I agree with @rumox . Fuck flipless! Bring on the post restrictions! Min//Max lifted upon 1 hour to EOD.
This isn't where i parked my car.....
Yes! Burn the world to ashes! ANARCHY!!!!!
You know, the Setup Workshop is here for you to use, rumox and blink. If you want a post restriction setup, make one, or adapt another setup to post restrictions. I'm giving my opinion on the matter, though, and probably won't sign for a ton of post restriction games. A few could be nice, though.
Marsh I think it just negatively affects the game when there is such a huge gap in activity among players. When there is 1 guy with 1000 posts and another with 10, how do you properly compare the 2 players in your head? Maybe post restrictions isn't the way to solve it, but then do you have any other ideas?
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
PLEASE DON'T!
Post restrictions/requirements can be set up on the signup page.
So too can be lynch mechanics. So too can be basic role options such as wether or not Cop/Seer get's a n0 check, or wether or not Vigilante can attack N1.
If it was up to MM, there would be 10 versions of each setup in the setup page. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I love 50 post limit light games. But in this one, I have to agree with MM.
It's up to the 1000 posts guys to limit themselves and it's up to the 10 posts guys to force themselves to be more active.
In the podcasts I posted recently, they were talking about how they often intentionally limit themselves and how it's a pro-town thing to do. Like "I got such a huge case on someone whom I'm sure is a scum - that I know nobody is gonna read a case that long. So I split into parts, posting each part hours apart." Or how they try to pressure lurkers to become active, or how they try to discourage spammers of spamming (though they were talking about a 25 player game, so there spammers are an even bigger problem).
To limit oneself is a skill like any other. On the Mafia University, it's the #1 guide.
To discourage anti-town behaviors from other players is every townie's job.
It's all part of the game.
Tbh, the game is solved primarily by reading and thinking. Those who spam are limiting their own scumhunting greatly, and so too they make the thread itself less productive and harder for the rest of the town.
It's the players' fault.
To me, suggesting post restrictions to be a norm is like suggesting to remove crucial yet undervalued parts of the game.
Having said that. People just want to enjoy themselves, and it's more enjoyable when everyone is at the near same level of activity. So do we want to remove a part of the game by putting in babysitting-rules for those who can't control themselves in order to make the game more enjoyable for everyone else? It's not a bad idea. I would rather not, but it's just a matter of taste. Both sides are fine tbh.
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TLDR: we don't need to change any rules because people should just control themselves!
Well, if people did control themselves then we wouldn't be having this conversation ozy
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
To my knowledge, nobody on this site has ever brought up the idea that too much activity can be anti-town too.
You've been here longer, you can correct if I'm wrong.
But if I'm right, then I disagree with your conclusion because nobody has yet even tried to limit themselves since they are of the mindset of "the more actively they post the better it is for town".
As I said. I'm not actively against it, it's a matter of taste in my opinion.
But tbh. Maybe some post limit games can be good for education purpose?
Last edited by OzyWho; January 1st, 2020 at 10:38 PM.
Having post restrictions is a bad idea; they shouldn’t be a general site rule. Sure if the host wants to enforce post restrictions they can do as they please; it’s their setup.
Jesus guys. So come up with a better idea? A "high activity only" game? What you're saying if you think about it for two seconds is not realistic at all. If I come into the thread and see someone attacking me I'm not just going to say nothing because "I don't want to post too much..."
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
Also too much activity isn’t anti town, it’s anti game. Nobody wants to read thousands of posts, but like if it’s not only just spam I see nothing wrong with it. I personally have no problem with high post count games but that’s just me. Again if you have a problem with this sure go ahead and host a setup with post count restrictions, most people would probably sign up for it.
Actually, you do do want to limit enough for it to not become a thunderdome.
If it's a tunnelling townie, he will get more tunnelled the more you thunderdome with him.
If it's a Mafia scum - it's exactly what he wants and if you try to reason with him and you find that he is not interested in truth and cooperation, then you are better off turning to the other players and speak of him as a 3rd person and point out how he is unreasonable. If you direct your defense towards him even after you found him being unreasonable - most townies will actually not see that what he is about.
Last edited by OzyWho; January 1st, 2020 at 11:22 PM.
I think the problem is shown clearly in this game though. Like sure you don't care, and ozy and blink and myself and etc. all read all the posts and enjoyed it. But then the less active people couldn't be bothered. So if not post restrictions or min or max or whatever, should there be some segregation between people who want to be highly active (IE: checking the thread and posting all day long) vs. casual (maybe once or twice a day, definitely don't read all the posts)?
Here's a crazy idea, because almost everyone seems to like being active for EOD. What about an EOD only game? So the "Days" only last for a couple hours during a timeslot set by the host that everyone joining the game can agree to be on for?
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
Also idk how that’s relevant
Sorry guys I've posted too much so I am going to stop defending myself
-Doesn't look scummy at all... certainly saves you from the lynch!
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
Really, thanks to light I had both him AND stealth confirmed as town in my mind during d1 so even if he neutered his own night ability, it's still somewhat helpful.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
Lights reads were good this game. He was pretty anti town by outing himself but like he wasn’t bad this game at all. And he didn’t make many fantasy land posts this game.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
Idk just add a rule that says spam disallowed. So if you have too many fluff posts you get a warning. This is a pretty shit fix too cuz then what constitutes ‘fluff posting’ is open to interpretation, and there’s a risk the host may accidentally leak information with this rule on. You could go this the easy way and disallow anything that looks like RVS posting. You do end up with a different problem where you basically forbid an entire play style, so no matter what you do I don’t think this can be solved in a satisfactory way.
The worst part is when I intentionally don't respond to something that seems pointless as I'm catching up on the thread and then the other person goes "YOU DIDN'T RESPOND TO THIS I HAVE CAUGHT YOU NOW AAMIRUS!!!". It's a real catch-22 situation
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
There’s another problem here in that as scum filler posting is actually very important if you have nothing to say. Bc you don’t wanna our yourself so you end up posting lots of dribble.
I’ll be an asshole and say that if I’m ever gonna play a posycount limit game, the lower limit better be fucking high like in the 30s-40s lol
There’s also the idea of giving out awards for game participation or maybe adding a set of FM specific user titles, and like each title is worth X points, you get one point subtracted when you post spam and you get an extra point added when you post useful info, I’d say like 1 point per paragraph or something like that.
It wasn't mean sounding at all, it was actually hilarious af xD.
Regarding me though. I try to learn and better myself every day, but I'm at such a low level still that it requires a great deal of effort to not engage in bigotry, and even harder to not call everyone idiots in every breath I take.
If I can play out a game without getting banned, I see that as a win. Also, I think I haven't yet played a single game as Mafia where I didn't request to be subbed out.
Tbh. I'm not sure if I even have a 2 digit number count of games played, or still below 10. But most of my games definitely from ~1.5 years ago.
So I think I'm actually doing fairly well given both - my experience and my personality.
I learned it quickly in my very first FM game that it's best to use your phone to catch up as much and often as possible throughout the day.
Last I checked my reading speed was 150 WPM.
I think I can't afford to play like most people - sitting down at the computer in the evening and start reading the last 24 hours.