S-FM Turnabout Mafia

[Numbertwo]

in any event: Voss has confirmed himself as scum to me by scum painting me. Distorted seems to be genuinely scum hunting, not something I'd see scum do. so PoE all three scum are MM, Kenny and Voss. gg

Spoiler : cvote :

Marshmallow Marshall, Kenny, Voss

There are currently 3 townies alive + slaol and 2 mafia + 2 neutrals. Town might get outvoted if you don't vote on Voss.

[Ganelon]

anyway, Voss discrediting a non-mafia and pretty much the strongest town-read by far all game (me) is scummy as hell. I won't be moving my vote and I am 100% confident that Voss is bomber, MM/Kenny are mafia. if you need something from me ping me, otherwise this game is pretty much over. Kenny/Voss are not on the same faction, that WvW argument at the beginning looks a little like bussing, but it isn't, because they're not from the same faction. they cut it off because Mafia/Bomber need each other. one of them is the bomber. do as you wish

[Voss]

Nooooooooo Yagami =(

@Voss

and why didn't gyrlander play with those reads BEFORE dying.... lol

votes were mostly slanting inno, mag changed to guilty later but it was literally in mid discussion that the bombing happened.

this post serves an additional purpose.

Mag had a guilty vote when Mike had guilty. It was 2 to 2 at one point. Then when Mike changed to Inno, I'd noticed Mag changed his vote after. WITHOUT saying anything. That triggered my alarm bells.

@Distorted . I'm not sure what else I can say to this post. I know you said Gyr should have tried harder, and that was the main discussion we were having with Mag after Mike/MM went to sleep.

[Ganelon]

kay, I don't really care all that much, so hopefully this'll go right.

Spoiler : cvote :

Voss, Marshmallow Marshall, Kenny

Choo Choo.

[Ganelon]

Mag had a guilty vote when Mike had guilty. It was 2 to 2 at one point. Then when Mike changed to Inno, I'd noticed Mag changed his vote after. WITHOUT saying anything. That triggered my alarm bells.

@Distorted. I'm not sure what else I can say to this post. I know you said Gyr should have tried harder, and that was the main discussion we were having with Mag after Mike/MM went to sleep.

L.O.L. What possible reason would I have to change my guilty vote as part of the scum team? Unless you seriously think I'm the fucking bomber? And, even so, why guilty when I can fucking bomb them? rofl

[Distorted]

Mag had a guilty vote when Mike had guilty. It was 2 to 2 at one point. Then when Mike changed to Inno, I'd noticed Mag changed his vote after. WITHOUT saying anything. That triggered my alarm bells.

@Distorted . I'm not sure what else I can say to this post. I know you said Gyr should have tried harder, and that was the main discussion we were having with Mag after Mike/MM went to sleep.

meta from the narrator. You have lynched me twice (first time was with firebringer) for "commenting on the lynch" literally with that exact quote "nooooooo magoroth" was the first 1.

You said commenting on the lynch or showing emotion to it is scummy. both times i flipped scum. curious why ur not scumreading me for that now.

[Ganelon]

also, Voss scum slipped in the jury chat by softly defending Frog's reads. he literally said "Frog wasn't objectively wrong". Frog called Voss "scum or scum". if that's not prime-material scum slipping idk what it is

[Ganelon]

all the towns/neutrals must vote with us. everyone put Voss as your top scum, or Kenny. I'm 100% certain one of them is the bomber. I'm thinking Voss.

[Distorted]

all the towns/neutrals must vote with us. everyone put Voss as your top scum, or Kenny. I'm 100% certain one of them is the bomber. I'm thinking Voss.

why can he not be mafia? ur getting very enthusiastic here for a lynch, but seems like ur only looking for bomber? does that mean u know hes not mafia? =P

[Voss]

also, Voss scum slipped in the jury chat by softly defending Frog's reads. he literally said "Frog wasn't objectively wrong". Frog called Voss "scum or scum". if that's not prime-material scum slipping idk what it is

I missed the part where Frog had me nailed as one of the 3 remaining scum. Can you find it for me please?

[Voss]

L.O.L. What possible reason would I have to change my guilty vote as part of the scum team? Unless you seriously think I'm the fucking bomber? And, even so, why guilty when I can fucking bomb them? rofl

Because you saw that the tides had turned for Gyrlander innocence.

[Voss]

meta from the narrator. You have lynched me twice (first time was with firebringer) for "commenting on the lynch" literally with that exact quote "nooooooo magoroth" was the first 1.

You said commenting on the lynch or showing emotion to it is scummy. both times i flipped scum. curious why ur not scumreading me for that now.

Your memory on narrator games is way better than mine is. I've really got nothing to say to this here.

[Mike]

this. I admit my flip flop was weird but I just don't know why I have this memory of Gyr going afk as scum. But the fact that I defended Gyr THAT hard in the chat has NO scum motivation whatsoever.

I have notes on the entire juror chat.

Mike and MM voted guilty and changed to innocent after I persuaded them. Mag changed his vote without comment to innocent once he saw everyone else go innocent. Then Mike/MM went offline. Distorted didn't vote but was trying to get us(Me and Mag) to vote guilty at the end. This could be scum trying to blend in or just didn't want to talk because of time zones.

Also, as an update to Slaol, Mike and I have buried the hatchet, and Marsh's flip from guilty to innocent wasn't indicative of him being red scum.

I STRONGLY think Mag needs to go.

This is true But I never saw Mag change his vote to inno? But to be fare last time I looked at votes was when I changed my vote from Guilty to Inno. but everyone Voss said is true. I took notes also.

[Ganelon]

why can he not be mafia? ur getting very enthusiastic here for a lynch, but seems like ur only looking for bomber? does that mean u know hes not mafia? =P

they're not on the same faction. if you remember sb16's game, I called out Kenny and Noctiz for bussing and they were indeed scum, and the argument looked like bussing, but they weren't actually bussing because they weren't on the same team. I'm getting the same vibe from the earlier Voss-Kenny argument.

also, MM is definitely not the bomber. to paraphrase Wolfy, MM said "Wtf" when he witnessed the Voss-Kenny argument. That was wolf trolling. He found it hilarious because he knew what was happening. hence he's in. a team with one of them. I'm calling out the Voss-MM team. they've defended each other all game, Kenny was pushed by Voss. gg

[Ganelon]

no, the first time I voted Gyrlander, I voted him because of his "I am no longer town reading Mag after having read Frog's ISO". honestly fuck that kind of playstyle, listening solely to gut is, I'm 100% convinced right now, 50/50. he called MM town, me scum, slaol scum, voss scum, number two scum, damus scum. that's 50/50. fuck that.

[Distorted]

@Slaol do u see the situation we are in with voss and #2 right now?

[Ganelon]

anyway I'm going to stop, I'm coming across as a bit opportunistic and hungry right now, I don't want my overreaction to result in a town loss =P

[Mike]

i guess im the only one he can trust to not be mafia or bomber, lol

the bomber can now win with mafia in 1 mis lynch dude. we are on mylo. that is why the bomber would do it, hence why im saying dont write off voss as 100% town. but not understanding this is why i write you off to be town.

Is it posable Number 2 is the bomber and playing NB to get us to not lych him? He innoed Gry at start of trial I mean immediately. Just a thought????

[Voss]

Strangely enough, I think removing the benign might be a lynch no one can say we shouldn't do. It'll start to help restore voting majority to town.

What are the mechanical cons to this idea?

[Ganelon]

my guess is that Voss is the bomber, and that Kenny is mafia. either way numbertwo won't help us if we don't vote Voss, so we don't really have much of a choice. either number two is mafia and some braindead neutral didn't cc, and we can't do anything about it, or he's neutral and we need his help.

[Mike]

There are currently 3 townies alive + slaol and 2 mafia + 2 neutrals. Town might get outvoted if you don't vote on Voss.

Wait I remember you and MM discussing this exact Scenario in Jury chat. Yes it is in my notes asking Aivion if scum would have Lead votes.

[Numbertwo]

Last Will Miles Meowsworth"]I've decided to make a last will before I go to sleep in case I get bombed or the corrupted attorney uses his ability.

I don't have much to say, besides that my current reads are:

Magoroth>Distorted>Mike=Light(If light actually appears to be changing his thoughts to townread me he's townier than Mike and Voss)>Voss>Kenny>MM (N2 omitted as Benign)

I believe MM is likely Town, he has given me his Towny vibes and he seems to be playing like he does as Town. Furthermore, his post claiming that he had solved the game and then he changing his reads (to, sadly, scumread me ) makes me think he's Town.

Voss and Kenny... I can't really tell. I really appreciate them that they actually supported me in some sense? But that obviously isn't a reason to townread them completely. However, Kenny took the risk of being the defense attorney and getting bombed so I think he's townier than Voss, who just followed Mayor.

I can't easily diferentiate evil Mike and town Mike, but he seems to be trying and the fact that he claims that he knows who's scum this game seems like a towny frustration to me.

Light is a random guy. I will never know what the fuck he is... but if he shows a possible change on his attitude towards me I'd highly suggest to make him a townread. I think a Town Light would do that.

Distorted... I know I said that I started to think as him being null, but I have been thinking about it and I don't feel he's townier than any of the other players. I can't give you a bring argument and *PLAS* DOWN WITH DISTORTED (As MM would probably want) but I'll just say I don't feel good about him, and maybe he's being too logical... which according to my data is a scum tell of him.

Magoroth. What an interesting change. You were my towniest read just hours ago, but I've realised that keeping you there because of a D1 sensation is just not okey. You haven't given me any good vibes since then, and I have the feeling I have not seen you much. Like not participating, and just letting yourself flow with the current and earn easy mislynches. Furthermore, I think Frog is a great player and at least would be right about his 100% scum read on you. So yeah.

If I die, please at least lynch Magoroth. I know I've too many town reads... and to be honest it's quite horrible and confusing but THAT'S HOW I AM ><.

Sorry. Love you all... and never forget me. Meowsworth says goodbye.
PS: I am not very sure about Voss, the fact that he claimed that he should be starting to prepare his defense on me to then suddenly change and vote me as his first just seems TOO CONVENIENT. I'd put him as scummy as Mike MINIMUM now. Have that in mind.

Here is Gyrlanders last will incase someone missed it.

[Ganelon]

DO NOT VOTE NUMBERTWO. DOING THAT IS GROUNDS FOR INSTANT LYNCH TOMORROW.
DON'T BE DUMB.

[Mike]

L.O.L. What possible reason would I have to change my guilty vote as part of the scum team? Unless you seriously think I'm the fucking bomber? And, even so, why guilty when I can fucking bomb them? rofl

Vos had already said

YO. I would NOT fight to get Gyr innod that hard and then WASTE my bombing. If I was bomber, I would just let slaol dictate that we should guilty Gyr, and save my bomb for ANOTHER trial.

This should prove I'm not the bomber.

Also, isn't bomber powerless to us now? They don't have bombs.

Also, I think Kenny is cleared from being the bomber.

So how would you bomb if bomber has 0 bombs?

[Voss]

DO NOT VOTE NUMBERTWO. DOING THAT IS GROUNDS FOR INSTANT LYNCH TOMORROW.
DON'T BE DUMB.

why?

[Ganelon]

There are currently 3 townies alive + slaol and 2 mafia + 2 neutrals. Town might get outvoted if you don't vote on Voss.

because it means some braindead neutral didn't CC. if he didn't CC, he doesn't give a shit about the town and we shouldn't expect him to do so.
the only logical choice here is to sheep no2. either he's mafia and we're fucked or he's not and we pretty much win the game.

[Ganelon]

there's also the slight possibility of Distorted being scum, he inno'd MM and Damus, if I recall correctly, but at this point in time it's not really something I wish to think about.

[Voss]

Seriously, someone lay out to idiot voss why we care about elminating the bomber right now, and why eliminating the benign, which helps give majority back to town, is a bad idea.

[Voss]

because it means some braindead neutral didn't CC. if he didn't CC, he doesn't give a shit about the town and we shouldn't expect him to do so.
the only logical choice here is to sheep no2. either he's mafia and we're fucked or he's not and we pretty much win the game.

you keep saying that its logical to sheep a benign, (who doesnt have benigns best interests at heart), but you're not saying why.

[Ganelon]

Seriously, someone lay out to idiot voss why we care about elminating the bomber right now, and why eliminating the benign, which helps give majority back to town, is a bad idea.

I don't really care about the bomber. I'd prefer the Mafia, but bomber's also good.
and eliminating the benign? really? who exactly is going to vote the benign. benign will side with scum and outvote us if you're really town.

[Mike]

I am so confused who is scum and who is not at this point. So much Mud slinging going on. at this point everyone looks scummy. Isn't that what scum wants us to all look muddy so we make an easy mislynch for scum. We need to slow it down and think.

[Numbertwo]

Seriously, someone lay out to idiot voss why we care about elminating the bomber right now, and why eliminating the benign, which helps give majority back to town, is a bad idea.

if you die, then i will dissapear aswell and town will be in the same situation they are in now if you are town. But if you are scum then the town will regain majority.

[Mike]

you keep saying that its logical to sheep a benign, (who doesnt have benigns best interests at heart), but you're not saying why.

Why is because he wants you lyched. because Sheeping the Nb knowing the NB wincon is your lych

[Ganelon]

I am so confused who is scum and who is not at this point. So much Mud slinging going on. at this point everyone looks scummy. Isn't that what scum wants us to all look muddy so we make an easy mislynch for scum. We need to slow it down and think.

we don't need to think about it at all; either Numbertwo is Mafia and not really benign, which makes absolutely no sense, no neutral worth his salt would stay in the dark this long, and I honestly would only ever see No.2 as mafia in a team with voss. which clearly isn't the case, and nobody else CC'd his claim.

if numbertwo really is benign, which I don't see how he couldn't be, he will side with scum and outvote us if he feels under threat.

[Ganelon]

if you die, then i will dissapear aswell and town will be in the same situation they are in now if you are town. But if you are scum then the town will regain majority.

nah, false. it'll be 2v2v1. even worse than today. but if you're executioner and your target is town, we've already lost so I don't care about that possibility

[Mike]

if you die, then i will dissapear aswell and town will be in the same situation they are in now if you are town. But if you are scum then the town will regain majority.

Good point only if you are NB if you are Mafia or Bomber that means Town loses Majority if we lych Voss.

[Ganelon]

Good point only if you are NB if you are Mafia or Bomber that means Town loses Majority if we lych Voss.

dude, if he's Mafia/Bomber that means some cosy neutral is staying in the dark and has not tried to achieve his wincon at all. that makes no sense.

[Voss]

if you die, then i will dissapear aswell and town will be in the same situation they are in now if you are town. But if you are scum then the town will regain majority.

You should go and prove how I'm scum first, besides 'host meta'. Because if the rest of the town players believe in host meta, I've got a magic bean to sell them too.

[Ganelon]

@Distorted I think you're town so I challenge you to find a better plan

[Voss]

dude, if he's Mafia/Bomber that means some cosy neutral is staying in the dark and has not tried to achieve his wincon at all. that makes no sense.

We can know the answer to that risk free, RIGHT NOW.

[Distorted]

@AIVION If the bomber is lynched and its 3v2 with slaol alive and 2 mafia, do mafia win there since slaol cant vote?

[Numbertwo]

nah, false. it'll be 2v2v1. even worse than today. but if you're executioner and your target is town, we've already lost so I don't care about that possibility

true i guess it will be easier for scums to controll the vote when they have a majority with less scums.

If voss is town it will be 3v1v1 + slaol tomorrow. That's pretty good

[Numbertwo]

true i guess it will be easier for scums to controll the vote when they have a majority with less scums.

If voss is Scum it will be 3v1v1 + slaol tomorrow. That's pretty good

Fixed

[Voss]

Spoiler : cvote :

Magoroth,Numbertwo,Kenny,Distorted,MarshmallowMars hall,Mike,Voss,

I can really go either way on Distorted and Marsh, but I'd push hard against a lynch on any of them. Unless what they have to say is exceptionally concerning.

Mag needs to be the one to go, but if Slaol doesn't see that, I'm hoping Slaol can either point out to me why getting rid of our neutral is bad, or rally the town to get the neutral.

I can't waste all day policing this chat to defend myself. I think I've done a great job, so I'll try to forcibly peel myself away.

[Ganelon]

I will not change my vote. as far as I'm concerned, you guys can go ahead and skip.
@me if you need anything
cya

[Voss]

-vote skip

[Numbertwo]

i would like to hear @Slaol 's opinion

[Mike]

i would like to hear @Slaol 's opinion

Agreed

[Ganelon]

@AIVION If the bomber is lynched and its 3v2 with slaol alive and 2 mafia, do mafia win there since slaol cant vote?

that's literally not possible right now.
if we lynch Voss and he's bomber, it'll be 3v2 'morrow.

[AIVION]

@AIVION If the bomber is lynched and its 3v2 with slaol alive and 2 mafia, do mafia win there since slaol cant vote?

There's actually missing mechanics in my setup thread after further review. I have NO clue how they're not in there as I clearly remember adding them. I will clarify ALL missing mechanics that are prevalent to the current situation:
Judge Jury Executioner phase happens when 5 or less people are alive (this is in the setup thread also this excludes the judge ofc) It's not fully explained like it should be. The day chat is shortened to 24 Hours. Judge resolves ties (As always) Judge also get's a say as well during this time as he is the main decider of the trials now.
The Trial phase for this is explained however.
So no, in the hypothetical 3v2 with Slaol alive the game still goes on as the Judge resolves all ties. BUT if it's 1 town 1 Judge and, say like a mafia or a Bomber left alive, whoever is the one alive wins. (I Intent to fully flesh out these mechanics when the game is over sorry that it wasn't in the setup thread... Sigh ;/)