S-FM The Cold War III

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You don't understand what I did, right... I did not use my heat simply because I had been to L-1 yesterday. Mafia, by killing me, would 1: waste a kill because they could get my lynch easily today and 2: leave more time to Town (entire D2) to think about who they are because I wouldn't be the lynch. Wasting my heat was useless. I thought they would prefer attacking Fielzanks, an high townread from most people and someone who was, in my opinion, quite obvious TPR (who still didn't want to claim it).

@aamirus it was not assuming anything but the fact I was LHF and Fielzanks was a quite good target for Mafia given his obviousness.

[blinkskater]

Who is "we"? I didn't "get over it"... you're scum.

We as in me and you you scummy scum scum

[DJarJar]

Girl I've been trying to get mm Lynch since the literal start of the game

That is true, definitely leaning towards you being right, but not committing yet

[blinkskater]

@aamirus it was not assuming anything but the fact I was LHF and Fielzanks was a quite good target for Mafia given his obviousness.

Surely you're smart enough to realize you're not lhf after you claim BG / vet

[DJarJar]

...but you had said you were thinking I was cit shielding TPR though S C U M

Right but then you started prancing around as confirmed power, i think this reply is a scum slip

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Lies lies lies if you were interested in protecting yourself you would have used your heat last night if you were indeed BG / vet
You're literally falling apart and contradicting yourself as you speak

Twisting my words on that one... I said I had never CLAIMED for someone else than me, because of the WIFOM I created with my early citizen claim. The goal was people believing I was really cit, not to protect me once I was revealed (else it makes no sense, and it's what your post implies)

[DJarJar]

I never tried to shild for anyone but myself with my claims lol (out of the castro one to out the real one)

Why do you want to protect yourself when you are a vet?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Right but then you started prancing around as confirmed power, i think this reply is a scum slip

Because it's what I am (or was, since that scum just cc'd and you seem to be believe him )

[DJarJar]

In the world where Mafia have a consort and a mass roleblock action, maybe?

You didn’t use this in your explanation of why you bged fielz tho

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why do you want to protect yourself when you are a vet?

I'm not a "vet" though. I can be roleblocked with ease. And if you didn't notice, there are 4 fucking things that can RB me: Town escort, Mafia consort, Stalin and Mafia heat action. I only stop attackers. And I am mainly a BG, so of course I don't want Mafia to know I am BG. It's not about protecting "myself" but my identity, yes in order to protect myself so I can be an effective BG.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You didn’t use this in your explanation of why you bged fielz tho

It wasn't an explaination of why I BG'd fielz but me stating my night action tho :P I didn't know you guys would be dumb enough to follow the obvious scum...

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@Lenneth what do you think about all this? @Magoroth idem

[DJarJar]

Twisting my words on that one... I said I had never CLAIMED for someone else than me, because of the WIFOM I created with my early citizen claim. The goal was people believing I was really cit, not to protect me once I was revealed (else it makes no sense, and it's what your post implies)

Why do you think you’re more valuable as a bg randomly picking who the mafia might target versus as a vet who could easily bait the mafia in?

[Fielzanks]

In the world where Mafia have a consort and a mass roleblock action, maybe?

Which change nothing since if you get roleblocked you still have your one use since you did not use it (since you were roleblocked)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why do you think you’re more valuable as a bg randomly picking who the mafia might target versus as a vet who could easily bait the mafia in?

Because my "vet" is only a night action, and it only kills attacker, not any mafia who visits me. I can be roleblocked, which changes the "veteran" dynamic a lot. As a BG, I am dissuasive on the most important targets (Fielzanks in this case), and create a WIFOM that reduces Mafia possibilities.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Which change nothing since if you get roleblocked you still have your one use since you did not use it (since you were roleblocked)

Wait, really? @Distorted are heat actions used upon use while being roleblocked?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Which change nothing since if you get roleblocked you still have your one use since you did not use it (since you were roleblocked)

Also it doesn't change nothing since if they roleblock me I still die if I get attacked

[blinkskater]

Because my "vet" is only a night action, and it only kills attacker, not any mafia who visits me. I can be roleblocked, which changes the "veteran" dynamic a lot. As a BG, I am dissuasive on the most important targets (Fielzanks in this case), and create a WIFOM that reduces Mafia possibilities.

Wouldn't it have better to claim like Gulag officer when you are on L1 at the stand then you could have used your heat and baited in a nice kill

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Wouldn't it have better to claim like Gulag officer when you are on L1 at the stand then you could have used your heat and baited in a nice kill

Lie on the stand at L-1? That's more than a LHF for the next day lol... that's literally a throw

[blinkskater]

There's nothing you can do out of that scum mouth of yours that will change my mind I'm going to bed goodnight

[blinkskater]

Lie on the stand at L-1? That's more than a LHF for the next day lol... that's literally a throw

No actually that's a ProVet bait move get good kid

[Marshmallow Marshall]

There's nothing you can do out of that scum mouth of yours that will change my mind I'm going to bed goodnight

Bye scum

[Marshmallow Marshall]

No actually that's a ProVet bait move get good kid

In my eyes it's a throw.

[DJarJar]

I'm not a "vet" though. I can be roleblocked with ease. And if you didn't notice, there are 4 fucking things that can RB me: Town escort, Mafia consort, Stalin and Mafia heat action. I only stop attackers. And I am mainly a BG, so of course I don't want Mafia to know I am BG. It's not about protecting "myself" but my identity, yes in order to protect myself so I can be an effective BG.

So, you need to hide your identity since mafia can roleblock and kill you. Okay. Then you claimed at L-1, okay you got pressured into it NBD. Now they know who you are, so they might as well roleblock and kill you. Okay, so they’re probably roleblocking and killing me so I might as well try to guard Fielz since he seems like town, because if they don’t roleblock they probably wouldn’t risk attacking me.

So, all of that makes sense, but they DID roleblock and didn’t attack you. Why would they do that? You’re saying it was all to frame you?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Now it's my turn to ask questions, scums. @TheGodDavid

Why did you not say ANYTHING while blink was questioning me? Did he tell you to remain silent in night chat?
Why were you so silent all game, how did that help town and why did you not try to give more your thoughts?
If you were to be scum, who would be your scum mates? (I know you're scum, but I want to know your answer.)

[TheGodDavid]

So, all of that makes sense, but they DID roleblock and didn’t attack you. Why would they do that? You’re saying it was all to frame you?

Why would mafia attack naz or fielz (who MM says both have softclaimed TPR) instead of MM who HARDCLAIMED TPR

[DJarJar]

Lie on the stand at L-1? That's more than a LHF for the next day lol... that's literally a throw

Why? You gave good reasons for your fake claims, why can’t you fake claim at L-1 if it’s for good reasons. You could easily explain the next day you were hoping to vet bait.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

So, you need to hide your identity since mafia can roleblock and kill you. Okay. Then you claimed at L-1, okay you got pressured into it NBD. Now they know who you are, so they might as well roleblock and kill you. Okay, so they’re probably roleblocking and killing me so I might as well try to guard Fielz since he seems like town, because if they don’t roleblock they probably wouldn’t risk attacking me.

So, all of that makes sense, but they DID roleblock and didn’t attack you. Why would they do that? You’re saying it was all to frame you?

It was because I was LHF (Low Hanging Fruit if you didn't know), easy lynch basically because I was scumread by most people. Wouldn't be hard to get a lynch on me (Look at what's happening right now), and by not killing me they were 1: getting another kill than me 2: securing another mislynch. Basically, they make town waste 1 day on my mislynch and they get 1 more kill (Naz + me instead of only me). I think that's what they thought.

[DJarJar]

Why would mafia attack naz or fielz (who MM says both have softclaimed TPR) instead of MM who HARDCLAIMED TPR

To push this lynch through as he said

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why would mafia attack naz or fielz (who MM says both have softclaimed TPR) instead of MM who HARDCLAIMED TPR

They didn't soft it (I didn't see it at least), but their behavior was indicating it quite obviously. A soft claim is using words in the intention to point that you're *insert role here*. Behavior indication is simply playing like *insert role here*.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why? You gave good reasons for your fake claims, why can’t you fake claim at L-1 if it’s for good reasons. You could easily explain the next day you were hoping to vet bait.

Nope. I know that by experience, noone believes that, and there's a limit of how scummy you can afford to look like, whatever is your alignment (out of jester of course). Mafia would have had 0 difficulty at pushing a lynch on me if I had lied at L-1, especially with all the WIFOM claims I had before.

[DJarJar]

It was because I was LHF (Low Hanging Fruit if you didn't know), easy lynch basically because I was scumread by most people. Wouldn't be hard to get a lynch on me (Look at what's happening right now), and by not killing me they were 1: getting another kill than me 2: securing another mislynch. Basically, they make town waste 1 day on my mislynch and they get 1 more kill (Naz + me instead of only me). I think that's what they thought.

Buyable. Obviously one of you or David is lying but I’m not sold on which.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Nope. I know that by experience, noone believes that, and there's a limit of how scummy you can afford to look like, whatever is your alignment (out of jester of course). Mafia would have had 0 difficulty at pushing a lynch on me if I had lied at L-1, especially with all the WIFOM claims I had before.

Basically, there are some strategies you cannot use as Town because it's simply too ballsy and unlikely to be seen as true, and lying at L-1 is part of them.

[DJarJar]

They didn't soft it (I didn't see it at least), but their behavior was indicating it quite obviously. A soft claim is using words in the intention to point that you're *insert role here*. Behavior indication is simply playing like *insert role here*.

I believe fielz straight up said he was town power yesterday and even @ed me with it. Naz I think just said she was town

[TheGodDavid]

Now it's my turn to ask questions, scums. @TheGodDavid
Why did you not say ANYTHING while blink was questioning me? Did he tell you to remain silent in night chat?

I wasn't there when he was questioning you, I think I was playing P A R A S I T E : T E S T on SC2 while leaving the thread open on my browser xd and Im not scum so he can't communicate with me

Why were you so silent all game, how did that help town and why did you not try to give more your thoughts?

It's my first game and I did try to give my thoughts when I had any.
I also posted a theory about MM + Fielz at the start of Day 2 explaining why I thought they were mafia. Noting that with the global roleblock, they did not choose to kill you, who hardclaimed BG. I was wrong about Fielz though, but It seems I was right about you.

If you were to be scum, who would be your scum mates? (I know you're scum, but I want to know your answer.)

I'm not scum so Idk

[DJarJar]

Basically, there are some strategies you cannot use as Town because it's simply too ballsy and unlikely to be seen as true, and lying at L-1 is part of them.

Hmm, I don’t believe that, I think it depends on the roles

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Buyable. Obviously one of you or David is lying but I’m not sold on which.

Well, you got time to make your decision, we ain't lynching anyone before many hours anyway. Since we got these hours, I want @Magoroth @yzb25 @Lenneth @Dunna @Unknown1234 and whoever didn't take part to the debate that I might have forgotten to expose their views. It is NECESSARY to do so in order to know who is the last scummate in david - blink - ????. Any refusal to do so will result in an high scum read and a lynch at the end of the game, so make sure you answer.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I believe fielz straight up said he was town power yesterday and even @ed me with it. Naz I think just said she was town

Wow really? I actually missed nearly 1k posts while I was sleeping once so lol... maybe I missed that part :P

[Fielzanks]

They didn't soft it (I didn't see it at least), but their behavior was indicating it quite obviously. A soft claim is using words in the intention to point that you're *insert role here*. Behavior indication is simply playing like *insert role here*.

I totally claimed it. And I totally acted like it, with the confidence of an alpha male

[blinkskater]

Basically, there are some strategies you cannot use as Town because it's simply too ballsy and unlikely to be seen as true, and lying at L-1 is part of them.

Okay skimmed over this quick before I laid down and had to comment completely trash completely irrelevant you can use whatever strategies you want as Town how would they know you're lying at L1 you could have said anything tpr would have been fine Jailer would have been fine any tpr would have worked to use that as a vet bait

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I wasn't there when he was questioning you, I think I was playing P A R A S I T E : T E S T on SC2 while leaving the thread open on my browser xd and Im not scum so he can't communicate with me


It's my first game and I did try to give my thoughts when I had any.
I also posted a theory about MM + Fielz at the start of Day 2 explaining why I thought they were mafia. Noting that with the global roleblock, they did not choose to kill you, who hardclaimed BG. I was wrong about Fielz though, but It seems I was right about you.



I'm not scum so Idk

Lol, the game is literally going to end and you go play parasite??? That's not how a townie who found a scum would behave :P

Hm, so you just didn't care much about the game? Also that "theory" was not with any proofs/thoughts supporting that, much arbitrary. You did not even react when I pushed you at some point, lol. Mag reacted more than me, saying I was bull--- WAIT A SECOND. @Magoroth I WANT YOUR READS ON DAVID AS SOON AS YOU GET BACK.

NAI (Not alignment indicative) answer, okay

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I totally claimed it. And I totally acted like it, with the confidence of an alpha male

I didn't see the claim, but I saw the confidence though lol it was quite obvious it's what made me guard you as I said

[DJarJar]

Only thing is, let’s say mafia made up this plan to get you mislynched today.
So then we got 5 town 3 mafia and 1 SK going into tonight with two of the mafia confirmed (blink and David). The Sk I imagine kills 1 of them and they kill 2 town. Oh and Trotsky kills 1 of them too. That would be suicidal! then it could easily be 1 mafia 3 town 1 SK tomorrow.

[blinkskater]

Buyable. Obviously one of you or David is lying but I’m not sold on which.

Don't let him get you with that lhf shit not one person had me town read a lot of people had me as their main scummer eats a lot of people wanted to Lynch me I was lhf so was mag he's just a scum that got outed you don't see trains like that on day one get derailed so fast two different times unless one of those scum Mates is getting put up just me speaking from experience LOL

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Okay skimmed over this quick before I laid down and had to comment completely trash completely irrelevant you can use whatever strategies you want as Town how would they know you're lying at L1 you could have said anything tpr would have been fine Jailer would have been fine any tpr would have worked to use that as a vet bait

But on the next day? Also Aamirus you're right, it depends on the role, I actually lie on the stand as BD sometimes because it is easily confirmable. Sadly, I am NOT easily confirmable, so I cannot afford it.

[blinkskater]

Wow really? I actually missed nearly 1k posts while I was sleeping once so lol... maybe I missed that part :P

You seem to have missed a lot of shit you know who selectively reads posts? S C U M

[DJarJar]

Lol, the game is literally going to end and you go play parasite??? That's not how a townie who found a scum would behave :P

Hm, so you just didn't care much about the game? Also that "theory" was not with any proofs/thoughts supporting that, much arbitrary. You did not even react when I pushed you at some point, lol. Mag reacted more than me, saying I was bull--- WAIT A SECOND. @Magoroth I WANT YOUR READS ON DAVID AS SOON AS YOU GET BACK.

NAI (Not alignment indicative) answer, okay

Before Naz died it was possible (as David himself said a few posts back) that you and he were both BGs

[DJarJar]

Don't let him get you with that lhf shit not one person had me town read a lot of people had me as their main scummer eats a lot of people wanted to Lynch me I was lhf so was mag he's just a scum that got outed you don't see trains like that on day one get derailed so fast two different times unless one of those scum Mates is getting put up just me speaking from experience LOL

No, unknown had a theory you were using Naz, other than that which was very short lived I don’t remember you being pushed

[Fielzanks]

Don't let him get you with that lhf shit not one person had me town read a lot of people had me as their main scummer eats a lot of people wanted to Lynch me I was lhf so was mag he's just a scum that got outed you don't see trains like that on day one get derailed so fast two different times unless one of those scum Mates is getting put up just me speaking from experience LOL

I'll look into EoD1 again.

[Fielzanks]

Before Naz died it was possible (as David himself said a few posts back) that you and he were both BGs

With how inactive David was, I find it hardly believable that he found the time to ask Distorted about it. Plus his attitude shifted completely when day 2 started