S-FM 221: Death Note

[Mesk514]

ISO on Mesk

Spoiler : Mesk's posts :

10 - cit claim
22 - dis at ika
24 - criticizes ika about truth tells
26 - fluff
27 - says ika is doing a trust tell she doesn't believe; votes ika
30 - fluff
35 - unvotes ika after SW says he's not doing a trust tell
40 - "I've beenon my best behavior"
234 - "What's up"
238 - says she's glad her question sparked conversation (sarcasm in response to #234?)
247 - "lolwtf" at Crypt's meta scumread from Mesk not shitposting
312 - claims to have had a post that didn't go through due to daily site downtime
315 - asks to be left out of SW's evil speculation
327 - votes Gyrlander after he didn't like the me or ika trains
328 - promises to not let SW down as town
354 - asks Crypt if he thinks she's scum
361 - likes Crypt after he says he was just reaction testing her; offers a town bloc
514 - says nothing happened, and that her only read is that Crypt is town
618 - says she'll keep her vote on Gyr
699 - comments on lack of deaths; votes SJ because she would have converted him if anyone
725 - changes vote to BC because I was on her train
732 - claims SW is obv town
743 - fluff
744 - unvote + more fluff
745 - fluff
747 - fluff
749 - fluff
750 - asks for explanation of the game
753 - fluff
755 - claims cit again and claims to not be paying attention
757 - fluff; claiming cit again
758 - fluff
761 - fluff with more cit claim
762 - fluff
764 - fluff
765 - fluff
766 - fluff
768 - fluff
769 - fluff
770 - fluff
771 - says all her town reads are on the BC train and that she wants to join the train but doesn't wanna L-1 BC
772 - fluff
791 - makes some point about meta
823 - reminds SW she didn't want BC at L-1
828 - reiterates her vote on BC is because her townreads are voting her; says her top scumread is stealth for standing out.

There's... not a lot to work with here. As such, a null read is appropriate. I get a general town feel from her consistency: even though she isn't doing much, she will admit she townreads Crypt and says why, and only comments on things relative to her alleged paying little attention. I am somewhat bothered by the previous Gyrlander vote, (which I would like explained, @Mesk514 ) but she is definitely not a top lynch candidate now.

lol what is this bull crap. what a waste of your time dude, you know im a citizen lol,the whole game knows ima citizen. lol ive gotten 0 attention all game. i would be getting by way too easy if i were scum

[Mesk514]

and i voted gylander cause why the fuck not

[MattZed]

Just read over SJ's posts. Realized 90% of the reason I think he's scum is because he voted me for townreading ika. For a while I thought this might be some weird white knighting, but at this point I really can't scumread someone for being lazy given how incredibly lazy this game has been.

Unless I say otherwise later, the official decree of the confirmed town is to lynch BC today.

Most of the reason people think my case on BC is personal is because he responds suggesting it's personal instead of responding to any particular point. I really do wish we had a more active game to get stronger reads, but right now, I want BC. At the very least, seeing who can support or fight his train will be informative if he flips town. But at this point, I'm suspecting an original Kira flip.

If BC flips scum, money on SW for being converted kira, but this is pure speculation until we see any flips.

I should be back before day end, but if not, these have been my words.

I like Gyrlander+Stealth, but need to read Stealth's case before forming a deep read. Stealth vs. SW is an interaction HIGHLY worth looking into.

[MattZed]

lol what is this bull crap. what a waste of your time dude, you know im a citizen lol,the whole game knows ima citizen. lol ive gotten 0 attention all game. i would be getting by way too easy if i were scum

perf person to convert as scum amirite?

I command you to sheep me. Less than 12 hours left, so we need to start condensing trains.

[Mesk514]

perf person to convert as scum amirite?

I command you to sheep me. Less than 12 hours left, so we need to start condensing trains.

why the fuck would anyone convert me. i'm 0% liked. nobody fucks with me in these games. people tend to get annoyed by my lack of enthusiasm and most just tend to think im stupid

[Mesk514]

and also, you made a mistake in your iso.
I voted super jack cause he asked me day 1 that if there was anyone i had to lynch would would it be and i didnt respond, so i voted him cause thats the way i was tilting. but then FB said my vote sucks and i got scared by his dominance so i backed the fuck off

iso thaaaaaaaaaaaaat

[Mesk514]

and also, you made a mistake in your iso.
I voted super jack cause he asked me day 1 that if there was anyone i had to lynch who* would it be and i didnt respond, so i voted him cause thats the way i was tilting. but then FB said my vote sucks and i got scared by his dominance so i backed the fuck off

iso thaaaaaaaaaaaaat

^^

[Mesk514]

4 active trains so i highly doubt you could even pull off a mesk lynch lol

and the only person who hasn't voted is me

on that note

night night

[SuperJack]

Feel free to lynch me, I've just been mentally blocked and can't talk for shit. All I've been able to do is counter every thought I've had with some more Bullshit thoughts. I have no clue who the scum is, other than just inside feelings about Banana she doesn't seem right, out if place. Also Mesk is being less aggressive than usual. I think. Just a little.
Stealth said some shit about his play bit being aggressive enough, feels like he is trying to get a free pass there.
FireBringer is my bae.
Gyrlander and Stealth are being assailed.
Wolf is being emotional to the point where it's not needed, and has ignored attempts to calm her down, and she is purposely ignoring reason.
Crypt I have no idea. And I fear that.
Mattzed claimed L.

[Gyrlander]

-vote BananaCucho

DOWN WITH KIRA.

[Cryptonic]

Meh, I really wouldn't mind and SJ lynch

Neither would I, tbh.
He would be Kira, not Second Kira, IMO

[Cryptonic]

I don't understand why you are being so survivalistic. I mean you yourself said you should be lynched d2.

Yea, and if people were saying to policy lynch me today, I'd be OK with it.

But you do realize it was said specifically so I wouldn't be converted right? It was the WIFOM of asking to be PL today while everyone was saying they'd convert me; that kind of attention would make me an unfavorable Second Kira.

Obviously I could be Kira, but people saying I was converted to Second Kira are dumb.


Are you going to acknowledge you misrepresenting everything in this game and apologize? Or are you going to ignore me calling you out on framing me with false information?

[Cryptonic]

-vote BananaCucho

DOWN WITH KIRA.

Reasoning, or are you just joining the train?

[Cryptonic]

TBH I still dont like the SJ/Gyrlander slots, and would rather lynch them today. But I don't see any chance of that, nor is there any legitimate reason to move an entire train other than gut feeling.

[Gyrlander]

Reasoning, or are you just joining the train?

I'm joining the confirmed town decision. Also, I can't get a clear read from Banana so I don't have anything against this train.

[Cryptonic]

I'm joining the confirmed town decision. Also, I can't get a clear read from Banana so I don't have anything against this train.

Ok thanks for confirming

[Gyrlander]

Ok thanks for confirming

Just want to let you know that I'm suspicious of you as well, so be careful.

[SilverWolf]

OK, I'm going with my biggest 2 townreads in the game. Matt and Mesk. I am suspicious of Crypt but I was wrong about him putting Banana to L-1. I will apologize about that but not the contradictory reasoning for the banana vote or the weird behavior around voting for Matt and not re-voting ika when he turned out to be a mislynch.

Yes, I am emotional this game, it's personal, not NAI, going through a rough time IRL. Just ignore it. I HATE being scumread on really, really shit reasoning that I refute and the person continues when it is clear to anyone with a brain that I am town and have been town all game and am even more town since they voted me. If Stealth isn't willing to re-evaluate his play, I doubt I'll want to work with him in any game UNLESS he's scum-in which case he's doing a good job.

I do not have a clear read on Banana and am fine with the lynch but I'd rather lynch SJ, gyrlander, or Crypt. The reason being banana's passive behavior is something he did in the past couple games when he was town. This is meta (in b4 scumread for using meta) but it's all I got and it's not enough. He's not really digging into the game but NOONE is.

And that's my final vent for today. NOONE is playing this game in a way that will catch scum unless we just get lucky. Matt is the only one who cased banana. I'm suspicious of Crypt because I know he's better. I HATE the way Stealth ignored Crypt's contradictions and continues with the SW is scum cuz contradictions. IF PEOPLE DON'T LEARN IT'S NOT A CONTRADICTION THAT MAKES A PERSONS SCUM BUT THE WAY THEY DO IT AND THE MOTIVATION BEHIND WHAT THEY ARE DOING THAT DOES then there is no hope for you. Saying I'm Kira because I didn't say I was citizen in my first post even though I said Kira wouldn't claim citizen right away like ika did IS NOT A CONTRADICTION. There's like fucking nothing I can work with there. And spacing out my post? Are you fucking serious? I have a life. If there is space between my posts, it's because I'm fucking busy. Again, nothing I can work with. The rest is already refuted-Stealth doesn't know the meaning of meta, scumslip, or fluff. He says I'm not putting in original thoughts and that's crap. Then he says Mesk is scumhunting and not contradicting herself when she's barely posted and he's not looking at anyone else except for an offhand comment he would lynch SJ.

Any yeah, if BC is scum, go ahead and lynch me because I look like his partner for sure. Because I will not put up with another day of this shit and I can't defend against stupidity anymore WHEN I'VE BEEN BLATANTLY OBVIOUS TOWN YOU DUMB FUCKS!!

I'm mean FFS if Mesk can say she's citizen and not scum and get a pass WTF does a citizen like me have to do? Offer to do sexual favors? Fuck that-ika is my soulmate.

Yes, I just woke up and am rambling. I don't give a fuck. I needed to vent.

And another thing I'm upset about is the ika mislynch. I'd much rather have him in the game with me than now. This is one reason we ***** so much.

[SilverWolf]

-vote bananacucho

[The Godfather]

BananaCucho has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


SuperJack (1 [L-4]): BananaCucho
BananaCucho (5 [L-0]): MattZed, SilverWolf, Gyrlander, SuperJack, Cryptonic
Cryptonic (1 [L-4]): Firebringer
SilverWolf (1 [L-4]): Stealthbomber16

[Sino]

Night Two

BananaCucho was lynched. He was Kira

Night two ends in :

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Please submit your night action at least one hour before the end of the night.

[Sino]

Day Three

MattZed died last night, he was L.

Living Players :

@SilverWolf
@Mesk514
@Gyrlander
@Firebringer
@Cryptonic
@SuperJack
@Stealthbomber16

Dead Players :
ika - Citizen
BananaCucho - Kira
MattZed - L

Day 3 ends in :

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

4 votes to hammer.

[Gyrlander]

Honestly, this is already won. I vote killing Cryptonic.

[SuperJack]

Honestly, this is already won. I vote killing Cryptonic.

Because he really wanted banana to live?

[SilverWolf]

I won't vote Mesk today and I'll probably not vote SJ. SJ is for a couple reasons. First, while I wouldn't put it past scum to vote each other this game, I do think SJ's singlehanded push on Banana all of d2 and Banana's vote on him all of d2 would make that pairing unlikely. Also, pretty much everyone was o.k. with SJ's lynch yesterday which kind of makes me think he's not scum. Kind of like how everyone was o.k. with the ika lynch.

Cryptonic did vote for Banana when he could of easily gone for me. Both of us were wagons and I was under pressure more than banana. I highly doubt as scum Cryptonic would avoid pushing me. He mislynched our Empathy ***** as scum in a game here so there's no reason he would be afraid to try to mislynch me. However, the fact he kept saying I'm an easier lynch than banana does give me pause. He likes throwing WIFOM around and that would be the ultimate WIFOM to save his ass as scum. I'm also suspicious of him for the reasons I gave yesterday.

Firebringer made that weird comment I'm gonna have to go find about how he thought scum was pushing Banana. He also was not on the banana train. I can see him being a converted Kira pretty easily.

Stealthbomer singledhandedly voted for me all day, refused to re-evaluate, and did not look into anyone else except for an offhand comment he would lynch SJ and an offhand comment about how Mesk and Crypt were scumhunting and not contradicting-even though I pointed out Crypt's contradictions, they were ignored. He also never voted banana and was not on the banana train. He could be second kira as well.

grylander I really don't know. The only thing I can think of was banana saying he didn't want him lynched-I'd have to go find that and when it was said, he could of been buddying since he clearly buddied me and that would make gyrlander town. There's nothing jumping out at me that points to him being second kira except that one comment by banana and a WIFOMy argument banana would likely choose him to convert. This really isn't enough for my to push this today.

So, I'll look a little into associations later but my preference is Firebringer, Stealthbomber, Crypt in this order. Town can afford 3 mislynches and lynching these 3 would likely win us the game.

[Cryptonic]

Because he really wanted banana to live?

This is sarcasm, right lol

[Cryptonic]

If not, please post quotes.

[Cryptonic]

IMO, this is who I think is scum:

Gyrlander
SuperJack
Firebringer
SilverWolf
Stealthbomber16
Mesk514

Although, I'm not 100% on Stealthbomber. He just gives me a good feeling this game, and I don't really see anything scummy from his slot at all.

Silverwolf does appear scummy to me often this game, but Silverwolf always feels scummy to me. I am letting it go for now, especially since she admitted yesterday that she was wrong about the things she was saying about me and didn't try to just ignore it to leave me painted as scum via misrepresentations. Also, I don't know if I would see scum hammering scum with a post like that @ the end of the day. That could be WIFOM, but it seemed genuine to me.

Firebringer is on the fence for me, but he is leaning Town. He if very underwhelming, but I usually find Firebringer underwhelming in a lot of games when he is Town, and he tries more plays when he is scum. I haven't really seen any plays from him, so that's a Town lean. But, he was out of Town until Jan 9, so he could just be busy IRL now that he's back. But that's not really an argument and just speculation.

SuperJack and Gyrlander are scum to me for the same reason. They both make statements, but rarely (or never) say any facts or quote any evidence to back themselves up. This is an extremely easy thing to do when scum in a game to try to appear to be Town, as it's just pretending to scumhunt. Look @ Gyrlander's post about Firebringer. He says Firebringer is Town but refused to explain the reasoning; The only reason not to give your Town reads on a person is because you are TPR and have hidden information. But, it is impossible for him to be a TPR in this setup, so his entire read had to be based on this game. However, he feels like he cannot share this information because it is private, when in reality all the information is public (based on public day chat). SJ is basically the same, where he comes in and just makes statements and leaves. However, I definitely feel Gyrlander is more scummy than SJ because SJ started the day yesterday with accusations against Banana. Although this could be a weak attempt to bus from Banana, so I'm not completely ruling him out.


Because of that:

-vote Gyrlander

I'm heading out for a bit, bbs

[Cryptonic]

Actually, Stealthbomber is playing a very good middle ground game, so maybe my lack of a read on him should be a red flag.

[Cryptonic]

Also, before I run, I'll look @ the votes quick:

SuperJack (1 [L-4]): BananaCucho
BananaCucho (5 [L-0]): MattZed, SilverWolf, Gyrlander, SuperJack, Cryptonic
Cryptonic (1 [L-4]): Firebringer
SilverWolf (1 [L-4]): Stealthbomber16

Banana's vote on SJ kind of bleeds into my "SJ outted Banana @ the beginning of the day as a weak attempt to Bus", which I could definitely see as a play since MZ was pushing for Banana's lynch. Banana then voted SJ to separate themselves more. "Derp, why would Kira vote second Kira??" type thinking.


Stealthbomber and Firebringer both off of Banana's train also raises suspicion, but worst case scenario is only 1 of those 2 can be scum. So, if I'm saying one is scum because of this, I can't say the other isn't scum for the same reason.

However, with Banana being the confirmed lynch, I don't see why Second Kira wouldn't be on Banana's train, so that actually makes me think Firebringer and Stealth and more Town than Scum for their votes, otherwise it would be a really retarded and obvious move; I don't really see either of these players doing something so amateur.

[SuperJack]

Or I'm just lazy. And the only scum read I had was the person voting me.

But sure go ahead, over think and fuck up.

[SilverWolf]

banana is now third in line for my scum reads.

This was on d1 when we know FB was town.

I am pretty confident that banana is a mislynch being pushed by scum.

This was today after a conversion happened and banana was the leading wagon. The biggest person pushing it was MZ btw.

-vote Firebringer

[SuperJack]

Also, before I run, I'll look @ the votes quick:

SuperJack (1 [L-4]): BananaCucho
BananaCucho (5 [L-0]): MattZed, SilverWolf, Gyrlander, SuperJack, Cryptonic
Cryptonic (1 [L-4]): Firebringer
SilverWolf (1 [L-4]): Stealthbomber16

Banana's vote on SJ kind of bleeds into my "SJ outted Banana @ the beginning of the day as a weak attempt to Bus", which I could definitely see as a play since MZ was pushing for Banana's lynch. Banana then voted SJ to separate themselves more. "Derp, why would Kira vote second Kira??" type thinking.

However, with Banana being the confirmed lynch, I don't see why Second Kira wouldn't be on Banana's train, so that actually makes me think Firebringer and Stealth and more Town than Scum for their votes, otherwise it would be a really retarded and obvious move; I don't really see either of these players doing something so amateur.

The first post of the day was Banana voting on me, so how was it banana voting me because I apparently outed her?

Also I was voting banana way before MZ decided to call it the "confirmed lynch".

Why even try to say this is a thing?
Explain to me why Banana would even convert me, because Banana had to choose someone to convert if I'm correct.

[SuperJack]

Banana would convert either Crypt, FB, SW or Mesk.

[SilverWolf]

However, with Banana being the confirmed lynch, I don't see why Second Kira wouldn't be on Banana's train, so that actually makes me think Firebringer and Stealth and more Town than Scum for their votes, otherwise it would be a really retarded and obvious move; I don't really see either of these players doing something so amateur.

Banana wasn't the confirmed lynch until MZ came back and pushed it. Then Mesk, gyrlander, myself basically voted and he was lynched. So they had no chance to join the train if they wanted to after he became confirmed. Before that, it wasn't set in stone at all because I was also being voted and pretty much everyone said they would lynch SJ.

[SilverWolf]

Banana would convert either Crypt, FB, SW or Mesk.

And why not you or gyrlander?

[Firebringer]

Well I was sure wrong about banana.
Who died? I haven't even checked

[Firebringer]

Ohh right scum matt

I have no clue who is scum.

[Firebringer]

Banana would convert either Crypt, FB, SW or Mesk.

Why not you?

[Firebringer]

This was on d1 when we know FB was town.



This was today after a conversion happened and banana was the leading wagon. The biggest person pushing it was MZ btw.

-vote Firebringer

If your not town I am going to be utterly shocked at how bad my reads are.

[Gyrlander]

You guys think Banana would convert ME? Ha, good joke

[Gyrlander]

Sorry but I can't lynch a Growlithe. That was the reason

[Firebringer]

You guys think Banana would convert ME? Ha, good joke

I would convert you, but only back when you had adorable avis

[Gyrlander]

I would convert you, but only back when you had adorable avis

;_;

Guess it's time to change it again.

[Firebringer]

I am just going to put out there I am not lynching silverwolf or Cryptonic ever.
If either are scum they can win for all I care.

Now the rest of you....
Leaning superjack tbh

[Gyrlander]

I am just going to put out there I am not lynching silverwolf or Cryptonic ever.
If either are scum they can win for all I care.

Now the rest of you....
Leaning superjack tbh

Not lynching Crypt?? Kk u dead brah

[Firebringer]

Not lynching Crypt?? Kk u dead brah

I gotta buddy hard, I am scum after all

[Gyrlander]

I honestly feel that Crypt is trying to go with the easiest mislynch (or the person that is leds likely to defend himself)

[Firebringer]

Naah stealth is probably easier mislynch than you.

Also being aware you are easy to lynch isn't a good sign friend

[Firebringer]

Assuming stealth is town and ur town