S-FM 197: Sandbox

[Mesk514]

is there time for me to do anything.....

[Mesk514]

I guess not RIP.

[Titus]

WHAT?

Reread at night. Unknown's desperate defense is terribad. His wanting to cut the day short is terrible too.

[G4slight]

[Vote Kovath]

Just skimmed and caught up, was out at dinner, I have some paper work to finish then I can reread it verbatim.

[G4slight]

-vote Kovath

Sorry still learning formatting

[Gyrlander]

[Vote Kovath]

Just skimmed and caught up, was out at dinner, I have some paper work to finish then I can reread it verbatim.

*throws nuke towards his House*

[Kovath]

Where's PoD, I just want the night to begin so I can get in a deadchat...

zzz

[Gyrlander]

Where's PoD, I just want the night to begin so I can get in a deadchat...

zzz

To talk with no one? Cute.

[Unknown1234]

G4 stop voting, it's already done

[Kovath]

To talk with no one? Cute.

Dead man walking here.

The silence of the dead might be more comforting than the clamor of the living.

[Titus]

P.S. Ika might be lynch predictor guy.

[Titus]

Dead man walking here.

The silence of the dead might be more comforting than the clamor of the living.

Full reads list if you're town. Might as well until PoD shows up.

[Kovath]

Full reads list if you're town. Might as well until PoD shows up.

The day is over. I'm making small chat because it doesn't have an influence on the game...

[Firebringer]

So we are almost at days end and we can't get a simple majoirty?
Thats lame.

[Unknown1234]

So we are almost at days end and we can't get a simple majoirty?
Thats lame.

Fire? The game ended...

[Unknown1234]

Fire? The game ended...

Day***

[powerofdeath]

Kovath (4 [L-8]):
Quick, Titus, Firebringer, Mesk514
Titus (1 [L-11]):
ika
Quick (2 [L-10]):
Gyrlander, Unknown1234
Funce (1 [L-11]):
AIVION
Talboturbo (1 [L-11]):
G4slight
No Lynch (3 [L-9]):
Kovath, Funce, TalboTurbo

Kovath was lynched.

[powerofdeath]

Kovath's role was Jester.

Kovath's Last will:

Sorry Quick, you were wrong for all the right reasons.

Mesk514 killed herself in grief of the Jester's lynch.

Mesk514's role was Vigilante.

We couldn't find any last will in her home.

Night ends in 24 hours.

Night chat will be open in a few minutes.

[powerofdeath]

G4Slight died last night. He was Blackmailer.

AIVION died last night. He was Naive Sheriff.

We couldnt find any last wills.

Ika is blackmailed.

Day 2 ends in 48 hours.

5 votes to hammer.

[Titus]

-vote Unknown1234

[Firebringer]

Ika is blackmailed.

Hold on, since when does host confirm blackmails?

[Gyrlander]

Em... hello? Well, I guess now we know who wqs the bmer lol. I guess a neutral took him down

[Unknown1234]

If it isn't obvious already, Titus should be dead without a question. If you don't believe me, tell me a few reasons as to why Titus has been helpful.

EVEN THOUGH KOVATH WAS JESTER, his lynch should be treated like a town lynch because in that sense it was. My opinions are against Titus,Quick, and G4 honestly but I will look into it. There should be enough townsfolk to solve this and we should be fine

[Unknown1234]

Edit: I just realized that G4 and AIVION died,

-vote Titus

[Unknown1234]

Ika is blackmailed, and Ika wanted Titus dead. Wow, shocker.

[Unknown1234]

Hold on, since when does host confirm blackmails?

its right beside the blackmailer role card. The fact you didn't realize this makes me believe that You and Titus are scum together.

It makes sense this way, there is no trial so people cannot say "I am blackmailed" on trial because there is no trial

[Gyrlander]

Quick can start explaining us why was he so crazy about lynching Kovath.

[Unknown1234]

Quick can start explaining us why was he so crazy about lynching Kovath.

Please remember the jester lynch should be treated as a Town lynch

[Gyrlander]

Please remember the jester lynch should be treated as a Town lynch

Incorrect.

[Unknown1234]

Incorrect.

And why do you look at it that way?

[Gyrlander]

Kovath wqs ajester. He didn't try hard to survive. He knew he had to get lynched and he did not play to survive. That way, there are players who could have been fooled.

[Unknown1234]

Kovath wqs ajester. He didn't try hard to survive. He knew he had to get lynched and he did not play to survive. That way, there are players who could have been fooled.

I can't really agree that he was acting Scummy, but I do understand what your getting at.

What I was mostly looking at was how eager they were to kill Kovath (and frankly I don't see why they even wanted to, they has no information)

If anyone thinks Titus is town they should really look at what he has said.

[Unknown1234]

I can't really agree that he was acting Scummy, but I do understand what your getting at.

What I was mostly looking at was how eager they were to kill Kovath (and frankly I don't see why they even wanted to, they has no information)

If anyone thinks Titus is town they should really look at what he has said.

To add on, they had no information to back it up so it's annoying to see that it did kill a town in the end.

Ika has one vote if I'm not mistaken, and one unvote. Should take that hugely into consideration when placing that one vote

[Unknown1234]

Right now I currently feel Fire and Titus. Fire was not at all contributing yesterday, as well as silently putting a Kovath vote only to return towards the end of the day.

[Titus]

Hey you do realize that if we treat Kovath as a town lynch, you basically scumclaimed with your play throughout yesterday?

There was no serious counter to Kovath until the last 10 minutes or so. Scum didn't try. Why? The deadline scramble is a win win for them. Either, a) Kovath flips not scum and they doubtcast the wagon or b) a counter gets flipped, it turns town and Kovath gets lynched today.

[Unknown1234]

Hey you do realize that if we treat Kovath as a town lynch, you basically scumclaimed with your play throughout yesterday?

There was no serious counter to Kovath until the last 10 minutes or so. Scum didn't try. Why? The deadline scramble is a win win for them. Either, a) Kovath flips not scum and they doubtcast the wagon or b) a counter gets flipped, it turns town and Kovath gets lynched today.

Your logic is really shaming. I would be surprised if you didn't get voted today. If Kovath was town, the Mafia wouldn't have changed how they played it. G4 voted right after day's end, meaning that clearly he Had some good reason wanting Kovath dead. Wanna know why? Because his teammate was really close to dying.

[Unknown1234]

Decided to look what and see what G4 has said throughout day 1:

I really don't like this post, you got early town cred, since you seemed to be playing with an obviously pro town agenda. That being said I don't think continually touting you are "confirmed" town is in anyway true or beneficial atm.

Starting to feel like Quick isn't scum. I doubt this is a tunneling effort, there is no effort whatsoever.

So without all my null to scum, scum lean, scum, null to town, town lean, town reading's I'm just going to make another more black and white list as to people who are either town/Null/Scum

TOWN

Mesk
Quick

Null

Firebringer
Grylander
Unknown
Avion
Talbo

SCUM

Kovath
Titus
Fence
Ika

I really don't like this list. It makes me feel like he put Mesk and Quick at the top for town cred, and put people like Firebringer in the middle (possibly teammates). He is not around to defend himself against his words, but i don't see a good world where Firebringer and Ika are not in the same pool without justification.

First of all, if you'd continue to read about my point towards you, is I find that you have stepped up your posting and you were on my null to town read. Which isn't as strong as a town lean, but reading your posts have given me enough to feel good about you.

I do find it interesting however that you seem almost full throated in your defense of Talbo, going so far as to link yourself to him, and his play style.

Again I broke down Talbo's post and said what I agreed on, I get more of a townie not wanting to make mistakes vibe from all his nulls, and no scum leans, than I do mafia trying to buddy buddy, but if the behavior continues it can be a detriment to the town either way.

Also no I don't believe everyone but quick is null

Town lean:

Quick

Null to town:

Mesk

Null:

All the inactives
Talbo
Firebringer
Titus

Null to scum:

Kovath
Funce

Mostly because Funce is at the bottom every time, i feel a slight town feeling from Funce. (or Neutral Killing)

Why was Titus inactive at this time? This is what i don't like.

I like this post and here is why

1. agree with reading on Quick, (However this was made after a consensus of active players said they have a townie read on him.
2. Kovath read is in line with my own, however I am leaning scum on him
3. Mesk, to me is null to town, so a null reading on her is fine, I can see why you'd have it, but would like a more substantive reason as to why it's null, since she has posted enough to analyze somewhat.
4. Firebringer is null to me also, but he seems fun to have in a game
5. Agreed on Funce, he needs to come back in with actual game play posts or he is a waste of space
6-the rest. agreed you can't read those who don't post.
7. I like your handling of my joke vote and your explanation as to why you haven't posted. However, when you take time to read and not post, I expect more from your posts than just what you've given atm.

What I don't like about the post

No scum reads, it seems you are playing it safe there. The only people who benefit from playing it safe this early is the scum, since they don't want to raise any suspicion. I'm moving you into my null-to scum category at this time.

Also the "nothing very helpful" thing seems like a cop out.

But all in all there is more to like than dislike so I would like to see more from you.

Strong compliment to Talbo, although it is really sad because i didn't find his post very strong. It also comes to my attention that TalboTurbo may be scum as well. He never really hit G4's scum list, he stayed neutral. (safe place to put someone on your team) So i think i will look into him.

I plan on checking out Titus,Talbo, Firebringer, and Gyrlander in the meantime.

[Unknown1234]

TalboTurbo:

That's good enough for me honestly.

Thanks for clarifying.

-vote Kovath

Wow. What a comment. He says "That's good enough for me honestly" but yet Titus really says NOTHING worth listening to. The whole "Kovath slipped" was definitely NOT one post of him saying "prepare to die at night" or something like that. The connection between these two is starting to get suspicious.

Sorry put the wrong person down.

-vote ika

This bugs me the wrong way. He swaps his vote from Titus because "he put the wrong person down" how can that be seen like a town move at all. The fact is that he wanted to vote Ika, but somehow ended up mistaking Ika and voting Titus instead. Don't like this point, and i feel like it is just a way of avoiding his teammates' death.

If there is anyone I don't like at the moment, it's Unknown1234.

Unknown gives me bad vibes. Whether it's just me or what he's been posting, I don't like him.
In most of his posts are critical about others or disputing for reasons unknown. (haha)
The only thing he's given to me is that he feels like a scum. He's the only person I get that off.
/opinion

Lousy joke, lousy comment. If you don't have a good reason as to why you think im scum, then it is rather pointless. I would really like more analysis from you Talbo.

Well we found the jester people, you can all calm down.

I'm going on a limb to assume that jester is not possible. So to make this comment is really a way of saying "please ignore this person" which is anti-town move here. How do you feel about Funce now that he cannot be Jester (assuming that a NK killed G4)??

Why haven't you changed then? I haven't changed because Titus doesn't have enough evidence against her.

Defends his potential teammate. I don't know what you mean by "why haven't you changed then" if you could explain this it would be appreciated. As for not enough evidence, there was more evidence on Titus then on Kovath. The fact that Kovath was jester really leaves Titus with no reasoning as to why she has not given any useful information.

-unvote

fine. im scared too.

Scared of what? I don't like this point. It makes no sense, and the fact you take your vote off at 1 minute left when in reality it was highly unlikely Kovath would live was very disappointing and looking like a cover up so you don't get looked at for voting.

[Unknown1234]

Firebringer:

Id move Gyrlander to scum lean.

We really need more from AIVION and Ika though.
Really not enough to go off them.

Otherwise I like this reads list.

Interesting to see this. Agrees with Quicks list, which includes Talbo and Titus as some of the top few people. I am not for this. Why do you two think Talbo and Titus are at the top? @Firebringer @Quick

Okay Quick, I trust you for now.

And I want to trust TItus.

-vote Kovath

Lousy vote. He comments on Kovath's vote being the least justified, but i think i can put this vote there too. "I want to trust Titus" why is that? Is it because he is your teammate? I really do not like this sense because what you just said has no importance.

You also don't have a reads list. Can you provide one?

Actually you are being too bad to ignore:

-vote Funce

WTF is my arson play?

Hello scum.

-vote Quick

I should have known.

Back to back votes. (Quick vote was first) why does one need to change there votes right after another. I find this really scummy in many ways, there is no town logic behind this. In my opinion it just feels more like sucking up to certain people.

This is funce trying to actively be the center of attention, but he isn't trying to actively sort or read players. He is creating noise. That is what a Jester does. THey create noise, they annoy players, and try to disrupt people from reading, and they don't hunt for scum so they are more likely to be voted.

He isn't very confident I would say, he is just saying random shit.

I swear Funce is acting like Donald Trump imitation right now lol.

The first line. "This is Funce trying to actively be the center of attention, but he isn't trying to actively sort or read players" This is EXACTLY what Firebringer has been doing all game. I see no reads, simply just agreeing with others and it feels like he is just hiding in the shadows...

Hold on, since when does host confirm blackmails?

This is not really a pro-town question to ask. It's in the setup with the blackmailer role card, so it makes me wonder why you would need to ask this. It also somewhat reinforces my feelings right now, because the fact that Ika got silenced as one of the most inactive players makes no sense to me. The only reason i could see is to have less force onto Titus, and seeing as Fire didn't know it was revealed it reinforces the fact that they thought it wouldnt be obvious.

Fire said "I would policy lynch ika due to the lack of talking" If they thought that it wouldn't be revealed, they could continue pushing Ika seeing as how quit she is and HOPE no one would suspect blackmailing.

-vote Firebringer

I think i could comfortably say the scum is inside Titus, Talbo, and Firebringer. Everyone please feel free to disagree with me, but provide explanations as to why.

[Gyrlander]

Where am I?

[Unknown1234]

Where am I?

Give me a few minutes, I need to finish something right now.

[Titus]

Your logic is really shaming. I would be surprised if you didn't get voted today. If Kovath was town, the Mafia wouldn't have changed how they played it. G4 voted right after day's end, meaning that clearly he Had some good reason wanting Kovath dead. Wanna know why? Because his teammate was really close to dying.

Nah, the voting after death is staged by scum.

Second, the asking about the blackmailer being revealed is an indication that Fire a) didn't read the setup or b) is faking not doing that.

[Titus]

I'm going to be less active today. I've got a cold but Unknown is confirmed scum.

[Gyrlander]

I'm going to be less active today. I've got a cold but Unknown is confirmed scum.

Then convince us.

[Unknown1234]

There is nothing he can do to prove I'm scum because I'm not. The remaining 7 people should vote Fire. I doubt this will happen (it should, 5 towns) but I guess it will be a test of who is smart or not. Titus is perhaps one of the worst scum/town I've ever seen

[Gyrlander]

There is nothing he can do to prove I'm scum because I'm not. The remaining 7 people should vote Fire. I doubt this will happen (it should, 5 towns) but I guess it will be a test of who is smart or not. Titus is perhaps one of the worst scum/town I've ever seen

Saying people who don't follow what you say are stupid is narcissist. I'll vote FB because I agree he has been scummy for a long time and his posts havent contribute anything.

[Gyrlander]

-vote Firebringer

[Quick]

-vote Titus

[Titus]

Then convince us.

Look at the dynamic of yesterday. Kovath wagon sat unchallenged until 10 minutes.

Why would scum not bother to defend a jester until the last 10 minutes of the day? Ask yourself that.

[Gyrlander]

-vote Titus

Yeah you can start explaining us your obsession with killing Kovath ASAP