S-FM: ???? Gamethread

[Voss]

Well if dimension stops your role ability and sb is role blocker and claims NOT to be Merlin. We can assume the possibility of two role blockers. You not thinking it's possible for two is fine. However, the possibility for two different people to have role blocking abilities is NOT ruled out. FYI

I agree with everything except the highlighted. I agree its not ruled out. I can see that there is potential for two role blockers. But I think its more likely that SB is a RBing Merlin, rather than having 2 separate role blockers running around. I'm pursuing this topic because I don't know how you're drawing this conclusion. Or I'm misunderstanding something.

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@widomakr I saw you about, can you take the unholy item? It'll help see what the unholy item does with a control group of PTB (assuming his power is legit)

[Voss]

@NoctiZ , how do you know no one else targeted you?

[Hybrid]

just because i voted Sb16 no one will believe in Noctiz but i had my own reasons in my LW as well I am dead tonight anyways

-vote StealthBomber16

[NoctiZ]

Sorry, confusing typo, fixed with white.

No, I do not have a night action. I kind of softed that already, atleast from my POV.

Important shit: The conclusion why SB16 is like 95% Merlin after I thought about my feedback and what he claims:

I received the feedback that I went into a strange dimension. Alright, sounds vague enough to not know what that's about. But it also specifically told me that I "had no other human contact that night". This might mean a few things but I'm only seeing two right now:

[NoctiZ]

@NoctiZ, how do you know no one else targeted you?

Because my feedback specifically told me so, as I said. Dunno why it did but it did.

[PowersThatBe]

this day's summary
30% who should take items
40% hybrid is this hybrid is that
5% my cryings and blah blahs
erst some people tryin to be helpful lmao
My last will and things to say before i die:

it s probably sb16 and spruance as maf since their claim is bad (not sb16's but he might be consort still) imo with voss/ptb/otaku being merlin

i dunno otaku/voss/ptb might be cultish thing or maf as well
The game is 10/4/2 measn 10 town 4 maf 2 neutral evils as teamed OR 10 town 3 maf 2 neu evils 1 neu killing
10 town is prolly seperated as 4 Vanillias 3 TPR 1 Merlin 1 Mayor 1 Arthur(ml)
1 neu killing is arso with instant kill as like sk
2 neu evils;
In case No Neu killing: Their leader can kill with fire or some kind of magic and the member doing some kind of action
In case of Neu Killing: They can only recruit or do various of actions probably NI to detection (i don t think so but it s a possiblty) or their leader is NI (still a possiblity)

I suspect SB16 and Spruıance cause of their derp claims PTB no claim says he is town probably scum
The one who has pushed me except Voss is confirmed town. Listen to them.
Voss is either merlin, vanililia or scum 33% chance

That's all i got to say GLHF

You know it's 100% impossible for me to be Merlin since I replaced this slot. Meaning the person who had it did not do a night action, and Merlin visited someone last night so...

And I was replaced in 5 mins before the thread opened just so you all know.

[Voss]

Because my feedback specifically told me so, as I said. Dunno why it did but it did.

just two possible explanations to that: i was going to see if the setup had any information about feedback being corruptible, or maybe merlin attempted to visit noctiz, but failed. maybe it'll depend on the exact text RLVG got. I'm not defending SB, and I'd still be down to lynch him. Just voicing some possible alternative outcomes.

[Voss]

You know it's 100% impossible for me to be Merlin since I replaced this slot. Meaning the person who had it did not do a night action, and Merlin visited someone last night so...

And I was replaced in 5 mins before the thread opened just so you all know.

as right as you might be, I'm not a fan of this being used as evidence.

[NoctiZ]

just two possible explanations to that: i was going to see if the setup had any information about feedback being corruptible, or maybe merlin attempted to visit noctiz, but failed. maybe it'll depend on the exact text RLVG got. I'm not defending SB, and I'd still be down to lynch him. Just voicing some possible alternative outcomes.

I'd be surprised if Merlin failed at visiting me. Like, what reason could there be? If anything it'd be SB's visit that could fail if Merlin visited me but then I would expect feedback for SB that'd tell him about a failed visit or finding me in a strange dimension.. which is why I asked him about knowing for sure that he's the cause of the strange dimension.

The posts of SB I quoted earlier and where I asked him questions combined with my new conclusion just make me think very strongly that he is Merlin. Now we do not HAVE TO lynch him but I don't see any reasons to keep him alive in that case, either.

If there are arguments that can convince me he's not Merlin and actually town then we can let him live but his contributions this whole game feel like they fit the neutral spot very well.

[NoctiZ]

Just to get some discussion in here: I will go back to Hybrid if we cannot agree on SB being Merlin which is alright, it's a new thought after all. Lynching a potential scum might be of higher priority. It'd be good if we could discuss scum suspects so people know who to shoot this night and if we could get discussion regarding SB = Merlin that'd also be nice.

My scum suspects include wido, Goatse, Mr.Stole. Rachyl too tbh but we should lynch her if we want to be rid of her in that case. SB16 as neutral.

[Voss]

I'd be surprised if Merlin failed at visiting me. Like, what reason could there be? If anything it'd be SB's visit that could fail if Merlin visited me but then I would expect feedback for SB that'd tell him about a failed visit or finding me in a strange dimension.. which is why I asked him about knowing for sure that he's the cause of the strange dimension.

The posts of SB I quoted earlier and where I asked him questions combined with my new conclusion just make me think very strongly that he is Merlin. Now we do not HAVE TO lynch him but I don't see any reasons to keep him alive in that case, either.

If there are arguments that can convince me he's not Merlin and actually town then we can let him live but his contributions this whole game feel like they fit the neutral spot very well.

There's no reason to expect "feedback for SB that'd tell him about a failed visit or finding [you] in a strange dimension" in this setup. That's just an expectation from other games. And grounds for killing him fall on "Information #5" from the setup, if he's neutral merlin, and not a town merlin. like it

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[NoctiZ]

There's no reason to expect "feedback for SB that'd tell him about a failed visit or finding [you] in a strange dimension" in this setup. That's just an expectation from other games. And grounds for killing him fall on "Information #5" from the setup, if he's neutral merlin, and not a town merlin. like it

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Oh true, I always forget that part #5. That'd be a good reason. Then Merlin would be a priority lynch again.

[NoctiZ]

There's no reason to expect "feedback for SB that'd tell him about a failed visit or finding [you] in a strange dimension" in this setup. That's just an expectation from other games. And grounds for killing him fall on "Information #5" from the setup, if he's neutral merlin, and not a town merlin. like it

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Also I submitted too quickly, I wanted to address that part about expectations: Actually those expectations are from my feedback. Like why the hell would I be told that no one else visited me that night? That to me seemed like this game loves giving feedback for weird interactions and visiting me while I'm in a strange dimension? Seems fitting tbh.

[widomakr]

I agree with everything except the highlighted. I agree its not ruled out. I can see that there is potential for two role blockers. But I think its more likely that SB is a RBing Merlin, rather than having 2 separate role blockers running around. I'm pursuing this topic because I don't know how you're drawing this conclusion. Or I'm misunderstanding something.

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@widomakr I saw you about, can you take the unholy item? It'll help see what the unholy item does with a control group of PTB (assuming his power is legit)

-But Unholy Item

[Voss]

-But Unholy Item

@widomakr

I'd put it in green, and correctly spell out buy. just being safe here. not sure how anal DW is

[NoctiZ]

Alright so day ends in 3 hours. I will not be around for 3h, maybe an hour at most depending on how heated it gets in here lol. It'd be good if we can settle on someone early that I can park my vote on. A lynch that we won't regret basically. That'd probably be Hybrid, right? Seems like a safe bet to me.

Let's hope others show up soon and can chime in on current matters.

[PowersThatBe]

imo lynch hybrid and sj shoot sb or one of the other targets if he feels strongly.

I'm also not opposed to a sb lynch. I should be here for EOD, so lemme know kiddos.

[Hybrid]

Alright so day ends in 3 hours. I will not be around for 3h, maybe an hour at most depending on how heated it gets in here lol. It'd be good if we can settle on someone early that I can park my vote on. A lynch that we won't regret basically. That'd probably be Hybrid, right? Seems like a safe bet to me.

Let's hope others show up soon and can chime in on current matters.

You will regret <.<

[PowersThatBe]

actually thinking about it, sb could have rb ability which would stop sj.

So.

-vote stealthbomber16

[Voss]

-vote stealthbomber16

[Voss]

i'm around to switch to goatse or rachyl, also viable lynches

[GoatseOntheCupboard]

i'm around to switch to goatse or rachyl, also viable lynches

Hello just reminding u all that I'm here and would love to Lynch one of these 2 town power roles (^-:

Voss is scum btw, and hybrid won't die tonight btw, noobs getting played

[Forum Mafia GM]

buy Magical Tracking Charm

@NoctiZ , if you mind getting the other one.

A Magical Tracking Charm will be given to Voss at night start.

Gun, Suit of Armor, Healing Herb, Magical Tracking Charm, and Unholy Item remain.

Sure, I agree with your list.

Not sure if I can buy already without announcement but it should work so I'll just do it.

Buy Magical Tracking Charm

A Magical Tracking Charm will be given to NoctiZ at night start.

Gun, Suit of Armor, Healing Herb and Unholy Item remain.

Buy Gun

HONEYS I'M HOME ^^

A Gun will be given to Superjack at night start.

Suit of Armor, Healing Herb and Unholy Item remain.

-But Unholy Item

An Unholy Item will be given to widomakr at night start.

Suit of Armor and Healing Herb remain.

[Forum Mafia GM]

@widomakr
not sure how anal DW is

I am consisted of exactly 4.71% asshole.

[GoatseOntheCupboard]

Buy Suit of Armor

[Voss]

@Rachyl take the suit of armor

[Voss]

Buy Suit of Armor

NO.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Buy Suit of Armor

A Suit of Armor will be given to GoatseOntheCupboard at night start.

Healing Herb remain.

[Voss]

gdi, @Stealthbomber16 @Mr.StoleUrGurl , one of you take the herb so rachyl can get the suit.

[PowersThatBe]

gdi, @Stealthbomber16 @Mr.StoleUrGurl , one of you take the herb so rachyl can get the suit.

why do you want rachyl to get the suit if you wanna lynch her? Why not push for her lynch instead of pushing for her to get the suit?

[PowersThatBe]

Hello just reminding u all that I'm here and would love to Lynch one of these 2 town power roles (^-:

Voss is scum btw, and hybrid won't die tonight btw, noobs getting played

EXPLAIN THYSELF

[Voss]

why do you want rachyl to get the suit if you wanna lynch her? Why not push for her lynch instead of pushing for her to get the suit?

i don't want rachyl to get night killed.

[PowersThatBe]

i don't want rachyl to get night killed.

you realize arthur could just shoot her and take the grail right? Since he has a gun?

[NoctiZ]

Goatse is a scummy shit but he sure is a funny one. Made me laugh not gonna lie LOL. So annoying though. Not sure what to do with him. Perfectly reasonable lynch if you ask me but can one man be that intentionally useless and still be scum? Probably. We'll have to discuss this at some point.

EXPLAIN THYSELF

He won't.

i don't want rachyl to get night killed.

This. Important. Otherwise Morgan might get all powered up.

[NoctiZ]

you realize arthur could just shoot her and take the grail right? Since he has a gun?

That might actually work, yes. But how's the OoO for gun shots at the same time? Probably randomized. Seems risky.

[Voss]

you realize arthur could just shoot her and take the grail right? Since he has a gun?

who knows anything about OoO. I'm trying to play things safe. rachyl gets the vest. rlvg shoots someone else.

[GoatseOntheCupboard]

EXPLAIN THYSELF

Nvm, scum wouldn't name 2 town power roles as their Lynch options unless it was bad scum, and Voss isn't bad

If you want scum to die, Lynch them. Don't hope that your night shit will kill them, or you will have SJ screaming HYBRID IS NIGHT IMMUNE, I GOT ROLEBLOCKED, I WAS WITCHED etc
SJ knows this too because he is a mod pro. Therefore hybrid will not die, because SJ and hybrid are scum fake triple bussing each other

[GoatseOntheCupboard]

I'm going to flip TWO coins and if both of them are heads, or both of them are tails I will try to take the grail. Rachul needs either a vest or heals

[NoctiZ]

Nvm, scum wouldn't name 2 town power roles as their Lynch options unless it was bad scum, and Voss isn't bad

If you want scum to die, Lynch them. Don't hope that your night shit will kill them, or you will have SJ screaming HYBRID IS NIGHT IMMUNE, I GOT ROLEBLOCKED, I WAS WITCHED etc
SJ knows this too because he is a mod pro. Therefore hybrid will not die, because SJ and hybrid are scum fake triple bussing each other

Why would such a claim be unbelievable in a setup with this boatload of night actions that we seem to have at the moment?

I'm going to flip TWO coins and if both of them are heads, or both of them are tails I will try to take the grail. Rachul needs either a vest or heals

Yeah, wonder why she hasn't gotten a vest by now already..

[GoatseOntheCupboard]

Why would you want to night kill a guy you think is scum in such a save is my question.

[NoctiZ]

Why would you want to night kill a guy you think is scum in such a save is my question.

You realize that a big part of what we've been discussing right now is which scum to lynch, right? We can't lynch them all at once. So it's between people like Hybrid or SB or you or Mr.Stole or wid or Rachyl. My main lynch targets for today would be Hybrid vs SB though and we can only lynch one of them. With SB we can eliminate a roleblocker which opens up people to use their guns tonight. With Hybrid we have unknown benefits if we lynch him over SB.

As of right now, if you ask me, they're both gonna have to die and they will. Question is when and in which order.

[NoctiZ]

Alright so it's time for me to head to bed soon and we have 1 1/2h left in the day. I see following possibilites:

1. Make sure Hybrid is dead by lynching him. During the night every gun holder gets to pick among their suspects. SJ shoots SB16. All's well in the world.
2. Make sure Hybrid is dead by lynching him. SJ attempts to shoot, doesn't matter if he wants to shoot SB16 or someone else, but he gets roleblocked. Probably lynch SB16 the next day. Not sure if preferrable. Also who knows what will happen this night, probably a lot of interference all around.
3. Make sure Hybrid is dead by lynching him. SJ doesn't get roleblocked and shoots someone else. SB16 remains alive. Not sure if preferrable.

4. Make sure SB16 is dead by lynching him. SJ shoots Hybrid. Possibly no roleblocker left but someone with a herb might heal. Really doubtful, instant scum association between herb healers and Hybrid. Will create confusion and opens up mislynch potential among herb users. Probably unlikely scenario.
5. Make sure SB16 is dead by lynching him. SJ shoots Hybrid. Hybrid dies. All's well in the world.
6. Make sure SB16 is dead by lynching him. SJ shoots someone else. Weird but okay. Hybrid escapes another day. Will he get lynched for D3 finally? Who knows. Seems like an eh scenario.



Not seeing anything else. Now that I typed this up I'm not actually sure what I wanted to show with this. So sleepy.. I'm also not exactly sure how probable every scenario is.

I think my point is this:
Lynching SB16 will allow more actions to be made at night. Shooting Hybrid will therefore be easier.
Lynching Hybrid will finally remove someone who's been pegged as scum since basically D1. But shooting SB16 might be prevented by SB16 himself and delay that whole debacle to D3. Not preferrable in my opinion.

So SB16 lynch should be the one we're going for today. That's my conclusion.

[Otakudweeb69]

I am down for lynching stealth today; one of the main reasons simply being his lack of rp text when he explained his role-- I expected something medieval in there I dunno might just be an ass about it. I would say something about the dimension not allowing anyone to interact with him but then there's the whole not knowing if you receive feedback part

Still not going to bump voss to a town lean, I'll put him null at best-- scumhunting and information contribution to town is relatively low, all the item stuff is NAI

Will miss EOD, so I will vote stealth if he's not at L-3 yet

I plan on inviting hybrid for a ride in my catapult should stealth be our lynch; sure he can refuse it but yaknow I want to know what the heck it is i do

Unrelated:
@Stealthbomber16 xoch & Emma wanted you to come with us to Buntyn's during TBT to practice all region tmrw

[Otakudweeb69]

L-2* and since he isn't

-vote stealthbomber16

If EOD is after 9 which I don't think it is, then I might be here

[NoctiZ]

Alright I'll be officially out now. Won't be here before day ends.

Otaku, keep in mind that your action might be wasted if you ask Hybrid as he's likely to die tonight..

New Post: Day ends in nearly exactly 1h IIRC.

[Otakudweeb69]

I do NOT take an item today right? I'll be gone for a driving lesson now, cya

[Otakudweeb69]

Very well I'll use it on... Voss, no obligation to accept my catapult ride

[Voss]

I am down for lynching stealth today; one of the main reasons simply being his lack of rp text when he explained his role-- I expected something medieval in there I dunno might just be an ass about it. I would say something about the dimension not allowing anyone to interact with him but then there's the whole not knowing if you receive feedback part

Still not going to bump voss to a town lean, I'll put him null at best-- scumhunting and information contribution to town is relatively low, all the item stuff is NAI

Will miss EOD, so I will vote stealth if he's not at L-3 yet

I plan on inviting hybrid for a ride in my catapult should stealth be our lynch; sure he can refuse it but yaknow I want to know what the heck it is i do

Unrelated:
@Stealthbomber16 xoch & Emma wanted you to come with us to Buntyn's during TBT to practice all region tmrw

don't mess with hybrid. let SJ shoot him.

Can we all please wait on hammering so rachyl can get the vest?

and otaku, i'm debating asking you to get the healing, so rachyl can be around for the vest

[PowersThatBe]

if rachyl doesnt get vest, just use herb on her. Really simple.

[Stealthbomber16]

WHAT THE FU-

Hold up. I'll post my defense.

I'm not a fan of this huge ass turbo lynch which appeared while I was out.