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  1. ISO #401

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    I believe frinkles would have ignited because of how good Marsh is at sniffing people out. I'm newer to FM than he is by a massive longshot, so it would be easier to argue with me than argue with him, easy.
    I literally argued with MM all of last game and he townread me this game..
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  2. ISO #402

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    I literally argued with MM all of last game and he townread me this game..
    He did, but if you killed let's say me or stealth instead of him, he would've been able to trace it back to you like I did. Marsh is a massive threat on either side, especially to a solo scum, I'm not as large of a threat for obvious reasons.

  3. ISO #403

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    I was putting pressure on the slot so that he would wake up, I had no hard intentions to lynch stealth there, or you; I just wanted to hear from both sides instead of just one.
    That's why I'm trying to see if you were fencesitting. The only other thing you said the rest of that day was this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    I agree, I hate having to get this far into the details to narrow down my scum reads (especially knowing that there's one scum, and i have two reads)
    That could be you pivoting for today if you had known you were killing MM that night.
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  4. ISO #404

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    He did, but if you killed let's say me or stealth instead of him, he would've been able to trace it back to you like I did. Marsh is a massive threat on either side, especially to a solo scum, I'm not as large of a threat for obvious reasons.
    To be honest, that gives more credence to an Arsonist Varcron.
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  5. ISO #405

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    That's why I'm trying to see if you were fencesitting. The only other thing you said the rest of that day was this:



    That could be you pivoting for today if you had known you were killing MM that night.
    And it could also mean that I have to examine both of my reads, like I did for a fair while last night. You're trying to pick out tiny threads and very loose things and weave them into a conspiracy theory.

  6. ISO #406

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    Hah, I was probably doused n0, time to die n1
    While I look over what SB pointed out, this is what bothered me the most about your play this game Varcron.

    Even if I considered your push on toad to be organic, your entrance literally implies that there would be a n1 ignition. Why wouldn't you believe an Arsonist would douse multiple targets before igniting?
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  7. ISO #407

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    To be honest, that gives more credence to an Arsonist Varcron.
    Diverging off of this post for a moment, take a look at this Stealth. Immediately after I was called out by you with your points, Frinkles hops on the train without second thought. That by itself is basically admitting to wanting either of us dead and not caring who it is.

  8. ISO #408

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    And it could also mean that I have to examine both of my reads, like I did for a fair while last night. You're trying to pick out tiny threads and very loose things and weave them into a conspiracy theory.
    I'm not trying to nit-pick and I don't really think I am. It's fair to re-evaluate my own reads, no?
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  9. ISO #409

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    While I look over what SB pointed out, this is what bothered me the most about your play this game Varcron.

    Even if I considered your push on toad to be organic, your entrance literally implies that there would be a n1 ignition. Why wouldn't you believe an Arsonist would douse multiple targets before igniting?
    Why would he douse multiple targets? He didn't want anyone to be 100% confirmed as town seeing as there is only one scum. Two doused is two nights for a douse checker to confirm someone.

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  11. ISO #411

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    Diverging off of this post for a moment, take a look at this Stealth. Immediately after I was called out by you with your points, Frinkles hops on the train without second thought. That by itself is basically admitting to wanting either of us dead and not caring who it is.
    You fundamentally misunderstand. I believe SB16 is the Arsonist in the status quo. I just wanted answers to some questions here.
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  14. ISO #414

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    Not really, I was leaning to scumreading Frinkles for a fair chunk in the previous two or so days, I was actually sort of hoping that it would be Marshmallow alive instead of one of you, because now this is going to get really god damn hard.
    Like this shit. At what point were you scumreading me when you were sheeping my reads?
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  15. ISO #415

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Like this shit. At what point were you scumreading me when you were sheeping my reads?
    I started scumreading you after Stealth started making himself noticed. Stealth immediately gave off town vibes with how his arguments were made, for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
    So yeah, if we take some of the same arguments that I gave against Frinckles yesterday, we can see they apply here as well, but Varcron is a better fit.



    Varcron votes toad instead of Kovath on D1.



    And then ignites N1 in order to push a mislynch on Toad.

    This was actually really fucking well done, I can respect that and I won't be mad if I get lynched.
    Who makes stuff like that up as scum, as you said before with me, I say to him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
    Yeah, it's very good mechanical play that you can definitely understand from someone who plays the mod a lot. I'm impressed.

    I would like your opinion on this @Frinckles

    Reread how he goes from the end of D1 into immediately pushing Toad BECAUSE of Kovath's death. He rationalized the arsonist's night kill and used it to scumpaint another player for the lynch. This is exactly what I would try to do as solo scum.
    Or this, him in a day and a half has managed to provide a detailed analysis of me and why I am scum, you don't just make that up on the fly.

  16. ISO #416

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    Diverging off of this post for a moment, take a look at this Stealth. Immediately after I was called out by you with your points, Frinkles hops on the train without second thought. That by itself is basically admitting to wanting either of us dead and not caring who it is.
    Also, SB16 brought up new relevant information that I missed.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    I started scumreading you after Stealth started making himself noticed. Stealth immediately gave off town vibes with how his arguments were made, for example.



    Who makes stuff like that up as scum, as you said before with me, I say to him.



    Or this, him in a day and a half has managed to provide a detailed analysis of me and why I am scum, you don't just make that up on the fly.
    Okay, that's kind of bullshit.

    I've provided numerous reasons as to why SB16 is the Arsonist and you scumread me for it now?
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  20. ISO #420

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    It's just a massive pain in the rear how Toad was just mass gaslighting and not claiming and Caustic speaking in riddles again.
    It pisses me off more because I gave him plenty of time to. I guess he was just salty at MM.
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  21. ISO #421

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinkles
    You fundamentally misunderstand. I believe SB16 is the Arsonist in the status quo. I just wanted answers to some questions here.
    I didn't even touch on this gem right here. What you're saying is you still think Stealth is arsonist, but now you are starting to change your mind to agree to get a lynch off?

  22. ISO #422

  23. ISO #423

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    I didn't even touch on this gem right here. What you're saying is you still think Stealth is arsonist, but now you are starting to change your mind to agree to get a lynch off?
    I'm not in any rush to lynch. I believe that SB16 wanted Kovath eliminated early amongst other things.

    You're the one who looks like they're trying to take advantage of me and SB16 psuedo-thunderdoming, you can't see that?
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  24. ISO #424

  25. ISO #425

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    I believe frinkles would have ignited because of how good Marsh is at sniffing people out. I'm newer to FM than he is by a massive longshot, so it would be easier to argue with me than argue with him, easy.
    You fool, you fell for my trap!

    Notice the similarities in how varcron has been playing both nights that there was an ignition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kovath View Post
    I don't really like Toad from my skim of D1 but given how little was said (my fault), I doubt that's much to go on.
    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    This is a fairly big hint that you are the scummy and not Frinkles, I thought about this for awhile and it just does not sit well with me as to why you would say this as a response.

    So you ignited to prove your point, I don't think you were planning on this but wanted to hammer it home to all of us, a nice bread crumb trail. You could tell at the EOD1 that you were disappointed with no lynch (in all likelihood you wanted a lynch so you had less dousing to do while eliminating a prime townie)

    Immidiately concerned about what Kovath noticed in your patterns, that in itself is a red flag with how you reacted in such an alarmed manner.

    This proves your point in the last statement; you wanted a lynch to further your cause at EOD1, so since you didn't get it you made a example of a prime townie (Kovath). It is in my opinion that any other doused town member at the time would have had the same fate as Kovath, just to prove that Toad's theory was correct.

    With all that being said
    -vote Toad


    Hopefully someone else follows this train of thought.
    and

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I know I have already replied to this post, but now that I've read Frinckles' reply, I can really appreciate the Trump administration reference.

    And for your information, you've got me totally pocketed if you're arson lol, good job. The only question I have about Frinckles - you is "should I actually vote Frinckles?".

    ~~

    About the douse-ignite question, a.k.a. the "Who would douse Kovath and ignite him afterwards, considering he had been relatively AFK?", I am coming to the conclusion that the most likely candidate is... Caustic. Not really because he has reasons to do so (noone ACTUALLY has reasons to ignite the AFK guy N1 honestly, he wasn't threatening enough for it to be a fearkill), but because he's the one who has the most laid-back attitude and who can create the most confusion with it. Proof is, we're still debating about it, and he's being left out of it all.
    Of course, that's nothing super strong, but I think I might be onto something.
    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    I believe frinkles would have ignited because of how good Marsh is at sniffing people out. I'm newer to FM than he is by a massive longshot, so it would be easier to argue with me than argue with him, easy.
    In both of these scenarios Varcron is pushing someone who previously was scumread by whoever was ignited. The reason it's not working today is because MM didn't really strongly scumread frinckles, and I believe that if MM said "should I actually vote stealth" I would be on the chopping block right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

  26. ISO #426

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    I'm not in any rush to lynch. I believe that SB16 wanted Kovath eliminated early amongst other things.

    You're the one who looks like they're trying to take advantage of me and SB16 psuedo-thunderdoming, you can't see that?
    Okay I'm gonna be completely real here I don't actually remember the last game I played with kovath
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

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  30. ISO #430

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    You fool, you fell for my trap!

    Notice the similarities in how varcron has been playing both nights that there was an ignition.





    and





    In both of these scenarios Varcron is pushing someone who previously was scumread by whoever was ignited. The reason it's not working today is because MM didn't really strongly scumread frinckles, and I believe that if MM said "should I actually vote stealth" I would be on the chopping block right now.
    No, I would have re read and said the same thing that I've said just now.

  31. ISO #431

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    I think it's completely useless to think about who would douse kovath at this point in time because all 3 of us technically have a reason to.

    I apparently got lynched by kovath when I was neutral?
    Frinckles thinks kovath is a strong town player
    Varcron doesn't know who he is and so he doused him to be safe. (I did this as a cult leader with Kenny in his first game)
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

  32. ISO #432

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    And really, if you're trying to push that I'm flipping over to you because SB16 put a bit of pressure on your slot: Why the fuck wouldn't I have done that the first time he posited his read on you?
    To make it seem organic, he never laid a vote down, so there was no reason to rush.

  33. ISO #433

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I think it's completely useless to think about who would douse kovath at this point in time because all 3 of us technically have a reason to.

    I apparently got lynched by kovath when I was neutral?
    Frinckles thinks kovath is a strong town player
    Varcron doesn't know who he is and so he doused him to be safe. (I did this as a cult leader with Kenny in his first game)
    Eh? I've played with Kovath before too y'know

  34. ISO #434

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    I will put this out here now that regardless of whether or not frinckles and I actually lynch you today varcron

    you played an excellent game up to today and I think your only mistake was igniting MM last night.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

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  36. ISO #436

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I will put this out here now that regardless of whether or not frinckles and I actually lynch you today varcron

    you played an excellent game up to today and I think your only mistake was igniting MM last night.
    unless frinckles is arsonist in which case FUCK YOU WRINCKLES
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

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  38. ISO #438

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I will put this out here now that regardless of whether or not frinckles and I actually lynch you today varcron

    you played an excellent game up to today and I think your only mistake was igniting MM last night.

    I think Frinkles has legitimately fooled you like he fooled me for 90% of this game. His scum play by igniting MM scum painted me to the extreme for you, while also protecting himself.

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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    If I were scum I would have continued sheeping you until the end, the solo scum currently probably doesn't care who dies at all at this point.
    That's not true. You had said that you were 'lean scumreading me,' I would have noticed that kind of play.
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  45. ISO #445

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    MMs assumption is that Varcron is the Arsonist if I hammer here but he has already pivoted for the next day.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Just addressing this first :
    That is a theory I have right now, yes. That being said, Varcron doesn't become confirmed scum because of his interactions with Toad; the interactions simply felt dishonest and had a lot of misrepresentation on both sides, and what I believed to be blatant lying from Toad.


    Also, I want to reassess my townread of Frinckles, @Stealthbomber16 . I don't buy his interaction with Kovath at EoD as a "scum dancing around the future corpse". I also think he's not scummy overall? That doesn't mean I'll necessarily agree with his reads though ;)
    So you're supposing I type this knowing MM dies the next night despite being townread because he would 'sniff me out' too? I was legitimately worried that MM may have been pocketing me. I even mentioned this earlier that day.
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  46. ISO #446

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    So you're supposing I type this knowing MM dies the next night despite being townread because he would 'sniff me out' too? I was legitimately worried that MM may have been pocketing me. I even mentioned this earlier that day.
    You mentioned it knowing in the future that MM would die so you could prove yourself and make a stronger defense in the long run.

  47. ISO #447

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    You mentioned it knowing in the future that MM would die so you could prove yourself and make a stronger defense in the long run.
    You're trying to pick out tiny threads and very loose things and weave them into a conspiracy theory.
    Yeah, okay. I bring up a legitimate point and you ask me to disprove something that isn't true.
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  48. ISO #448

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    Fuck it.

    I don't see my opinion changing today now that I've picked up on this pattern.

    -vote Varcron


    If Frinckles doesn't hammer in his next post that means he isn't arsonist which confirms I'm right FMPOV.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

  49. ISO #449

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    You fool, you fell for my trap!

    Notice the similarities in how varcron has been playing both nights that there was an ignition.

    and

    In both of these scenarios Varcron is pushing someone who previously was scumread by whoever was ignited. The reason it's not working today is because MM didn't really strongly scumread frinckles, and I believe that if MM said "should I actually vote stealth" I would be on the chopping block right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    That's not true. You had said that you were 'lean scumreading me,' I would have noticed that kind of play.
    This is consistent with my point as well, I'll give you that.
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  50. ISO #450

    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Fuck it.

    I don't see my opinion changing today now that I've picked up on this pattern.

    -vote Varcron


    If Frinckles doesn't hammer in his next post that means he isn't arsonist which confirms I'm right FMPOV.
    I'm clear.
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