S-FM 245 Which Witch is Which? - GYRLANDER -

[Ganelon]

Hmm... still, why kill Blink? He was inactive... or was that the reason?

[Ganelon]

Ozy, Gyrlander informed us that we are not told how a person died. That word does not imply anything... I hope.

[Gyrlander]

Also: The way of getting killed is totally random and is made for the sake of avoiding "X was killed" monotony.

[OzyWho]

Hmm... still, why kill Blink? He was inactive... or was that the reason?

I remember some talking on Day1 saying that Blink is an expert player. They said something about him soloing last game as evil.
Which in my book means that one of the Scums fears his skill or something?
But there is still MM and Distorted here. I think evil might fear some kind of protectives on them.
Also, Blink saw me as scummy - his death makes me suspicious now.

[OzyWho]

Thinking about it, I feel like his death makes sense kinda.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Yesterday IRL day, I was too busy to get on. I was off for +- 10 hours before EoD and couldn't really show up, even if I tried to (you probably seen me getting on and off) because I really had no time but now I'm here, and I saw something really weird. In 100 posts, the narrative switched from "Marsh is towny" to "Marsh is so scummy" without me posting at all. When I got off, the day chat passed into the hands of OzyWho and Magoroth principally, with Blink behind but not too active. I did absolutely nothing to get suspected more than I was 100 posts before. What the hell happened? I also saw Distorted's posts being... distorted. Not by himself, but by Magoroth. Distorted and Soviet_Love now appear as the most towny people to me, for the following reasons:

Distorted was constantly being used in order to paint people as targets. People said he said things he had not, and said he had not said things he had said... I know there's a lot of "he" and "said" in that, but it's true...

Soviet_Love seemed out of all the weird things and wanted to keep thinking about the setup and giving hypotheses about what would be the kills.

-vote Noz_Bugz

DO NOT FOLLOW THIS VOTE. IT MUST REMAIN UNIQUE SO WE DO NOT PUT HIM AT L-2. IF WE ARE IN A MYLO SITUATION, PUTTING HIM AT L-2 MEANS GG.
Now that this is said, pressure voting nozbugz for reads, thoughts about the setup we're in, thoughts about why Blink died and who would have advantage to see him dead.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

"blinkskater was disintegrated during the night" Does that word not imply MM kill?

"You are told who died but not how." Unless host messed up critically, no it doesn't mean anything.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hmm... still, why kill Blink? He was inactive... or was that the reason?

I think he was the "neutral kill". His death gives really low information to the town. The only thing we can base on is his reads list very close to EoD. And maybe the mass rolecall he wanted to do?

[OzyWho]

You just shitpost day 1

I have no stance atm we need to hear from everyone and any day 1 lynch would b 100% random

Im all for a role claim in this scenario i have nothing to hide im only a mere ctizen

Also id like to state that in my very humble opinion we dont really need a lynch today,

Still doesnt matter, evils will lie TPRs will lie heck even im probally lieing

I believe that a Lynch on day one it's completely random based on the fact that we have no night actions to go off of also if witch successfully kills it would be a 4 V 2 which is still in heavy favor of our town

indeed but like you or distorted before both witches can just spit completely false leads they too and confuse the s*** out of everybody

I made a typo it was supposed to say "like you or distorted said" sorry

Its probally just minimized o. His phone or something lol

The only way to get any information on day 1 is if we get a roleclaim from everyone, yes people will lie but and the vote will still be random but we will have people held accountable for their said claimed roles

And when someone who claimed say "cit" gets lynched per say and flips cit it will narrow down them other cit claims etc etc

Lol quick get the only guy who claimed a role so far

I never disclaimed it i am citizen

Again if we want any reasonable information on day 1 a mass roll claim is the way to go if you want nothing to go off of on day one then don't say a word if you guys want to Lynch me to narrow the citizen pool down then be my guest

There's no other way aside from a role claim to even have any suspects at the moment

Also by roll clamming on day one anytime powers that claim on day two we could have directly contradicting leads which would give us a witch or a town and by not lynching today odds are our day to Lynch would most likely tell us he guaranteed evil or town

Lmao yup u guessed ir and obviously dont know me very well

No lynch but a roll claim imo

Yeah i did and I can see your reasoning for it however if people want actual information from day one then we need to roll claim if not then we don't roll claim fine by me

I also love how every game im actually town im the first suspect

Lol top 3 suspects based off of what? Your post comes off as very talented but what you all fail to realize is that day 1 based off chat any hunches you have on who was bad and it was good throw it out the window okay

Agreed, every game ive played with you i have liked your posts very logical and will be trusting you more and more this game

Heh we have always disagreed on the basics we just have 2 different mindsets

Ok bro what ever you say :P

I was your highest town read last game and I was far from town lol

And every game you scum read me im town so use yah brain here kid

Im reading you as town this game

Also, your large post there was highly informative/relevant and in my opinion spot on everything you said was backed up with logical facts i now trust you above anyone else

After reading posys id also like to think MM is a strong town read for myself

Im trying to catch i just woke i will be posting some thoughts soon

hmm, sorry for the inactivity guys, i have been really busy IRL, i don't know if ill be caughtup for EOD but can anyone summarize things real quick for me?

hm i still have a lot more posts to read, ill post this up real quick before EOD
Townie reads: Distorted, Soviet
Neutral: Noz, Ozy
Scumish: Mag, MM(MM only for the fact that he is just being "helpfull" and not "activly trying to scumhunt" like he usually does strikes me as ODD, also I find it odd he hasn't verbally gone after someone yet for their opinions being, not quite the same as his :P
anyways that's all i got I will be more active, and if there is a doctor, distorded should probally get it

scummmy scum scumish move ozy over to my scumish reads

hmm, i don't think Ozy is new to "FM" so to say, I think that he has played elsewhere, and knows exactly what he is doing

All Blinks messages

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I remember some talking on Day1 saying that Blink is an expert player. They said something about him soloing last game as evil.
Which in my book means that one of the Scums fears his skill or something?
But there is still MM and Distorted here. I think evil might fear some kind of protectives on them.
Also, Blink saw me as scummy - his death makes me suspicious now.

He saw everyone but Distorted as scummy actually... He didn't say anything about noz, but I think he had said something about him earlier in the day.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

All Blinks messages

Oh fuck I know why blink died... it's obvious, dr watson!

Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
Im all for a role claim in this scenario i have nothing to hide im only a mere ctizen

Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
Still doesnt matter, evils will lie TPRs will lie heck even im probally lieing


Evils thought Blink was a TPR. ^^

[Ganelon]

Yeah, neutral kill. I am on the tab atm, I will be typing very slowly rofl, please excuse me.

[Ganelon]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

I would like to hear more from you.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Alright, boys and girls. Can someone teach me hot to play? I never played FM before.
I will tomorrow search for a forum thread that says what players can do and how. Honestly, havent read that yet. Like how to make a night action or update the lw for example.

Also, I promised to tell you what was the slip in this god damn message, the famous post #4. Look at the part in blue. Why would a Citizen want to know how to do a night action? How to make a last will is understandable, just like Blink did, but how to do a night action? This could mean three things:

1: he's a witch!!!
2: he's a TPR!!!
3: he's a hidden pro making fake slips (there are precedents of this in other games, can't remember the name of these but it happens)

Since I doubt he's a pro in disguise, I'll stick to the possibilities 1 or 2. @Magoroth there's your answer.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

I would like to hear more from you.

You could start by reading what I'm writing before voting against me... I'm literally making you hear from me.

[Ganelon]

If you thought he was a TPR why would you mention that at all?

[Soviet_Love]

There could be: GF and Arson, MM and Arson, only GF, only MM. The answer is not impossible at all. However, I think MM cannot kill every night, right? Even if he doesn't kill anyone? Since blink was a Citizen, we know there cannot be a MM kill tomorrow. Only arsonist kill. And if there's arsonist in the setup, I damn the gods of randomization for that.

Now gonna reveal something: I was roleblocked. We must take in account this fact so we can evaluate the setup better. Now I'm gonna make a post about what I think of that EoD (End of Day).

Yes you are correct, Mass murderer has a 1 day cooldown.

Did anyone else visit blink? If so, please speak up. The mass murderer would have killed you too. This is important information, because if someone else visited blink and didn't die then we know that we are dealing with a godfather (who can kill every night, and only kill one person) rather than a mass murderer (who has to alternate kills).

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hey soviet, you're here! So, what do you think about Blink's death, and the EoD we had, and my post about the post #4?

[Ganelon]

By the way:

Marshmallow said he was roleblocked, we have either an Escort as a TPR or a Consort.

[Soviet_Love]

@Noz_Bugz Already did the math on Day1. At least he said 9% for two killers. I think we can almost safely say that no 2nd killer. I really rather we don't lynch today. Even putting someone on T-2 or what its called - that could be gamethrow because of our MyLo situation.

To set the record straight - I did the math and determined there is 9% for 2 killers.

Also, now that we have at least one confirmed killer, the odds might change. Particularly because we now know we're not in the 0 killer world. Which means 42% (1 killer) vs 9% (2 killers). Double it, means 84% chance we're in the 1 killer world and 18% chance we're in the 2 killer world now.

TL;DR There was 9% chance 2 killers before we saw a death, now that we've seen a death there is 18% because of new information.

[OzyWho]

Ok, I have to ask now. What does EoD mean?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...egory:Glossary
There is nothing that starts with E besides Endgame in the mafia dictionary..

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Oh btw, could you all tell what you got as night feedback? Did someone give you a private chat? Were you roleblocked, or anything like that? WARNING: YOU MAY NOT QUOTE OR COPYPASTE ANY PM FROM THE HOST TO YOU. Paraphrasing is allowed, unless host precised it was not.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Ok, I have to ask now. What does EoD mean?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...egory:Glossary
There is nothing that starts with E besides Endgame in the mafia dictionary..

Could you please read what I put in my parentheses? End of day.

[Soviet_Love]

GOOD! Sorry, but it's great! That ACTUALLY MEANS THAT NEXT NIGHT 0 TOWNIE DEATHS!!!
If, of course, it was MM and not GF who attacked last night. Or a vigi...

It might be an escort, and not a consort. This is, of course, assuming that MM told us the truth (and that he isn't just saying that to hide the fact that he's an arson, since nobody else was targeted, for example). It's more likely than not that he was actually blocked, but let's not foreclose all possibilities.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Since the odds for the witches to kill a TPR (if it's GF and not MM, of course) are 50%, what do you think about a rolecall? EVERYONE must participate though.

[Ganelon]

I would be in favour of a role call, to be fair.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I would be in favour of a role call, to be fair.

@Soviet_Love @Distorted @OzyWho @Noz_Bugz

Your thoughts?

[Soviet_Love]

Hey soviet, you're here! So, what do you think about Blink's death, and the EoD we had, and my post about the post #4?

The post about #4 is interesting. But I don't think it says too much... when I didn't know how to play my first game I was sending superjack messages in private asking things instead of posting in the thread. I don't read too much into it.

Also - if anything, it is good that a citizen died and not a TPR. Yay meat shield.

[Ganelon]

In fact, since I have nothing to hide from you, I will simply state my role openly: I am but a humble Citizen.

[Soviet_Love]

Ok, I have to ask now. What does EoD mean?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...egory:Glossary
There is nothing that starts with E besides Endgame in the mafia dictionary..

EoD is end of day.

[OzyWho]

Since the odds for the witches to kill a TPR (if it's GF and not MM, of course) are 50%, what do you think about a rolecall? EVERYONE must participate though.

Don't be so hasty. First let us hear from everyone. First hour of Day1 is not the time to make such decisions.

Why am I so much against it? Because:
DO WE AGREE THAT DAY2 LYNCH IS BAD IDEA?
I think we do? Because tommorow either we are still 3v2 or even 4v2 if MM. More info tommorow.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The post about #4 is interesting. But I don't think it says too much... when I didn't know how to play my first game I was sending superjack messages in private asking things instead of posting in the thread. I don't read too much into it.

Also - if anything, it is good that a citizen died and not a TPR. Yay meat shield.

True. If I have to ask questions that might make people suspect something about my role, I PM them to the host instead of asking them in the thread. You should all do the same, whatever is your role, because as town it confuses people and might mislead townies because it's fake, and as scum because it may reveal you.

[OzyWho]

If we agree that Day2 lynch is a bad idea, then we agree that a Day2 mass role claim is a bad idea.
MM is smarter than that. + scum points to MM

[Ganelon]

Why did you publicly inform us something was off about OzyWho's post? If he were indeed a witch, you'd be, in effect, telling him to 'quiet down', and to not make the same slip again. If he were a townie, you'd be putting him in the spotlight to the witches.

[Soviet_Love]

Thoughts on town power roles:

(1) If there was a town government role, they would have claimed. There is not a crier, because they didn't claim role. I also do not believe that there is a Mason Leader or Mason, as I think they would claimed as well.

That means possible TPR roles are: (1) sheriff (2) vigilante (3) detective (4) escort (5) doctor (6) jailor (7) bodyguard ( architect.

Has anybody been jailed? So far, nobody has claimed, and I would think that someone would claim. Not claiming that you have been jailed is a very strange play.

That means that it is unlikely there is a jailor. Possible roles are : (1) sheriff (2) vigilante (3) detective (4) escort (5) doctor (6) bodyguard (7) architect.

Was anybody given a private night chat with someone else? I am referring to the abilities of the architect (town power role) or earthbinder (scum role). It would be crazy for both scums to give themselves a night chat, and highly unlikely that a TPR architect would choose both scums. It also would make sense for the architect to reveal that they gave people a night chat if nobody claimed to have had a night chat.

Given that nobody has claimed to have a private night chat, our TPR roles are: (1) sheriff (2) vigilante (3) detective (4) escort (5) doctor (6) bodyguard.

We have 2 of these 6, with possible duplicates of the same role.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Don't be so hasty. First let us hear from everyone. First hour of Day1 is not the time to make such decisions.

Why am I so much against it? Because:
DO WE AGREE THAT DAY2 LYNCH IS BAD IDEA?
I think we do? Because tommorow either we are still 3v2 or even 4v2 if MM. More info tommorow.

We must at least gain time on D3 to lynch correctly if we don't today. Role calling usually takes close of 24h to hear from everyone, and takes the rest of the day to discuss about the claims. Claiming on D3 would make us short on time.

[Ganelon]

I am unsure, as yet, as to the others' alignment. I, for one, however, have some suspicions about Marshmallow - I would know name him as my number 1 suspect.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

If we agree that Day2 lynch is a bad idea, then we agree that a Day2 mass role claim is a bad idea.
MM is smarter than that. + scum points to MM

When did I agree about that ^^ good job twisting my words. Also I explained why it STILL was a good idea to rolecall today.

[OzyWho]

I also do not believe that there is a Mason Leader or Mason, as I think they would claimed as well

I don't understand. Why? They would die N1, wouldn't they? So what's the point?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why did you publicly inform us something was off about OzyWho's post? If he were indeed a witch, you'd be, in effect, telling him to 'quiet down', and to not make the same slip again. If he were a townie, you'd be putting him in the spotlight to the witches.

It's hard to "re-slip" the same thing in the same game. It kinda never happens lol. And did you think about if he's a witch so we keep an eye on him? Did you also think about you asking it and me saying no, not today because it can give info to scum?

[Soviet_Love]

The only claim thus far has been MM claiming to have been roleblocked.

If we assume that MM is telling the truth (BY NO MEANS CERTAIN) then we have either a consort or an escort.

EVIL ROLEBLOCK SETUPS:
Scum:
(1) consort (2) Mass Murderer, OR
(1) consort (2) Godfather

TPR:
(1) sheriff (2) vigilante (3) detective (4) escort (5) doctor (6) bodyguard. ONE OF THESE
(1) sheriff (2) vigilante (3) detective (4) escort (5) doctor (6) bodyguard. ONE OF THESE

GOOD ROLEBLOCK SETUPS:
Scum:
(1) Mass Murder (2) [witch, arsonist, consigliere, blackmailer, judge] OR
(1) Godfather (2) [witch, arsonist, consigliere, blackmailer, judge]

TPR:
(1) Escort
(1) sheriff (2) vigilante (3) detective (4) escort (5) doctor (6) bodyguard. ONE OF THESE

[Ganelon]

Mason Leader would be extremely powerful in this setup; I doubt there is one, for if there is one, please recruit me.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I don't understand. Why? They would die N1, wouldn't they? So what's the point?

True. Any TPR claiming D1 would be suiciding lol

[Soviet_Love]

Also, I don't mean to foreclose the possibility we have both an escort and a consort. It is also possible they both targeted MM, provided MM is telling us the truth.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The only claim thus far has been MM claiming to have been roleblocked.

If we assume that MM is telling the truth (BY NO MEANS CERTAIN) then we have either a consort or an escort.

EVIL ROLEBLOCK SETUPS:
Scum:
(1) consort (2) Mass Murderer, OR
(1) consort (2) Godfather

TPR:
(1) sheriff (2) vigilante (3) detective (4) escort (5) doctor (6) bodyguard. ONE OF THESE
(1) sheriff (2) vigilante (3) detective (4) escort (5) doctor (6) bodyguard. ONE OF THESE

GOOD ROLEBLOCK SETUPS:
Scum:
(1) Mass Murder (2) [witch, arsonist, consigliere, blackmailer, judge] OR
(1) Godfather (2) [witch, arsonist, consigliere, blackmailer, judge]

TPR:
(1) Escort
(1) sheriff (2) vigilante (3) detective (4) escort (5) doctor (6) bodyguard. ONE OF THESE

True. If I was lying then the only limited roles would be MM/GF (Aka there's no arsonist nor double non-killer witch)

[OzyWho]

I will go now. Will be back in like 7-12 hours perhaps.
I want to make one thing clear before I go. I want we all to agree on a simple matter:
mention=29377]Marshmallow Marshall, @Distorted , @Soviet_Love , @Noz_Bugz , @Magoroth .
Do we agree that Day2 lynch is a bad idea? Do we agree that Day2 mass role claim is bad idea?(given that we agree on no Day2 lynch)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

But I really want your opinions on a rolecall, like RIGHT NOW, so if you're in we do it RIGHT NOW so we don't lose time on D3.

[Soviet_Love]

I will go now. Will be back in like 7-12 hours perhaps.
I want to make one thing clear before I go. I want we all to agree on a simple matter:
mention=29377]Marshmallow Marshall, @Distorted , @Soviet_Love , @Noz_Bugz , @Magoroth .
[color=yellow=Do we agree that Day2 lynch is a bad idea? Do we agree that Day2 mass role claim is bad idea?(given that we agree on no Day2 lynch)[/color]

No I don't agree with that why in the world would I agree fuck off I'm trying to determine our possible role set-ups. Don't jump to conclusions. Lol.

[Ganelon]

I will go now. Will be back in like 7-12 hours perhaps.
I want to make one thing clear before I go. I want we all to agree on a simple matter:
mention=29377]Marshmallow Marshall, @Distorted , @Soviet_Love , @Noz_Bugz , @Magoroth .
Do we agree that Day2 lynch is a bad idea? Do we agree that Day2 mass role claim is bad idea?(given that we agree on no Day2 lynch)

+1, I don't believe a witch would've said this.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I will go now. Will be back in like 7-12 hours perhaps.
I want to make one thing clear before I go. I want we all to agree on a simple matter:
mention=29377]Marshmallow Marshall, @Distorted , @Soviet_Love , @Noz_Bugz , @Magoroth .
Do we agree that Day2 lynch is a bad idea? Do we agree that Day2 mass role claim is bad idea?(given that we agree on no Day2 lynch)

Do I look like I agree with D2 rolecall being a bad idea?! But I indeed think a lynch today would be bad unless we are nearly certain of someone being scum.