S-FM 204: Insanity

[Unknown1234]

Nice defense , bro.
you can get away with doing nothing as scum 1 game but not 2 ;)
And i'd hate to see you ignite tonight

There really is no need to defend myself if I don't know what allignment I am. Two things happened:

1,) You are a lunatic and you didn't actually check me.
2.) RLVG is immune or didn't admit to being attacked.

[Unknown1234]

ahem

Then you aren't the real AC, RLVG already claimed AC feedback.

[GameFreak]

Then you aren't the real AC, RLVG already claimed AC feedback.

Incorrect RLVG claimed AD feedback. There was no AC feedback from the second night.

Here's a guess , you lied about trying to attack RLVG and have 2 doused ?

[Unknown1234]

Incorrect RLVG claimed AD feedback. There was no AC feedback from the second night.

Here's a guess , you lied about trying to attack RLVG and have 2 doused ?

False, but good try. Fairly certain he claimed both, and if I'm RK I have a total of 0 doused, because I tried to burn RLVG.

I wouldn't be shocked if you were executioner.

[ThePaladin]

Gamfreak, why did you decide to stick by your escort claim earlier when we were already going to be lynching the sk that day?

[ThePaladin]

Two: Why did you decide to check Unknown, and who was your n1 target had you not been witched.

[ThePaladin]

Alright i'll tell you my visit and the Rolecard i received at the start of the game since the SK is dead.

I'm the Asylum counselor

N1: witch
N2: /
N3: Unknown

N2 i was too late to submit an action, i know blame me in post game i wasnt even sure this was my role until nobody got the N2 feedback.
Now N3 is interesting either i'm a lunatic or Unknown is lying. And i'm pretty sure i'm the AC.

Explain why this dichotomy exists.

[Unknown1234]

Meh, maybe I'm wrong about the RLVG claim but I know for a fact that my target didn't die, and there really is no reason for me to lie about that. Maybe there's a doctor or something but he's still alive.

[Unknown1234]

Either way, I still don't know my allignment. Hoping to be a Jester King or something LMAO.

[GameFreak]

Sure i'll talk you through my throughprocess this game, now i'll tell you if what i wanted to do happened then i would have been fucked.

Okay so here goes i got AC and had to make sure , but i thought this is pretty easy anybody can comfirm me. So i claimed Escort because this is the only other role in the game that is easily comfirmable by visiting.

So my plan was to visit TDL and then him comfirm me that i "roleblocked" him, this way he could "comfirm" me, but he would have known i was AC and he's a clever player he would slip, thats why i picked TDL.
But that would have failed since he was the SK, but my plans got spoiled either way since i got witched onto a random target that i didn't know , which i can only assume now is spruance.

N2 i was debating wether to target or not, because i felt like many people would comfirm themselves anyway and the only reason i see town losing this game is if i make sinister aware of their true role so they can use it to their full potential.

N3 with the SK dead i had no more fear of the SK and i was already toying with unknown in the back of my head, since he also shouted at the end of D1?2? AC VISIT ME. so i thought fuck it, i'll give the guy what he wants. But now he has no clue i visited him , which means his rolecard he received at the start is his true rolecard and he is no lunatic.

[GameFreak]

wouldn't slip *

[GameFreak]

Now i'll say i fully agree with the yzb-lynch aswell and he's probably witch. But i'm more afraid of him ritual killing.

[Unknown1234]

If I'm lying, I beg for the AC to check me, and then decide to fake claim and said I didn't. Good thinking.

My only explanation of I'm RK is that RLVG survived my attack.

[Unknown1234]

Also GameFreK, I CAN be roleblocked btw.

[GameFreak]

If I'm lying, I beg for the AC to check me, and then decide to fake claim and said I didn't. Good thinking.

My only explanation of I'm RK is that RLVG survived my attack.

i mean , i did.

I simply think you didn't ignite at all and targetted somebody else.

[GameFreak]

Also GameFreK, I CAN be roleblocked btw.

If the witch is smart she'll control the Rb'er tonight.

[Unknown1234]

i mean , i did.

I simply think you didn't ignite at all and targetted somebody else.

Okay, phrased that wrong. This is what I meant

I beg for the AC to check me, and so I assume they didn't, and claim that they didn't. Nice plan.

[Unknown1234]

If the witch is smart she'll control the Rb'er tonight.

Aren't you assuming Yzb25 is the witch?

[GameFreak]

Aren't you assuming Yzb25 is the witch?

Yes , but if you can lynch between a killer and a witch. (and i'm more certain of you being a killer than yzb witch)
i think its an easy decision to make who to lynch.

[GameFreak]

Okay, phrased that wrong. This is what I meant

I beg for the AC to check me, and so I assume they didn't, and claim that they didn't. Nice plan.

Well you assumed RK wouldn't be your role. Its a dumb mistake to make.

[Unknown1234]

Yes , but if you can lynch between a killer and a witch. (and i'm more certain of you being a killer than yzb witch)
i think its an easy decision to make who to lynch.

But you're wrong, lol. There really is no reason to assume you're a AC at this point.

[Unknown1234]

Well you assumed RK wouldn't be your role. Its a dumb mistake to make.

Why would I assume I wasn't RK exactly?

[GameFreak]

But you're wrong, lol. There really is no reason to assume you're a AC at this point.

Okay we'll await the counterclaim, we have 30 hours to waste time. But it won't come. My actions explain the AC's actions and i explained why i claimed escort.
Making the killer know i'm AC puts a big bullseye on my head. So i waited till he was dead.

[Unknown1234]

Okay we'll await the counterclaim, we have 30 hours to waste time. But it won't come. My actions explain the AC's actions and i explained why i claimed escort.
Making the killer know i'm AC puts a big bullseye on my head. So i waited till he was dead.

And if the AC is Lunatic?

[ThePaladin]

Why would you not check RLVG who potentially had a lead on gyrlander if he flipped right?

[GameFreak]

Why would I assume I wasn't RK exactly?

Since your kill didn't happen? Or you doused another person i can't know your actions nobody does.
I'll ask you this , you are defending everything except the part where you explicitly stated you got RK as your rolecard, because you did get RK.
And you didn't get a new one when i visited you.

[Spruance]

But you're wrong, lol. There really is no reason to assume you're a AC at this point.

There is at least 1 because I received ac feedback and almost everyone else knows their role already.

[GameFreak]

And if the AC is Lunatic?

Its pretty easy to figure out if you are AC, you visit and the next day you see the response

[Iced_Monopoly]

If I'm lying, I beg for the AC to check me, and then decide to fake claim and said I didn't. Good thinking.

My only explanation of I'm RK is that RLVG survived my attack.

Or that you never chose to ignite RLVG. GameFreaks theory of you being a non-lunatic RK fit right in-line with mine right now.

You choosing to not reveal you were visited by an AC seems like a ploy to discredit AC as well. We know that there is an AC because spruance claimed visited N1 (through a witching it seems). The counter arguement to this is that Spruance is scum and lied, but then I detected Taek as ML and he converted with spruance with spruances confirmation. If spruance was a sinsiter, he would be immune to both ML AND CULT conversions, so there cant be a world in which spruance is sinister (since taek could've countered the Mason conversion claimed). Since spruance isnt sinister (baring the possibility that he is banking on taek being a different kind of sinister, and he is too a different kind) then we know there is an AC, which is GF. YOU not revealing you were visited by AC only makes you scummier and more likely to be the non-lunatic RK.

In that world where taek and Spruance are both sinisters, but not of the same alignment (ie cant communicate), then spruance had to have taken a huge gamble hoping that taek was actually a sinister like him, and both set themselves up to be lynched should the other flip scum, which is stupid. It would also mean that we have caught 3 of the possible 5 sinisters by d3, which would be far too convenient (although thats hardly an arguement).

GF is AC
I am Invest
Taek is ML
Spruance is cit/Mason
You are RK

[ThePaladin]

And if the AC is Lunatic?

He's the only possible person who could have visited Spruance.

Either spruance was lying about AC feedback and he's not AC, OR He is AC who got witched to Spruance, OR He is AC but got witched onto Kovath and Spruance is a liar.


This is the trichotomy of things that could be.

*Note Spruance can still be lying about being cit/mason in choice 2

[Unknown1234]

Since your kill didn't happen? Or you doused another person i can't know your actions nobody does.
I'll ask you this , you are defending everything except the part where you explicitly stated you got RK as your rolecard, because you did get RK.
And you didn't get a new one when i visited you.

if my kill didn't happen, there really is no other explanation to follow. Perhaps he's immune, I wasn't witched, and I doubt he was attacked or I would have heard from this. If I SOMEHOW flip RK, then he's immune.

If I doused someone else, why would this make me believe that I'm not RK? This feels like incredibly broken logic, just like your vote was.

Why would I defend the fact that I got an RK as a Rolecard? I DIDNT get a new one because I don't think you're AC simply because it makes no sense. The only way I'm not lunatic is if RLVG is immune, and I sincerely doubt this.

[GameFreak]

Why would you not check RLVG who potentially had a lead on gyrlander if he flipped right?

I thought about it, but in my mind if the host gives a sheriff rolecard its stupid to also give that too a lunatic.
Since then DW (who likes to handpick) ignores an entire mechanic since he's waiting for the AC to find the actual sheriff.

So i assumed RLVG is actually a (insane) sheriff. And i can't help him with that

[Unknown1234]

He's the only possible person who could have visited Spruance.

Either spruance was lying about AC feedback and he's not AC, OR He is AC who got witched to Spruance, OR He is AC but got witched onto Kovath and Spruance is a liar.


This is the trichotomy of things that could be.

*Note Spruance can still be lying about being cit/mason in choice 2

Why would GameFreak be the only possible person?

[ThePaladin]

@deathworlds

When a lunatic person who recieved ritual killer uses his night to burn(kill marked people), does he randomly visit or does he stay home?

[ThePaladin]

Why would GameFreak be the only possible person?

No one else was witched nor claimed to visit Spruance n1. nor has anyone else claimed to recieve AC feedback at any point besides Spruance.

[Spruance]

Or that you never chose to ignite RLVG. GameFreaks theory of you being a non-lunatic RK fit right in-line with mine right now.

You choosing to not reveal you were visited by an AC seems like a ploy to discredit AC as well. We know that there is an AC because spruance claimed visited N1 (through a witching it seems). The counter arguement to this is that Spruance is scum and lied, but then I detected Taek as ML and he converted with spruance with spruances confirmation. If spruance was a sinsiter, he would be immune to both ML AND CULT conversions, so there cant be a world in which spruance is sinister (since taek could've countered the Mason conversion claimed). Since spruance isnt sinister (baring the possibility that he is banking on taek being a different kind of sinister, and he is too a different kind) then we know there is an AC, which is GF. YOU not revealing you were visited by AC only makes you scummier and more likely to be the non-lunatic RK.

In that world where taek and Spruance are both sinisters, but not of the same alignment (ie cant communicate), then spruance had to have taken a huge gamble hoping that taek was actually a sinister like him, and both set themselves up to be lynched should the other flip scum, which is stupid. It would also mean that we have caught 3 of the possible 5 sinisters by d3, which would be far too convenient (although thats hardly an arguement).

GF is AC
I am Invest
Taek is ML
Spruance is cit/Mason
You are RK

masons don't have night chat either lol

[Iced_Monopoly]

masons don't have night chat either lol

I wasnt implying that they did

[GameFreak]

Look the logic behind my lynch is simple,

you claim the have gotten RK, i visited you as AC, yet you claimed you didn't get a new rolecard(before i revealed the claim ofcourse)
So i caught you in a lie. What happened with your night actions is irrelevant to me, since you can lie about that, just as you said you visited SP yesterday instead of RLVG.

[Unknown1234]

No one else was witched nor claimed to visit Spruance n1. nor has anyone else claimed to recieve AC feedback at any point besides Spruance.

Has everyone claimed who they visited then?

[Iced_Monopoly]

@ThePaladin do you agree with #1829? If so then I suggest we move todays vote to unknown. Rk > Witch.

[Spruance]

paladin is also 100% escort as of last night. Gyrlander is AD. Not very many people left unconfirmed.

[Spruance]

Would there be a mason leader without cultists though? It is unlikely there is a witch, ritual killer, and a cultist left.

[Unknown1234]

Meh, maybe I am RK. Just interested to see if RLVG is RK. I would be surprised though if both Night kills wernt Lunatics.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Both masons should at this point be moving their vote to unknown since spruance was visited by AC (GF)

[GameFreak]

I have said everything i wanted to, its 3.30 AM and i got work tomorrow. I'll see you guys tomorrow.

[Unknown1234]

Err, not RK for RLVG, I mean night immune.

[ThePaladin]

Spruance who did you attempt to visit n3?

Could I also get everyone's visits please

[Spruance]

Both masons should at this point be moving their vote to unknown since spruance was visited by AC (GF)

We know yzb is the witch, but we don't know unknown is ritual killer. We can lynch yzb today and if people die then unknown tomorrow lol

[Spruance]

[QUOTE=ThePaladin;627461]Spruance who did you attempt to visit n3?

Could I also get everyone's visits please

nobody because I'm not ml and can't convert. I was rbed anyways.

[ThePaladin]

@ThePaladin do you agree with #1829? If so then I suggest we move todays vote to unknown. Rk > Witch.

I would rather go for the guaranteed lynch on witch[yzb] today. I can just rb tonight, escort > rk in OoO
@GameFreak check RLVG