S-FM 204: Insanity

[TheDarkestLight]

Do you not understand?

Witch doesn't know any other scum.

If witch thought you were scum adn claimed bd she had to specify 2 targets, you and someone else.

Someone else wouldn't confirm the claim since it never happened.

Therefore it would be equivalent to gamethrowing.

It's a mislynch push, or it could be an attempt to claim the person was drug dealt. I've seen tougher things in the past. Why would any sane NK claim what I claimed, even if they don't look at the OoO? That requires the Witch to actually cooperate and that's way too much of a risk. It makes more sense from a town perspective as you aren't as worried about said risk.

[Iced_Monopoly]

AD confirms alignment, not role.

AC confirms role.

Spruance was visited by AC not AD.

They give 2 seperate pieces of feedback.

Spoiler : Asylum Counselor :


You decided to provide some much needed counseling to an inmate last night.



After a long counseling session from the Asylum Staff, you have been diagnosed of being a Lunatic. Your true calling is a XXX.







Spoiler : Asylum Director :


After hearing the directors soothing voice at day break, you now know that you truly have Misguided Motives.



After hearing the directors rage inducing voice at day break, you now know that you must have Sinister Motives.

Oops. Well AD is still a confirmed role.

[deathworlds]

No one confirmed alignment on d2, the action happens every night.

Is asylum director alignment confirmation affected by roleblocked?

No.

[TheDarkestLight]

"True roles will be revealed upon death."

No one has flipped AD.

I have no idea then since it comes up after kills in the OoO. Maybe Eggy was lurking so hard he didn't tell us? There is no reasonable explanation since there HAS to be an AD.

[Iced_Monopoly]

"True roles will be revealed upon death."

No one has flipped AD.

That quote was indicating kovath was the one that received the AD feedback, not that he was AD

[ThePaladin]

It's a mislynch push, or it could be an attempt to claim the person was drug dealt. I've seen tougher things in the past. Why would any sane NK claim what I claimed, even if they don't look at the OoO? That requires the Witch to actually cooperate and that's way too much of a risk. It makes more sense from a town perspective as you aren't as worried about said risk.

A: you are an experienced player, you know that if you are in a situation where your lynch is almost guaranteed it can be best to claim very radical information[such as being witched]

B: We may or may not have a witch and you are just saying fake feedback if you are sk.

C: Witch wouldn't cooperate in the first place regardless of affiliation since it would be a gamethrow as stated above.

D: You attempted to pull off a gambit that would fail if you even bothered to read the busdriver rolecard, no person actually trying to do a gambit to help town would do something that fails just by reading the rolecard.

[Iced_Monopoly]

I have no idea then since it comes up after kills in the OoO. Maybe Eggy was lurking so hard he didn't tell us? There is no reasonable explanation since there HAS to be an AD.

That quote was indicating kovath was the one that received the AD feedback, not that he was AD

Or not..

[TheDarkestLight]

That quote was indicating kovath was the one that received the AD feedback, not that he was AD

I looked at OoO again and it doesn't work since kills come before AD. Only two reasonable explanations imo, Eggy lurked hard and didn't say it, or a Drug Dealer exists and got super fucking lucky. There is no other explanation, and both of those are pushing it.

Unless some town decided to not say it for fear of getting converted because we'd see him as confirmed town? I did point that out yesterday.

[ThePaladin]

That quote was indicating kovath was the one that received the AD feedback, not that he was AD

Judging by OoO is it true that its not possible for AD to confirm the alignment of a person who is shot since they are already dead by that point?

1. Witch
2. Veteran/Mass Murderer
3. Escort
4. Bus Driver
5. Doctor
6. Ritual Killer Kill/Mark
7. Bodyguard.
8. All other kills
9. Sheriff/Executioner/Drug Dealer/Investigator/Sleuth
10. Convertions
11. Jester/Citizen/Asylum Counselor/Asylum Director

[ThePaladin]

I looked at OoO again and it doesn't work since kills come before AD. Only two reasonable explanations imo, Eggy lurked hard and didn't say it, or a Drug Dealer exists and got super fucking lucky. There is no other explanation, and both of those are pushing it.

Unless some town decided to not say it for fear of getting converted because we'd see him as confirmed town? I did point that out yesterday.

AD confirms both alignments it appears as long as you recieved the insane rolecard. So you could be told your alignment is actually sinister but recieved citizen for example.

If you got it as scum, you could still claim it.

[ThePaladin]

AD confirms both alignments it appears as long as you recieved the insane rolecard. So you could be told your alignment is actually sinister but recieved citizen for example.

If you got it as scum, you could still claim it.

Meaning it doesn't actually make you any bigger of a conversion target than you already were.

[TheDarkestLight]

A: you are an experienced player, you know that if you are in a situation where your lynch is almost guaranteed it can be best to claim very radical information[such as being witched]

B: We may or may not have a witch and you are just saying fake feedback if you are sk.

C: Witch wouldn't cooperate in the first place regardless of affiliation since it would be a gamethrow as stated above.

D: You attempted to pull off a gambit that would fail if you even bothered to read the busdriver rolecard, no person actually trying to do a gambit to help town would do something that fails just by reading the rolecard.

A: And... how does claiming being Witched help someone not look scum? Like you said, Witch does not know who the other scum are.

B: Same as above. But also, once again you assume the NK is an SK and has no possibility of being an MM.

C: I addressed this already.

D: So... I'm scum for not reading properly? Guess half the fucking game is scum then huh?

[TheDarkestLight]

AD confirms both alignments it appears as long as you recieved the insane rolecard. So you could be told your alignment is actually sinister but recieved citizen for example.

If you got it as scum, you could still claim it.

Then wait... what was your plan from fucking D1 then? Wait five days so the town knows all their roles if scum could also get it?

[GameFreak]

Alright dota game is done, I was Witched D1.

[ThePaladin]

A: And... how does claiming being Witched help someone not look scum? Like you said, Witch does not know who the other scum are.

B: Same as above. But also, once again you assume the NK is an SK and has no possibility of being an MM.

C: I addressed this already.

D: So... I'm scum for not reading properly? Guess half the fucking game is scum then huh?

A: It deflects the attention basically you claim something that would normally be something a scum wouldn't claim since you are guaranteed to be lynched you may as well try a gambit.

B:Killer could still be MM, I didn't say I am 100% certain, I said I am nearly certain. Also you could be a mm who got roleblocked. If we go by raw probability it is more likely that you are a killer who was roleblocked[if we have sk 100%; if we have mm about 7/11~70%) than the killer is a mm who got unlucky(about 3/11 30%)

C:No I don't believe you have. You said the witch would claim bus driver to help you. But if that was teh case the witch would have to claim TWO targets aka another besides you, who would the witch reasonably choose since the witch doesn't know who the scum are? AKA the other target would not confirm the claim and the witch would be lynched even if you didn't say you were lieing.

D: It's not like the signups said read this carefully or there's this thing that town do when doing a gambit its that when you do crazy gambits you take the time to read the three lines of text on the rolecard you are doing a gambit on.

[ThePaladin]

Alright dota game is done, I was Witched D1.

Why did you just claim this now?

[GameFreak]

Why did you just claim this now?

I mean its pretty fucking obvious

[ThePaladin]

Then wait... what was your plan from fucking D1 then? Wait five days so the town knows all their roles if scum could also get it?

It makes it a "normal game"

[ThePaladin]

I mean its pretty fucking obvious

I'm oblivious.

Why not on d2?

[GameFreak]

Because maybe the witch doesn't realise he's a witch ? and i don't wanna go running around comfirming scum roles like TDL over here.

[ThePaladin]

Because maybe the witch doesn't realise he's a witch ? and i don't wanna go running around comfirming scum roles like TDL over here.

But you were also roleblocked on d1?

[GameFreak]

And maybe make the witch believe he's an escort ??? aka go against his own interest , outrageous

[GameFreak]

But you were also roleblocked on d1?

is there a facepalm emoticon yet

[ThePaladin]

And maybe make the witch believe he's an escort ??? aka go against his own interest , outrageous

Were you or were you not roleblocked on n1?

[ThePaladin]

is there a facepalm emoticon yet

[GameFreak]

Were you or were you not roleblocked on n1?

No you fool i was witched.

[ThePaladin]

No you fool i was witched.

Then was your escort claim also false?

What was the whole debacle about you not being an escort then for?

[GameFreak]

Then was your escort claim also false?

What was the whole debacle about you not being an escort then for?

Paladin take like 5 mins to think why i would do what i did

[ThePaladin]

Is there an 100% chance of an Asylum Director being in the game as a true role?
@deathworlds @Deathworlds Host

[GameFreak]

I'm going to bed no night feedback here.

this game

[ThePaladin]

Paladin take like 5 mins to think why i would do what i did

You tried to make the witch think he/she was a escort so she would support ze town- is the reasoning I cam up with.

I am asking you if your role was real to clarify my chart.

[RLVG]

7 pages to read.

While I read shit up, let me just say that Gyrlander has "Sinister Motives".

[ThePaladin]

7 pages to read.

While I read shit up, let me just say that Gyrlander has "Sinister Motives".

Good timing RLVG, we were just discussing him.

[TheDarkestLight]

A: It deflects the attention basically you claim something that would normally be something a scum wouldn't claim since you are guaranteed to be lynched you may as well try a gambit.

B:Killer could still be MM, I didn't say I am 100% certain, I said I am nearly certain. Also you could be a mm who got roleblocked. If we go by raw probability it is more likely that you are a killer who was roleblocked[if we have sk 100%; if we have mm about 7/11~70%) than the killer is a mm who got unlucky(about 3/11 30%)

C:No I don't believe you have. You said the witch would claim bus driver to help you. But if that was teh case the witch would have to claim TWO targets aka another besides you, who would the witch reasonably choose since the witch doesn't know who the scum are? AKA the other target would not confirm the claim and the witch would be lynched even if you didn't say you were lieing.

D: It's not like the signups said read this carefully or there's this thing that town do when doing a gambit its that when you do crazy gambits you take the time to read the three lines of text on the rolecard you are doing a gambit on.

A: But that is something scum would claim since it is still perfectly logical for scum to receive that feedback legitimately. Maybe something along the lines of "I was attacked last night" is better? But witched? No, that's completely illogical to claim unless it actually happened.

B: 100% on SK is absurd due to the possibility of attacking someone immune again. You are beefing up your argument with bullshit. Also, I sincerely doubt an MM would be roleblocked considering there are TWO roleblocked claims, and Mass Murderer comes before Escort in the OoO, but there killing doesn't. suggests that if the MM targets himself the Escorts die if they target him, but if the Escorts target him when he targets someone else the MM is roleblocked. So tell me, why would an MM not spree on himself after two roleblock claims? So I sincerely doubt the "MM gets roleblocked" is legitimate. Also, there is the fact that it's perfectly logical for the MM to get unlucky. You assume that because everyone is capable of visiting someone, that everyone will likely be visited. This suggests that everyone targets someone different. It is perfectly logical that they target someone who isn't visited due to the fact that people can actually visit the same person. Especially considering we had plenty of people trying to organize yesterday.

C: Fucking read my slightly older posts and you'll see my thought process.

D: That's something to criticize everyone about because everyone has fucked up reading this at some point from what I can see.

[Gyrlander]

7 pages to read.

While I read shit up, let me just say that Gyrlander has "Sinister Motives".

I can already see the Insane Sheriff

[TheDarkestLight]

Is there an 100% chance of an Asylum Director being in the game as a true role?
@deathworlds @Deathworlds Host

Role List
Hidden Sinister
Hidden Sinister
Asylum Director
Hidden Insane
Hidden Insane
Hidden Insane
Hidden Insane
Hidden Insane
Hidden Insane
Hidden Insane
Hidden Any
Hidden Any
Hidden Any

It's IN THE ROLE LIST.

Holy fuck, and you say I haven't read?

[TheDarkestLight]

Is there an 100% chance of an Asylum Director being in the game as a true role?
@deathworlds @Deathworlds Host

Also, it was stated that Asylum staff cannot be lunatics, but someone could be a lunatic thinking they are asylum staff. That means if someone thinks they are the Director, then there will be two people who think it. But, Asylum Director still has his ability activate.

[ThePaladin]

A: But that is something scum would claim since it is still perfectly logical for scum to receive that feedback legitimately. Maybe something along the lines of "I was attacked last night" is better? But witched? No, that's completely illogical to claim unless it actually happened.

B: 100% on SK is absurd due to the possibility of attacking someone immune again. You are beefing up your argument with bullshit. Also, I sincerely doubt an MM would be roleblocked considering there are TWO roleblocked claims, and Mass Murderer comes before Escort in the OoO, but there killing doesn't. suggests that if the MM targets himself the Escorts die if they target him, but if the Escorts target him when he targets someone else the MM is roleblocked. So tell me, why would an MM not spree on himself after two roleblock claims? So I sincerely doubt the "MM gets roleblocked" is legitimate. Also, there is the fact that it's perfectly logical for the MM to get unlucky. You assume that because everyone is capable of visiting someone, that everyone will likely be visited. This suggests that everyone targets someone different. It is perfectly logical that they target someone who isn't visited due to the fact that people can actually visit the same person. Especially considering we had plenty of people trying to organize yesterday.

C: Fucking read my slightly older posts and you'll see my thought process.

D: That's something to criticize everyone about because everyone has fucked up reading this at some point from what I can see.

B: Admitedly percentage should be about 80
GF was lying
MM kill happens b4 roleblocking regardless of spree, so why would he choose[also yeah mm is basically null to roleblocking in that regard]

C: I read them but I can't see a possible reason even if witch thought you were scum to claim bd given that busdrivers cannot bus themselves.

Doesn't make it any better

[ThePaladin]

Role List
Hidden Sinister
Hidden Sinister
Asylum Director
Hidden Insane
Hidden Insane
Hidden Insane
Hidden Insane
Hidden Insane
Hidden Insane
Hidden Insane
Hidden Any
Hidden Any
Hidden Any

It's IN THE ROLE LIST.

Holy fuck, and you say I haven't read?

DID I MENTION I'M LEGALLY BLIND?

Also, it was stated that Asylum staff cannot be lunatics, but someone could be a lunatic thinking they are asylum staff. That means if someone thinks they are the Director, then there will be two people who think it. But, Asylum Director still has his ability activate.

But host also said that all combinations were possible.

WHAT IS GOING ON..........

[ThePaladin]

I can already see the Insane Sheriff

Does that mean you see me as scum?

[Unknown1234]

I think RLVG is a Lunatic, based on him saying Gyrlander isn't AD and the fact that nobody has cc'd the Asylum Director.

It's possible Gyrlander is Lunatic AD as well, which might make sense.

Since nobody has brought attention to this, @RLVG why did you check Gyrlander? Wasn't there some sort of planned arranged?

[deathworlds]

Judging by OoO is it true that its not possible for AD to confirm the alignment of a person who is shot since they are already dead by that point?

1. Witch
2. Veteran/Mass Murderer
3. Escort
4. Bus Driver
5. Doctor
6. Ritual Killer Kill/Mark
7. Bodyguard.
8. All other kills
9. Sheriff/Executioner/Drug Dealer/Investigator/Sleuth
10. Convertions
11. Jester/Citizen/Asylum Counselor/Asylum Director

Yes

Is there an 100% chance of an Asylum Director being in the game as a true role?
@deathworlds @Deathworlds Host

... Asylum Director is a confirmed unique role in the game. There is one, and only one.

[TheDarkestLight]

B: Admitedly percentage should be about 80
GF was lying
MM kill happens b4 roleblocking regardless of spree, so why would he choose[also yeah mm is basically null to roleblocking in that regard]

C: I read them but I can't see a possible reason even if witch thought you were scum to claim bd given that busdrivers cannot bus themselves.

Doesn't make it any better

A: Good to see you not use certainty.

B: But did anyone but GF and potentially the Witch know that he was lying at the time?

C: I explained that it could have been argued in the affirmative via claiming there was something like a Drug Dealer around.

D: Yeah... even you aren't reading, so how is it a scum tell that I misread?

[ThePaladin]

Unless I'm blind I don't see where host said that Asylum staff can't be lunatics.

[TheDarkestLight]

I think RLVG is a Lunatic, based on him saying Gyrlander isn't AD and the fact that nobody has cc'd the Asylum Director.

It's possible Gyrlander is Lunatic AD as well, which might make sense.

Since nobody has brought attention to this, @RLVG why did you check Gyrlander? Wasn't there some sort of planned arranged?

Likely to see if he was insane or not.

[TheDarkestLight]

Unless I'm blind I don't see where host said that Asylum staff can't be lunatics.

Post #3 in the setup.

Breh I've been doing this before you even started making setups.

And yes, everyone. Excluding the Asylum Staff can be Lunatics.

[ThePaladin]

Breh I've been doing this before you even started making setups.

And yes, everyone. Excluding the Asylum Staff can be Lunatics.

This is a reply in the setup thread, I assume it still applies to this game?

[TheDarkestLight]

This is a reply in the setup thread, I assume it still applies to this game?

rofl

[RLVG]

I did visit Spruance last night.

Taekyon visited Spruance, no one died.

I was bussed into a witch last night. Was lovely.

Excuse me. Whaaat?

Witch happens before being bussed.

Mr. Insane Scientist knows contradictions.

Yesterdays lynch was quite unsettling. How you were all convinced that lynching a BD claim on a slot that was about to be replaced was a good idea, when there were other candidates is beyond me.

Last night I visited RLVG, "Your need to prove yourself has led you to the cell of RLVG, who you believe to be an Citizen.". Given that it appears citizen, thats a 25% chance that he is, and a 50% chance that my role fucked up. Only confirmation I can receive on my role today will come in the feedback produced by @Spruance .

So I'm a Citizen, according to you.

Um yes, there is feedback for being bussed. However because it was not on the setup page I will not allow players to directly quote any bussed feedback.

Doesn't this indirectly confirm that there's bus feedback around? :troll:

I claimed witched in my first post. The witch would likely be able to figure it out.

You did?

The Paladin Citizen Escort vist unknown 1234 visit TDL

Paladin ain't sexy enough to be an escort.

I received Doctor and went to RLVG night one. I attempted to go to Iced last night, but that didn't work for two reasons.

Wait, so you claimed Witch in your first post but received Doctor? How the fuck do you make out Witch in that situation?
You also targeted me but no 2nd action? Lol.

Also, I can't make a claim because I can tell you 100% I am a lunatic, which is really dumb but I didn't catch onto this until now.

You're 100% lunatic?

[ThePaladin]

rofl

To be fair, he did add asylum counselor later on past that post.

It's also not unheard of for hosts to change some stuff.