S-FM President

[Richard Nixon]

Why did washington get hammered like 9 hours before EOD ffs whoever was town in that train u guys lost us the game

Sorry I just got on and I know Y’all dont like my stream of consciousness so I’ll just read first

[Abraham Lincoln]

Also, notice that voting me will result in instant loss because I'm being voted by confirmed scum.

[Abraham Lincoln]

Also let us state that Sponsor would've invariably counterclaimed Roosevelt if he hadn't yet met his win condition

[Abraham Lincoln]

Also let us state that Sponsor would've invariably counterclaimed Roosevelt if he hadn't yet met his win condition

Unless his target was Roosevelt himself.

[George Bush]

Why did washington get hammered like 9 hours before EOD ffs whoever was town in that train u guys lost us the game

Sorry I just got on and I know Y’all dont like my stream of consciousness so I’ll just read first

Feel free to read, and I also appreciate the no stream of consciosness.

I'm looking for you to vote me for President, (or if JFK says to vote someone else vote them) and vote Clinton. Otherwise, your only other viable option is to elect Clinton as president, and vote for Reagan.

I'm not really interested in anything else from you. and I mean that with the most respect possible.

[George Bush]

Good night all. Please someone hold the floor from something stupid happening.

[Abraham Lincoln]

Why did washington get hammered like 9 hours before EOD ffs whoever was town in that train u guys lost us the game

Sorry I just got on and I know Y’all dont like my stream of consciousness so I’ll just read first

Pro-tip, go to settings and add Roosevelt to ignore list
=Profit

[Richard Nixon]

by the way, since we are the only people connected right now, why do you pair me with Jefferson? And why suddenly?
And specially, how the hell can you trust Nixon? oO, he was cautious the whole game and NEVER told us his readlist. (after what, 30 hours now?)

Poo poo you’ll get one when I’m done reading then

[Richard Nixon]

I REFUSE to allow you to be the town leader. You're not dictating shit, and while I will talk to you as if you're town for civility and take your input, your mass role claim idea is shit.

The scummy people should be role claiming.

aka nixon

-vote Richard Nixon

Washington already outed me as Journalist my dude

[Abraham Lincoln]

Alternatively, Obama was most likely Citizen but I don't understand why he didn't leave a last will.

[Abraham Lincoln]

Based upon our current claims and what's been happening in this game thus far, we have as Mafia:

Mafioso
Tailor
Corrupted Journalist
Bruiser who used his ability - this makes no sense IMO
Tracker - again very unlikely
Framer - makes little sense given that we have no investigator

[Abraham Lincoln]

Based upon our current claims and what's been happening in this game thus far, we have as Mafia:

Mafioso
Tailor
Corrupted Journalist
Bruiser who used his ability - this makes no sense IMO
Tracker - again very unlikely
Framer - makes little sense given that we have no investigator

Add the actress in there, a potentially game-ending role which is very likely IMO

[Abraham Lincoln]

So basically what we have is
Mafioso
Tailor
Journalist
Actress

[Ronald Reagan]

So basically what we have is
Mafioso
Tailor
Journalist
Actress

Consiglière/Beguiler are also possible, since the invest role is not like in the mod, a true consigliere will probably claim someone else.

[Ronald Reagan]

Consiglière/Beguiler are also possible, since the invest role is not like in the mod, a true consigliere will probably claim someone else.

something else ~~

[Abraham Lincoln]

Consiglière/Beguiler are also possible, since the invest role is not like in the mod, a true consigliere will probably claim someone else.

Then why are there only Citizens and one President in the graveyard? Beguiler is possible but we have no reason to believe he exists at the moment

[Abraham Lincoln]

At the 24 hour mark I will stop posting and will start doing an analysis, please don't vote anyone until then

[Richard Nixon]

So basically what we have is
Mafioso
Tailor
Journalist
Actress

How? As far as I can tell there is not one mafia role you can confirm exists or be sure doesn’t exist other than the bus driver since nobody ever said they were bussed

[Abraham Lincoln]

How? As far as I can tell there is not one mafia role you can confirm exists or be sure doesn’t exist other than the bus driver since nobody ever said they were bussed

Consort makes no sense because nobody has been roleblocked (unless the Consort was the one that got sent for the kill), Tracker makes even less sense because all the dead people are citizens, as you pointed out Bus Driver is unlikely, and if there were a Bruiser he would've shot today, ending the day. Also both Clinton and Reagan cannot be scum because Mafia cannot use both their factional kill and the Bruiser's kill.

[Ronald Reagan]

Consort makes no sense because nobody has been roleblocked (unless the Consort was the one that got sent for the kill), Tracker makes even less sense because all the dead people are citizens, as you pointed out Bus Driver is unlikely, and if there were a Bruiser he would've shot today, ending the day. Also both Clinton and Reagan cannot be scum because Mafia cannot use both their factional kill and the Bruiser's kill.

The only way they have a consort is if you are actually the consort, which I don't believe so yeah there is probably no consort.
Bus driver/chauffer is almost impossible at this point of the game or he never did his shit.
They probably don't have a bruiser or it would already be 4vs4 with Roosevelt vote counting for 2 and the game would already be finished.

I like the idea of a corrupted journalist especially because Nixon is one of my top scum read atm
The problem with Beguiler is it's pretty difficult to figure it out there is one ! Our only chance to discover one if when a vigilante/assassin miss his shot during the night

Tailor/actress/Consiglière/Mafioso are all possible imo.

[Richard Nixon]

Consort makes no sense because nobody has been roleblocked (unless the Consort was the one that got sent for the kill), Tracker makes even less sense because all the dead people are citizens, as you pointed out Bus Driver is unlikely, and if there were a Bruiser he would've shot today, ending the day. Also both Clinton and Reagan cannot be scum because Mafia cannot use both their factional kill and the Bruiser's kill.

You roleblocked Reagan, so consort is possible. Any of the invest roles like tracker/consig are possible.... the scum only had 1 night to gather information before last night and they could easily have just found nothing useful n1. Plus, I am not totally sure how tailor works but if he can pick which role to make people appear as then they can just make people look like Cits who were really TPRs. Framer is possible but it doesn't look like there are any town investigatives so it would be useless so far. Beguiler is possible and we wouldn't have any reason to suspect it but so what? It's still possible... it's ability literally doesn't give you any tangible way of knowing it exists unless it redirects an important night action. Actress is also possible and we wouldn't know. Bruiser is possible who didn't shoot yet.

So all in all, the only two roles that I would say are impossible are Chaffeur and Janitor, given that they are the only 2 we would have definitely received feedback from by now.

Anyway now I am going to gather my thoughts and make my reads list that Reagan wants so bad

[Abraham Lincoln]

The only way they have a consort is if you are actually the consort, which I don't believe so yeah there is probably no consort.
Bus driver/chauffer is almost impossible at this point of the game or he never did his shit.
They probably don't have a bruiser or it would already be 4vs4 with Roosevelt vote counting for 2 and the game would already be finished.

I like the idea of a corrupted journalist especially because Nixon is one of my top scum read atm
The problem with Beguiler is it's pretty difficult to figure it out there is one ! Our only chance to discover one if when a vigilante/assassin miss his shot during the night

Tailor/actress/Consiglière/Mafioso are all possible imo.

Yep and if Trump is the real neutral they are almost guaranteed to have a consigliere.

[Abraham Lincoln]

You roleblocked Reagan, so consort is possible. Any of the invest roles like tracker/consig are possible.... the scum only had 1 night to gather information before last night and they could easily have just found nothing useful n1. Plus, I am not totally sure how tailor works but if he can pick which role to make people appear as then they can just make people look like Cits who were really TPRs. Framer is possible but it doesn't look like there are any town investigatives so it would be useless so far. Beguiler is possible and we wouldn't have any reason to suspect it but so what? It's still possible... it's ability literally doesn't give you any tangible way of knowing it exists unless it redirects an important night action. Actress is also possible and we wouldn't know. Bruiser is possible who didn't shoot yet.

So all in all, the only two roles that I would say are impossible are Chaffeur and Janitor, given that they are the only 2 we would have definitely received feedback from by now.

Anyway now I am going to gather my thoughts and make my reads list that Reagan wants so bad

Framer is not possible I'm pretty sure, roles were handpicked. And if Obama were a TPR he would HAVE to have kept a last will.

[Abraham Lincoln]

Given Roosevelt's play this game, if he is scum Mafia almost certainly have a consigliere because as Bush pointed out, the likelihood of him CC'ing Washington is very, very low if he is mafia.

[Abraham Lincoln]

And Mafia would be aching to check Washington that time... btw I think I just uncovered a possible mafia slip from Roosevelt:

He kept saying that he hadn't revealed his role, almost like he knew what Washington's real role was. I mean it caused people to Lynch him lol

[Abraham Lincoln]

@SuperJack , it does not specify whether or not Framer can affect the Investigator's feedback, can it make appear that 'X' voted for someone other than who they voted for?

[Abraham Lincoln]

Meh it's up to you guys, my vote will most likely go to Reagan but I am willing to follow Bush's vote

[Abraham Lincoln]

@Richard Nixon , reads list, please?

[Abraham Lincoln]

Holy shit I think I just found a town slip from Nixon, going to post in a short while

[Abraham Lincoln]

Holy shit I think I just found a town slip from Nixon, going to post in a short while

I recall Nixon telling me that I am 'so easy to manipulate', and I also recall him thinking in several layers of WIFOM, if that's not a town slip I don't know what it is

[Ronald Reagan]

I recall Nixon telling me that I am 'so easy to manipulate', and I also recall him thinking in several layers of WIFOM, if that's not a town slip I don't know what it is

What are you talking about?

[Abraham Lincoln]

What are you talking about?

Read Nixon's posts. ALL OF THEM, so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about.

[Richard Nixon]

Kennedy - This is I think my only for sure town-read. He is the only person alive(rip Washington) other than goddamn ROOSEVELT who I would say ever actively pushed or scum-hunted at all. Yes, the flow of the game with all this focus on presidents and neutrals really did take away from the opportunity to ever do much of any scumhunting and so the fact that I feel like Kennedy was genuinely trying in spite of that makes him my confident town-read. Plenty of people have had me on scum lists since early D1 and yet Kennedy was really the only one who actually pushed me - it has felt to me that most of these other scumreads on me are fake (ex: Bush saying he remembers he had a legit reason to scum read me but not what it is, and yet continuously putting me as his top scum; Reagan just saying I'm scum cuz I didn't give a readslist when I spent 6 hours responding to and analyzing and giving my opinion on literally every post (sorry for the spam guys); Jefferson sheeping both Kennedy and Reagan and saying "too confident + didn't give readslist")

Clinton - We all agreed during D1 that no scum would have the balls to claim Assassin like that. While Clinton has IMO been pretty dumb about the way he was constantly threatening to shoot people and then apparently shooting Obama, my opinion here is still that he is town. If he were scum and trying to mislynch Reagan then I think he would be Bruiser and still have his ability and so he could just shoot somebody and win the game for scum. So I am basically going to assume he is town since otherwise we've already lost anyway.

Bush - Something he recently did gave him major townpoints for me, but it could be a bad thing to hide. I think I have to do some more analysis of potential d4 scenarios before I commit to him completely as a town-read.

Reagan - I was scumreading him but my current theory on what the scum strat is for today would make him town. More on that next post.

Trump - Of course he's just null from his own contributions but he fits into the scum team I have in mind.

Jefferson - I have been scumreading him for most of the game because his few posts seem pre-meditated to gain him town points and he just sheeps opinions constantly. He also fits into the scum team I have in mind.


Lincoln - Here's what I think. He was a townread

Note: from this point on I had to rewrite my post because when I hit submit it said I was logged out and only auto-saved the top half, so forgive me if I skipped through some of the detail

for me and everyone in the lobby for most of the game because of his constant flip-flopping and "confusion", right? At start of D2 he revealed himself as escort for no reason. He claimed that mafia must have found out that he was escort and killed Truman to frame him. This is the perfect setup for a future mislynch on D3 and also gives him an alibi in case anybody saw him visit Truman. Another thing I noticed was that he occasionally would make blatantly scummy posts like "SHOOT ROOSEVELT NOW!" which even a confused town would not think is optimal halfway through D2. Then he just flip-flops a few minutes later so that he gains zero scum points for it. In this way he was helping Roosevelt peer pressure Clinton into misshooting.

Now, what has been the biggest problem in this game for town? We have been unable to do any scumhunting/pressuring because we've been constantly stuck between lynching 2 people. D2 it was Washington and Roosevelt and now it is Clinton and Reagan. Let's say that Lincoln really is town escort and blocked Reagan, and Clinton is assassin and shot Obama. What is the smart thing to do as town: Lay all your cards out on the table at the start of the 48 hour day like Lincoln did, or push Reagan and Clinton first to see who their potential teammates are/get any damning evidence possible out of them? Of course it's the second one and Lincoln is experienced enough to know this is true. Instead he locked us right into another 1 V 1 as soon as D3 started. At best that's very anti-town IMO.


So, in my opinion Clinton did shoot Obama and Reagan was roleblocked, but neither is scum. Mafia chose to attack nobody last night with the plan being that if Clinton doesn't shoot, then they can easily pin things on Reagan. Otherwise, if Clinton did shoot then they could easily convince everyone that their only other lynch option besides Reagan is Clinton, which is exactly what has played out. Note that a mislynch basically guarantees a scum victory at this point.


I put Trump in a team with Lincoln because when Washington was just trying to push Trump during D2 and not really lynch him, Lincoln immediately started demanding that people unvote to avoid a turbolynch.


I put Jefferson in there not because of his associations but because I just think he is scum separately. He has just skirted by and sheeped all game, and I especially do not like how he directly copies the people he is sheeping's specific wording too to really try and buddy up with them.

[Richard Nixon]

I recall Nixon telling me that I am 'so easy to manipulate', and I also recall him thinking in several layers of WIFOM, if that's not a town slip I don't know what it is

Yea I was annoyed earlier that it seemed like you and some others were trusting people just because you'd identified their out-of-game names and thus meta town-reading them even though it would be super easy for scum to manipulate their out-of-game buddies by intentionally revealing to them their identity through some kind of slip at some point. And, in contrast, untrusting people more just because you didn't know their out-of-game identities

[Abraham Lincoln]

Kennedy - This is I think my only for sure town-read. He is the only person alive(rip Washington) other than goddamn ROOSEVELT who I would say ever actively pushed or scum-hunted at all. Yes, the flow of the game with all this focus on presidents and neutrals really did take away from the opportunity to ever do much of any scumhunting and so the fact that I feel like Kennedy was genuinely trying in spite of that makes him my confident town-read. Plenty of people have had me on scum lists since early D1 and yet Kennedy was really the only one who actually pushed me - it has felt to me that most of these other scumreads on me are fake (ex: Bush saying he remembers he had a legit reason to scum read me but not what it is, and yet continuously putting me as his top scum; Reagan just saying I'm scum cuz I didn't give a readslist when I spent 6 hours responding to and analyzing and giving my opinion on literally every post (sorry for the spam guys); Jefferson sheeping both Kennedy and Reagan and saying "too confident + didn't give readslist")

Clinton - We all agreed during D1 that no scum would have the balls to claim Assassin like that. While Clinton has IMO been pretty dumb about the way he was constantly threatening to shoot people and then apparently shooting Obama, my opinion here is still that he is town. If he were scum and trying to mislynch Reagan then I think he would be Bruiser and still have his ability and so he could just shoot somebody and win the game for scum. So I am basically going to assume he is town since otherwise we've already lost anyway.

Bush - Something he recently did gave him major townpoints for me, but it could be a bad thing to hide. I think I have to do some more analysis of potential d4 scenarios before I commit to him completely as a town-read.

Reagan - I was scumreading him but my current theory on what the scum strat is for today would make him town. More on that next post.

Trump - Of course he's just null from his own contributions but he fits into the scum team I have in mind.

Jefferson - I have been scumreading him for most of the game because his few posts seem pre-meditated to gain him town points and he just sheeps opinions constantly. He also fits into the scum team I have in mind.


Lincoln - Here's what I think. He was a townread

Note: from this point on I had to rewrite my post because when I hit submit it said I was logged out and only auto-saved the top half, so forgive me if I skipped through some of the detail

for me and everyone in the lobby for most of the game because of his constant flip-flopping and "confusion", right? At start of D2 he revealed himself as escort for no reason. He claimed that mafia must have found out that he was escort and killed Truman to frame him. This is the perfect setup for a future mislynch on D3 and also gives him an alibi in case anybody saw him visit Truman. Another thing I noticed was that he occasionally would make blatantly scummy posts like "SHOOT ROOSEVELT NOW!" which even a confused town would not think is optimal halfway through D2. Then he just flip-flops a few minutes later so that he gains zero scum points for it. In this way he was helping Roosevelt peer pressure Clinton into misshooting.

Now, what has been the biggest problem in this game for town? We have been unable to do any scumhunting/pressuring because we've been constantly stuck between lynching 2 people. D2 it was Washington and Roosevelt and now it is Clinton and Reagan. Let's say that Lincoln really is town escort and blocked Reagan, and Clinton is assassin and shot Obama. What is the smart thing to do as town: Lay all your cards out on the table at the start of the 48 hour day like Lincoln did, or push Reagan and Clinton first to see who their potential teammates are/get any damning evidence possible out of them? Of course it's the second one and Lincoln is experienced enough to know this is true. Instead he locked us right into another 1 V 1 as soon as D3 started. At best that's very anti-town IMO.


So, in my opinion Clinton did shoot Obama and Reagan was roleblocked, but neither is scum. Mafia chose to attack nobody last night with the plan being that if Clinton doesn't shoot, then they can easily pin things on Reagan. Otherwise, if Clinton did shoot then they could easily convince everyone that their only other lynch option besides Reagan is Clinton, which is exactly what has played out. Note that a mislynch basically guarantees a scum victory at this point.


I put Trump in a team with Lincoln because when Washington was just trying to push Trump during D2 and not really lynch him, Lincoln immediately started demanding that people unvote to avoid a turbolynch.


I put Jefferson in there not because of his associations but because I just think he is scum separately. He has just skirted by and sheeped all game, and I especially do not like how he directly copies the people he is sheeping's specific wording too to really try and buddy up with them.

I admit the red part is where I truly fucked up today, my only defence is that I was waiting the entire day yesterday and I was convinced Clinton would shoot Roosevelt

[Abraham Lincoln]

Whatever, I haven't the faintest fucking idea anymore.

[Richard Nixon]

Whatever, I haven't the faintest fucking idea anymore.

I will say this. It's also possible that the whole scenario I described above was done without you being mafia but with them knowing you were escort, but I think then they would have to be very confident that you didn't roleblock somebody on their team, or else they would have to be really reliant on pushing a lynch on Clinton over whoever you roleblocked.

[Richard Nixon]

I will say this. It's also possible that the whole scenario I described above was done without you being mafia but with them knowing you were escort, but I think then they would have to be very confident that you didn't roleblock somebody on their team, or else they would have to be really reliant on pushing a lynch on Clinton over whoever you roleblocked.

Who were you strongly town-reading by the EOD2?

[Abraham Lincoln]

Who were you strongly town-reading by the EOD2?

You mean just as we lynched Washington or the reads I had that caused me to role block Reagan?

As we lynched Washington my town reads were JFK, you, Clinton and Reagan. Which is why I blocked Reagan in the first place - what happened on d2 made me think that scum either didn't believe Clinton really was Assassin or they very careful concealed themselves, which meant we had an infiltrator and one scum was being townread - notice that nobody ever countered my escort claim, or tried to say that I wasn't escort, which means that they did believe my claim. So I suspected that a scum team of Jefferson/Roosevelt/Reagan was very likely and the only one that made sense (after a LOT of thought was given into this). Still, before N3, my belief was that JFK, you, Clinton and Reagan were town

[Abraham Lincoln]

I will say this. It's also possible that the whole scenario I described above was done without you being mafia but with them knowing you were escort, but I think then they would have to be very confident that you didn't roleblock somebody on their team, or else they would have to be really reliant on pushing a lynch on Clinton over whoever you roleblocked.

Yep exactly. See my post.

[Abraham Lincoln]

I will say this. It's also possible that the whole scenario I described above was done without you being mafia but with them knowing you were escort, but I think then they would have to be very confident that you didn't roleblock somebody on their team, or else they would have to be really reliant on pushing a lynch on Clinton over whoever you roleblocked.

I think that my scenario and yours are the ones that are the most likely to be fair

[Abraham Lincoln]

Bill Clinton (1 [L-4]):
George Bush
Ronald Reagan (1 [L-4]):
Bill Clinton
Abraham Lincoln (1 [L-4]):
Theodore Roosevelt

This is somewhat disturbing, scum could log on and mislynch pronto

[Abraham Lincoln]

But they can't mislynch because Roosevelt is scum still disturbing tho

[Richard Nixon]

Bill Clinton (1 [L-4]):
George Bush
Ronald Reagan (1 [L-4]):
Bill Clinton
Abraham Lincoln (1 [L-4]):
Theodore Roosevelt

This is somewhat disturbing, scum could log on and mislynch pronto

That is why I didn't vote you

[Abraham Lincoln]

That is why I didn't vote you

What do you think about the fact that Roosevelt kept spamming yesterday that Washington didn't reveal his role?

Washingmachine really didn't want to reveal while Roosevelt was still alive

[Richard Nixon]

I think that my scenario and yours are the ones that are the most likely to be fair

Well, Clinton and the scum could just have both attacked Obama and then they'd be laughing at us for how easily we are tunneling on Clinton and Reagan

[Abraham Lincoln]

Well, Clinton and the scum could just have both attacked Obama and then they'd be laughing at us for how easily we are tunneling on Clinton and Reagan

Case still stands, if they actually did kill someone today that means one of two things: Clinton is scum or someone I wouldn't have thought of roleblocking was Scum

[Richard Nixon]

What do you think about the fact that Roosevelt kept spamming yesterday that Washington didn't reveal his role?

Washingmachine really didn't want to reveal while Roosevelt was still alive

I don't know why Washington acted so weird in general. Refusing to reveal his role all day and also all the stuff he was saying about how he knew the identity of the journalist just made people scum read him and then only as he died did he finally name-drop. He completely ruined my plans for no reason there and identified to the mafia that I'm basically just a revealed cit now so they can ignore me.

[Abraham Lincoln]

I don't know why Washington acted so weird in general. Refusing to reveal his role all day and also all the stuff he was saying about how he knew the identity of the journalist just made people scum read him and then only as he died did he finally name-drop. He completely ruined my plans for no reason there and identified to the mafia that I'm basically just a revealed cit now so they can ignore me.

Do you think people would've lynched him if he had outed himself as a former Investigator? He certainly seemed to think so

[Richard Nixon]

One thing I don't understand is why Bush was insisting that if we chose to lynch Clinton, then we should elect Bush president but if we chose to lynch Reagan then we should elect Clinton. Either way if we mislynch we lose, so why would we elect Bush rather than Reagan in that scenario given Reagan would basically be confirmed town if Clinton ended up being scum?