The two of you should just stop interacting for a bit so the thread doesn't devolve into nothing but dw vs Yagami
Do people just like, copy/paste the search results without any of the formatting?
Jesus how do y'all live with this search function? I was hoping that would be something changed before I came back
Tbh, Varcron whiteknighting Light as scum vs town would make sense if Light is town, but I have doubts; after reading Light's ISO, I realized he was not doing much more or much less than what he usually does: post a ton of either contentless or crappy posts logic-wise (e.g. saying that something "is interesting" and never following up on it, meaningless defenses of "ISO ME OR SHUT UP", etc.). It all comes down to intent behind his posts, and intent is hard to detect when there are so many logical failures in his posts. The skip vote is something unusual for him, though, and I'm happy with my vote atm.
On which reply of mine did you want to wait on, @Light_Yagami ? Couldn't find any question addressed to me in the ISO.
@Light_Yagami if he is confirmed scum in your book:
1: EXPLAIN WHY
2: Vote him
Please try to think beyond your usual game.
Why would town not be eager for a lynch all the time in such a setup, exactly? Also, why did you not put me in that list yet put Banana in? He hasn't really pushed at people so hard, iirc, while I've been advocating for a D1 lynch since the start of the game (and since years in my meta).
Remind me, why do you defend Light so hard, exactly? What did he do to convince you he's town? I know his meta, and I don't see it atm. All he did this game was NAI at best.
I agree with this post to some extent, but not completely; experienced players could very well decide to open-wolf. I just really don't think it's the case here because DWs, Banana and Ganelon are all relatively towny to different extents.
This post gives me bad vibes, though. Renegade seems too confident for a newbie, stating things as if they were obvious. Potential TMI, +scumpoints
MM, I wanted to scumread you, go away
I am not saying town shouldn't be eager for a lynch, I am saying that town is being too eager and not thinking about the possibility of a mislynch. We have nearly a full day left to decide who to lynch.
I was defending Light as in my opinion he was being double teamed by both Ganelon and DW, which looked fairly scummy in my eyes.
Confidence in a new guy isn't necessarily a bad thing, said so by either you or Stealth in my first game.
@Varcron when Light was pushed there was an incredible amount of resistance to his lynch, i’d hardly call that “getting teamed on”. rather, it would seem to be that there’s too many people defending him for no real reason. and I’m saying this as someone who now thinks he may be town.
Here is literally every post Light has made as of 40ish minutes ago.
I'm going to go over it, organize posts into substantial vs not, add contextual quotes where needed, add commentary, and my overall conclusion in the end.
Spoiler : ISO :
What the actual hell is this? Yagami, a very very powerful asset? Not to be mean, but give me ONE SINGLE GAME in which he was a powerful asset, and I'll say publicly the Dark Lord is merely a myth. As for the read on me, ??? out of nowhere, I've given more thoughts and more content than most people in this game, including yourself.
As for the Heartbreaker line, it makes no sense: the loved target would have claimed by now, and it should 100 % be assumed that the Heartbreaker did not act last night, since assuming that a townie would play this badly is basically going into conspiracy theories.
Honestly, this post + the weird perspective post of Varcron that is a potential slip makes him rank #1 in my scum list.-vote Varcron
I also think Light - Varcron is a TvS interaction, so this actually gives indirect town points to Light, although he's still very scummy.
About the Light-Varcron interactions, it's very unlikely that they are scum together; it's just not worth whiteknighting a scum!Light like this from scum!Varcron's point of view. It's also very unlikely that they are both Town, because they are both individually scummy.
More powerful of an asset than me apparently, except that'll be seen when I'm lynched and flipped as town. My perspectives for multiple of my claims over the past few games have not been noticed because they are different than the majority, the thing that irritates me the most is this:
out of the calls made, it always appears that the more experienced are believed more.
Try looking at it through my eyes, it's actually fairly black and white once you get past the theoretical stuff.
We had this same problem with two people being confirmed "really scummy" in our last ladder game. It turned out the two people 100% town read by absolutely EVERYONE were our two scum.
Lol you'll have all the time to do so soon, I probably won't stay that long. I must eat :P
SNAILSSS
This is plurality. We're not gonna hammer early for no reason. It doesn't mean that we can't push at people strongly to make them feel the pressure and to generate meaningful discussion.
You believe Banana to be excluded from that group, now? Why? Also, Light has commited the heinous crime of not being towny to an horrible extent. I don't see how you can blame anyone for pushing him.
There is a difference between a confident townie and a TMI scum. Of course, I can't be 100 % sure on this, but Ren's post looked like the latter. No explainations or thought processes, which is what I would expect from a confident town newbie. Just a quick conclusion.
You do have a point with the highlighted section here, I hadn't thought about that until you mentioned it. I still think we can reletively safely assume he is town for now, I also think that we can assume that you are not scum for the time being along with Ganelon.
Light has absolutely no ability whatsoever to use ethos, and that's one of his main issues in every single game... so no, this is just plain wrong. As for you, you have been quite good in your previous games, so no, not really.
Of course, more experienced people tend to make better cases (at least better at convincing others that they're right), and those will be listened to more. However, this does not relate in any way to what I was talking about; you completely changed the topic. You didn't even address the Heartbreaker part
False. Pringles only got infected as a game-ending move. Only Punchy really tricked us all, and such a thing is very rare, which is why we all congratulated him strongly.
Right, noone is confirmed, but towncoring remains a very valid strategy used on many communities for many games and that can be more efficient than scum hunting at times. Nobody is confirmed scum either atm, and yet we will still scum hunt and lynch our suspects, even though they aren't 100 % confirmed. It's very rare to have confirmations.
But once again, this is COMPLETELY UNRELATED, and you have avoided my questions. You are most likely scum in my eyes, and should probably be lynched at EoD.
btw, I will put the post where you stated that Yagami is a valuable asset in my signature.
There aren’t many facts in the game of mafia, but it’s a FACT that Yagami was not, and is not a valuable asset to town.
i don’t mean this in a mean (heh) way to you Varcron but it’s just... lol
You said this.
You presented it as a general truth, and it's not one. Why are you turning it into a "in this game, he might have been right, who knows?", which is both changing your own narrative and saying words that mean almost nothing?Yagami as town is a very very powerful asset
That train on Vaccuum formed way too quickly for my liking. L-2 wat
3 of my strongest townreads are on it. Might have to re evaluate already hmm