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Well very good point. I did not see it like that. Well I guess then I disverve what I get. Now at lest I see why I am being scum read. I can't argue with that. I have hurt town. I have no doubt you are town at this point. please give me your reads. not questioning you I want to see if I see anything I have not thought of if you dont mind.
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i would prefer gyrlander over stealth tbh, but ill give slaol some credit in his reads here. he cant vote so between the 2 ill side with whom he is confident is mafia. i really hope @Slaol explains his reads tomorrow >=O frustrating lol
Voss What is your hang up with me Sorry but I still dont town read you fully. you have had a hard target for me yet you have me in the middle. so It will not look like you wanted me up there you have been pushing me.
Am I going to die tonight I will bet money I will when I flip green REmember VOSS is one who also pushed me to be voted. At this point I have accepted I am the one dieing tonight. I just want town To remember bemer who Pushed my Vote. Dont let the fact Voss has me in the middle of his vote fool you
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FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Dude I am not able to check or adjust vote. when I am at church. Sundays are hard for me I even put it out in the first few pages when we started go read early posts.
Voss you are the scummiest read to me
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At lest when i die everyone will have my vote with you at top Voss no where to hide.
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FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
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sorry forgot to order others
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FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Sorry, Everyone Someone pissed me off in Real life and I took it out on game. Voss I had not read all your post yet I just did and I was wrong . If i get voted and killed so be it. I screwed up. Mixed real life and game big mistake.
I am not Red that is the truth if you vote me vote me I am not going to give town any good info. I am making it worse for town Ie why Sloal told me to stop posting. This is true people I am not Red that is a fact. If You guilty me we can still win. and at lest will get town to stop suspecting me and let town vote for true Red. Maybe best thing for town to do is Guilty me and get me out of town distraction. I am Like SB16 right now in Basic. he was town and we lost because town saw him as scum when he was not I did not vote him d1 because I believed him to be town. If i had lyched Sb16 we would have seen him flip town and had a chance to win. I dont want to cost town a win.
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thank you for that. I normally can read people yes. but this save Has me in a jumble. Here is what I think the scum having that day chat is able to plot and play. to make themselves look more townie. So meta is good at this point. but I dont have meta on players like you do. What scares me is this What if our strongest town reads are scum. Follow with me ok. please dont jump on the train to discred this thought.
Everyone here is experienced. Meta has been thrown around so much If I was scum I would Act pro town to make people belive me. since this is an easy scum win. lych 2 town scum wins. Inn scum 2 times scum win.
So Why would it make sense for scum to act scummy but more townie in this save. This is why I am at a loss for who is scum. I go back to chicago last game I knew Mag was scum because he slipped up and said I am scum and quickly took it back. Blink did the same thing now you say me bring ing that back up is scummy BLINK WAS IN THAT GAME. Do you all not see it I mean WOW.
So moving Blink to top.
When you lych me you will see it.
Sorry distorted but you can be scum defending Blink no i ma not scum painting you but I have NO IDEA who to vote for only lead I have is a Posable Slip up by Blink. Could I be wrong yes But what else do we have?
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this is what throws me off.....every time you get brought up you pop in. remember the MU game? i pointed out 2 scums (you were 1 of them) doing just that lol. I even kept asking, "wtf are you guys pinging each other in scum chat??" i can link to the exact posts if needed lol but this just so strongly reminds me of that.
Distorted you earned a lot of towncred in my eyes for this. I did not even think of this. He was online viewing this the whole time also no post. I think you are on to something Distorted. Just humor me on this what do you think of a posable SB16 Blink team.
Remember basic I read PTB and YZB25 as scum and they where. 1st game I played
Then Chicago. I read Mag as scum he was. and Brendon I knew when he claimed the last name and when he claimed Vig. 2nd game I played.
I get the same feeling about blink I did with PTB first and Mag 2nd.
You do bring up a great point on SB16.
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As you said yourself I am not a stupid player Why would I make myself scummy at start when best play in this set up is for scum to lay low.
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Found 1 of them. Post game i was asking if they were pinging each other because literally, every time stealth started getting voted or talked about he would pop in.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...=1#post2738916
Before I get to my previous post, let me explain why this post is absolutely fucking horrible and you should feel bad.
Here are all the possible reasons I can think of for this happening that don't include us both pinging each other in scum chat. Pick and choose what you want to make a shit-salad!
- We're both scum and just posting at the same time.
- I actually wasn't lying about me being at work all day and have been popping in when I have time
- Mike actually wasn't lying about being busy and has been popping in when he has had time
- Neither of us are scum and it's just a massive fucking coincidence that we're posting at the same time
- I'm lying about work and just have been lurking and posting to scumpaint Mike because he's my exe target
- The above scenario but reversed
- We're IRL friends and I'm texting him to get his ass in here because the topic has shifted to him (false by the way)
- You're scum and one of us are pinging you to make this exact point
The scumpainting can go deeper, too. And if I'm not mistaken the scum chat from that game was made public postgame so you could literally see that your entire point was false because i made about 6 posts in scum chat that game and they were almost all about how i wasnt going to be lynched that day
the fact that you were pinging is false, however it still showed you were lurking and selectively responding. which im getting the vibe for this game. thats not the sole reason for a scumread, honestly i know you are a good player and wouldent mind forcing you to talk on trial. A top vote isnt a death setnance, we can use it to get people who are less active to post more. I think thats a great strategy to use it for, especially on day 1.
Good night I am going to bed. If i am dead so be it.
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OH yea I wanted to say that... Since neutrals are hiding, we can lynch our neutral reads if we don't know about scum reads if we ever lynch a town. This way we don't end up having two mislynches in a row and we reset the two-in-a-row counter.
Remember this if I get lynched.
Alright now onto this:
I'm taking a very Lenneth approach to the lynch this game because it seems like it would be particularly relevant here since there are technically two phases to the lynch. The voting phase and the trial in itself. What I mean by this is that we have an extra 48(???) hours during a trial to gain information surrounding a player. It doesn't really need to be a lynch, we just get so much information from trials in general because of the fact that two players are removed from the voting pool, changing the majority and outcome. So it makes sense to vote someone up with a lot of interaction with multiple different players. Here's 2 reasons why Damus is one of the best people to trial with this thought process (Even acknowledging that I'm doing a full 180 with my read on him as he was at the bottom of my list earlier today lol)
1. No meta.
The last game I remember Damus playing was actually the one running when I signed for my first S-FM way back when I was a wee pup. It's been fucking forever. Slaol, Voss and maybe me are the only people that remember Damus's meta, and I'm completely disregarding it since, like I said, it's been fucking forever. Damus is the best way to see what will happen if we place a player of whatever alignment he turns out to be on the stand because there is no meta argument toward him. This, in my opinion, is what makes me want to not put up a player like blink, MM or dist. Very distinct meta per alignment (even if y'all dont seem to realize blink has different metas, but ill save that for a game that i think will be relevant metawise). Yagami is also a good trial pick for this reason but really if you don't think he's exe at this point I dunno what to say.
2. Low ranking
This may seem counter-intuitive but let me put it this way. Damus has been middle to low ranking on the list the entire time but his playstyle has shifted dramatically from passive to aggressive, and nobody seems to have commented on it. This makes me think that there's something weird happening. I highly doubt we'd be able to nab a scum with this type of lynch, where scum can dance around in the lower middle list by manipulating the nulls in their vote list to put each other lower. This is exactly where Damus is right now.
Other players that follow this pattern include MM, Kenny and Mag. I'd be okay with any of them being our trial today, and I'd also be okay with Light_Yagami because he's neutral for like the 5th time.
But I wasn't selectively responding. I was literally just coming in whenever I had time. That was the week I was at a summer camp for choir. I was singing for like 12 hours a day. I had a grand total of like an hour of screen time on my phone that week, and there were no computers. I did not tell a single lie involving my activity for the entire game, and I never have, and I never will. Low activity is a shitty way to play and I will never purposefully do it.
Hey, I exist and I already pressured Damus... anyway he is indeed scummy, and I also did a 180 on him earlier.
I agree with your reasons when they apply to Damus. However, Kenny, Magoroth or myself, going from passive to aggressive....????? This is bullshit... Also I literally went to first choice once, Kenny was never low ranked in the consensus... This post's core is good, but then you extend it to people to whom it doesn't apply.
This, I believe. Because I know stealth and I have the exact same stance: my activity is NAI. Activity is mostly NAI anyway, however it can be used for PoEs when nobody active is scummy, it's sort of safe to lynch the AFK. Stealth has obviously done his best to contribute, though.
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This does not mean I do not suspect Stealth a bit either. I don't like how you just included 1/3 of the lobby in your thing about Damus. Waiting on explainations on this.
I'd have to go back and check but there was a bit where you were being pressured by Slaol and the tone and content of your posts were dramatically different IMO. Magoroth is in a similar boat but I'm actually less sure on that one, which is why he's lower than you.
I like what SB's said and am moving him down 2 pegs. Let's see what that does with the rankings.
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FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)