S-FM 249 Lady Gaga Scvmurderer Hosted Edition

[Fielzanks]

Site is back and we got 24 more hours! We're gaining time

[Efekannn02]

the goal of this game is not to lynch each other but to select 2 idiots who will intentionally lose while we skip day and win as gaga

[Ganelon]

Ok so I have no idea why MM didn't vote yesterday much... he wasn't even terribly aggressive - as Fan I would've played very aggressively, nothing to lose

[Distorted]

oh wow a lot of stuff was deleted. (not be users, by the site)

[Distorted]

oh wow a lot of stuff was deleted. (not be users, by the site)

me and naz had a whole conversations in here that I actually wanted other opinions on - plus it had the most posts from numbertwo we've seen yet.

[Distorted]

but, good news is this confirms no1 is trolling us and the sites glitching and just deleting shit (like my fm game thread) it seems to happen then with anything posted after 2-3am eastern time..

[Fielzanks]

Sooo now I will read back some pages and post something big in the night

[Fielzanks]

oh wow a lot of stuff was deleted. (not be users, by the site)

Yeah I just noticed that as well, wtf site

[Distorted]

well - to paraphrase

naz commented there was no interactions with MM and NumberTwo. I agreed and went back and found a few quotes, 1 if which I actually find really weird of MM to post, like - wtf weird.


MM magoroth

Somebody who's going to be townread, but not the top town read to avoid being obvious. Of course, that's if the gaga is clever and has played some games. I also see an option that would be RNG the conversion. Also bookmark this post for myself, could be alignment indicative later on.

This is MM response to what he thinks a "clever" gaga would do. I think he may have replicated that here.

You see, the first big paragraph makes me think you're 100% town because it really fits with what I've seen of you D1: a scum hunting townie. @Fielzanks @blinkskater @Distorted I now place Magoroth in 2nd highest townread, just after Efekannn.

Puts Magoroth as "second" town read and even emphasizes on it.

The first post is post 66 - the second post 1500+ so far enough away to be relevant.


MM and Noz/NumberTwo

What if we killed the Noz slot? @Marshmallow Marshall how do you feel?

Btw I think noz was really a townie now, +townpoints so the guy that replaces you gets in a null category.

he has provided wallposts on everyone else so far, except noz. and he never questioned numbertwo when he replaced. That is outside his meta.
This right here is the most susp thing

What do you mean "how do you feel"?

and he then responds with this randomly... second guessing himself instantly reading him as "town to null" ? why does changing someone change their read - that slot should still read the same but now a different person to either gain or lose that credibility.

and seriously?? Looking back this question is asked 100x in EVERY SINGLE FM GAME - he asks it himself and I always ask it, literally phrased exactly like that as well.


NumberTwo's responses to our discussion came off as town to me - he said we have already proven ourselves incompetent......which I actually find true rofl There was a few more but I went to bed. Nothing stuck out though.

[Fielzanks]

It'll contain my reads as well

[Ganelon]

well - to paraphrase

naz commented there was no interactions with MM and NumberTwo. I agreed and went back and found a few quotes, 1 if which I actually find really weird of MM to post, like - wtf weird.


MM magoroth


This is MM response to what he thinks a "clever" gaga would do. I think he may have replicated that here.



Puts Magoroth as "second" town read and even emphasizes on it.

The first post is post 66 - the second post 1500+ so far enough away to be relevant.


MM and Noz/NumberTwo







he has provided wallposts on everyone else so far, except noz. and he never questioned numbertwo when he replaced. That is outside his meta.
This right here is the most susp thing


and he then responds with this randomly... second guessing himself instantly reading him as "town to null" ? why does changing someone change their read - that slot should still read the same but now a different person to either gain or lose that credibility.

and seriously?? Looking back this question is asked 100x in EVERY SINGLE FM GAME - he asks it himself and I always ask it, literally phrased exactly like that as well.


NumberTwo's responses to our discussion came off as town to me - he said we have already proven ourselves incompetent......which I actually find true rofl There was a few more but I went to bed. Nothing stuck out though.

What are you trying to say?

[Ganelon]

What are you trying to say?

Personally my gut feeling's telling me that naz is the Gaga

[Ganelon]

What are you trying to say?

It would make sense if it's NumberTwo, Gaga would probably have to be someone who was even more passive than MM was yesterday

[Ganelon]

It would make sense if it's NumberTwo, Gaga would probably have to be someone who was even more passive than MM was yesterday

And due to my rereading what was said on D1 I came to the conclusion that Fielzanks is a top town read in spite of his trolling - think about it, if we hadn't lynched, we would've forced Fan to flip and potentially reveal alignments.

[Distorted]

Personally my gut feeling's telling me that naz is the Gaga

i honestly feel that a bit also; but I really am trying to picture naz recruiting MM.....I just, dont see that happening lol Now that could be exactly why she did it - but, i still kind of doubt that.

[Ganelon]

i honestly feel that a bit also; but I really am trying to picture naz recruiting MM.....I just, dont see that happening lol Now that could be exactly why she did it - but, i still kind of doubt that.

Well I have the strong sensation that if we mislynch today I will be converted tonight, so let's please Lynch Gaga today

[Ganelon]

well - to paraphrase

naz commented there was no interactions with MM and NumberTwo. I agreed and went back and found a few quotes, 1 if which I actually find really weird of MM to post, like - wtf weird.


MM magoroth


This is MM response to what he thinks a "clever" gaga would do. I think he may have replicated that here.



Puts Magoroth as "second" town read and even emphasizes on it.

The first post is post 66 - the second post 1500+ so far enough away to be relevant.


MM and Noz/NumberTwo







he has provided wallposts on everyone else so far, except noz. and he never questioned numbertwo when he replaced. That is outside his meta.
This right here is the most susp thing


and he then responds with this randomly... second guessing himself instantly reading him as "town to null" ? why does changing someone change their read - that slot should still read the same but now a different person to either gain or lose that credibility.

and seriously?? Looking back this question is asked 100x in EVERY SINGLE FM GAME - he asks it himself and I always ask it, literally phrased exactly like that as well.


NumberTwo's responses to our discussion came off as town to me - he said we have already proven ourselves incompetent......which I actually find true rofl There was a few more but I went to bed. Nothing stuck out though.

WIFOM bullshit. Also I think we should keep an eye out on NumberTwo, he has avoided a read on him for a large part of the game and I don't like that

-vote NumberTwo

[Ganelon]

Wtf lol I just noticed he's at L-2

-vote unvote

[Distorted]

Wtf lol I just noticed he's at L-2

-vote unvote

yeah..doesn't take much to get there late game lol

[Fielzanks]

So, I went back and re-read D2 with MM flips known to see what interactions he had with people. First of all, there's really really few interactions he did with others. And I now feel ashamed to not notice it before but he was clearly careful as to what he was saying. He probably was fearing that 'everyone sees you're not you' like last game. Plus, seeing as how he was not active throughout the day and played passively through most of it I don't think there was any bussing strategy, or it was left during the day. MM mentioned a few people, and he purposely left a last will to try to confuse us. I don't think we should care about it. We also know it was purposely left so it could confuse us.
But why would a fan be acting very cautious like that in the first place since its life is basically worthless to the Gaga?
There are few scenarios I thought of, but it's actually a myriad of possibilities going.

1. He feared being caught so he tried to act 'normal'. We all saw last game how he was when he acted 'normal'. That would be the best course of action if he was trying to direct lynches at someone to get an easy misslynch before suiciding. I'll have to look back to see anything useful but the lack of interactions between him and people is kinda a dead end. I'll look more into this though as it seems to be the best case scenario.

2. He didn't plan to suicide that day and so laid low and played the 'town' game but got forced to suicide through Gaga heavy bullying. Could make sense if the gaga was someone who could not bear his gameplay like naz who would have recruited him based on the thought she would NEVER do that if she was gaga.

3. One particular town member harassed Gaga and he feared she may have been in danger and suicided to convert the danger. Based on that Magoroth could not be Gaga, else MM should have eaten me instead of whoever he did.

His total lack of interactions is somewhat suspicious in the sense that last game, even as SCUM, he heavily pushed against me for being absent / quite not here and this game he did not push AT ALL against Noz even when in the Which Witch is Which he went after Noz. Numbertwo is flaming us like a towny but so does Naz and so does Mag. Faking being frustrated is the first thing a mafia player learn tbh.

My reads will be based on Gaga alone, as the different possibilities offer different convertees. I'll also use my previous wallpost to deduce which one is the more likely of them all.

TOWN
-Efekannn02 : Definitely not Gaga, he even asked to be converted because he fears town might lose? Still my top not-Gaga read.
-Distorted : He knows he can get away with throwing a lot of shit (Efe does that too) but he pushed very risky lynches who could go against him (Hybrid fully knowing he was town, even Blink when Rata heavily suspect him)

NEUTRAL
-Magoroth : Neutral only because of 1 MM theory AND because he's in the perfect spot for a Gaga town-read, though his d2 is town-side by essence. It's a mix of both.
-Naz : She's aggressive and smart, but did not scumhunt and I feel that aggressiveness can hide the fact she's not contributing much. And well, previous slot owner was Arsonist, pro thrower.

SCUMMY
-Ratatosk : I feel like he tried hard to kill Distorted because he feared him. His meta said 'I always vote Distorted at game start' but then he followed through and heavily wanted Distorted to die, for unseen reasons. If that behavior continues I'll have this slot as top gaga. Even if that's acting more than hiding, being so scummy that it feels town in the end is a thing too. If we think gaga would not want to be in the spotlight, she'll put herself in to clear her tracks.
-Numbertwo : I do not know of his meta and he's kind to replace Noz_Bugz; and I feel SCV went to great lenghts to replace that slot. A hater could have been modkilled? There's 0 interactions between him and MM when MM meta is to pressure people not contributing and he's trying to blame us for the Blink kill. While I was also in favor for a no-lynch because the flip would have given us info with one more guy alive, shifting blame for a misslynch is a great way for scum to act town.

[Fielzanks]

And I don't think L-2 is bad at all for pushing. The one being pressured can die in an instant, but if a gaga + a fan join to hammer then they are given away for tomorrow and we can kill the gaga easily as we'll be in 2v3 (or 2v4 if fan doesnt suicide to not give gaga away).

[Fielzanks]

Waiting feedback on that before putting my vote on N°2

[Ganelon]

And I don't think L-2 is bad at all for pushing. The one being pressured can die in an instant, but if a gaga + a fan join to hammer then they are given away for tomorrow and we can kill the gaga easily as we'll be in 2v3 (or 2v4 if fan doesnt suicide to not give gaga away).

It obviously isn't a bad idea but I'm playing atm, and I'm concerned of Gaga/fan coming in here and hammering

[Numbertwo]

did someone delete my earlier posts?

If i was lady gaga, then how would i be able to convert marshmallows when i replaced noz during daytime?

[naz]

me and naz had a whole conversations in here that I actually wanted other opinions on - plus it had the most posts from numbertwo we've seen yet.

ya it deleted my vote too

-vote numbertwo

[naz]

did someone delete my earlier posts?

If i was lady gaga, then how would i be able to convert marshmallows when i replaced noz during daytime?

i literally answered you with

its called "noz submitted a night action"

[naz]

Personally my gut feeling's telling me that naz is the Gaga

lmao you're an idiot
and i don't have meta

i would NOT FUCKING CONVERT MM are you serious???? that tard makes the worst scum player
i answered who i would have converted already if i was tho =)

[naz]

i honestly feel that a bit also; but I really am trying to picture naz recruiting MM.....I just, dont see that happening lol Now that could be exactly why she did it - but, i still kind of doubt that.

i def did not
i sure as fuck don't want to be on a team with him

if i was gaga, i wouldn't be all up in here all aggro and shit - especially begging to get lynched instead of blink
i would be playing low key

[Ganelon]

The one who hammers today will be instantly lynched tomorrow. We need time to discuss, don't speedlynch

[Fielzanks]

lmao you're an idiot
and i don't have meta

i would NOT FUCKING CONVERT MM are you serious???? that tard makes the worst scum player
i answered who i would have converted already if i was tho =)

Yeah recruiting MM is like the only thing you wouldn't do. But we know you wouldn't do that! You see how it's an easy WIFOM?

[naz]

i'm gonna be super pissd if you guys lynch me today, instead of yesterday, because i could have got nudes yesterday and blink would still be here

[naz]

Yeah recruiting MM is like the only thing you wouldn't do. But we know you wouldn't do that! You see how it's an easy WIFOM?

i do, but honestly, i would literally never recruit him even to wifoam you guys. he didn't listen to me last game, why would he listen to me this game?

it isn't me. i think it could have been noz, scv seemed low key on replacing that player probably not to give away that it is gaga.

[naz]

did someone delete my earlier posts?

If i was lady gaga, then how would i be able to convert marshmallows when i replaced noz during daytime?

like this is so scummy if that's the only defense he has...

[Ganelon]

like this is so scummy if that's the only defense he has...

Wow you've actually started compiling reads? What happened?

[Ganelon]

Wow you've actually started compiling reads? What happened?

+++scumpoints there

[naz]

Thinkin' about it... If I was Gaga I'd have converted @Magoroth or @Distorted . So MAYBE magoroth is a fan. MAYBE.

i feel like this could be a hint that mag is gaga.

because his post right before this is:

Oh btw. Even if we cannot TRUST people because of conversion possibility, Gaga is the one we must lynch. She'll get another fan the next night anyway if we lynch the fan, so going after fans can only give us information. Also notice that I said 99% not GAGA.

and one a few before this:

It's not Mag... at worst he's fan but I'm 99% sure he's not gaga.

Why are you all jumping on Magoroth

This opens to sooo muuuch WIFOM... Too much WIFOM possibilities, the gaga could order to not suicide just to see mag lynched. Also why are people sus of Magoroth? I don't really get it.

-vote Magoroth

convince me ur not gaga at this point tbh

[naz]

Wow you've actually started compiling reads? What happened?

what the fuck are you talking about?

[Ganelon]

Ok I would like to add that Rata/No.2 are my top scum reads at the moment, followed by naz

[Ganelon]

i feel like this could be a hint that mag is gaga.

because his post right before this is:



and one a few before this:

-vote Magoroth

convince me ur not gaga at this point tbh

Lol I know you don't like MM's scum play but srsly, who the hell makes D-U-M-B slips like that lol

[naz]

Lol I know you don't like MM's scum play but srsly, who the hell makes D-U-M-B slips like that lol

MM lol (eyeroll to infinity and beyond)

[Ganelon]

Lol I know you don't like MM's scum play but srsly, who the hell makes D-U-M-B slips like that lol

D'ya think MM would've defended me so clearly if I were Gaga?

[Scvmurderer]

did someone delete my earlier posts?

If i was lady gaga, then how would i be able to convert marshmallows when i replaced noz during daytime?

Site crashed and we lost some posts.

[Ganelon]

D'ya think MM would've defended me so clearly if I were Gaga?

In the interest... of not OMGUSing, I would like to vote up Ratatoskr so he gets a chance to scum slip

-vote Ratatoskr

[Ratatoskr]

The one who hammers today will be instantly lynched tomorrow. We need time to discuss, don't speedlynch

I will personally hammer anyone I see reach L-1

[Ratatoskr]

I will personally hammer anyone I see reach L-1

@Scvmurderer can I hammer myself if it comes to it?

[Ganelon]

@Marshmallow Marshall who did you convert last night

[naz]

@Scvmurderer can I hammer myself if it comes to it?

i tried to vote myself yesterday, doesn't work

[naz]

In the interest... of not OMGUSing, I would like to vote up Ratatoskr so he gets a chance to scum slip

-vote Ratatoskr

ur sooo scum ez gg

[Distorted]

@Marshmallow Marshall who did you convert last night

oh he converted me, is that what all this arguing is about?

anyways!!

I'm having serious doubts of mag being GaGa, just because MM was blatantly obvious with him...but then again, sometimes obvious is a cover - I also doubt the GaGa would convert mag, just because he has been under heavy suspicion. If Mag is lynched and flips follower, im going to STRONGLY STRONGLY assume that the GaGa just bussed him.

[naz]

we should have listened to efe and lynched him yesterday