S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread

[Marshmallow Marshall]

This whole conversation is a waste of space and just cluttering the thread =( just give us one big post with a serious case. Not a thousand posts with one or two lines that don't make sense. You're far from new, and yet you refuse to change what is obviously wrong in your approach after being called out on it countless times. @Light_Yagami

If you do not do this, as much as I townread you, I'm going to fucking vote you into oblivion and throw you into a squirrel tree >=O you are a nuisance to this town as of now.
And if you shitpost again and reply with a fluffy useless picture like you did to Sen recently, I Will Vote You And I Will Kill You.

[Sen]

Heh It Always Seems That Way Doesnt It.. Till You Look Beneath The Surface Level..

What you try to say: I'm playing 14d chess and all of my moves have a million ulterior motives that you puny humans could never begin to understand.

What it actually means: I'm talking out of my ass and thus I need to speak in elementary school level riddles to hide the fact that I can't back up a single one of my empty claims.

Boring. Next.

[Ganelon]

Light you’re not exactly easy to talk to either, you’re not helping it.

[Light_Yagami]

If you do not do this, as much as I townread you, I'm going to fucking vote you into oblivion and throw you into a squirrel tree >=O you are a nuisance to this town as of now.
And if you shitpost again and reply with a fluffy useless picture like you did to Sen recently, I Will Vote You And I Will Kill You.

Then Do It Now..

[Ganelon]

......

[Light_Yagami]

Its Better To Die On Your Feet Rather Then On Your Knees.

[Light_Yagami]

Light you’re not exactly easy to talk to either, you’re not helping it.

You Are Right I Am Instigating It..

[BananaCucho]

This whole conversation is a waste of space and just cluttering the thread =( just give us one big post with a serious case. Not a thousand posts with one or two lines that don't make sense. You're far from new, and yet you refuse to change what is obviously wrong in your approach after being called out on it countless times. @Light_Yagami

Naw theres nothing wrong with his play. Boo on you

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Dude, this is actually mean what the hell lol

Replying with only fluff and flooding the thread, making everyone waste time and efforts, and hurting his team (if he actually is town) is what's actually mean. He isn't unaware that something is wrong: he gets lynched all the time over it. I would like that to change, for the Town's sake and for his own. How else would you want to approach that situation? By addressing his shitposting? I refuse to go there, and would rather make it a "save the game" policy of getting rid of him if he doesn't stop being anti-town.
If he's scum, well then lynching him will only do good anyway. Do you disagree with that?

[BananaCucho]

Replying with only fluff and flooding the thread, making everyone waste time and efforts, and hurting his team (if he actually is town) is what's actually mean. He isn't unaware that something is wrong: he gets lynched all the time over it. I would like that to change, for the Town's sake and for his own. How else would you want to approach that situation? By addressing his shitposting? I refuse to go there, and would rather make it a "save the game" policy of getting rid of him if he doesn't stop being anti-town.
If he's scum, well then lynching him will only do good anyway. Do you disagree with that?

Yeah but you're pushing "play like I play or I'll PL you" which is lame

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Then Do It Now..

-vote Light_Yagami

[Light_Yagami]

Replying with only fluff and flooding the thread, making everyone waste time and efforts, and hurting his team (if he actually is town) is what's actually mean. He isn't unaware that something is wrong: he gets lynched all the time over it. I would like that to change, for the Town's sake and for his own. How else would you want to approach that situation? By addressing his shitposting? I refuse to go there, and would rather make it a "save the game" policy of getting rid of him if he doesn't stop being anti-town.
If he's scum, well then lynching him will only do good anyway. Do you disagree with that?

None Of It Is Fluff.. Jesus You Must Be Blind.

[Ganelon]

Replying with only fluff and flooding the thread, making everyone waste time and efforts, and hurting his team (if he actually is town) is what's actually mean. He isn't unaware that something is wrong: he gets lynched all the time over it. I would like that to change, for the Town's sake and for his own. How else would you want to approach that situation? By addressing his shitposting? I refuse to go there, and would rather make it a "save the game" policy of getting rid of him if he doesn't stop being anti-town.
If he's scum, well then lynching him will only do good anyway. Do you disagree with that?

I think you’re exaggerating. I don’t think Light deserves a policy lynch over something like this. It’s not like he’s deliberately been toxic like EEfe is... I mean sometimes he is but I don’t think that shows in FM for the most part...

[Light_Yagami]

-vote Light_Yagami

I Appreciate Your Vote Of Confidence..

[Ganelon]

being* not been. Fuck spelling

[Light_Yagami]

I Really Think Marshmallow Marshall Is Voting Me Because I Called Him Out For Being Serial Killer To Be Honest And The Fact I Havent Given Up On That Position Since Earlier Posts..

[Ganelon]

I guess in a normal game you’d say that Light is not in a team with MM after that.
In a normal game this would almost certainly confirm MM as town, bc scum don’t say that kinda nasty shit about someone lmao

[Sen]

None Of It Is Fluff.. Jesus You Must Be Blind.

"X is scum, but I won't elaborate."

"I roleclaimed, but noone can see it."

"My posts look like spam, but there's more beneath the surface."

"None of it is fluff, but I won't go into detail".

There's two possibilities here: either everything you post is useless fluff, or everyone but you is too stupid to make any sense of it. In any event, it should be clear that noone is getting it. Does that benefit the town in any way? Of course it doesn't. So you're either dumb or scum.

Elaborate now or I'll hang you tomorrow, and no amount of screaming about everyone else being blind and you being a secret misunderstood genius will save you.

[BananaCucho]

I Really Think Marshmallow Marshall Is Voting Me Because I Called Him Out For Being Serial Killer To Be Honest And The Fact I Havent Given Up On That Position Since Earlier Posts..

He's Still Salty That You Neutered Him Last Game

[Ganelon]

I Really Think Marshmallow Marshall Is Voting Me Because I Called Him Out For Being Serial Killer To Be Honest And The Fact I Havent Given Up On That Position Since Earlier Posts..

In no way shape or form is MM evil. Evils don’t push town like that, and he basically said he would lynch you even though he thought you were town.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Yeah but you're pushing "play like I play or I'll PL you" which is lame

we were on the verge of policy lynching/AFK lynching/anti-town-player lynching Renegade and Ceko for doing similar things earlier. The difference here is that he makes himself a center of attention, which then generates literal hundreds of posts that every player, of any alignment, can make: "Hey, this doesn't work because X Y Z. Do you think..." or "No, not really" or "contribute more please". All of this happened, and all of this gave nothing but more flood.

As for that accusation, not really... I admire people who play in a way that's not mine when it works to some extent, and this includes you and your "alliance" stuff lol. But unless you see an advantage I do not see in his playstyle, I will keep this opinion. It's not a question of "he doesn't play like me", but a question of "he doesn't help town". I can be wrong of course, but I doubt I am; feel free to prove me wrong.
Am I really that mean for saying that Someone Who Posts A Ton Of Pictures And Very Little Content And A Lot Of Fluff is anti-town, and that consistent strongly anti-town players should be lynched?

[Light_Yagami]

"X is scum, but I won't elaborate."

"I roleclaimed, but noone can see it."

"My posts look like spam, but there's more beneath the surface."

"None of it is fluff, but I won't go into detail".

There's two possibilities here: either everything you post is useless fluff, or everyone but you is too stupid to make any sense of it. In any event, it should be clear that noone is getting it. Does that benefit the town in any way? Of course it doesn't. So you're either dumb or scum.

Elaborate now or I'll hang you tomorrow, and no amount of screaming about everyone else being blind and you being a secret misunderstood genius will save you.

Thats Fine Kill Me Then.. Put Me Up Oh Wait You Already Are Voting Me Since I Originally Pointed Out Your All Rise When The King Enters Post.. More Then Once.. Now.. First Time Was With A Song..

[Light_Yagami]

Well You Were U Even Double Voted Me Sen

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I think you’re exaggerating. I don’t think Light deserves a policy lynch over something like this. It’s not like he’s deliberately been toxic like EEfe is... I mean sometimes he is but I don’t think that shows in FM for the most part...

He's not toxic here, that's true... and toxicity is literally forbidden in games. That doesn't mean the rest of things isn't an issue, does it? Also, I'm ready to go backwards and unvote him anytime if he actually replies with something that is not "You Are A Snake" or "You Are SK", etc.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

"X is scum, but I won't elaborate."

"I roleclaimed, but noone can see it."

"My posts look like spam, but there's more beneath the surface."

"None of it is fluff, but I won't go into detail".

There's two possibilities here: either everything you post is useless fluff, or everyone but you is too stupid to make any sense of it. In any event, it should be clear that noone is getting it. Does that benefit the town in any way? Of course it doesn't. So you're either dumb or scum.

Elaborate now or I'll hang you tomorrow, and no amount of screaming about everyone else being blind and you being a secret misunderstood genius will save you.

You have my full support and agreement on this topic. That being said, I look forward to next day to be able to read you; your posts have been good, but could very well be made by any alignment. I like your style, though.
I'm curious, do you still scumread Superjack?

[Light_Yagami]

He's not toxic here, that's true... and toxicity is literally forbidden in games. That doesn't mean the rest of things isn't an issue, does it? Also, I'm ready to go backwards and unvote him anytime if he actually replies with something that is not "You Are A Snake" or "You Are SK", etc.

So You Are Saiyan Because I Believe You Could Be Scum And Have Said So Early On.. As With Sen.. I Cant Say It The Way I Want or How I Want?

[Sen]

Thats Fine Kill Me Then

I will. Also, just for future notes, he was never able to say a single thing about my contributions -which he was calling out while thinking I was away, the poor thing-, let alone build a case against me after saying that I'm the Cult Leader.

[Sen]

I'm curious, do you still scumread Superjack?

I haven't scumread him this game. I just wanted to put a stop to what I saw as a hindrance. I can elaborate about it way later. Not now, because WIFOM™.

[Light_Yagami]

I will. Also, just for future notes, he was never able to say a single thing about my contributions -which he was calling out while thinking I was away, the poor thing-, let alone build a case against me after saying that I'm the Cult Leader.

Dude Its Been Like 15 Minutes What You Looking For An ISO.. Because I Could Potentially Build A Damning Case Against Anyone.. Not That Anyone Would Listen To It..

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Thats Fine Kill Me Then.. Put Me Up Oh Wait You Already Are Voting Me Since I Originally Pointed Out Your All Rise When The King Enters Post.. More Then Once.. Now.. First Time Was With A Song..

I wonder why a Jester King would put so much time and energy trying to read you accurately (or looking like it) and trying to help you, though. Maybe he just is really nice xD

[Sen]

Dude Its Been Like 15 Minutes What You Looking For An ISO.. Because I Could Potentially Build A Damning Case Against Anyone.. Not That Anyone Would Listen To It..

Sure thing, kiddo. "I could, but I won't, but I could". I just summarized everything you've done this game.

Go eat some dirt or something and come back once you finally decide to use words to say something, rather than cluttering the page while pretending to contribute. You're just boring me at this point.

[BananaCucho]

Sure thing, kiddo. "I could, but I won't, but I could". I just summarized everything you've done this game.

Go eat some dirt or something and come back once you finally decide to use words to say something, rather than cluttering the page while pretending to contribute. You're just boring me at this point.

lol I remember when games were 90% posts like this. Different era for sure

[Marshmallow Marshall]

So You Are Saiyan Because I Believe You Could Be Scum And Have Said So Early On.. As With Sen.. I Cant Say It The Way I Want or How I Want?

You can say it, you're allowed to be wrong. What you cannot do is expect not to get lynched if you do not back it up with a logical case. You and the rest of the players in this game apparently do not have the same definition of a logical case, by the way, so I'll clarify: what's expected is that you give reasons that have some reference in the thread and that you explain the links you make between the posts or the events (night feedback, kills, etc.) and the alignment of the player you're making a case on. By "alignment", I mean "town or scum", since it's not really possible to know which exact scum role people are at the moment. You are not obligated to make it a long wallpost, only a post giving an hypothesis based on thread facts, even if it is not necessarily right. Then, we can actually analyze what you say and be convinced by it. That's all I'm asking for.

[Light_Yagami]

Sure thing, kiddo. "I could, but I won't, but I could". I just summarized everything you've done this game.

Go eat some dirt or something and come back once you finally decide to use words to say something, rather than cluttering the page while pretending to contribute. You're just boring me at this point.

I Never Said I Wouldnt..

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I will. Also, just for future notes, he was never able to say a single thing about my contributions -which he was calling out while thinking I was away, the poor thing-, let alone build a case against me after saying that I'm the Cult Leader.

Light_Yagami, my request would solve that.

I haven't scumread him this game. I just wanted to put a stop to what I saw as a hindrance. I can elaborate about it way later. Not now, because WIFOM™.

Alright.

[Sen]

lol I remember when games were 90% posts like this. Different era for sure

Hah. Yeah. Everyone was full aggro during the games. Has it changed too much?

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I guess I'll leave a note here to everyone, which will probably fuck up a bit of my play, but having fun is more important, so whatever: I'll destroy you, insult you at times, definitely call you dumb. I will get under your skin and make you slip, because I eat scum for breakfast. It's not personal; I'm attacking your in-game character, not you. I love you all. (:

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Dude, this is actually mean what the hell lol

Thinking about it, Ganelon's posts reacting to my intervention towards Light are really towny (he could jump on one of us instead) and fit his town meta. I'm getting flashbacks of "This ain't your meta!" posts and it strenghtens my read on him. Welcome to the townreads, which are quite few in this game to be honest. I think you're pretty much alone with Superjack up there, and maybe a tiny bit Banana, but that's just a feeling and it's based on nothing tangible.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hah. Yeah. Everyone was full aggro during the games. Has it changed too much?

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I guess I'll leave a note here to everyone, which will probably fuck up a bit of my play, but having fun is more important, so whatever: I'll destroy you, insult you at times, definitely call you dumb. I will get under your skin and make you slip, because I eat scum for breakfast. It's not personal; I'm attacking your in-game character, not you. I love you all. (:

It's not really destroying your play, since that is kinda assumed for everyone ^^

[Light_Yagami]

Just Think Of A World Where Kira Is Black Listed From Every Game.. That Would Be The Dream..

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Just Think Of A World Where Kira Is Black Listed From Every Game.. That Would Be The Dream..

uh what

Does someone force you to play FM? CALL 911!!!
But if not, then what are you saying lol

[BananaCucho]

FREE KIRA

[BananaCucho]

Tryna put Kira on the Efe list, smh

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Banana why are you whiteknighting Light suddenly? Proud knight in fiery armor, hm?

[secondpassing]

The terrible feedback would still outweigh the ousting of a neut + non recruitment of jesters IMO. But again I don't think a jester king is present, even with Sen's picture.

Doesn't believe Jester King is present. Doesn't believe Sen is Jester King.

??

I'm saying that I do not think Jester King is likely. I have said this several times above if you read my posts, even Yigama responded to them. If there was a jester king (that knew his role and wasn't a lunatic) I see no reason why they wouldn't have revealed when you beckoned to get their win.

Granted, there could still be one that is hidden and even they don't know. I'm not talking about that.

I have not said anything else about what roles I do and do not believe are in the setup. Others discussed the possibility of cult but not me.

So I am not sure where you are getting that I have determined anything about the setup outside of Jester King not being likely -that's a mighty small banana peel for such a large slip for an esteemed vet, no?

Sutle attack on SuperJack's veteran status. This post also lacks an opinion, but has an attack.

So if that is your reasoning for antagonizing me for believing there isn't a jester king, then why did you ask for one to claim in the first place? You do recall that you polled the crowd for jester king claims, right?

Hmmm

Redirection.

Yes I understand that is what he is saying, so why was he asking for Jester King to reveal in the first place then?

Agreed - shouldn't be about me at all.

Sigh. So you don't see how it is confusing that the person who accepts this argument would also simultaneously be the one asking for the jester king to reveal? If you believed this to be the case, why ask at all?

Hmm what? Never done anything about SuperJack after this. Does not continue to prod, and does not vote SuperJack.

Oh good. I always liked charmander as gen 1 starter. GOOFY

You got me there. I should not make that assumption.

A jab at our collective intellect.

Probably both.

Based on the pages of discussion, I am your top target to check? Hm

Of course it's about him.

Unfortunately I agree with this assessment.

A jab at BC and Ganelon's credibility— which is acceptable if he believes BananaCucho or Ganelon to be scum however, he does not follow up on this either.

Why are you SO interested in having me lynched for a single stupid post you didn't like, but totally ignore someone with 8 now 16 TOTAL POSTS?

WHat is your problem? If you think I'm scum, you are wrong

Fixation on his attacker. In light of his other posts, this is mere self-preservation.

Removing my vote from ceko since they claimed.

Still do not understand why secondpassing is singling me out constantly and PAYING NO ATTENTION to anyone else.

What gives? Surely they aren't that stupid of an executioner. Or am I doing the assuming intelligence thing again?

-unvote

A prod at my intellect.

Well, if your mind is apparently already made up that I am scum, why aren't trying to find other scum then? You seem solely focused on a single person, and even if it wasn't me I would say it is irrational and suspicious.

A hypocrite. See context.

A single shit post gets singled out amongst PAGES of SHITPOSTS from others. Regardless I hope people don't put much stock into what second passing has to say. Something strange going on there.

Excusing behavior with the two wrongs makes a right argument.

And so what is your conclusion then?

In response to Varcron, a post that is concerned only with his personal well-being.

((

Quite a defense. He hasn't made a read on Varcron, because in either case, he would be trying to convince Varcron otherwise.

Total fixation on a single player is at best a sign of a bad mafia player and at worst scummy as hell.

You are right, your obsession with me is a huge distraction, but go on.

Doesn't go on himself.

That kind of inflexibility in thinking and hanging on like a pit bull caused town to lose last game, and what, the past 6 apparently?

I think it is because you close your mind to other possibilities, which as town is a huge liability, especially if you are wrong like secondplastic here.

Delusional. I'll look forward to your pop in 3 am crazy posts again tonight.

Another prod at my intellect. Also an awaiting post, hasn't taken the initiative to gather information this game.

Frankly I find second passing super suspicious and until they add more to this than "REN MUST DIE" they have my vote. Enjoy

-vote -secondpassing

wow I messed that up -

-unvote

-vote secondpassing

OMGUS

Cmon folks, let's extract some more from low effort "REN MUST DIE" secondpassing.

Well I think it is either scummy or signs of a bad player. But you do you.

Secondpassing is certainly an experienced player so that is why I lean toward scum. My vote will stand. Just look for their goofy 3 am obsessive posts about me again and hopefully ignore.

You add so much to this game. Truly an amazing d1. What we do without your <20 iwu posts, who knows? Great sherrif I tell you, hopefully you have a solid lead to check tonight! Great job!

Of course he's "going" albeit slightly after necko.

His posts consists only of shade-throwing/attacks on credibility/attacks on "character", which sows distrust in town. A prime goal to slow down our efforts.

Produces opinion on only the least relevant topics, and uses language that indicates he is not open to further discussion about them, nor is taking a forefront and strong stance on them.

Overly concerned about his survival.

[secondpassing]

Why YOU should vote renegade

1. His posts consists only of shade-throwing/attacks on credibility/attacks on "character", which sows distrust in town. A prime goal to slow down our efforts.

2. Produces opinion on only the least relevant topics, and uses language that indicates he is not open to further discussion about them, nor is taking a forefront and strong stance on them.

3. Overly concerned about his survival.

[secondpassing]

Banana why are you whiteknighting Light suddenly? Proud knight in fiery armor, hm?

This behavior is sudden? Been doing it the whole game.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Renegade is quite new: this is his second FM game. In his first game, he was mafia, and he played a completely different game. I admit that he could be simply trying a new style as an evil neutral, though, since his play is scummy. His main crime in all of this is pushing at everyone without ever following up on the pushes. He's just poking everywhere to look like he's scumhunting when he's in fact just creating bad chaos (which is, by the way, the exact thing he denounced earlier, saying that it's why town has been losing all games recently)... I'm very open to lynching him at the moment, but am still waiting on @Light_Yagami 's logical case.

[secondpassing]

I feel just a little bad about all the people who suddenly logged on to read my three posts. It's not 3:00 AM but it is 1:00 AM so you'll have to leave me your thoughts and I will get back to you tomorrow, or maybe I won't be able to go to sleep like yesterday until 2:00AM.

I notice the Light questioning going on. I approve of this sort of thread talk but am also wondering how many times this sort of conversation has been had.

Spoiler : terran :

[secondpassing]

Renegade is quite new: this is his second FM game. In his first game, he was mafia, and he played a completely different game. I admit that he could be simply trying a new style as an evil neutral, though, since his play is scummy. His main crime in all of this is pushing at everyone without ever following up on the pushes. He's just poking everywhere to look like he's scumhunting when he's in fact just creating bad chaos (which is, by the way, the exact thing he denounced earlier, saying that it's why town has been losing all games recently)... I'm very open to lynching him at the moment, but am still waiting on @Light_Yagami 's logical case.

I don't know if you'll ever get a case that is acceptable to you, but okay.
Uh, thanks for the virtual support on renegade?

gn

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why YOU should vote renegade

1. His posts consists only of shade-throwing/attacks on credibility/attacks on "character", which sows distrust in town. A prime goal to slow down our efforts.

2. Produces opinion on only the least relevant topics, and uses language that indicates he is not open to further discussion about them, nor is taking a forefront and strong stance on them.

3. Overly concerned about his survival.

1. Yes.

2. That is bad, but I'm unsure if that is actually scummy or just closed/AFKer behavior.

3. Hmm, he sure begins posting a lot of things when he gets pushed, unlike when he's left alone. But is that a scum tell? Remember that he has the mod's mentality, and that on the mod, spamming things that aren't necessarily right or useful but that are game-related and make you look useful can save you, no matter what your alignment is.

4. The main reason I think he's a good lynch is because he doesn't follow up on his pushes. He pokes at people, he attacks their credibility, but he never ever holds an argument against another player for a long time.

This behavior is sudden? Been doing it the whole game.

The second I called out Light for his poor defense and contribution, he began doing it more. I'm not sure if he had done it before.