S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread

[Sen]

Awe Man Must Have Missed It..

eVEryOnE elSe iS bLInD

[BananaCucho]

eVEryOnE elSe iS bLInD

No its

Everyone Else Is Blind

[Light_Yagami]

Please reveal that you're justice. I will die laughing

Spoiler : Okay? :

[Varcron]

No its

Everyone Else Is Blind

eVERYONE eLSE iS bLIND

[Sen]

No its

Everyone Else Is Blind

Hah, right.

Okay, I found out how the no feedback is possible based off of the setup


By definition a drug dealer visited me and stole my feedback.

What feedback?

[BananaCucho]

Spoiler : Okay? :

Wanna explain the vote? You're just gonna get him to tunnel you next

[Varcron]

Hah, right.



What feedback?

I'm assuming that I actually have a night action based off of the role I claimed and saw that I was given.

[Light_Yagami]

Wanna explain the vote? You're just gonna get him to tunnel you next

Thats Fine.... Let Him Tunnel..

[Light_Yagami]

Thats Fine.... Let Him Tunnel..

Let Me Put It This Way Its All Part Of The Plan.. Ill Explain It All Later..

[BananaCucho]

Let Me Put It This Way Its All Part Of The Plan.. Ill Explain It All Later..

Why Not Now? Gimmie A Reason To OMGUS Him

[Light_Yagami]

Why Not Now? Gimmie A Reason To OMGUS Him

Not Right Now I Asked A Question To A Couple Of PPL Waiting On A Response..

[Varcron]

Let Me Put It This Way Its All Part Of The Plan.. Ill Explain It All Later..

Interesting, so a soft claim.

[Light_Yagami]

Interesting, so a soft claim.

U Know Imma Just Roll My Eyes At That.. Did That Yesterday.. Link To Original Post Is On Page 91

[Sen]

I'm assuming that I actually have a night action based off of the role I claimed and saw that I was given.

There's been a dozen times when I feel like voting you, but decide against it because "that's just too dumb, can't be scum", and if I start a train on you, chances are it won't stop.

You just used doubting your assigned role and the likelihood of being a lunatic as an excuse to target Banana.

BGs get no feedback unless they save their target, and that's assuming you aren't a lunatic. Why would you try to make it sound like a drug dealer is the most likely case?

And then there's this:

I wouldn't say insecure so much as I've built a shitty defense and know there isn't much to save it.

Sounds like genuine scum self-awareness.

-vote Varcron

[BananaCucho]

Sen is so wishy washy with that vote today

[Light_Yagami]

Sen is so wishy washy with that vote today

He Might Be Scared..

[Light_Yagami]

He Might Be Scared..

Or Not Know Whats Going On..

[Varcron]

There's been a dozen times when I feel like voting you, but decide against it because "that's just too dumb, can't be scum", and if I start a train on you, chances are it won't stop.

You just used doubting your assigned role and the likelihood of being a lunatic as an excuse to target Banana.

BGs get no feedback unless they save their target, and that's assuming you aren't a lunatic. Why would you try to make it sound like a drug dealer is the most likely case?

And then there's this:



Sounds like genuine scum self-awareness.

-vote Varcron

We can assume there could be one given the amount of randoms in this save. I do agree though that BG does not typically get feedback, so it could be either or.

[Sen]

Sen is so wishy washy with that vote today

Piss off:

To recap:

So just to make sure I'm getting it right:

- You thought he was scum.

- You thought that most believed him to be scum and that someone would shoot him.

- You decided to try and save your -and half of the players'- top scum read.

Yes, I thought he would have been hit (even though he was our top scum read, but don't mind that) so I went and "protected" him (keep in mind I wanted to make sure I wasn't a killer/vigi so I went to him anyways.

Near EOD I switched back to Banana after it was clear the push on MM was gone to break a 2 way tie as well.

Try looking at it from a potential lunatic point of view, any one of us could have been a killing role given a protective rolecard.

I'm assuming that I actually have a night action based off of the role I claimed and saw that I was given.

He said that he visited you because he thought he was a lunatic vigilante. just some minutes later, he claims to assume that his rolecard was correct. Furthermore, he doesn't even know what the feedback of his supposed rolecard is.

[Light_Yagami]

Spoiler : Okay :

[secondpassing]

There's been a dozen times when I feel like voting you, but decide against it because "that's just too dumb, can't be scum", and if I start a train on you, chances are it won't stop.

You just used doubting your assigned role and the likelihood of being a lunatic as an excuse to target Banana.

BGs get no feedback unless they save their target, and that's assuming you aren't a lunatic. Why would you try to make it sound like a drug dealer is the most likely case?

And then there's this:



Sounds like genuine scum self-awareness.

-vote Varcron

Yeah if you start this train there's no going back. I'd really want to hear how MM posts before joining you.

Eh I might join you anyway.

[Varcron]

Piss off:

To recap:













He said that he visited you because he thought he was a lunatic vigilante. just some minutes later, he claims to assume that his rolecard was correct. Furthermore, he doesn't even know what the feedback of his supposed rolecard is.

I just agreed with you on that, read my previous #2718

[BananaCucho]

Piss off:

To recap:













He said that he visited you because he thought he was a lunatic vigilante. just some minutes later, he claims to assume that his rolecard was correct. Furthermore, he doesn't even know what the feedback of his supposed rolecard is.

Yeah and last time you let him off cause who knows why. Once I vote him again, your vote will return to me, the cycle will continue.

[SuperJack]

Remember if you have the insanity modifier you receive randomly generated feedback.

So if you peeps think you have some magical n1 mega feedback that will solve the game think again.

[Light_Yagami]

Remember if you have the insanity modifier you receive randomly generated feedback.

So if you peeps think you have some magical n1 mega feedback that will solve the game think again.

Thats Why I Ask Other PPLs Feed Back.. Cant Trust Mine..

[Sen]

I just agreed with you on that, read my previous #2718

First you claimed to take the dumbest night action because of the assumption that you could be a lunatic vigilante and didn't want to risk it.

Right after it, you said that you assumed that you are the role that you were given (you claimed having a bg card).

So what is it? Do you trust your rolecard, and thus should have targetted a proper town player to protect them, and decided not to?

Or do you think you're a lunatic vig as you first claimed? And if so, why would you claim to expect bodyguard feedback that you would only get if someone shot Banana?

First you say that you doubt your card, then you say you assume it's correct, and say that there must be a drug dealer stealing your information.

None of it makes sense, no matter where you look it from.

[Varcron]

First you claimed to take the dumbest night action because of the assumption that you could be a lunatic vigilante and didn't want to risk it.

Right after it, you said that you assumed that you are the role that you were given (you claimed having a bg card).

So what is it? Do you trust your rolecard, and thus should have targetted a proper town player to protect them, and decided not to?

Or do you think you're a lunatic vig as you first claimed? And if so, why would you claim to expect bodyguard feedback that you would only get if someone shot Banana?

First you say that you doubt your card, then you say you assume it's correct, and say that there must be a drug dealer stealing your information.

None of it makes sense, no matter where you look it from.

I trusted my rolecard however suspected otherwise, so a 50/50 if you could call it that. It kind of makes sense as I would rather if it were the 50 I didn't want I would have shot Banana (an easy mislynch and y'alls scumread) but if it were the 50 I did want it would have just been protection

[Sen]

I trusted my rolecard however suspected otherwise, so a 50/50 if you could call it that. It kind of makes sense as I would rather if it were the 50 I didn't want I would have shot Banana (an easy mislynch and y'alls scumread) but if it were the 50 I did want it would have just been protection

There's isn't a 50% chance of you being a lunatic vigilante. There's 14 possible town roles, so being overly paranoid and assuming a 50% chance of being lunatic, you had a 1/28 chance of being a lunatic vigilante.

[Varcron]

There's isn't a 50% chance of you being a lunatic vigilante. There's 14 possible town roles, so being overly paranoid and assuming a 50% chance of being lunatic, you had a 1/28 chance of being a lunatic vigilante.

You get my point.

[SuperJack]

Thats Why I Ask Other PPLs Feed Back.. Cant Trust Mine..

You also can't trust theirs.

[Sen]

You get my point.

No, I don't.

Besides the train hopping and other questionable action from yesterday, none of your claims make any sense: first outing yourself as a bg on d1, then protecting the scummiest player around, and finally saying that there must be a drug dealer because you didn't get feedback as a bodyguard.

[Varcron]

No, I don't.

Besides the train hopping and other questionable action from yesterday, none of your claims make any sense: first outing yourself as a bg on d1, then protecting the scummiest player around, and finally saying that there must be a drug dealer because you didn't get feedback as a bodyguard.

You do with the lunatic and roles, I have a 50% chance of being my role, AND a 1 in 28 after that of being any other role.

[Sen]

You do with the lunatic and roles, I have a 50% chance of being my role, AND a 1 in 28 after that of being any other role.

And here we go again; I explained multiple times that everyone should assume being town-aligned regardless of their rolecard. "I have the tinniest chance of being this specific role" will never be a valid excuse for anything. Not after how many times I mentioned this, including the times when I did it as a direct quote to you.

[Varcron]

And here we go again; I explained multiple times that everyone should assume being town-aligned regardless of their rolecard. "I have the tinniest chance of being this specific role" will never be a valid excuse for anything. Not after how many times I mentioned this, including the times when I did it as a direct quote to you.

I'd rather waste 1 night action on confirming I am actually a non-killing rather than defend a 100% townread of mine and kill him.

[secondpassing]

@deathworlds

Rage in Grief: Upon the death of a Occult Leader, Cult Leader, Jester King, Serial Killer, Witch, Mass Murderer, Ritual Killer, or Drug Dealer. A random Lunatic that is a Sinister receives information that somewhat confirms their alignment.

Just to clarify:
You use "Upon the death" which I take to mean "immediately following." One could argue that receiving that information and the end of the night would still be "upon"
If I replaced "Upon the death" with "Immediately following" would that be correct?

[deathworlds]

@deathworlds



Just to clarify:
You use "Upon the death" which I take to mean "immediately following." One could argue that receiving that information and the end of the night would still be "upon"
If I replaced "Upon the death" with "Immediately following" would that be correct?

Yes, thanks for correcting my sentence structure.

[Varcron]

You also can't trust theirs.

See? Exactly

[Varcron]

Well, I'll be back once y'all start typing again.

[Varcron]

Welcome goofy pringles

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hello guys! So, first of all: this is the craziest day 1 I've ever seen, minus perhaps one game on Mafiascum where 13 players posted 2x more than 50 players (in another game) in the same time lapse...

Second thing: I was visited last night. I recieved no feedback from it. As for the rest of my feedback, I'll wait on the host's reply to my question before talking about it, but there's something else

Third thing: Everyone should reveal if their cell was visited last night (or not visited). That will greatly help everyone figure things out.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You also can't trust theirs.

We can trust crossed feedbacks, though, and we can trust role-specific feedbacks.

[Varcron]

Hello guys! So, first of all: this is the craziest day 1 I've ever seen, minus perhaps one game on Mafiascum where 13 players posted 2x more than 50 players (in another game) in the same time lapse...

Second thing: I was visited last night. I recieved no feedback from it. As for the rest of my feedback, I'll wait on the host's reply to my question before talking about it, but there's something else

Third thing: Everyone should reveal if their cell was visited last night (or not visited). That will greatly help everyone figure things out.

Mine was not visited according to the feedback I received.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Thats Why I Ask Other PPLs Feed Back.. Cant Trust Mine..

Have you recieved anything interesting recently @Light_Yagami ?

[Varcron]

Have you recieved anything interesting recently @Light_Yagami ?

What's your opinion on Sen and Cucho?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Oh wait, I am utterly stupid lol, I just realized something. Don't ask me what it is, I will reveal it if I deem it is pro-town to do so.

By the way, I really think Light is town, as painful as it is to say...
beep beep choo choo

-vote Varcron

I didn't like him yesterday, both because of gut and because his "oppressive veterans" thing works well as a way to not contribute... It looks like there was the beginning of a train against him, so I'm adding pressure here. I didn't read everything yet, though, so my mind may change.

[Varcron]

Oh wait, I am utterly stupid lol, I just realized something. Don't ask me what it is, I will reveal it if I deem it is pro-town to do so.

By the way, I really think Light is town, as painful as it is to say...
beep beep choo choo

-vote Varcron

I didn't like him yesterday, both because of gut and because his "oppressive veterans" thing works well as a way to not contribute... It looks like there was the beginning of a train against him, so I'm adding pressure here. I didn't read everything yet, though, so my mind may change.

That was from a few games ago now

It doesn't really work as a way to contribute, seeing as to how I'm voted based off of that.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

What's your opinion on Sen and Cucho?

I really like Cucho. It's a mix of the following: I like the fact he's pulling gambits and that it actually helps town, and I like that he's putting himself in a bad light under the public eye by doing so. I also think (although that's a personal interpretation that could be totally wrong) that he prefers scum to town, and that when he's town, he tries to make things interesting with the gambits. Of course, this doesn't exclude the possibility of him doing scum gambits, but the one he pulled this game was pro-town IMO, and it worked.

Sen is a slot I honestly believe I'm not competent enough to read. He has been sticking to absolutely logical posts, most of them making sense, but he hasn't really been scummy. Perhaps a slight town read because he looked town-tunneled on Cucho earlier, but that could be mimicked by scum!Sen, especially with the amount of experience and skills he seems to have.

[Varcron]

I really like Cucho. It's a mix of the following: I like the fact he's pulling gambits and that it actually helps town, and I like that he's putting himself in a bad light under the public eye by doing so. I also think (although that's a personal interpretation that could be totally wrong) that he prefers scum to town, and that when he's town, he tries to make things interesting with the gambits. Of course, this doesn't exclude the possibility of him doing scum gambits, but the one he pulled this game was pro-town IMO, and it worked.

Sen is a slot I honestly believe I'm not competent enough to read. He has been sticking to absolutely logical posts, most of them making sense, but he hasn't really been scummy. Perhaps a slight town read because he looked town-tunneled on Cucho earlier, but that could be mimicked by scum!Sen, especially with the amount of experience and skills he seems to have.

Cucho I can agree with, however I don't really think that we should rule him out as scum yet simply due to the extensive amount of wolfing from yesterday (from a prot role I don't personally believe that that was a smart play on his part)

I'm going to highlight a little spot here I want to touch on

town-tunneled on Cucho earlier, but that could be mimicked by scum!Sen, especially with the amount of experience and skills he seems to have.

I think that Sen could potentially be using those logical plays as scum with a greater likelihood than town. HOWEVER, I also think that there could always be a chance he is town, therefore I will not apply pressure on the slot at this point until we see more

He has also been very wishy woshy with his vote already today.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Varcron's been incredibly apathetic this entire game. I do not buy his sob story of how he feels oppressed by the "veteran players", and I find it very suspicious that he voted Banana over Frinckles - Frinckles was objectively far scummier than Banana. In fact I think everyone who didn't vote Frinckles should be looked at.

Mhmm, fair, especially since we had Banana the Red Knight yesterday, and that... there's no damn reason to scumread Banana outside of "unorthodoxy", which is, according to Varcron's principle, not something that should be scumreadable.

The story that wasn't brought up this game? GOOFY!

You literally said yesterday that you didn't know what Banana was doing, and were just blindly following him

I'll give you the quote once I find it momentarily.

HMMMMMMM? I'm pretty sure you did say it, and I even noted that you had pushed Banana in contradiction with what you claim to be your principles. I'll look at your ISO and try to find a post proving you wrong

[Sen]

HOWEVER, I also think that there could always be a chance he is town, therefore I will not apply pressure on the slot at this point until we see more

WEAK.

I'm here. Apply pressure right now. Let's see if there's anything behind those words, or if they'll fall apart just as easily as all of your claims so far.