S-FM 190 RLVG's Hidden Setup

[deathworlds]

Oh god, here come the moronic meta reads.

Sounds like an excuse and not reads. Here comes the night kill!

Y'all can fuck off.

I haven't been keeping up because I rejected the first replacement request. Btw I'm on post #641.

[Sen]

What did you make of Funce's comments about Gyrlander right before the 'I don't need to scumhunt' comment?

Bullshit, since earlier on D2 he said that Gyrlander was being super reactionary and that he (Gyrlander) was the only person he could read. Now he says Gyrlander is being transparent because their posts are inconsistent.

That said, I don't know what to make of it, since lurkers put so little effort into games that it's an equal chance of being scum or just stupid remarks resulting from not even reading.

[Funce]

I'm playing a particular game here.

-vote empathy17

Why do people take me so seriously?

[Funce]

Bullshit, since earlier on D2 he said that Gyrlander was being super reactionary and that he (Gyrlander) was the only person he could read. Now he says Gyrlander is being transparent because their posts are inconsistent.

That said, I don't know what to make of it, since lurkers put so little effort into games that it's an equal chance of being scum or just stupid remarks resulting from not even reading.

I will say the one thing you can count on me for is to always read the thread BEFORE posting.
I don't exactly get all the meanings, but I will read it.

Someone get me a question, its obviously turned into one of THOSE games.

[Sen]

Someone get me a question, its obviously turned into one of THOSE games.

Why should we babysit you?

There's 25 pages there. More than enough for you to be able to for your own ideas and bring up perticular topics to our attention.

[deathworlds]

On an off note I was reading through page 39 and was mildly amused by the popcorn memes, reminds me of when I bought 26 pages of popcorn at my local swains, then preceded to eat them all over the course of two days.

[Funce]

Why should we babysit you?

There's 25 pages there. More than enough for you to be able to for your own ideas and bring up perticular topics to our attention.

Alright.

[deathworlds]

Tunneling is a scum tell because...?

I'm not a Neutral, good job.

THIS BULLSHIT COMING FROM CALIX WHO PUSHED A LYNCH ON ME BECAUSE "Tunneling" DURING THE WRATH OF LADY DEATH.

Back to reading.

[secondpassing]

The host wonders if the leaving players will stay with this game 'till the end?

Of course, RLVG. I'm dead though, so it makes me think that way. So I'll try less hard.

[secondpassing]

Alright.

I'm going to recommend to everyone else to have you lynched because you have not brought what you have promised.
If you promise something, town expects to get it. Otherwise, you're "faking" analysis.

That means you are obligated to post your ISO on Empathy17 and your thoughts upon the 30+ pages we have now.

[RLVG]

Of course, RLVG. I'm dead though, so it makes me think that way. So I'll try less hard.

It's more directed on the players who plan to leave the site.

[deathworlds]

Done reading, going to post something relevant in a few minutes.

[secondpassing]

Gyrlander's posts scream inconsistency. They respond with a fluid thought process. As if they are constantly thinking from new standpoints. Trying to rectify previous behavior off current thoughts. It seems pretty transparent to me. I'm guilty of it.

Hey Funce, so you think that your thinking matches hers (Gyrlander)?

You will by Night's end you "Traitor." You.

AIVION, if you keep thinking they are scum already, you're in for a world of mislynches. Please take the time to process. Since we have thirteen players, there are a variety of playstyles and perspectives going on.
Obviously on a master can comprehend all of them but it will improve our mafia game if you try.

To Calix:
If you STILL think that I was mafia, then don't bother reading any of my posts until I flip. I wouldn't want you reading them again just so that you read them in the wrong light.

[Gyrlander]

Done reading, going to post something relevant in a few minutes.

I don't know why I feel like another player is going to be added to the "Fucking lynch Gyrlander tomorrow morning first thing list". Rofl

[Sen]

I don't know why I feel like another player is going to be added to the "Fucking lynch Gyrlander tomorrow morning first thing list". Rofl

Why don't you try to make a case on the actual scum (in a hypothetical scenario where you aren't scum) instead of spamming "poor me" replies every other hour?

[deathworlds]

I don't know why I feel like another player is going to be added to the "Fucking lynch Gyrlander tomorrow morning first thing list". Rofl

Don't worry you aren't my target. All I plan on doing is reprocessing some of the information that was brought out there for now.

Plus it's fucking retarded to plan lynches before the majority of actions are processed.

[deathworlds]

Don't worry you aren't my target. All I plan on doing is reprocessing some of the information that was brought out there for now.

Plus it's fucking retarded to plan lynches before the majority of actions are processed.

Also expect some setup spec, I can't enter a game without setup spec and feel good about it.

[Gyrlander]

Why don't you try to make a case on the actual scum (in a hypothetical scenario where you aren't scum) instead of spamming "poor me" replies every other hour?

Don't you think that if I am being pressured by everyone, trying to say someone else is scum wouldn't make me seem scummier? "OMG, TRYING TO DEFLECT ATTENTION? GG RIP" (At first I was going to say Good point but I'm too sleepy. Tomorrow I'll start! But just thought about that.)

[Sen]

Don't you think that if I am being pressured by everyone, trying to say someone else is scum wouldn't make me seem scummier? "OMG, TRYING TO DEFLECT ATTENTION? GG RIP" (At first I was going to say Good point but I'm too sleepy. Tomorrow I'll start! But just thought about that.)

Why do you think about how it will make you look? We aren't picking the prom king here; if you were Town, your goal would be to rekt the scum, whether people are planning on mislynching you or not.

Your whole behaviour points at self preservation and not giving a fuck about finding the scum.

[TheDankestMeme]

Why don't you come here and screw it on for me!!!

I lol'd

Anyway, RLVG, don't do night chat games anymore. People need a break from these games. I used to be so impatient waiting for day to come but this marathon is tiring

[RLVG]

I lol'd

Anyway, RLVG, don't do night chat games anymore. People need a break from these games. I used to be so impatient waiting for day to come but this marathon is tiring

Well, I can be more easy on the Night to allow breaks I suppose, but it's there as a feature.

[Gyrlander]

Why do you think about how it will make you look? We aren't picking the prom king here; if you were Town, your goal would be to rekt the scum, whether people are planning on mislynching you or not.

Your whole behaviour points at self preservation and not giving a fuck about finding the scum.

That's what I think! If I do this, I'll say I did this because I knew if I said that they would think I'm scum. But If I say I think that, they will still think I am scum so... DEAD END TO ME! And considering that I already said that I don't feel the need to do scum hunting. Do not make me repeat myself, you FOOL!

[deathworlds]

That's what I think! If I do this, I'll say I did this because I knew if I said that they would think I'm scum. But If I say I think that, they will still think I am scum so... DEAD END TO ME! And considering that I already said that I don't feel the need to do scum hunting. Do not make me repeat myself, you FOOL!

I've only seen villains in movies use the word "fool".

Kekeke

[deathworlds]

That's what I think! If I do this, I'll say I did this because I knew if I said that they would think I'm scum. But If I say I think that, they will still think I am scum so... DEAD END TO ME! And considering that I already said that I don't feel the need to do scum hunting. Do not make me repeat myself, you FOOL!

You're fucking dead kiddo.

[Sen]

Yeah, at this point there's not much left to say regarding that topic.

[Gyrlander]

You're fucking dead kiddo.

You comment it now but not before? Wtf? And are you actually going to post the revelant thing? Or not? I'm not going to sleep until I read it.

[deathworlds]

I just finished reading, I'm slightly concerned about Calix for that bullshit tunneling reason, but that's probably not a completely valid reason, his hyper aggressiveness makes me thing that he is either neutral or town, So I'm really on the fence about Calix.

What I think is worth noting is that I think I have this setup figured out.

I think that this setup has an evolving mechanic for nearly every player.

So far we have had 2(3?) different claims about being a citizen that turns / is turning into a different role. To quote from the setup

There's an automatic role changing mechanic in the game, no one knows how it works (there may be exceptions of knowledge).

TDM can you clarify if that turning into an investigator was in your original role card, or if you simply received a new role card?

Given it's a closed setup, with 4-5 scum...having a Traitor be one of them makes perfect sense.

My theory is that the mafia started off small, and is slowly growing bigger with "Traitors" that join the informed scum at a random time, maybe after a scum is lynched. This would make perfect sense, because every time a townie dies and gets revealed, there is an "innocent child" (See Sen) who has pure reads that can help triangulate scum. In terms of roles, this setup must be incredibly scum sided, because the town has an incredible advantage of being able to communicate with dead town members. As for the citizens turning into TPRs, I have two separate theories:
1. After a townie is lynched, a citizen turns into a TPR.
2. Citizens turn into TPRs at predetermined times.

That's enough classic DW setup speculation for now, onto my noteworthy reads.

Empathy17: This archon has very emotional responses, something I would expect from a townie or newb scum, but I'm willing to bet on this archon being town.

Calix: Boy, Calix is all over the place, that heavy tunnel on secondpassing wasn't a play I expected. This slot has been very aggressive, which tends to be a town move. However the same slot was aggressive Day 1 of "The Wrath of Lady Death", and responded very negatively to tunneling (see the Day 1 lynch of the same S-FM), Calix then said

Tunneling is a scum tell because...?

I'm not a Neutral, good job.

I am getting mixed reads from Calix, however I believe that everything I said regarding her is relevant.

TheDankestMeme: That claim makes turned me on, it seemed like TDM was playing as a citizen day/night 1, trying to attract the kill by being annoying as fuck. But now TDM is a TPR, and one of my biggest town reads.

Stealthbomber16: This fucker is hiding under the radar so well I actually forgot that he was in the game, null read, however he needs to step the fuck up.

Ernst Stavro Blofeld: What the actual fuck is this archon anyhow? I've seen very little in terms of contribution, but I can't really blame superjack for it. I can't read superjack well in any game, this isn't much of an exception, but I got a little town read from that massive post that pegged a few people.

Gyrlander: Thought process erratic, contradictory, explains little, logic jumps. I wanted to do a little bit of Abathur speak, but in all seriousness, was he this bad in Illuminati? Scum read based on my two posts #1223 and #1224

Funce: Bro that day 1 play was fucking horrid, and you kinda just sit in the shadows and pop up to poke someone whenever you find it convenient. I do believe that claim however, and it's a solid town read.

Drunkbringer: I suspect lazy scum, none of his posts alone stand out as scum together, but he's consistently tunneling TDM, he will most likely have my sometime down the road.

I really wish I could say more noteworthy things about the other players, but they don't stand out that much to me, except that interesting claim by AIVION, I'd like to hear more about that.

[deathworlds]

You comment it now but not before? Wtf? And are you actually going to post the revelant thing? Or not? I'm not going to sleep until I read it.

I look at word choice before sentence structure and what the sentence means.

[Gyrlander]

Thank you for posting it. My needs have been fulfilled.

"Scum read based on my two posts #1223 and #1224"

So your reasons are that:

1- You have only see villains in movies use the word fool.

2- Actually, the second comment has totally 100% reason, but anyway. All will have much sense soon, don't worry.

And you said you weren't going to do that, but you just super joined the "gonna lynch gyrlander" train.

[deathworlds]

Drunkbringer: I suspect lazy scum, none of his posts alone stand out as scum together, but he's consistently tunneling TDM, he will most likely have my vote sometime down the road.

Had to fix that statement.

[Gyrlander]

Guys, just wanted to say that a scum wouldn't say "I DONT FEEL THE NEED OF SCUM HUNTING". If I was one, I wouldn't be that amazingly dumb to just say that.

[deathworlds]

Thank you for posting it. My needs have been fulfilled.

"Scum read based on my two posts #1223 and #1224"

So your reasons are that:

1- You have only see villains in movies use the word fool.

2- Actually, the second comment has totally 100% reason, but anyway. All will have much sense soon, don't worry.

And you said you weren't going to do that, but you just super joined the "gonna lynch gyrlander" train.

If you're withholding information... You should probably reveal it now to help clear yourself.

I didn't think I was going to join the train, but that 1 post made me want to lynch you.

Guys, just wanted to say that a scum wouldn't say "I DONT FEEL THE NEED OF SCUM HUNTING". If I was one, I wouldn't be that amazingly dumb to just say that.

Lol at the heavy WIFOM, I literally said that my first game as scum. rip in peace.

[Stealthbomber16]

Stealthbomber16: This fucker is hiding under the radar so well I actually forgot that he was in the game, null read, however he needs to step the fuck up.

Hi.

I exist now, and in the spare 5-10 minutes I have to post this, I'd like to apologize for having a life. Its clearly something you haven't experienced before.
I don't know why I expected you to understand.

[deathworlds]

Hi.

I exist now, and in the spare 5-10 minutes I have to post this, I'd like to apologize for having a life. Its clearly something you haven't experienced before.
I don't know why I expected you to understand.

Bro, I literally took a 3 month hiatus because I wanted to life a bit. But I gotta say, that deflect almost worked.

[Stealthbomber16]

If you're withholding information... You should probably reveal it now to help clear yourself.

I didn't think I was going to join the train, but that 1 post made me want to lynch you.



Lol at the heavy WIFOM, I literally said that my first game as scum. rip in peace.

I've been reading Gyrlander as scum literally all game. Day 2 he kinda stepped it back, but this night I've been seeing his posts and they're scummier than FM Batman if FM Batman was high and roleplaying as a toadstool with diarrhea.

[Stealthbomber16]

Bro, I literally took a 3 month hiatus because I wanted to life a bit. But I gotta say, that deflect almost worked.

Apologies, just slightly pissed that I haven't had any spare time today.

Anything you want to ask me?

[Gyrlander]

If you're withholding information... You should probably reveal it now to help clear yourself.

I didn't think I was going to join the train, but that 1 post made me want to lynch you.



Lol at the heavy WIFOM, I literally said that my first game as scum. rip in peace.

1- As Calix asked, I won't say anything. At least until tomorrow.

2- If I was scum, I would be intelligent enough to just not say that so no one of you would say "you said that to just claim that no scum would affirm that they have no need for scum hunting and hope that cleans yourself" instead of just not mentioning it. Anyway, that proccess of thinking can be repeated infinite times so I guess I'll end up looking scum to you no matter what.

At least, before I go to bed I'll say something:

-It is true that right now I seem as a citizen to investigative roles
-I can't do any night/day action
-I don't/won't know if there are mafia members nor who are they.

[Gyrlander]

Good night, and hope no one of you dies.

[deathworlds]

Apologies, just slightly pissed that I haven't had any spare time today.

Anything you want to ask me?

If you could vig kill someone besides Gyrlander, who would you vig kill?

1- As Calix asked, I won't say anything. At least until tomorrow.

2- If I was scum, I would be intelligent enough to just not say that so no one of you would say "you said that to just claim that no scum would affirm that they have no need for scum hunting and hope that cleans yourself" instead of just not mentioning it. Anyway, that proccess of thinking can be repeated infinite times so I guess I'll end up looking scum to you no matter what.

At least, before I go to bed I'll say something:

-It is true that right now I seem as a citizen to investigative roles
-I can't do any night/day action
-I don't/won't know if there are mafia members nor who are they.

So you're one of those transforming roles I've been talking about?

[AIVION]

At least, before I go to bed I'll say something:

-It is true that right now I seem as a citizen to investigative roles
-I can't do any night/day action
-I don't/won't know if there are mafia members nor who are they.

Yep, Figured as much. Night sir.

[Stealthbomber16]

1- As Calix asked, I won't say anything. At least until tomorrow.

2- If I was scum, I would be intelligent enough to just not say that so no one of you would say "you said that to just claim that no scum would affirm that they have no need for scum hunting and hope that cleans yourself" instead of just not mentioning it. Anyway, that proccess of thinking can be repeated infinite times so I guess I'll end up looking scum to you no matter what.

At least, before I go to bed I'll say something:

-It is true that right now I seem as a citizen to investigative roles
-I can't do any night/day action
-I don't/won't know if there are mafia members nor who are they.

If Gyr isn't scum or a cit, then Gyr is some sort of self-confirming TPR like mayor, is what I'm getting out of this.
Gyrlander is wasting time because he wants to "reveal" tomorrow and that he is attempting to have the night phase which allows us to SPEAK with the DEAD PEOPLE be taken up because HE REFUSES TO REVEAL HIMSELF AS MAYOR because Calix told him to.

If you're a mayor or marshall, screw you.

[Stealthbomber16]

If you could vig kill someone besides Gyrlander, who would you vig kill?

This is a very interesting question.

Right now I don't have very strong feels for anyone. I would hold on to my vig kill tonight.

If I had to shoot someone tonight, I would shoot Firebringer.

Question for you:

If you were a mason, who would you recruit tonight?

[deathworlds]

This is a very interesting question.

Right now I don't have very strong feels for anyone. I would hold on to my vig kill tonight.

If I had to shoot someone tonight, I would shoot Firebringer.

Question for you:

If you were a mason, who would you recruit tonight?

I don't feel comfortable answering that question, because it outs citizens which can be used as bullet sponges.

[Stealthbomber16]

If you were a mason, who would you recruit tonight?

I will also ask this question to players @Gyrlander @Firebringer and @TheDankestMeme

[Stealthbomber16]

I don't feel comfortable answering that question, because it outs citizens which can be used as bullet sponges.

Actually, yea. Didn't think of this.

How about as a cultist, or if not that, Audit?

[deathworlds]

Actually, yea. Didn't think of this.

How about as a cultist, or if not that, Audit?

I'd go for TDM, because the investigation ability is powerful.

[Gyrlander]

If I was a masom, I would recruit a person that isn't pressuring me a lot But isn't being too inactive on the conv neither, so he could confirm me avoiding a mislynch But don't seem too obvious for a cultist target. I think I would do the same for cultist and auditor... TDM too. Only one that claimed a TPR

[TheDankestMeme]

@deathworlds

Our rolecard initially said nothing about becoming something else. Just that we are a citizen. Our night 1 feedback was that we were promoted, with our new rolecard.

@Stelathbomber16

We're not aason so we're not going to therorize on this. These types of questions don't benefit town.

[TheDankestMeme]

@Stealthbomber16

Read the post above

[deathworlds]

@deathworlds

Our rolecard initially said nothing about becoming something else. Just that we are a citizen. Our night 1 feedback was that we were promoted, with our new rolecard.

@Stelathbomber16

We're not aason so we're not going to therorize on this. These types of questions don't benefit town.

This further proves my theory.