You're convinced, what's the point?
I am obviously at point in relation to you where there is no coming back. It'd be a waste of everyone's time to go back and forth for you to say the same thing you've already said twice now.
You're positive I am scum, and that's all anyone needs to know.
-vote PowersThatBe
I'm going away now. I may check on this thread before sleeping, but this is my last post until tomorrow.
Because Jack was scummy. In my and others opinion. You disagree, so you think you're right.
It's funny when people succumb to confirmation bias. You already assumed AR/Thug was going to be a shit player. So you pushed for a policy lynch. Instead of trying to actually interpret the behavior of people who were here, and then left. AR could have come here and given pages of information, reads, votes, etc. You would have found another way for it to fit your narrative that he needed to go.
Or you would have switched to @Gyrlander . I just don't like people walking into games, already deciding who they're going to lynch based on who the player is. It actually ruins the value of the game for people who aren't as full of themselves as you are.
AR was a town claim, and the only motivation for lynching him was because you "wanted to save the soul of FM." It was not game motivated, it did not move this game forward, and it probably has a net negative effect for town.
i also, find it curious that in the moment you were freaking out about Jacks hammer that he mysteriously showed up in the nick of time to save himself. Either he had that planned the whole time, or perhaps, you cared so much about his lynch you reached out to him.
You know what, not going to continue down this path.
As I said before, Banana you have all of the answers and I'm just some stupid scrublord. Well, everyone has a hamartia. And if you're town, yours is your innate arrogance and finely tuned superiority complex, where you just automatically assume you know what's best for everyone else.
When clearly Arrow and Stereo are scum shit.
Oh lord another wall rant. Goody.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Oh, and you don't read them because you don't have to. It's not a rant, it's a response. Clearly you're too good to read them, because god you've got it all figured out.
Or maybe you're scum and you don't care.
Anyhow, you should read it, because, well maybe it'll help you in the long run.
Some thoughts I had while laying in bed.
Possible scum and reasons for this train of thought. This is just a theory.
Banana: Leader of the scums. Decided to push a PL lynch, knowing AR would be great cannon fodder. Also knew Gyrlander would be great secondary or backup lynch if needed. Took time to discredit me, and call me a village idiot to make it look like I am stupid for putting my focus on two of her teammates. She also has been doing something called subtle rationalization. Meaning: Every time Arrow or Stereo did something somewhat scummy, she explained it away each time. With arrow it was that he is new to FM and has no idea what he is doing, so he should get a pass. She knew that she could hard push a lynch on AR with ease, thus allowing her mates to fly under the radar. She also thought up the idea to make a deal with DW, then kill him, then claim that it was obviously a set up, more so for stereo then for her. She even takes the time to state that she now reads stereo as town because obviously, whomever killed DW, was clearly trying to frame Stereo. The kill would be almost too obvious to be stereo, but she knew she is mostly viewed as town and has swaying power as suggested by the vote support on AR, so it would not stick out that she suggests he has to be town, without overtly defending him. She then tells arrow to "be more involved" on day two, but doesn't call anyone else out. She's trying to make it look like she's running the show, and that she's trying to help the little baby bird arrow along. This would seem town motivated because she's asking for him to contribute to the game. However, she's offered no reads, other then to put a vote on mesk for "shitty voting pattersns"
She chooses to interpret everything different than me, especially an obvious scum slip by stereo earlier. She clearly told him if he scum slips or I tunnel him to OMGUS vote me, so then she could easily point out that it was an OMGUS vote and she would suggest that he "calm down" ...so then no one is looking at stereo in a way other then, wow, he's probably a shitty town.
Arrow: Let's be honest. Arrow is the WARDEN of the mod. He is very intricately familiar with playstyles and meta. He has been around a long time, and this whole, ''I don't know what i'm doing act" is really obvious to me. Whats more obvious is when he's intentionally using definitions wrong, and banana comes in and corrects him. ON the surface level, you would probably assume that he doesn't know what he's doing and she's helping him learn. But truth be told, he is very very familiar with mafia, just go look at some of the reports he comments on, or has processed himself. He shows a very intimate knowledge of the game. While mod is different, it's still the same concept in the end. Arrow is a very long form thinker. Do not mistake his "bad playing" for face value. He's slipped up and given away that he has more knowledge than he's letting on. Do you really think, an admin of this site, would be this new and not understanding of the game? That requires a ton of suspension of disbelief. Banana is shepherding him to victory, by acting as his guardian angel. Also, notice how Arrow pushed jack as scum? Never wanted to vote for him though? Pushed for him a few times, couldn't give developed reads, but Jack was scum 100% in his mind, just not enough for him to vote on it. Weird right? Only scum read and you choose a policy lynch? But of course the policy lynch was a better option in his mind because Banana had been saying it for 30 pages, so clearly, if you say it enough it makes sense to enough people, that way it doesn't look shady that he sided with Banana because she got a consensus vote. He's also pushing the Village Idiot theory on me, but he pretends he doesn't fully understand what it means.
Stereo: Scum slipped and said he knows I'm green, but then when question said, that he didn't read me as green. Has no reads, has no input. Was tunneled by DW, pretty successfully. But once again, Banana undermined that tunnel. BC was going to vote with DW, and we all know DW was going to tunnel Stereo, so the only plan was to kill DW, then make it look like a frame job. Then BC tells everyone "hey this looks like a frame job." and town reads Stereo. Stereo hammered AR right away the second he could. Once again, could hide behind the PL alibi. Also, has BC pulling focus from him anytime someone focuses in on him by pushing the focus on to something else or someone else. OR she undermines the read or tells everyone that the person making the read is ineffectual in some way. She subtly undermines people who target Stereo or Arrow. And she does it in such a way that is not overtly defending them.
Instead of defending them, she tears down the accuser, much like a lawyer would during cross examination of a witness.
Just a theory. Goodnight.
Good night. I'll get to read that awful enormous and horrible coloured wall post.
Thank you Anonymous Donor
Ptb you are getting too emotional and letting it cloud your thoughts. Which was why it was easy to tunnel on you (if I hadn't slept) dont let things get to complicated and don't tunnel too deep.
But you are town read by me, you had been when I was tunnelling you. But the more vote trains the better, it's a good thing that we have multiple trains to vca with.
I'm at work for now, with 5 people calling in sick I doubt o can do much until I get home.
What I am wary of are the poor votes, or lack of votes, people made during day 1. And I will dig into them tonight after managing some audits.
Okay, just woke up and I 100% agree with SuperJack on Firebringer. I don't consider this normal Firebringer because he usually tries to aggravate more people as Town. It has the same sense of inactivity that I felt when he was sk.
Mesk still made that sketchy vote which may or may not have been an attempt to Quick hammer. Not only that, but she didn't come back.
Directed to Stereo: Yesterday DW had you as his strongest scum-read, and I just saw you say that no town would be confident in you being scum. That makes no sense.
-vote Firebringer
Sorry, I don't know why but I meant to address the rest of the paragraphs (in short form).
I'm not sure you entirely understand the difference. you can't say that someone is scum because you think they are pretending not to know stuff.
1.) Arrow has RARELY played FM. Out of my time here, the FM and this game are the only times I've seen him play. I requested to play with him this game because I thought it would be fun to play with him, but he did mention to me that he didn't have a ton of experience (check the FM for Cruise Elroy, He was town there but clueless as ever). The argument on Arrow that you have presented for him is weak.
Stereo did not slip or what I'm reading is what he said. Explain it in less depth (because I don't want to read those walls all the time). I also don't remember BC trying to pull focus from people, she has been more reasonable this game than usual:
I am busy today but I'll get to this later.
My reads have shifted a bit due to the flip.
Deathworlds is odd kill.
Banana is probably town. I'd imagine she would kill me if she was scum, was only one pressuring her yesterday.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
-vote Stereo
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
I won't be around to do any detailed analysis for about 8 hours.
So if anyone could, ISO Firebringers posts To get a better view. Before he gets here so there is a solid case about His possible alignment. Rather than a Suspicion that can be easily de bunked and protected against.
@Gyrlander
Want to prove useful?
Could you do the ISO and analysis on all of firebringers post and then give your opinion. Doesn't matter if you get it wrong or it looks bad =) give your full effort for it.
You are writing a lot without saying much. You could have prolly said all this in a single paragraph. Most of it is IIoA and the rest doesn't really have a firm backing.
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I am not sure who I am going to vote today. I have a lot of people I think could be Scum, but nothing is solid. I was thinking of voting Stereo for that terrible hammer, but then I thought maybe he doesn't know any better because he is new to FMs. Then I see this shitty post by PTB and I don't know what to think. It really sucks that we are down a Doc already. I will try and Scum hunt today. We really need a Scum lynch today.
Nice to see the pressure on fire
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
I assure you I am not trying to frame anyone. When I play scum I usually just kill the people that say I am Scum. Reason for this is very simple: NKA is pretty much just WIFOM that doesn't really help anyone and if it does help someone, it usually helps Scum. I know prolly 2 people that can do NKA accurately on a consistent basis.
But, anyways, I will town read you if you Town read me. I will Town read you anyways, but I say this so we can try and get a Town block going. I think the people in the Town block should be 4 people: You, me, yzb and yes, Gyrlander.