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    Re: S-FM 210: Give or Take

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Lol this actually does kinda give me an "Eggy is town" vibe given the switch to yzb and it really could be as simple as yzb/Titus
    It is. I am 1000000% confident I know exactly what the scum team is. It does not matter who I vote. The only way we lose is if you are actually scum and then you are some kind of genius so you deserve to win if thats the case. Just place your vote. Either one guarantees us a win. And if you are still skeptical and dont trust me just put the jailkeeper on either me or titus and its a 50% chance we are still in the game. This is really frustrating because I have never been so certain of who the scum is except for in my first game ever. The only way YZ is not scum in your eyes is if you think the scum team is me and titus but I really dont care who we lynch between the 2. Its a 75% chance we win right now even if we voted randomly between me titus and YZ. 2 of us are scum one is town. If we lynch a scum today and jailkeep claims who he is blocking then its auto win for town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Wtf why are we voting YZB. Dude eggy are you retarded. If you're not scum, Titus is a sure bet.
    If me and Eggy are citizen, Titus and yzb are scum. The order doesn't matter. MiniZed brought up a great question of why Titus and not yzb in case egg was trying to pull a fast one as scum.

    Eggy is willing to lynch both which actually helps me town read him. So we're going to lynch yzb first.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Wtf why are we voting YZB. Dude eggy are you retarded. If you're not scum, Titus is a sure bet.
    Both are sure bets?? Have you not been paying attention? Only way they are not both scum is if BC is scum which I refuse to believe. Since I know im cit I kno they are both scum so I really dont care who we lynch between the 2. If we lynch either one we win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Ok.

    Lets lynch yzb. @MiniZed please tell us before day end who you plan to block, Eggy or Titus. Then we know if you die that that person isn't scum. And then we'll vote after.
    I think it makes sense to jail Titus. I think both of them scum-reading each other might just be them bussing. Even if we get scum and I jail the wrong one it's still 4v1 so I am not worried about that.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    I have bias towards MiniZed ^.^
    Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggy View Post
    It is. I am 1000000% confident I know exactly what the scum team is. It does not matter who I vote. The only way we lose is if you are actually scum and then you are some kind of genius so you deserve to win if thats the case. Just place your vote. Either one guarantees us a win. And if you are still skeptical and dont trust me just put the jailkeeper on either me or titus and its a 50% chance we are still in the game. This is really frustrating because I have never been so certain of who the scum is except for in my first game ever. The only way YZ is not scum in your eyes is if you think the scum team is me and titus but I really dont care who we lynch between the 2. Its a 75% chance we win right now even if we voted randomly between me titus and YZ. 2 of us are scum one is town. If we lynch a scum today and jailkeep claims who he is blocking then its auto win for town.
    Well I am a genius.... Let me tell you about my credentials lol

    But naw I play more straightforward as scum. Doubtcast, shading, etc. I don't fake claim and then admit to fake claiming lol
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Well I am a genius.... Let me tell you about my credentials lol

    But naw I play more straightforward as scum. Doubtcast, shading, etc. I don't fake claim and then admit to fake claiming lol
    Thats why I beleive you lol. It would be the craziest play ive ever witnessed if you were scum. Why do you guys not place your votes? MZ claimed who he is gnna jail its gg lets just get this over with

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggy View Post
    Well are u jailing titus 100% you cant change your mind or it might lose us the game. Other than that there is nothing left to discuss.
    Fair point. I don't see any reason to change my decision, and if I did I could just say so if I live.

    -vote yzb25
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    I have bias towards MiniZed ^.^
    Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniZed View Post
    Fair point. I don't see any reason to change my decision, and if I did I could just say so if I live.

    -vote yzb25
    Yea but if u target the wrong person chances are you wont live so you have to say it now. If you or anyone else dies we know the person you didnt target is the last scum if no one dies we go into the next day 4v1 and can lynch me and titus in any order we want and automatically win. Im pretty sure the last scum is going to concede after we lynch YZ if they are not a fucking asshole and dont wnna drag this out for no reason.

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    Game Over

    yzb25 was lynched. He was the Jailkeeper.

    The
    Mafia has won.




    Players Graveyard
    BananaCucho
    DarknessB
    Eggy
    GameFreak
    JealousTL
    MattZed
    Mesk514
    MiniZed
    Never Unlucky
    secondpassing
    Titus
    yzb25
    Never Unlucky [Citizen] - Lynched Day 1
    MattZed [Citizen] - Killed Night 1
    JealousTL [Citizen] - Killed Night 2
    GameFreak [Backup Jailkeeper] - Killed Night 2
    secondpassing [Citizen] - Lynched Day 3
    DarknessB [Vigilante] - Killed Night 3
    yzb25 [Jailkeeper] - Lynched Day 4
    BananaCucho [Citizen] - End-gamed
    Eggy [Citizen] - End-gamed
    Mesk514 [Backup Sleuth] - End-gamed
    MiniZed [Sleuth] - Survived
    Titus [Mafioso] - Survived

    Friendly reminder to keep post-game comments civil.

    I have a lot to say about this 'game' but tl;dr: Town was lethargic and barely analysed anything while the scum lurked it out. This was the most frustrating game I've ever hosted.

    You lot somehow managed to be even more insufferable than the game with two mod-kills, incessant spamming, and a game-thrower.

    You're all going to whine at @yzb25 and claim that he was the sole reason that town lost, but he was only part of the endemic problem this game. With regards to him, I'll just cover the obvious:


    • Hammering two town-reads - Not only is this anti-town (as a town flip almost NEVER gives town enough information to justify a mislynch), it also serves to destroy your own credibility and thus allows scum to discredit you. Furthermore, he never stated an intent to hammer (thus cutting people off in a setup with no Last Wills) and if anything had made posts condemning early hammers beforehand.




    • Fake-claiming in MYLO - This does nothing but muddy the waters further. Beforehand, town was on the right track and had pegged the scum team. The moment he claimed Citizen (an oversubscribed claim) he immediately got lynched for it. I find it impossible to blame BananaCucho and Eggy for scum-reading him for such a claim - the second scum had no choice but to counter-claim a TPR regardless. yzb's actions only gave MiniZed a red carpet to attain 'confirmed town' status.



    • Not submitting a night action N3 - Given that he scum-read DarknessB, a roleblock on him would not have been out of the realm of possibility. Failing to protect/ roleblock ANYONE before a MYLO scenario is piss-poor planning.



    However I don't consider it an intentional game-throw as opposed to genuine stupidity.

    yzb's actions are a perfect example of why Fancy Play Syndrome should NOT be encouraged in games.

    His actions, including scum-reading himself and town-clearing the Sleuth by not claiming his role, were WIFOM for the sake of WIFOM.

    He is the poster child for why the simple options are the best options.


    -vote Nobody


    I'll be posting further analysis but I figured I would address the elephant in the room first.

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    hey geniuses, titus was pretty much hard on... but noooooo
    -.-

    excuse me while i go have a temper tantrum
    [mod]Please keep post-game discussion civil[/mod]
    Last edited by MattZed; August 31st, 2016 at 08:09 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

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    Sorry my game was not 100%. I had legit major RL concerns that were work related. I shined when I was here but I still wish y'all go better.

    In no circumstances on D2 should I have reminded of deadline but meh, I felt like a dick for low activity and town me would have done it.

    PR VT massclaim should have been sooner. Too many fakes too.

    -vote MiniZed


    Ty for carrying me when I fell.

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    First off, I'd like to brag to the scum for falling for my fake Jailkeeper softing and killing me N1 instead of an actual TPR. =P

    I agree with Calix that simple tactics are in general the best. I see what yzb was doing, trying to trick scum into claiming his role so he could CC them and thus discover the scum. However, not claiming his unique role meant a train could suddenly build on him while he was AFK, and this ultimately proved his demise.

    I'd give a speech about why voting this quickly at MYLO or LYLO is bad, but I'm sure someone will for me. It wasn't the worst MYLO vote, though. I could objectively see why so many people scumread yzb. (I did for a while; although now I suspect he was going after me so hard because I was softing his role, and people pretending to be his role was one of his main scumhunting techniques)

    A special congratulations to my mini-me for being bold enough to fakeclaim knowing the real JK could come on at any moment and mess him up.

    gg everyone!
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Despite the catastrophic ending to the game, the fact that the town lost is something they deserved.

    They failed to lynch a single scum the entire game despite the scum's mediocre performance (with MiniZed flipping on his read three times in the span of twenty minutes, Titus reactively scum-reading everyone who pushed her and GameFreak agreeing with everyone) and it was obvious by Day 3 that they were relying on the Vigilante to solve the game for them.

    "But town were so close to winning until yzb - "

    No, that isn't something that the TOWN were responsible for. That was due to the scum team's incompetence with killing TPRs (DarknessB had been investigated on Night 2), thus allowing players to clear townies via role claims. Anyone trying to take credit for that needs to improve their standards for what 'good play' means.

    Never Unlucky's mislynch was a lynch for the sake of lynching due to town's apathy in finding the scum. secondpassing's mislynch was due to the town willfully ignoring Titus. (only secondpassing analysed her in any depth) yzb's was based on the maligned 'scum slip' as town tried their best to find the 'game-breaking' strategy that meant they wouldn't have to resort to actually reading players.

    None of the lynches this game were well-founded.

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    I'd like to thank SP for tunnelling Eggy so hard I couldn't fathom the idea of Titus being scum.

    YZB for hammering on two mislynches

    Darkness and Banana for putting up with my temper tantrums

    and all you other fuckers for thinking I'm somewhat mentally challenged.

    GG all
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    (DarknessB had been investigated on Night 2)
    LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

    i definitely didn't call that.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggy View Post
    Wow wtf how are you so stupid YZ wtf are u serious y did u claim cit....... wtf is ur problem fuck.... jesus christ....
    While, yes, his play was off the charts bad, he isn't the sole reason why town lost, as Calix has mentioned. You have your part of responsibility to take -- take it if you ever want to improve. In the 170 posts you've made, <10 posts were non-fluff posts that had some sort of value for town to work with. You played very reactively, which is a scumtell unlike what Titus'll say, and didn't EVEN TRY to READ any of the players. All of your scum-team scenario were based on mechanics/PoE rather than reads/tells/intents/etc. In that sense, you got SP MLed because he was 110% to you scum since you, Titus and BC were the cit takers. Zero scum-hunting in your play. Moreover, you lurked from end of D1 to D3 which of course did not help the town.

    You're one of the most experienced players in here in terms of GP (sad to say), yet your play NEVER IMPROVES from one game to another. If anything, it gets worse.

    Take your part of responsibility. You played like shit too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    DUDE, YOURE ONLY LEFT ALIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EXTRA CHROMOSOME DO YOU NOT SEE THAT

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    What I've come to learn so that patience in voting and dragging it put til full day vs hammering early has had the same result. Adding extra hours almost never change a anything.

    I enjoyed this game, fuck off with all of your post game rants that happen after each. And. Every. Game. They get old real fast.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

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    I was going to complain more but I've already calmed down so I'll just remind @Mesk514 and @Eggy to not circle-jerk around each other as hard.

    Nobody wants to deal with blind aggression and caps lock which consists of nothing but "I KNOW HE'S TOWN", complete with bringing a chainsaw to anyone who questioned this. Once is fine. Doing it almost every game is just repetitive for players to deal with.

    Nobody is going to listen to such 'arguments' because they are based on nothing. Work on your persuasion abilities please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    I was going to complain more but I've already calmed down so I'll just remind @Mesk514 and @Eggy to not circle-jerk around each other as hard.

    Nobody wants to deal with blind aggression and caps lock which consists of nothing but "I KNOW HE'S TOWN", complete with bringing a chainsaw to anyone who questioned this. Once is fine. Doing it almost every game is just repetitive for players to deal with.

    Nobody is going to listen to such 'arguments' because they are based on nothing. Work on your persuasion abilities please.
    my play was definitely better than secondpassings.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    my play was definitely better than secondpassings.
    [insert obligatory "comparing yourself to someone 'worse' than you is a terrible way to help you improve" post here]

    I know you're not going to learn anything from this and will continue to play the same way regardless, so I'll just leave it here.

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    https://sc2mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Forum_Mafia_Terminology

    Some Wiki reading for everyone:

    FPS (Fancy Play Syndrome) – Refers to a player who uses overly elaborate strategies or arguments to play toward his win condition, when a far simpler approach could have sufficed and which would have usually been far less risky. This term is derogatory in nature and is typically used to criticize players who overcomplicate the game or use excessively unconventional or novel strategies in the place of more conventional ones that are more likely to be received positively by their allies / faction.

    Lynch All Liars – Refers to a philosophy used in games that people who lie to the Town about their roles, night information, or anything else should be lynched by the Town ("lynch the liar") based on their dishonesty suggesting that they could be scum.

    • Proponents of this theory believe that Town members should always (or almost always) be truthful because misleading the Town is harmful and can result in confusion to the Town's investigation / thought process.


    • Those against this theory see the value in Town members sometimes executing gambits or reaction tests that could involving temporarily lying.


    • Generally speaking, however, most players agree that Town members should not lie unless there is a really good reason for doing so and that lying is usually a decent indication that someone might be scum (unless there is a really good reason or a player often executes gambits).

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    Re: S-FM 210: Give or Take

    I understand the obvious tendency not to turn this into a Yzb hate thread, but what happened really was bad -- one of the worst decisions I've seen in an S-FM. I'm not hating the person, but I'm definitely hating the player's actions this game.

    Lying to the Town is a big deal and not something to play around with -- that doesn't even take into account that it was MYLO and the entire Town had pegged the scumteam before Yzb's insanely risky gambit. Enough with gambits -- really. If you're not an incredibly seasoned player, they end up backfiring 95% of the time. The moral of the story here is don't try to be a hero and just take the lynches on the table.
    Last edited by DarknessB; August 31st, 2016 at 08:30 PM.

 

 

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