Both MM and Ozy have "confirmed" soviet as town. so with that being said, I think him being either 1 of their partners is a strong chance.
Both MM and Ozy have "confirmed" soviet as town. so with that being said, I think him being either 1 of their partners is a strong chance.
I've been helping town all game. I'm a cit. Uhhh idk check my meta from last game when I was in a spat with MM. I think our reads aren't based on that much. It's hard to remember who says what. I get general feelings on who is talking. But I think the most important things are peoples role claims, and what they said their night action claims were.
You think that of the 3, me, mag, and noz, that im the scum? Oopf.
One thing - if we lynch today, and lynch wrong, we'll be at 3-2 in the night then 2-2 tomorrow (unless distorted' protect role works some magic). If we don't lynch, then we'll be at 3-2 tomorrow, and then either there will only be 2 TPR's remaining or only 2 cits remaining. That would ensure we lynch correctly tomorrow.
Last game you were very passive, didn't post much ect. I pointed that out and it was never answered. Also - you have 0 reads on anyone...that is what is a HUGE red flag. usually when scum get pressued (especially when they have been kicking back as the strongest town lead) they won't have very good leads on anything because they have not been focusing on reading people; since that takes a lot of time and effort. You even stated last page yourself how much work that takes, OBVIOUSLY you have NOT been following the individual reads on people this game if it is really that much work for you to come up with basic reads on people.
LMAO, if it's 2v2 we're fucked tomorrow. We need to lynch correctly today or Lynch tomorrow.
I'm gonna do an ISO on MM. BRB.
Pressure starts going towards you and Ozy and both go quickly into citing "no lynch" to be fair Ozy has been most of the time SINCE the rolecall. Instead of just putting out numbers, put out reads. we all know the numbers now, repeating "false lynch we lose" sounds more like a scare tactic at this point to prevent people from lynching or voting. it is keeping pressure low, which is exactly what scum wants.
if MM was indeed roleblocked, that puts no additional information for tomorrow but a dead town and pretty much 1 wrong vote and evils win.
No additional info other than a dead town because they can RB me and kill another TPR (if MM really is mason leader, itl be him). leaving it in the exact same scenario we are in now, just without a town. NOT WORTH IT. I would rather have more town opinions at this point than 1 less town opinion tomorrow and a HUGE chance to fuck up if some1 decides to randomly vote some1. you can say "yeah then they will get lynched", not if the 2 witches speedvote behind that.
Fuck, ignore this post. Meant to do an ISO but I didn't select enough messages.
O man you're hammerin' this one home. I need to go back and multiquote people.
Up until I was under the scope, my most towny reads were you and MM. I gave my listing a few times. When you noted MM is less aggressive than the past I think that's true also, and is cause for concern (the other 2 games he was doing what you are doing now, but he'd do it repeatedly and to almost everyone).
I want to make one point before I call it a night. Let's see if we all can agree on it.
@Distorted , if you feel that soviet might be evil of the Citizen group, then can we agree to abstain for Day2 to be safe?
Because I won't lynch anyone from TPR group - another night is needed for it.
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Can we agree to Abstain for Day2 and hope there is no Arsonist+GF witch duo? Because I think we can't find the evil TPR claim, while Distorted thinks that Noz might not be the evil citizen claim.
There is no need to lynch Day2 if we are uncertain!
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There's no misdirection witch. It's a killer witch and a cryomage, or whatever it is called (consort). You are growing more town-like, distorted. I wonder if we should simply push in the TPRs section. After all, I know I'm not scum, and I know you're very probably not scum (if you are I HATE YOU!!!). In fact, I think the one I should ISO is OzyWho.
I pushed at Ozy and Soviet jumped in and started accusing me, which is 30 minutes after he said he needed to think. he was lurking and it was literally within 3 minutes of me pushing ozy he is defending him. So, honestly I am fine with either.
@Soviet_Love If me and MM are your most town reads, why not question Ozy or allow me to without interfearing? better yet, why not put a vote there? Your 2 most town reads and 1 scum are in a group of 3 and u don't push the 3rd. instead, you still question the person he "investigated", but wouldent that make even more evidence for a lynch on Ozy?
We won't be more certain of anything D3. The only thing we'll lose is a townie. The RBer will destroy leads. I do not agree. Also, you seem wanting to push a lot against lynching today. Would you be relying on Noz to just not vote and not do shit so you can win? You didn't even want to rolecall. It's not pro-town at all.
-vote OzywhoThis as well is with intent on a lynch.
I would be MORE comfoortable with an Ozy, but i wanted to see how Ozy would react when I pushed at Soviet. Since Soviet jumped to Ozy, wanted to see if Ozy would do the same. He did not at all address my information on Soviet even after i voted him, instead went to pushing for no lynch further; and now trying to recruit everyone else to do the same.
Couldn't post more than those, for some reason I bugged out...?
Yeah, talk some more, Ozy.
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We will lose a townie, yes (IF its GF).
However - one mislynch and we lose.
So I ask you this: Would you rather gambit a lynch today or tommorow? Could you possibly tommorow have LESS info than today? I think not. If we find evil today and are certain - I'm all for a lynch. But if we are uncertain - I'm against it.
You say we we won't be more certain tommorow than today.
I say we won't be less certain tommorow than today.
Nothing to lose, only to gain
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It might not be such a bad idea to abstain today. Either one of us will die... which would put us at 3v2. One of the Citizen or TPR claims will be eliminated - if we abstain, I predict with near certainty that either Distorted or Noz will no longer be among us. Which might be a bad idea.
If we have an Arsonist, WE CANNOT ABSTAIN TODAY HOWEVER. IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE DO NOT.
My list of reads:
I'm not fucking sure anymore. At the beginning of the today, if you would've asked me, I would've said that Marshmallow and Noz are the only ones I would attempt to lynch.
I have posted up many but Ill run it again:
Reads as of Day start:
my suspicions on MM were based on his playstyle difference.
my suspicions on magoroth was due to painting blink as a scum, and blink starting to push him back then dying.
my suspicions on Ozy were gone after we argued, i had him as a town slot.
my annoyance with Noz is stop signing up unless you know you can post more than 2x per day.
my suspicions on SCVMurderer are null because he is in the other game.
my reads on Soviet were town due to his frequent posting of useful information, but suspiciouns due to a huge difference in playstyle from last game (which he was town in) - actually the last 2 games.
Current reads:
Soviet has not been posting any reads on people, just stating the facts of the game with math. it is clear he is not following individuals or trying to pick up on patterns. He even stated how much work that would be, and im guessing because it is because he would have to "start now" and reread everything. He labeled me and MM as his strongest town reads, but jumped in to push back at me when I started pushing at Ozy.
Ozy claimed sheriff, which a sheriff claim from a Witch would know everyones feedback here, so it is an easy, solid claim. He continuously pushes at the afk, rather than using the time to push leads or question anyone else. When I pushed at soviet for the reasons stated above, he started tagging everyone to get everyone to agree on a "no lynch" today with him. That is probably my biggest red flag here. I can go into more details of throughout the game, but that is an off-the-top quick read.
I rather LyLo where we are even by 1% more certain on whom to lynch than MyLo where we gamble.
The thing is - imagine if the killer is MM and not GF. The consort can't role block both - me and you. So either you will be confirmed or I will find an evil/good guy. It's a huge victory for the good guys in that case.
About me saying all my reads about people - I will, probably, do it tommorow. As I have many times in this game already. Day1 and early Day2 I have definetly done it more than anyone, except maybe Distorted. So don't worry about it. But now - I'm really fucking tired guys.
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Assuming it is a GF, WE ARE AT LYLO. I have a real life and I cannot be committed to these games with all of my time. I would actually like to have time to kick back and relax and have this just be the thing I do over and over is just something I'm not interested in. From now on I will usually reserve or if the set up intrigues me and I have the time sign up for it.
"I don't take advice from people less successful than me"
~Kanye West
In the other games I also wanted to talk about probabilities and wait until night actions and have people claim roles. People got upset at me there as well for not dissecting people. Ok maybe in FM you're supposed to read from people's metas, and you meta meta change your meta so people can't meta read your meta, but I think that's retarded.
The big things to go off of are getting role claims, night action claims, and who seems to be speaking up for whom and for what reasons. I know either Noz or Mag are scum so I'd like to focus on them.
[/vote] unvote [/vote] before i forget. I want to keep Ozy at L-2. whoever puts him in L-1 will be the target of my vote.
DO NOT VOTE OZY UNLESS WE ARE 100% SURE HE IS SCUM
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~Kanye West
-vote unvoteahh im a idiot
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Hmmm Ozy. I guess it's possible.
The big things for him that I think are relevant is: he has claimed sheriff, claim to have invested mag, claimed to have gotten a not suspicious.
-I liked that he was the first TPR to claim. I think that is plus points for him.
-I dislike that his role is sheriff, particularly when 2/3 of the killing roles for witch are not suspicious. Sheriff is an easily claimed role for a bad guy. Then again, every role that's been claimed (even vig, doc and bg softclaim by distorted) is easily claimed. Of the 3, I suppose his is the hardest to prove because he needs to go again n2.
-I was suspicious of mag for a long time, but I'm getting less suspicious when I think it's either him or Noz. So maybe the Not Suspcious verdict makes sense.
It's hard to say. I also posted earlier about all the different possibilities (both ozy and mag are scum, one or the other, both town) hoping people would comment on it. When I spoke in his defense I was raising some other possibility, didn't realize I was aligning myself with Ozy. Other than Noz/Mag (of which one must be town) I had Ozy as the scummiest TPR claim!
Let me think about Ozy. What happens if we get it wrong? If godfather, then we lose (unless Distorted is actually protective role and MM is the scum).
I'm also antsy about Distorted soft-claiming a protective role when we know there's a consort/cyromage, and it is natural for a scum consort to claim to be town escort/other protect.
The buddying started when he said you were confirmed town long ago - that was the post when you came in diverting the conversation away from me accusing your "scummiest TPR" read.
And that is the exact reason I just posted this:
It would get u responding again. Whenever i bring up Ozy you start chiming in trying to pull attention off - PLEASE provide an ICO or reads on everyone, something you have gathered. Right here, right now these interactions are giving a shit-load of information.@Magoroth @Noz_Bugz are u guys comfortable with this lynch?