[Ganelon]

You're putting me in an 'inactive' slot?

No, I'm putting you in the 'must pressure now' slot.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

So if truman doesn't do his Heat action, he will probably do the factionnal kill.
It's interesting to notice the neutrals are not rb by his heat action.



So it's a consiglière and a dude who can rb all killing role excluding themself?



If I were JFK, I would probably do the heat action N1, sound better that rbing a random dude.



I don't know what mean NKVD xD.
Look powerfull af, I think N1, he will kill someone or do the Heat action 1.
depending of if he prefer to learn information (heat action1) or kill someone.
heat action 2 look probably better later in the game?

Conclusion :
Naz is right, Rumox is probably dead tonight, that's why I would prefer him to be a shitizen xD. That depend if scums believe his claim or not. I don't think SK will kill rumox because he has a good chance to be protected by someone or dead by mafia.
We can have two dead town tonight, one if SK prefer to get information, 1 scum dead if SK kill a scum.

NKVD = New KGB, don't ask me the russian full name...

We already have Fielzanks' strategy post, which covers much of that. Now we must scumhunt. What are your reads? @Lenneth

[rumox]

Does my pocket need help pressuring with a vote?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

For the people that STILL find rumox scummy based on his role claim, there are many good reasons why this claim is as effective, or even more effective than citizen claims.

1.) If hes citizen, he’s claiming a TPR to gain attention.

2.) If hes sleeper agent, he’s playing too dumb to actually be a sleeper agent, right? (Possibly, who knows).

3.) If hes TPR, he makes himself less of a target by, ironically, making himself a target.

So let’s pretend rumox is scum for a second,

4.) He claims sleeper agent because.... (Because what? There’s no good reason to do it because it puts himself in the worst position of either having to confirm himself, or the town having extreme doubt on him the entire game. So no, this claim is not scummy and in any case it’s actually better than a citizen claim, because it showed he was able to take more risk of claiming a PR role than the citizens, which is more common for scum to claim than town themselves (MM specifically, but also blinkskater (seems more Town than scum though), and David, who I can’t give much of an answer on as of yet).

I’m not saying I think claimin citizen makes you scum, I think it depends how it’s done. The desperate way MM did it seems scummy, where as blinkskater did it so randomly that it doesn’t make sense as a scum play (perhaps more null than town regardless).

Meanwhile, naz notices suspicion building on her and had commented on her vote, but it feels so unjustified. Atleast Fielzanks gave some explanation to it, whether it makes sense. MM also commented on people suspecting them, but the answers were vague and seems more like a scum player trying to wait for attention to get off them to start back up. Not convinced on either of these two.

Please read this, as it honestly makes so much sense that rumox is Town. If you are going to disagree and still scum-read rumox, explain why this logic makes no sense.

Simply because all the town scenarios are a good enough reason to claim it as scum.

[Fielzanks]

Wow! +++++++TOWNPOINTS FOR YOU

I agree on the capitalists part, and think #1 is the most propable situation. Also agree on the town part, and I want to bold the part about scum hunting even harder. IT IS WHY WE MUST BE IN THE MINDSET OF LYNCHING TODAY. NO LYNCH MINDSET = NO SCUMHUNTING MINDSET.

@Fielzanks Only question: What's your read on David and Lenneth? Btw you just jumped to top town lol this is so towny and so much your town meta.

David and Lenneth weren't posting much at the time of this post so I didn't include them.
Lenneth is neutral to me, he hasn't done anything suspicious but nothing towny too. He has taken position against amyrius so there's that which can be alignement revealing but I initially dismissed as simple buddying with you.
David is leaning towards scummy to me, because he's really shy about posting, making sure he's not putting himself in the spotlight but that could be because he's afraid to bork his first time.

[Unknown1234]

Need more input from @blinkskater right now. I’m currently town reading him, but he has been ignored heavily and seems fairly focused on MM.

In the meantime, I’m moving my vote to MM because he’s one of the few scum-reads that appear to be around.

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Because if he is scum it would be a good play to be all Oh yeah Doc On Me, and maybe Lenin doesn't actually heal him and he gets "converted" and he baits out the Lenin in some way with this/wastes night action for Lenin (somehow, thankfully mafia have no roles where they can see who visits whom) - it's just a really bad claim with little to no strategy provided from him at all. one thing we were discussing earlier was to role claim or not, and those of us discussing have been agreeing to not role claim.

lol ok, please come at me bro, i have nothing to hide. if you're expecting me to give "explanation" for my votes, you're barking up the wrong tree , as i play with emotion over logic, at least right now on day fucking 1 with no TPR action so far. i'm basing off my gut, as i know several of these players personally, and have played a few rounds of FM with them.

i don't know if rumox is town or scum, but you're buddying him real hard for the first 24hrs, so if he does flip scum, you're in some hot shit

These are my thoughts.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

There is a chance aamirus is Serial Killer

Him and David are my SK reads.

[Unknown1234]

Mm, do you have a current c vote list that I could see? It would help me fill in where your positions lie, because I haven’t seen reads from half the people in the game from you.

[Fielzanks]

No, I'm putting you in the 'must pressure now' slot.

Oh, right! I wanted to be in that spot actually, it was making me scared that nobody was noticing me even though I took heavy positions.

If there's a link between naz and me this game, it would be me buddying naz since she hasn't interacted much my way (except in a town way but that was short). However I firmly belive that I read her spot correctly and since I'm someone who defends his ideas, I cannot let my fellow town players lynch someone I think is vital to town.

Adding it now for the people who want to pressure me, I also claimed TPR shortly after MM citizen claim.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

But outing a potential Mafia D1 as SK is poor play

no it's not: the SK's main threat is Mafia because Mafia > Town in this setup.

[Ganelon]

Oh, right! I wanted to be in that spot actually, it was making me scared that nobody was noticing me even though I took heavy positions.

If there's a link between naz and me this game, it would be me buddying naz since she hasn't interacted much my way (except in a town way but that was short). However I firmly belive that I read her spot correctly and since I'm someone who defends his ideas, I cannot let my fellow town players lynch someone I think is vital to town.

Adding it now for the people who want to pressure me, I also claimed TPR shortly after MM citizen claim.

Ya that would kind of sum my thoughts.

[Ganelon]

no it's not: the SK's main threat is Mafia because Mafia > Town in this setup.

Ya that's true, in fact.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why are you ignoring Marshmallow?

Because she's scum with me

[Unknown1234]

These are my thoughts.

Mod term incoming, but why would a Consigliere/Consort/Godfather claim a detective/lookout role. Outside of the mafia, there are only 4 citizens, 4 power roles and 1 neutral role. This would make the typical “n1-1-Visited Nobody” very difficult as there are less than half of the role she that could potentially visit people. To add on, rumox is also a mod player (he’s a keeper so I think so?) so I would not see this type of play coming from a scum role because there’s a lot of risk involved.

[Fielzanks]

Ya that would kind of sum my thoughts.

But if it's me buddying naz, then naz + me being scum would be stupid because our interaction would out the other. So either I am scum and she's not; she is and I read her slot wrong or we're both town. I doubt it can be seen as a Naz+Fielz team due to how adamant I am in my position.

I didn't interact with Blink, Lenneth, Armadius and to a lesser extent you, which could be alignment indicative. But I feel the Naz+MM+Fielz link is too easy and visible.

[Ganelon]

But if it's me buddying naz, then naz + me being scum would be stupid because our interaction would out the other. So either I am scum and she's not; she is and I read her slot wrong or we're both town. I doubt it can be seen as a Naz+Fielz team due to how adamant I am in my position.

I didn't interact with Blink, Lenneth, Armadius and to a lesser extent you, which could be alignment indicative. But I feel the Naz+MM+Fielz link is too easy and visible.

You've convinced me for now. Ok off you go townish neutral

[rumox]

But if it's me buddying naz, then naz + me being scum would be stupid because our interaction would out the other. So either I am scum and she's not; she is and I read her slot wrong or we're both town. I doubt it can be seen as a Naz+Fielz team due to how adamant I am in my position.

I didn't interact with Blink, Lenneth, Armadius and to a lesser extent you, which could be alignment indicative. But I feel the Naz+MM+Fielz link is too easy and visible.

This is precisely why I said I would laugh if you, naz and MM were the scum team. It's absurd. I do believe there is a scum in Fielzanks/Naz, not both of them. Again I'd fucking laugh if it's true.

[Ganelon]

-vote aamirus

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I call that all potato rations for MM, Naz and Fielzanks be cut off. If you see them with a potato in their poession I want you to take your hammer in one hand, your sickle in the other and relieve them of it.

-vote Aamirus

Pressure, he's too comfortable atm

[Fielzanks]

You've convinced me for now. Ok off you go townish neutral

I like MM more, he gives town blocks

[Ganelon]

I like MM more, he gives town blocks

Ya I'm actually worried naz might be trying to take MM down with her.

[naz]

Oh, right! I wanted to be in that spot actually, it was making me scared that nobody was noticing me even though I took heavy positions.

If there's a link between naz and me this game, it would be me buddying naz since she hasn't interacted much my way (except in a town way but that was short). However I firmly belive that I read her spot correctly and since I'm someone who defends his ideas, I cannot let my fellow town players lynch someone I think is vital to town.

Adding it now for the people who want to pressure me, I also claimed TPR shortly after MM citizen claim.

Uhhh whet can someone find this post for me?