S-FM 208: Black Flag Nightless

[Eggy]

I don't even know why you think I'm scum to be honest, but I can tell you are probably too stubborn to be realistic.

I find you extremely opportunistic with almost everything you have done. you seem more like a standard scum. Where as NU seems like some more unconventional type of scum that he is trying out. The only reason I doubt it is because if the is fooling everyone that requires some sort of intelligence. It is almost easier to believe that he is just a dumbass townie who lead two mislynches.

[Unknown1234]

Dont move your vote. ICED will show up and obviously vote NU then it will be a tie and will be decided randomly If you are truthfully scum reading NU like you said you are you would not be so opportunistic as to change you vote and guarantee NUs survival when there is still an equal chance of him being lynched.

I really want to lynch both of them, but if we lynched one and they were scum I would be less inclined to vote the other one.

I already stated why I would vote both of them. Not sure why it's oppourtunistic other then going against you.

[Unknown1234]

I find you extremely opportunistic with almost everything you have done. you seem more like a standard scum. Where as NU seems like some more unconventional type of scum that he is trying out. The only reason I doubt it is because if the is fooling everyone that requires some sort of intelligence. It is almost easier to believe that he is just a dumbass townie who lead two mislynches.

Oppourtunistic and standard scum. Loving this, seriously.

[Eggy]

I was being more specific in saying why I'm hesitant to vote Iced. Unless the scum team would be Iced Mesk and Eggy there are atleast one scum on it.

Yea I agree. I know me and mesk are town. I know mesks play well and I have never been wrong about her alignment once in my entire life. I am sooooo sure that NU is scum at this point like sooooooo sure. There are 3 scum left in this game. If you ask me its very possible that ALL 3 are on the iced train as well as one misguided townie. I really think you should keep your vote on NU if you are town. Now that I think of it its impossible that ICED is scum unless a scum is voting their own teammate. If im right about NU being scum you very might well be town.

[Eggy]

I really want to lynch both of them, but if we lynched one and they were scum I would be less inclined to vote the other one.

I already stated why I would vote both of them. Not sure why it's oppourtunistic other then going against you.

Because you came out today saying that NU was scum, that was your first vote. If you believe that then it is against your own interest as a town member to lynch anyone else especially when there is an equal chance of either being lynched. The only way I see you changing your vote is if you saw Iced was about to be lynched and wanted to either kill the townie/save your own who you have been bussing. Or both are town and you dont care who is being lynched you jsut want to end the day faster.

[Eggy]

@Calix @Spruance @DarknessB atleast one of you is town. I beg you to get of the iced train and Vote NU I was right about the first two being mislynches and I am so sure one of you is misguided town on a train with 3 scum. Please dont be stupid who ever is town among you vote NU and I guarantee he will flip scum. Everyone has to understand that there is almost as many scum as town right now. One of these trains has 2 or more scum on it dont sheep or fallow who you think is town Make a decision between who you think is more scummy out of ICED and NU.

[Eggy]

I swear to god if we lose this game and I was right I hope you all die IRL

[Eggy]

with that im out

[Eggy]

@deathworlds If both trains are at 4 votes and one is scum and the other is town. How is it decided who gets lycnhed? is it completely randomly generated? Is there an equal chance between the town and scum of being lynched?

[Calix]

Stupid argument since you could easily be using this as WIFOM like you said. The "Why would scum do that" argument is always invalid because scum try new things and the point of this game as scum is to do things that people would not think scum would do and thus win the game.

That's completely retarded to draw so much attention to TWO SCUM MEMBERS IN A SETUP WHERE ONLY TWO SCUM NEED TO DIE purely for "WIFOM" since that strategy is easily defeated by "but you could be using WIFOM"

Literally no scum team has used "but WIFOM" as a strategy and anyone who keeps pushing this stupid idea needs a better explanation of how scum!NU and scum!Calix makes any sense.

I do find it funny that Calix is getting mad at me for not reading her AGAIN. If she didn't talk so much shit and nonsense and make a billion posts I'd be more likely to do collected analysis's on her opposed to individual reads.

"It's YOUR fault that I can't be bothered to read you!"

Seriously, you are trying to push a scum-read on someone that you won't read? I don't even have that many posts so this is just hilarious.

Nice response to me demolishing your theory, by the way. Ignoring it. Subtle.

Considering I was fine with the Iced lynch earlier (it was my first pick actually) I will probably vote him. I do want people to look at the people not voting Iced. Mesk, Eggy, and Iced_Monopoly. I doubt these three are scum, but if Iced does flip scum I think I would rather vote Mesk tomorrow.

My point is that there are likely scum on his train.

I'm not a fan of this post.

Makes sure to note that he voted for Iced first? Check.

Directing people to look at NU voters in advance as if he knows already how Iced will flip? Check.

MORE pre-flips? Check.

Most things about NU on that chart are bullshit.

Tone-
Not accommodating? he literally agrees with anything you say to the point that he will instantly change his vote if you ask him 2.

Contributions-
He has literally conformed with the majority of the thread the entire game. first in wanting to lynch SP then Kovath and now iced. None of those were against thread consensus. even voted mesk briefly who is widely scum read. Are you retarded or are you retarded?

Reads-
true

Voting patterns-

after his lynch of SP he constantly tried to downplay his involvement and shift the blame onto others such as yourself. I imagine the only reason he didnt do the same after leading the second mislynch is that I called him out on it before the day ended. If he tried to wiggle his way out of the responsiblity after that there is no way he would have survived the day.

Activity-

All activity is NAI
and wtf responding to posts made against yourself is NAI at all obviously it is in scums best interest to respond to all posts made against them. I did that in IC.

NU kissing my arse isn't alignment-indicative. He did it so much in the mentor chat and a quick look at his new signature proves this.

He was the person pushing for the SP lynch. That's not conforming to group consensus - that's him determining it. Huge difference. I forget the exact order of how the Kovath thing went down on D1 but I recall NU voting for Kovath straight off the bat on D2. Again, not conforming. If anything, he's been leading the group consensus. Conformity is not a valid argument here with maybe the exception of Iced.

Do you have any quotes/ post numbers for his SP lynch downplaying? I'll look myself but I'd like to see which posts stood out the most to you.

I made the point about activity/ responsiveness to draw a direct comparison between NU and Iced. You haven't disagreed with anything I said regarding Iced, you just ignored it.

Oppourtunistic and standard scum. Loving this, seriously.

Did the scum all decide that using sarcasm over countering the points was a good strategy this game? lmao

[Iced_Monopoly]

Well shit I missed a massive portion of this day, and im in a position to be hammered, lovely.

Can't say im suprised, I made my point yesterday that Calix was misrepping/strawmanning my points to the point where I gave up interacting with here which only came across worse for position it seems. The fact that she continues to push these points today with conviction means that she was misunderstanding or under-investing into my PoV and is town, or she just plays an aggressive as fuck scum game - either way gg.

I am a mislynch, and I believe NU is as well. Its too late to turn things around, but I believe Mesk to be scum based on alignments in behavior in this game with the beginners game that just took place recently (which I was following), DB as scum for his neutral, commentative and distanced play hes made this game, and Im inclined to agree with calix on the points of unknown setting up tomorrows lynch with knowledge of me being todays mislynch.

Thats my 3 scum picks, I bought today on myself with my absence, I apologize.

-vote Unknown1234

This pick probably has the best chance of saving me today.

[Mesk514]

Well in regards to me you're wrong Mr.Monopoly.
*please roll doubles or use your get out of jail card*

[deathworlds]

@deathworlds If both trains are at 4 votes and one is scum and the other is town. How is it decided who gets lycnhed? is it completely randomly generated? Is there an equal chance between the town and scum of being lynched?

If there is a tie in votes at day's end, then a random player with the highest number of votes will be lynched.

[Never Unlucky]

-unvote

I'm not confident with this train anymore seeing as both DB and Unknown agree with lynching Iced. I have the feeling that the scum are using me to mislynch again. I'd rather lynch Mesk now.

[Unknown1234]

-unvote

I'm not confident with this train anymore seeing as both DB and Unknown agree with lynching Iced. I have the feeling that the scum are using me to mislynch again. I'd rather lynch Mesk now.

I think it bothers me that you are once again, switching off a vote again at EOD. Third time. I'm going to keep my vote here.

[Unknown1234]

Also nice reading, my scum-read on you is based on the comments that I've said against you in my points. I'm not going to make a summary for you though.

[Unknown1234]

That's completely retarded to draw so much attention to TWO SCUM MEMBERS IN A SETUP WHERE ONLY TWO SCUM NEED TO DIE purely for "WIFOM" since that strategy is easily defeated by "but you could be using WIFOM"

Literally no scum team has used "but WIFOM" as a strategy and anyone who keeps pushing this stupid idea needs a better explanation of how scum!NU and scum!Calix makes any sense.



"It's YOUR fault that I can't be bothered to read you!"

Seriously, you are trying to push a scum-read on someone that you won't read? I don't even have that many posts so this is just hilarious.

Nice response to me demolishing your theory, by the way. Ignoring it. Subtle.



I'm not a fan of this post.

Makes sure to note that he voted for Iced first? Check.

Directing people to look at NU voters in advance as if he knows already how Iced will flip? Check.

MORE pre-flips? Check.



NU kissing my arse isn't alignment-indicative. He did it so much in the mentor chat and a quick look at his new signature proves this.

He was the person pushing for the SP lynch. That's not conforming to group consensus - that's him determining it. Huge difference. I forget the exact order of how the Kovath thing went down on D1 but I recall NU voting for Kovath straight off the bat on D2. Again, not conforming. If anything, he's been leading the group consensus. Conformity is not a valid argument here with maybe the exception of Iced.

Do you have any quotes/ post numbers for his SP lynch downplaying? I'll look myself but I'd like to see which posts stood out the most to you.

I made the point about activity/ responsiveness to draw a direct comparison between NU and Iced. You haven't disagreed with anything I said regarding Iced, you just ignored it.



Did the scum all decide that using sarcasm over countering the points was a good strategy this game? lmao

Given that this entire paragraph is horrible and based on attacking people. I already stated why id be skeptical of the Iced train because of the voters on it. Eggy Mesk and Iced as a scum-team does not seem likely given the current positions.

I actually don't recall you demolishing my theory, but I can tell you are eager to destroy people who go against you as you stated three times that players "ignore" you.

I also dislike how you think that my argument is based 100% on pre flips and how you flat out throw shade at people for using them. It's the same as searching for buddying but in a different manner.

I don't like how you are encouraging NU to suck up to you. You actually bother me (if you are town) because you are allowing NU to give you a free pass because he said its you. Town doesn't ignore this, and you would want people to actually town-read you based on evidence and not sheep you. I want EVERYONE to consider this.

The last post really bothers me. You are acting as if you already know who the scum are and that I'm 100% scum.

Calix is pushing for the Iced-Unknown1234 situation. If people think she's innocent id suggest taking a look at her motives in her posts.

[Unknown1234]

-vote Calix

[Never Unlucky]

I think it bothers me that you are once again, switching off a vote again at EOD. Third time. I'm going to keep my vote here.

"I think it bothers me"

Town has no hestitation for saying how they feel. You saying that you "think" you feel a certain way IS hesitation, and I don't know why town would phrase something this way.

Also nice reading, my scum-read on you is based on the comments that I've said against you in my points. I'm not going to make a summary for you though.

Nice try using apathy here. Your argument is that me being wrong makes me scum.

-vote Unknown1234

[Unknown1234]

"I think it bothers me"

Town has no hestitation for saying how they feel. You saying that you "think" you feel a certain way IS hesitation, and I don't know why town would phrase something this way.


Nice try using apathy here. Your argument is that me being wrong makes me scum.

-vote Unknown1234

Okay this post is scummy as fuck. You out of all people should know how I talk. Last game I literally said "I'm probably scum" and the fact that you are Using it as AI and joining Calix makes me believe that you will either try to lynch Iced or Mesk tomorrow.

I don't know where I said "NU is scum because he is wrong" but nice misrep.

[Unknown1234]

Okay this post is scummy as fuck. You out of all people should know how I talk. Last game I literally said "I'm probably scum" and the fact that you are Using it as AI and joining Calix makes me believe that you will either try to lynch Iced or Mesk tomorrow.

I don't know where I said "NU is scum because he is wrong" but nice misrep.

Sorry, meant "probably town"

[Unknown1234]

If me or Iced are lynched today, and I feel confident saying that Iced is town now, Calix and NU need to go. I see low chances of them being town.

[Never Unlucky]

-vote Calix

scum!Unknown wouldn't vote Calix like that I think.

Holy fuck, I am misguided. I'm only sure that Mesk is scum, and that train isn't a viable one this close to EoD.

There's a part of me that believes that Calix is scum as daunting as this theory is to me who blindly trusted her(cuz why tf not?).

Mesk+DB/Spruance +Calix/Iced is where I'm standing now. I liked how genuine Iced's response to his train was. I think scum!Iced would've voted me to let the RNG gods decide who of us two is lynched.

-unvote

[Spruance]

lol I'm up for a Calix lynch

-vote Calix

[Spruance]

eh DB is better

-vote DarknessB

[Never Unlucky]

Give a bit of thought to your votes :o

Otherwise it just looks like you're voting them "because they're experienced". zzz

[Eggy]

Well shit I missed a massive portion of this day, and im in a position to be hammered, lovely.

Can't say im suprised, I made my point yesterday that Calix was misrepping/strawmanning my points to the point where I gave up interacting with here which only came across worse for position it seems. The fact that she continues to push these points today with conviction means that she was misunderstanding or under-investing into my PoV and is town, or she just plays an aggressive as fuck scum game - either way gg.

I am a mislynch, and I believe NU is as well. Its too late to turn things around, but I believe Mesk to be scum based on alignments in behavior in this game with the beginners game that just took place recently (which I was following), DB as scum for his neutral, commentative and distanced play hes made this game, and Im inclined to agree with calix on the points of unknown setting up tomorrows lynch with knowledge of me being todays mislynch.

Thats my 3 scum picks, I bought today on myself with my absence, I apologize.

-vote Unknown1234

This pick probably has the best chance of saving me today.

What about mesks begginer game and this game are even remotely similar? she was one of the more active players in matrix and was using logic to explain all her thoughts and she was scum, I was her scum buddy I shared a night chat with her, her thought process as well as play style is completely different this game it strikes me as uninterested town more than anything. so basically you are finding a fancy way of saying you scum read her off meta, especially when the meta example is terrible, this seems odd to me.

[Eggy]

That's completely retarded to draw so much attention to TWO SCUM MEMBERS IN A SETUP WHERE ONLY TWO SCUM NEED TO DIE purely for "WIFOM" since that strategy is easily defeated by "but you could be using WIFOM"

Literally no scum team has used "but WIFOM" as a strategy and anyone who keeps pushing this stupid idea needs a better explanation of how scum!NU and scum!Calix makes any sense.



"It's YOUR fault that I can't be bothered to read you!"

Seriously, you are trying to push a scum-read on someone that you won't read? I don't even have that many posts so this is just hilarious.

Nice response to me demolishing your theory, by the way. Ignoring it. Subtle.



I'm not a fan of this post.

Makes sure to note that he voted for Iced first? Check.

Directing people to look at NU voters in advance as if he knows already how Iced will flip? Check.

MORE pre-flips? Check.



NU kissing my arse isn't alignment-indicative. He did it so much in the mentor chat and a quick look at his new signature proves this.

He was the person pushing for the SP lynch. That's not conforming to group consensus - that's him determining it. Huge difference. I forget the exact order of how the Kovath thing went down on D1 but I recall NU voting for Kovath straight off the bat on D2. Again, not conforming. If anything, he's been leading the group consensus. Conformity is not a valid argument here with maybe the exception of Iced.

Do you have any quotes/ post numbers for his SP lynch downplaying? I'll look myself but I'd like to see which posts stood out the most to you.

I made the point about activity/ responsiveness to draw a direct comparison between NU and Iced. You haven't disagreed with anything I said regarding Iced, you just ignored it.



Did the scum all decide that using sarcasm over countering the points was a good strategy this game? lmao

I dont need better reason it is clearly possible as anyone can see by the way you have been senselessly defending him, I was just point out the "why would scum do this" argument is a terrible one for many reasons, if people are suspecting you of being scum it is YOUR job to disprove these theories in a more intelligent manner than "does this seem like something scum would do" I suggest highlighting direct town motivations. In my experience town attempts to prove they are town, whereas scum attempts to prove they are not scum, there is a BIG difference and right now you are doing the latter.

I agree that is not necessarily conforming but he has been on obvious trains that everyone wanted to lynch anyone(for what I dont know) he wasnt going against the thread is what I was trying to say. I dont feel like going back and quoting posts you are very capable of doing that yourself. I will say that he went as far as to say that he gut town read SP and we should trust his same gut in, I believe it was the lynch of kovath. Either way to push someone so hard and after say you gut read them as town the whole time is extremely scummy IMO. I didnt even bother looking at the iced part tbh I dont really feel like he needs to be defended, I find your defense on NU very unwarranted unless your on his scum team. Also voting Iced when im positive that either NU or Unknown is scum seems counter productive. I dont think iced has had any genuine scum tells.

[Eggy]

Give a bit of thought to your votes :o

Otherwise it just looks like you're voting them "because they're experienced". zzz

Spruance is most definately scum. Im probably going to vote him next day assuming we lynch a scum today.

[Eggy]

Hes such a sheep its disgusting I dont even believe he read most of the thread, just bare minimum posts so he doesnt get replaced out.

[Calix]

Holy fucking shit, what are you DOING?

We go from two trains to five near EOD? What the fuck?

Literally no way is there not a scum on the line here between Iced/ NU and Iced's train low-key dissipated even though he made ONE post where he DIDN'T go for the obviously scummy option of using RNGesus for the lynch because Iced isn't a fucking retard who is going to vote like that. Nobody was this retarded when SP/ Kovath were being trained but people pick DAY THREE before spazzing all over the thread?

Yeah no, that's not a coincidence.

NU, why the FUCK are you voting like a spastic? Literally none of your changes in reads have made sense and you only have two town-reads now? One of them being UNKNOWN? How high are you right now?

Spruance is also contradicting himself like a son of a bitch. It literally could not be more obvious that Iced is scum that his team-mates are flailing over.

[Eggy]

Well shit I missed a massive portion of this day, and im in a position to be hammered, lovely.

Can't say im suprised, I made my point yesterday that Calix was misrepping/strawmanning my points to the point where I gave up interacting with here which only came across worse for position it seems. The fact that she continues to push these points today with conviction means that she was misunderstanding or under-investing into my PoV and is town, or she just plays an aggressive as fuck scum game - either way gg.

I am a mislynch, and I believe NU is as well. Its too late to turn things around, but I believe Mesk to be scum based on alignments in behavior in this game with the beginners game that just took place recently (which I was following), DB as scum for his neutral, commentative and distanced play hes made this game, and Im inclined to agree with calix on the points of unknown setting up tomorrows lynch with knowledge of me being todays mislynch.

Thats my 3 scum picks, I bought today on myself with my absence, I apologize.

-vote Unknown1234

This pick probably has the best chance of saving me today.

I dont ynderstand how you thought that pick had the best chance at saving you when you cud have voted NU then it would be a 50/50 chance that you survive but if you dont scum read him then its cool I guess.

[Eggy]

Holy fucking shit, what are you DOING?

We go from two trains to five near EOD? What the fuck?

Literally no way is there not a scum on the line here between Iced/ NU and Iced's train low-key dissipated even though he made ONE post where he DIDN'T go for the obviously scummy option of using RNGesus for the lynch because Iced isn't a fucking retard who is going to vote like that. Nobody was this retarded when SP/ Kovath were being trained but people pick DAY THREE before spazzing all over the thread?

Yeah no, that's not a coincidence.

NU, why the FUCK are you voting like a spastic? Literally none of your changes in reads have made sense and you only have two town-reads now? One of them being UNKNOWN? How high are you right now?

Spruance is also contradicting himself like a son of a bitch. It literally could not be more obvious that Iced is scum that his team-mates are flailing over.

Iced is less scummy than youself. my scum pool is Calix/spruance/NU/unknown/darkness. I am quite positive that the 3 scum are somewhere in there. Based just off the size of the train on iced I know that 2 or more were scum. Mesk is my strongest town read.

[Calix]

I dont need better reason it is clearly possible as anyone can see by the way you have been senselessly defending him, I was just point out the "why would scum do this" argument is a terrible one for many reasons, if people are suspecting you of being scum it is YOUR job to disprove these theories in a more intelligent manner than "does this seem like something scum would do" I suggest highlighting direct town motivations. In my experience town attempts to prove they are town, whereas scum attempts to prove they are not scum, there is a BIG difference and right now you are doing the latter.

I agree that is not necessarily conforming but he has been on obvious trains that everyone wanted to lynch anyone(for what I dont know) he wasnt going against the thread is what I was trying to say. I dont feel like going back and quoting posts you are very capable of doing that yourself. I will say that he went as far as to say that he gut town read SP and we should trust his same gut in, I believe it was the lynch of kovath. Either way to push someone so hard and after say you gut read them as town the whole time is extremely scummy IMO. I didnt even bother looking at the iced part tbh I dont really feel like he needs to be defended, I find your defense on NU very unwarranted unless your on his scum team. Also voting Iced when im positive that either NU or Unknown is scum seems counter productive. I dont think iced has had any genuine scum tells.

Guess what? I have NOTHING to defend myself from. There is NOTHING on me save for some weak-ass pre-flips (first Kovath, now NU) and Unknown lashing out at me because I said that I gut scum-read him. How the fuck does one 'disprove' a pre-flip unless one of us flips? I went through the D3 interactions we've had and there's nothing I can do to defend myself there because you'll just respond with "BUT WIFOM"

Also go fuck yourself. I'm not wasting my time by going through MY OWN POSTS to defend myself against thin air.

The only thing I am willing to concede to you here on is about his tone and how he reads players. I'm just saying that I might have been wrong about those being town tells for him.

[Eggy]

Its possible that ICED is scum but id be very surpised. unless his own team was voting him instead of NU.

[Eggy]

Guess what? I have NOTHING to defend myself from. There is NOTHING on me save for some weak-ass pre-flips (first Kovath, now NU) and Unknown lashing out at me because I said that I gut scum-read him. How the fuck does one 'disprove' a pre-flip unless one of us flips? I went through the D3 interactions we've had and there's nothing I can do to defend myself there because you'll just respond with "BUT WIFOM"

Also go fuck yourself. I'm not wasting my time by going through MY OWN POSTS to defend myself against thin air.

The only thing I am willing to concede to you here on is about his tone and how he reads players. I'm just saying that I might have been wrong about those being town tells for him.

cool

[Calix]

Pre-flips are a HORRIBLE idea when it comes to votes. Nobody is fucking defending anyone so scum HAD to have bussed somewhere.

We had two tight trains for most of the day and then they just scattered for NO REASON WHATSOEVER and NU decides to unvote and Unknown randomly votes for me over NU and Spruance votes for no reason. No way is there not scum among those lot.

[Calix]

cool

Thank you for proving my point.

[Calix]

Also why the fuck are people content with THIS?

• Never Unlucky (2 [L-3]):
  Eggy, Mesk514
  

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  Iced_Monopoly (2 [L-3]):
  Calix, DarknessB

WE'RE NOT HAVING A RNG LYNCH. SOMEONE VOTE ICED, FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

[Never Unlucky]

Pre-flips are a HORRIBLE idea when it comes to votes. Nobody is fucking defending anyone so scum HAD to have bussed somewhere.

We had two tight trains for most of the day and then they just scattered for NO REASON WHATSOEVER and NU decides to unvote and Unknown randomly votes for me over NU and Spruance votes for no reason. No way is there not scum among those lot.

I am town, I know you know.

NU, why the FUCK are you voting like a spastic? Literally none of your changes in reads have made sense and you only have two town-reads now? One of them being UNKNOWN? How high are you right now?

Iced said that he was town, and it felt very genuine. :c If he was le scum he would've voted me, no?

I'm being a complete moron these last few days, I need to get myself checked. :/

[Calix]

I am town, I know you know.



Iced said that he was town, and it felt very genuine. :c If he was le scum he would've voted me, no?

I'm being a complete moron these last few days, I need to get myself checked. :/

No I do NOT know, I'm just not a complete fucktard unlike SOME PEOPLE and can actually read players.

If he voted for you, not only is that an obvious fucking move, it would have also been SCUMMY AS SHIT BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE MADE THE VOTES A 3V3 OR WHATEVER THE FUCK IS WAS.

NOT VOTING FOR YOU IS CLEARLY THE OPTIMAL SCUM STRATEGY YOU IDIOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT "EXPECTED" SCUM PLAY. ICED/ UNKNOWN HAVE BEEN MAKING 'PUSHES' ON EACH OTHER WITH NO FOLLOW-UP FOR DAYS AND THIS SURPRISES YOU WHEN HE DOES IT NOW? DO YOU EVEN WIFOM?

[Unknown1234]

No I do NOT know, I'm just not a complete fucktard unlike SOME PEOPLE and can actually read players.

If he voted for you, not only is that an obvious fucking move, it would have also been SCUMMY AS SHIT BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE MADE THE VOTES A 3V3 OR WHATEVER THE FUCK IS WAS.

NOT VOTING FOR YOU IS CLEARLY THE OPTIMAL SCUM STRATEGY YOU IDIOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT "EXPECTED" SCUM PLAY. ICED/ UNKNOWN HAVE BEEN MAKING 'PUSHES' ON EACH OTHER WITH NO FOLLOW-UP FOR DAYS AND THIS SURPRISES YOU WHEN HE DOES IT NOW? DO YOU EVEN WIFOM?

This is over aggressive, even for you.

Firstly, when I had been making a case on Iced, it wasn't important enough for you because you wanted someone else lynched. Now you 'suddenly' notice scummy things about him and get angry when it's not going your way. I'm actually done with your shit on everyone saying "you don't have a case on me" I know for a fact four people have said stuff on you and you are ignoring it because you think you are perfect.

The cases won't reach your standards though, so you are going to kick and scream until you get your way. I don't think NU is scum anymore, and like I said the train on Iced at the time was poorly structured and feels repeated. I don't like people such as Darkness and Spruance who are using lousy excuses for voting and hoping nothing happens to them. It's possible that they are town, but I really don't like it and find it lacking in conversation. Darkness has done it a little bit Spruance has done nothing. Calix is just completely crazy this game, and I think it's her reacting this way because she does not have experience playing scum and that she's trying too hard to be herself than usual.

Calix and Darkness are likely scum. I really am tired of people putting their full hopes and dreams into Calix and can't think for themself. Iced may be scum, I'm not and I know for a fact that if he is scum then people should have listened to me instead of the attention hog Calix.

I do like the Iced/Unknown thing which is now convenient for you and not when we were scum-reading each other. This game you have been way too convenient with everything, lining up Lynches, and defending the people who follow you as an act of manipulation.

[Calix]

This is over aggressive, even for you.

There is literally nothing scummy about what you just pointed out. Love the framing though.

Firstly, when I had been making a case on Iced, it wasn't important enough for you because you wanted someone else lynched. Now you 'suddenly' notice scummy things about him and get angry when it's not going your way. I'm actually done with your shit on everyone saying "you don't have a case on me" I know for a fact four people have said stuff on you and you are ignoring it because you think you are perfect.

What case? I've been scum-reading him since Day 2, so GTFO with your revisionism.

Where have I ignored anything? I've responded to every 'case' against me which is "CALIX IS DEFENDING KOVATH" and "CALIX IS DEFENDING NU"

Why do you continue to talk to me like you know I am town, eh? I'm 'ignoring' shit not because I'm scum but 'because you think you're perfect'? lol okay

The cases won't reach your standards though, so you are going to kick and scream until you get your way. I don't think NU is scum anymore, and like I said the train on Iced at the time was poorly structured and feels repeated. I don't like people such as Darkness and Spruance who are using lousy excuses for voting and hoping nothing happens to them. It's possible that they are town, but I really don't like it and find it lacking in conversation. Darkness has done it a little bit Spruance has done nothing. Calix is just completely crazy this game, and I think it's her reacting this way because she does not have experience playing scum and that she's trying too hard to be herself than usual.

Go right ahead with "the cases won't reach your standards" when you literally whined about "emergerd you post too much for me to read you properly" and haven't responded to my take-downs of your shitty 'cases'

"does not have experience playing as scum" - Are you fucking kidding me?

Calix and Darkness are likely scum. I really am tired of people putting their full hopes and dreams into Calix and can't think for themself. Iced may be scum, I'm not and I know for a fact that if he is scum then people should have listened to me instead of the attention hog Calix.

I do like the Iced/Unknown thing which is now convenient for you and not when we were scum-reading each other. This game you have been way too convenient with everything, lining up Lynches, and defending the people who follow you as an act of manipulation.

I love the ATE about "EVERYONE IS BLINDLY TOWN-READING CALIX" when that hasn't been the case for anyone but NU.

>"Hey guys I scum-read Iced first!"
>is not voting for Iced

Legit.

I've repeated on multiple occasions that you two are scum. That's not 'convenient' like you're trying to paint it to be.

'too convenient, lining up lynches, defending people who follow you'

[citation needed]

I've been town-reading NU long before he started the arse-kissing and I haven't 'defended' anyone else nor has anyone else 'followed' me this game. Stop making it sound like everyone is blindly following me.

[Never Unlucky]

I don't know what to do now. Completely clueless.
I will vote Iced before EoD if I don't set my mind on anyone else, because I am confirmed town to myself.

Calix, I do not like your strawmanning of Unknown's post.

[Calix]

I don't know what to do now. Completely clueless.
I will vote Iced before EoD if I don't set my mind on anyone else, because I am confirmed town to myself.

Calix, I do not like your strawmanning of Unknown's post.

>strawmanning

Where?

[Never Unlucky]

There is literally nothing scummy about what you just pointed out. Love the framing though.

What case? I've been scum-reading him since Day 2, so GTFO with your revisionism.

Where have I ignored anything? I've responded to every 'case' against me which is "CALIX IS DEFENDING KOVATH" and "CALIX IS DEFENDING NU"

Why do you continue to talk to me like you know I am town, eh? I'm 'ignoring' shit not because I'm scum but 'because you think you're perfect'? lol okay

Go right ahead with "the cases won't reach your standards" when you literally whined about "emergerd you post too much for me to read you properly" and haven't responded to my take-downs of your shitty 'cases'

"does not have experience playing as scum" - Are you fucking kidding me?



I love the ATE about "EVERYONE IS BLINDLY TOWN-READING CALIX" when that hasn't been the case for anyone but NU.

>"Hey guys I scum-read Iced first!"
>is not voting for Iced

Legit.

I've repeated on multiple occasions that you two are scum. That's not 'convenient' like you're trying to paint it to be.

'too convenient, lining up lynches, defending people who follow you'

[citation needed]

I've been town-reading NU long before he started the arse-kissing and I haven't 'defended' anyone else nor has anyone else 'followed' me this game. Stop making it sound like everyone is blindly following me.

It's not what he said, you're twisting his words.

[Eggy]

Pre-flips are a HORRIBLE idea when it comes to votes. Nobody is fucking defending anyone so scum HAD to have bussed somewhere.

We had two tight trains for most of the day and then they just scattered for NO REASON WHATSOEVER and NU decides to unvote and Unknown randomly votes for me over NU and Spruance votes for no reason. No way is there not scum among those lot.

So you just said 3 people who scattered unknown NU and spruance. and then proceeded to say there is scum among those 3 and ICED is not among those 3, but NU is so why the fuck are you voting ICED instead of NU???? like wtf.

[Unknown1234]

1.) Never Unlucky has been trying to play like you for the longest time. Take a hint.

2.) Spruance always Sheeps you regardless, obvious reason to not scum-read them.

3.) Mesk has never been a good choice for you because she would never vote for you. Obvious.

4.) Eggy is pretty much the exact way. I don't think I've seen him go against you unless it's about his own alignment.

5.) Darkness even does it. Not as obvious this time but you can tell he doesn't want to go against you.

Nobody ever really makes a town case on you, other then "she is playing like she always does" pretty sure I've seen very little cases this game if any.

You ONLY announced that you see us as a team today. Why? Because the other two days you had more viable targets. You only point out other scum teams when you realize that your previous reads wernt scum. You are literally planning way too far ahead as if you know what everyone is going to flip.

You know you don't have recent experience as scum. You even whined earlier that "I don't know what my scum play is so you can't even say that".

Why are you trying to make it look like I know your town? You clearly are trying to use my words against me because it suits your argument.

You have constantly ignored people's reads. When I asked you where you "demolish my read" you didn't respond and instead persisted to repeat that I never answered to it. It's a long game so I don't feel like searching through 900 posts looking for if.

Your play has been full of shit with trying to turn it against everyone else. I can't say that this is even slightly town because I can't. You aren't trying to build conversation, you aren't trying to listen to other people, this game it's been pretty much all you.

[Eggy]

Thank you for proving my point.

Not proving your point. Not worth it to argue with you because you are either scum or stubborn as fuck.

[Eggy]

@Spruance @Iced_Monopoly come vote NU please.