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[Mesk514]

firebreaker huh? I like it
Anyways, I gotta go. Going to be off for the night for real now. Cya

Omg, sorry!!! i play too much BO3

[Whad]

Mesk, I find it scummy that you keep pointing out why certain players seem townie but have yet to voice your own suspicious. It reads to me as potential scum buddying up with a variety of people: Calix, me, AIVION, ... and also like scum who is having a hard time scumhunting since you bear overwhelming guilt since you know you are the scum.

I don't think you're over reading it. I can see some sheeping going on..... BAAAAAAAAHBAAAAAAAAH
i mean, there's definitely motivation there, and it's kind of lazy so it can be played off with an easy defence if you flip green.

I agree. Calix doesn't strike me as evil or the type of person who would be evil and put herself on the line there. Whad just made an in-depth comment on really nothing. They're clashing heads, I see good motives from both, they're most likely town to me.

I like how Calix is ready to change the gears and direct the conversation. It shows initiative and good motivations in my opinion.

When I first read this I looked at it and was like okay this can mean
A) We have to be careful of the Neut as there's the possibility it's a killing one.
B) We don't know for certain what anything is we could have 3 protect, 1 investigative, 1 killing, and 1 power which would be pretty stacked for up for town

== Aivion is just pointing out some things that could be useful. I don't see any harm in that. It sparks people's curiosity. It is actually useful in my opinion.

You also make a really waffly/blendy posts here:

I don't think that whole lynch the jester thing is a big enough cloud of smoke to raise suspicion about her. Lynching the jester could be just as affect as blind voting day 1 if everyone votes. & for those who do shy away should raise suspicion. atlas it was kind of a stupid comment. I see your side of it but I also see her side as well.

So my question for you is, who is the most suspicious player in the game to you, and what is your reasoning for them being the most suspicious.

[Whad]

These are NAI, true they lack substance, but examine the fight I had with Darkness, its not so much reason based, but you can feel his emotions in the posts. They are genuine frustration at my actions, which at first I thought could be scum, but as he started lashing out at multiple people, yeah. It was town anger

What is NAI?

I see emotion in DarknessB's posts, but I don't see anything particularly indicative of town anger. Can you pull up some examples, please?

I read the following post as frustrated scum who is mad he is caught based on meta/personal reasons and using the "old meta" excuse to wriggle out of it.

I'm annoyed the same reason that Banana got annoyed with you. That you are literally pegging me as 80% scum (or more) like 75 posts in the game, and mostly based on meta of games that were like 6 months ago. If I were RandomScrubX, I would not have been on your radar at all.

I read these next two as null-leaning frustration.

The fact that anyone could be convinced that someone is 80% scum based on 80 posts of game is pretty astonishing man. It suggests a hardcore tunnel rather than deep thought into the game. Try analysis instead of gut reads please.

(facepalm)

I am speechless at your gut reads. Literally speechless.

Couldn't find anything that seemed like town frustration. In all honesty, I think a townie would get more mad than DarknessB got.

[Whad]

Ok goodnight everybody.

[DarknessB]

Whad, every one of the quotes you've cited below was in response to a direct question or thought by another player. I'm curious why you find the answers suspect, but you don't seem to mind the banal questions / thoughts by each original player? Honestly feels like you fished these quotes out to misrep me as some master of the obvious. Specific responses are below in teal for your reference:

3. I am a bit null on DarknessB at the moment. There are a couple things he has posted that either read manipulative scum trying to get townpoints or actual town trying to be helpful. I'm trying to get a good feeling from you (since you have played with him before) on which case it seems to be.

Here are some of the posts that I am talking about:

Originally Posted by DarknessB

Removal of what investigatives? Sheriff is listed as one of the possible Town roles, as are Detective and Lookout.

This was in response to Post #6 where Iced Monopoly made an odd statement about there not being any investigative roles in the setup. He misread the setup and thought the removal of the Investigator role meant removing all investigative roles. I'm not sure how correcting his misreading of the setup is manipulative. Would you prefer we not correct misunderstandings by players about the game setup?

Originally Posted by DarknessB

We don't even know if we have a Jailor -- sacrificing a lynch to depend on night action luck would be insane.

This post was agreeing with Calix's thought in Post #71 that we should not no lynch because there could possibly be a Jailor in this setup. Some context you might not have -- we just finished a Beginner's Game on this site with a possible Jailor and there was some discussion about whether or not the Town should no lynch if there was a Jailor. My post was intended to shut the door on this notion given it had been the subject of recent debate on our site. Again, not sure how this is particularly manipulative.

Originally Posted by DarknessB

Policy lynching should be a LAST resort. If someone doesn't meet the posting threshold, then that can be raised with the host in a PM and then the host should replace them -- it's far more of a game administration issue and will detract from scumhunting. In the first instance, we should not be wasting time lynching those who are not even around to defend themselves.

This was in response to Iced Monopoly's Post #11, where he said that he welcomed policy lynching lurkers. If my statement was so obviously / manipulative, why did we literally have a player discussing his willingness to policy lynch several posts before in the thread? This is why I'm suggesting you were misrepping me. None of these statements were obvious given they were directly being addressed in the game. A player literally brings up his willingness to policy lynch and somehow it's obvious to everyone that we shouldn't do that?

Originally Posted by DarknessB

No, I think having TPRs out themselves is a terrible idea.

This was directly in response to Firebringer's Post #78 where he directly asked me and other players whether a Jailor should reveal himself to the Town. Again, I'm not sure how this is an obvious answer if another player is literally asking it. You're making it sound like I am coming up with Mafia truisms to win Town points when I am literally responding to other players asking such questions.

DarknessB, I don't expect any sort of response from you about these quotes, but I will be paying attention to see if you step up your content from simply stating the obvious.

Whad, I don't expect any sort of response from you about this, but I will be paying attention to see if you step up your content from simply misrepping players. Two can play at the passive aggressive snark game, eh?

[DarknessB]

Current Read list:

Town:
Calix
DarknessB
Iced Monopoly

Null:
Firebringer
Whad
Mesk
(Others that have not spoken)

Scum:
AIVION
Yuki

Next time, could you provide explanations of why you are putting people into these buckets? The reads are far less helpful without at least some assessment of why.

[DarknessB]

Is Yuki like this with the creepy one sentence posts and acting as if no one should die? This is the biggest scum lean for me.

Yes, sadly, this is part of Yuki's meta. It often takes an exceptional amount of prodding to get him to participate and without that prodding, he is usually content to stay out the spotlight and make low-contribution-type posts.

[DarknessB]

Wanting to kill a Jester isn't scummy. Calling you out on your shitty AIVION read and your attempts at evading the question of WHY is also not scummy.

I really can't imagine that anyone who rolled Jester would in fact claim Jester on Day 1. I know Firebringer is often partial to crazy gambits, but that might be a lot even for him. The AIVION thing is a little weird and I agree that it'd be nice to get a little more of an explanation of how anyone could read him as Town-sided given his early content, which lacked substance.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Yes, sadly, this is part of Yuki's meta. It often takes an exceptional amount of prodding to get him to participate and without that prodding, he is usually content to stay out the spotlight and make low-contribution-type posts.

Hello. Hero of the show

[Yukitaka Oni]

Yes, sadly, this is part of Yuki's meta. It often takes an exceptional amount of prodding to get him to participate and without that prodding, he is usually content to stay out the spotlight and make low-contribution-type posts.

Give you a big hint this time. My role is the same with last game

[DarknessB]

Iced_Monopoly since you are around and I have pretty good faith in your towniness what do you think of my suspicions on Calix and my read that Firebringer is town playing poorly?

I think fully explaining my townreads is anti-town, but I'm pretty sure I know your role and everything you are doing is only confirming it in my mind. If you want me to explain, I can, but I'd rather focus the microscope on my scum reads than on my town reads.

Wait, why would fully explaining your townreads be anti-Town? This is a game of persuasion, and instead, you're making it sound like you have some super secret read which if explained, would spell doom for us. Instead, this honestly felt like you were buddying Iced since he has been a fairly high volume contributor so far and happened to be around when you made this post.

Also, how would you know Iced's role at this point in the game? You seem to like prodding other players for their reads, but are holding your own cards close to your chest, which is quite hypocritical of you and questionable. If you want credibility, it's going to require more than poking other players and refusing to give your own insights.

[DarknessB]

Are you counterclaiming the neutral role?

This is honestly a huge stretch. How would someone saying they are jealous of someone else claiming Jester be themselves counterclaiming that role? You're not jealous of stuff that you have -- that makes no sense. This is what I'm getting at when I say you seem to make odd assumptions that border on misrepping other players to make them look bad.

[DarknessB]

Let's get a pressure train going on Calix. It really rubs me the wrong way that she disappears right after I called her out.

This is another below the belt tactic right here -- Calix specifically said she was going to sleep earlier in the thread and you are calling her out for not responding to your push on her? I could just as easily do the same thing to you, but that would make no sense given you are asleep.

[DarknessB]

I don't think you're over reading it. I can see some sheeping going on..... BAAAAAAAAHBAAAAAAAAH
i mean, there's definitely motivation there, and it's kind of lazy so it can be played off with an easy defence if you flip green.

I agree. Calix doesn't strike me as evil or the type of person who would be evil and put herself on the line there. Whad just made an in-depth comment on really nothing. They're clashing heads, I see good motives from both, they're most likely town to me.

Thus far, I agree that Firebringer vs. Calix pissing match seems like mostly TvT that was largely the result of not many of us being around and tempers flaring early in the game. Calix's push on Firebringer was a little strong for the odd Jester claim (which would seem to be a joke to me), but the AIVION point was more valid. From my vantage point, I am guessing that Firebringer just had a gut read on AIVION, but obviously, he should explain further.

[DarknessB]

When I first read this I looked at it and was like okay this can mean
A) We have to be careful of the Neut as there's the possibility it's a killing one.
B) We don't know for certain what anything is we could have 3 protect, 1 investigative, 1 killing, and 1 power which would be pretty stacked for up for town

== Aivion is just pointing out some things that could be useful. I don't see any harm in that. It sparks people's curiosity. It is actually useful in my opinion.

Pretty sure Calix made the point about the neutral possibly being a neutral killer though and I guess the point about the Town configuration being variable was evident by the setup itself (i.e. every slot reads Town Random and Town Random encompasses all Town slots). Just seems like this post was NAI (non-alignment-indicative) at best, and at worst, AIVION trying to do setup speculation as opposed to reading players. Sure, I don't regard it as anything major, but it's more filler than helpful in my eyes.

[DarknessB]

From what ive seen and played with of fire, this is reasonably similar to his typical style (im certainly not an expert on meta and this is only my own personal interactions with him). But he usually assumes the role of leader, he's very vocal and often drives lynches. He can bus rather well, and so its important to focus on all his interactions with each player. When lynching someone, he dredges up everything youve posted thats even mildly ambigious and tailors it to his cause. Can be persausive, but can sometimes just be an ass.

^ Love you still Fire

This is generally consistent with how I read Firebringer as well. I might add that is he often prone to gambits or approaching things in almost deliberately unconventional ways, which can work well or backfire, depending on the situation.

[DarknessB]

Give you a big hint this time. My role is the same with last game

Uh, you're hard claiming on Day 1 for no particular reason? Or at least WIFOM claiming?

[DarknessB]

No, I just love being the centre of attention when I call out random claims like he did. I mean it's not random but I see what he's doing.

What is he doing from your perspective, Mesk? Seems like there has been quite a bit of back and forth on the supposed Jester claim.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Uh, you're hard claiming on Day 1 for no particular reason? Or at least WIFOM claiming?

Or a frank. But that will give me a soft claim, ya?

[Yukitaka Oni]

I won't die tonight so i have no Pressure. I just feel weird when most of the save....host pick scum is veteran player, it's make me feel like newbie is almost always a town....we could use this logic if I remember correct

[Calix]

Popping in before school. Just going to note down these posts and come back to them later (if still relevant)

Spoiler : Iced's reads :

READS

2. @AIVION
Was initially willing to dismiss his early posts as they centered around a potential attempt to garner sympathy, however his later interactions with Unknown became more interesting, especially the flip on the 'reaction test' and Noob alibi. It appears to me an attempt to cover the previously meaningless posts, although does raise a good point in relation to Unknowns filler and shitposts. Currently leaning Unaligned/Light Scum.

3. @Mesk514
Has not returned to post since claiming she was reading, Unaligned for now until content is posted.

4. @Yukitaka Oni
As usual Yuki meta, posts arbitrary content that doesnt contribute to discussion. A number of posts are instead shitposts related to a showdown between several players and encouraging that. Has avoided several of mine, and other players questions, instead opting to hide between the fight that was going down between calix and fire - admitted to this too. If Yuki wasnt naturally a wild/neutral card, id put him there, but for now hes just going straight in the scum pile until he contributes something useful (Im not optimistic for a day 1 contribution, but hoping for d2+)

5. @Unknown1234
Early posting indicated overt defensivess under minor pressure. Didnt react well when poked about a mostly innocent question. Has continued to pressure avion, which has not garnered as much attention from fire as calix gained from fire when broaching the topic of Avion. Despite to a degree being ignored/not as loud as some other players, but continuing to post and not using it as an excuse to lurk, would place Light/Medium Town.

6. @Whad
Since joining has only asked 1 question regarding darkness in calix's town pile, didnt receive an answer and hasnt pursued. Potentially trying to appear active and involved despite wanting to fly under the radar - Only a thought, too little information to go on. Unaligned for now.

7. @Calix
Initially set to be neutral, remaining mostly impartial and mediating/encouraging discussion. Began engaging more thoroughly with other players as the game picked up pace. Style appears to be more defensive/personal than what im used to seeing (but meta is discounted in reads given my low play count). Expecting a more in depth investigation into player interactions and posting come day 2. Light/Medium Town.

8. @DarknessB
Has mostly moved to analyse and question posts, providing a platform for early discussion. The argument that arose between him and fire seemed more personal than in-game related and as a result is unlikely to be representative of role alignment. His posts before leaving were emotional/passionate, pressure will be most advantageous to prying information in coming days. For now Unaligned/Light town read.

9. @Firebringer
Seeming ready to instigate an arguement or delve into discussion on topics with almost any player. Potentially reaction testing players and guaging responses to mark against future posts, seems town aligned although his innability to answer Calix's question regarding his defense of aivon (on multiple occasions) leaves me with a unaligned/light scum read.

Spoiler : Whad's case on me :

I have been busy catching up on the whole thread so far and have finally finished.

At the current moment, I think you are really scummy and there are a few things I would like you to clear up.

1. Your scummy play regarding Firebringer's Jester claim

Firebringer claiming Jester and then a mafia claim with you as a scumbuddy seems like bad townplay, but townplay nonetheless. His play does not seem consistent with a jester, or a neutral and thus I find your post quoted below to be particularly weak:



This next quote of yours really bothers me since you say that lynching Firebringer means the "worst case scenario" is lynching a Jester. It makes me think that you are mafia and know that Firebringer is not your ally. Worst case scenario for a genuine townsperson would be lynching a townie. It's very interesting to me that you go straight to the mafia mindset where the worst case scenario is where you have helped lynch a jester and might succumb to jester grief:



2. Voting with AIVION your scum suspect

I think your reaction to Firebringer hard defending your scumsuspect AIVION is reasonable. However, it rubs me the wrong way that you then vote for Firebringer on a train WITH your biggest scumsuspect AIVION. This reads to me like distancing yourself from a potential scumbuddy (AIVION) and subtly pushing for a wagon on Firebringer who is a big talker in the town.

3. I am a bit null on DarknessB at the moment. There are a couple things he has posted that either read manipulative scum trying to get townpoints or actual town trying to be helpful. I'm trying to get a good feeling from you (since you have played with him before) on which case it seems to be.

Here are some of the posts that I am talking about:









DarknessB, I don't expect any sort of response from you about these quotes, but I will be paying attention to see if you step up your content from simply stating the obvious.

I found all of the posts from DarknessB that I quoted to be restating stuff that should be obvious from the setup OR from any sort of common sense regarding playing mafia. They did strike me deeply as scum playing town and posting these basic common sense posts to seem to be participating while not contributing much new information or analysis.

However, I am trying my hardest to reconcile my scum read on him with the general game opinion that he is town.

Will get back to the case on me after school, but that last line rubs me the wrong way. Why would you need to "reconcile" your opinion with what the rest of the town thinks? Presenting a case to see how others respond (and adjusting your read in light of that), sure. Adjusting your opinion to fit in with the majority is not.

Spoiler : Another Iced post :

Your case on my 'towniness' seems odd, as youve not reasoned the alignment, especially given other players are reading me scum. Im reading that in itself as an attempt at buddying, whether looking for votes, or hoping for a mislynch by association down the line should you flip red, but I am most very likely over reading that.

In regards to your theories on calix, I hadnt taken into consideration too heavily on her position when she discussed outcomes from a jester lynch. I can see your associations with a red alignment, but I also dont believe Calix would make it so easy to out her if that were the case. Im almost inclined to believe shes the neutral, the way she continues to insinuate others may be it (especially fire), she might be looking for a red trying to disguise as her role. This would fit with her earlier neut/agressive play, which may translate to an executioner. Getting cred for outing a fake neut and then lynching her target with that cred. But nonetheless, you made some interesting observations.

In regards to fire playing town poorly, im not convinced, if hes town and playing this way, then hes likely a citizen IMO. Trying to garner information to deduce scum, whilst also appearing as a potential night kill so actual TPRs arent hit. Like I mentioned in my read though, his aivion-question-interactions are troubling.

Let's get a pressure train going on Calix. It really rubs me the wrong way that she disappears right after I called her out.

Ew, fuck off. I literally made a post saying that I was going to sleep at 3AM IN THE MORNING.

Umm she has some anti town comments in regards to a few things, like my "jester" claim. And then of course she votes me even though her scumread is on me. Which she doesn't say she is now or say any read change is involved. Its pretty scummy if you ask me.

"Anti-town"

It amuses me how you can't stick yourself down in a legitimate scum-read. Keep on flip-flopping between "scummy as fuck", "null", "anti-town", "scum" again with no consistency to it.

In other news, read the fucking thread. I've spoon-fed "MY READ ON AIVION HAS CHANGED" way too many times for it to fly over your head. I don't see the insane stretch required to initially read AIVION as scummy, push, notice your weird-ass behaviour in regards to AIVION and conclude that you might be scum instead of him.

I've already said on multiple occasions that I've been mulling my stance on AIVION because of FB's interaction with him. The fact that Whad and FB both ignore this to act like I'm 'voting with a scum-read' is suspect.

Spoiler : Decent-ish post by Whad :

Mesk, I find it scummy that you keep pointing out why certain players seem townie but have yet to voice your own suspicious. It reads to me as potential scum buddying up with a variety of people: Calix, me, AIVION, ... and also like scum who is having a hard time scumhunting since you bear overwhelming guilt since you know you are the scum.








You also make a really waffly/blendy posts here:



So my question for you is, who is the most suspicious player in the game to you, and what is your reasoning for them being the most suspicious.

[DarknessB]

I won't die tonight so i have no Pressure. I just feel weird when most of the save....host pick scum is veteran player, it's make me feel like newbie is almost always a town....we could use this logic if I remember correct

I'm not under the impression that POD handpicks roles for players, but sure, let's find out to be 100% sure:
POD, did you randomly assign roles to players or did you handpick this game?

Regardless, I think it's a bit dangerous to start metaing the host on who might have received what role.

[Yukitaka Oni]

I'm not under the impression that POD handpicks roles for players, but sure, let's find out to be 100% sure:
POD, did you randomly assign roles to players or did you handpick this game?

Regardless, I think it's a bit dangerous to start metaing the host on who might have received what role.

Good question

[Firebringer]

I am horrible at this sleeping thing. HIYA!

[Yukitaka Oni]

I am horrible at this sleeping thing. HIYA!

And now it's my turn to sleep...

[DarknessB]

And now it's my turn to sleep...

OMG, Yuki is going to sleep and not answering questions -- scumreading him now! /s

[Firebringer]

OMG, Yuki is going to sleep and not answering questions -- scumreading him now! /s

Darkness with the jokes. This is a new side I like.

[Calix]

Darkness with the jokes. This is a new side I like.

Firebringer with the condescending comments. This is a side that refuses to die.

[Yukitaka Oni]

OMG, Yuki is going to sleep and not answering questions -- scumreading him now! /s

God damn it...come on...it's 12:00 PM you really want me to play this game 24/7?

[Firebringer]

"Anti-town"

It amuses me how you can't stick yourself down in a legitimate scum-read. Keep on flip-flopping between "scummy as fuck", "null", "anti-town", "scum" again with no consistency to it.

In other news, read the fucking thread. I've spoon-fed "MY READ ON AIVION HAS CHANGED" way too many times for it to fly over your head. I don't see the insane stretch required to initially read AIVION as scummy, push, notice your weird-ass behaviour in regards to AIVION and conclude that you might be scum instead of him.

I've already said on multiple occasions that I've been mulling my stance on AIVION because of FB's interaction with him. The fact that Whad and FB both ignore this to act like I'm 'voting with a scum-read' is suspect.

Your right, my reads are changing. But I have been saying you are scum and I said you were leaning more towards null, though with Iced latest posting you might be my strongest scum read.

Cool story

What does your interactions with me change AIVIONs role card? How does what I do, impact what his alignment is? Seriously.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer with the condescending comments. This is a side that refuses to die.

Look, you are still my favorite okay? You don't need to get jealous because I am telling Darkness that I like his jokes.

[DarknessB]

Look, you are still my favorite okay? You don't need to get jealous because I am telling Darkness that I like his jokes.

So, you're basically saying there's enough Firebringer to go around?

Okay, no more jokes from me, lol.

[Calix]

Your right, my reads are changing. But I have been saying you are scum and I said you were leaning more towards null, though with Iced latest posting you might be my strongest scum read.

Cool story

What does your interactions with me change AIVIONs role card? How does what I do, impact what his alignment is? Seriously.

You acknowledge this, but don't allow me to change my own without it being scummy...?

Why?

You don't get to 'cool story' the part where I counter part of your 'case' against me.

"FB's interactions with HIM"

You really don't know how to read, do you?

There is no way you are actually this dumb. Associative tells are a thing. If someone is acting suspiciously around a slot after you pressure said slot, that's not something you let slide just because you initially scum-read someone.

[Calix]

I'm off now. Enjoy!

[Unknown1234]

Next time, could you provide explanations of why you are putting people into these buckets? The reads are far less helpful without at least some assessment of why.

I did on the next page

[Unknown1234]

So, you're basically saying there's enough Firebringer to go around?

Okay, no more jokes from me, lol.

Sorry if this is delayed, did you explain why your voting me?

[Iced_Monopoly]

Sorry if this is delayed, did you explain why your voting me?

Misquote?

[Whad]

Whad, every one of the quotes you've cited below was in response to a direct question or thought by another player. I'm curious why you find the answers suspect, but you don't seem to mind the banal questions / thoughts by each original player? Honestly feels like you fished these quotes out to misrep me as some master of the obvious. Specific responses are below in teal for your reference:

Whad, I don't expect any sort of response from you about this, but I will be paying attention to see if you step up your content from simply misrepping players. Two can play at the passive aggressive snark game, eh?

Hey DarknessB Thanks for your response.

Removal of what investigatives? Sheriff is listed as one of the possible Town roles, as are Detective and Lookout.

Regarding this first quote, I read it in a way that looked bad for you upon my first few reads of the game and now am interpreting it differently. You're off the hook there.

Maybe I'm giving this FM site too much credit but I would imagine that people can (a) read a setup, (b) never waste a lynch so you can use the lynch/vote count analaysis, (c) fishing for PRs is scummy, (d) meet basic activity and content requirements, and (e) well some people have differing opinions on policy lynching but my opinion is that bad town is still town.

Color me flabbergasted since it now appears to me that your intentions are sincere corrections of other players' misunderstandings of the game.

[Whad]

Wait, why would fully explaining your townreads be anti-Town? This is a game of persuasion, and instead, you're making it sound like you have some super secret read which if explained, would spell doom for us. Instead, this honestly felt like you were buddying Iced since he has been a fairly high volume contributor so far and happened to be around when you made this post.

Also, how would you know Iced's role at this point in the game? You seem to like prodding other players for their reads, but are holding your own cards close to your chest, which is quite hypocritical of you and questionable. If you want credibility, it's going to require more than poking other players and refusing to give your own insights.

Nope, not going to explain my read on Iced right now. If I think it's anti-town to explain it at this moment you're going to just have to trust me on that.

I'd hardly say that I'm refusing to give insights. I've shared my thoughts on quite a few other players. Who's the one misrepping peoples posts now?

This is honestly a huge stretch. How would someone saying they are jealous of someone else claiming Jester be themselves counterclaiming that role? You're not jealous of stuff that you have -- that makes no sense. This is what I'm getting at when I say you seem to make odd assumptions that border on misrepping other players to make them look bad.

It had to be asked. Often players will be subtly focused on things concerning their role. I could see it as a soft neutral cc to let mafia know not to kill him.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt for now that you misrepping me about misrepping other players is simply not understanding my playstyle.

[powerofdeath]

AIVION have some family issues and will be replaced out momentarily.

[Whad]

Popping in before school. Just going to note down these posts and come back to them later (if still relevant)

Will get back to the case on me after school, but that last line rubs me the wrong way. Why would you need to "reconcile" your opinion with what the rest of the town thinks? Presenting a case to see how others respond (and adjusting your read

Please come back to mine later.

My note on "reconciling" my opinion has to do with the fact that there are only three scum in this game, and more than three people were putting DarknessB in a town slot or even had once suspected DarknessB but drastically flipped their opinion (Firebringer). I don't have the advantage of knowing meta on his playstyle or any of all of your playstyles to help inform my reads.

Pretty sure Calix made the point about the neutral possibly being a neutral killer though and I guess the point about the Town configuration being variable was evident by the setup itself (i.e. every slot reads Town Random and Town Random encompasses all Town slots). Just seems like this post was NAI (non-alignment-indicative) at best, and at worst, AIVION trying to do setup speculation as opposed to reading players. Sure, I don't regard it as anything major, but it's more filler than helpful in my eyes.

I actually got a lot out of that post from AIVION.

Who here plays the sc2mafia mod?

Calix, do you play the sc2mafia mod?

[powerofdeath]

@AIVION

Please unvote if you can.

EDIT: Don't bother, I reset it for you.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Im about to head off for the next 9-10 hours, Mesk is and has been viewing the forums for some time, presumably catching up, and will hopefully be posting shortly. Whad continues to concern me with his efforts to reassure others of my mysterious role and alignment, which im still perceiving as a buddying attempt (god knows why when im still being scum read). Darkness came back and addressed most of the comments and topics in the thread since he had left, but ignored or didnt discuss any of the posts I had made or been involved in, which struck me as odd given his involvement in my posting earlier in the game. And thats about it for now, im too tired to write coherent sentences or use any kind of nice formatting, everything is just going to be one big blob. See you all in the morning.

[Whad]

This is all I've got time for now. Won't be back for at least 12 hours.

[Whad]

Im about to head off for the next 9-10 hours, Mesk is and has been viewing the forums for some time, presumably catching up, and will hopefully be posting shortly. Whad continues to concern me with his efforts to reassure others of my mysterious role and alignment, which im still perceiving as a buddying attempt (god knows why when im still being scum read). Darkness came back and addressed most of the comments and topics in the thread since he had left, but ignored or didnt discuss any of the posts I had made or been involved in, which struck me as odd given his involvement in my posting earlier in the game. And thats about it for now, im too tired to write coherent sentences or use any kind of nice formatting, everything is just going to be one big blob. See you all in the morning.

Let me just put it this way I think we have the same role. Consider that a soft claim from me to you. ;)

[Mesk514]

Hi,

So yesterday when this game started I wasn't online and when i was online i was really like not on this planet.... sooooooo excuse me for the random 2 cents but I did want to show i was participating....I'm just going to go over some thing I know I had been asked some question about my ideas and there was an accusation somewhere, just give me a moment please.

Also right now it's 7:30am for me. I will be most likely on till around 11 or so then i'll be fucking off for a bit.
but most times you can find me active after 10pm... except for last night where i passed out at the computer with cheeseycheese on my fingers.

[powerofdeath]

Resetting vote count btw.



@SuperJack replaced AIVION

Firebringer (1 [L-4]):
Calix
Yukitaka Oni (1 [L-4]):
Iced_Monopoly
AIVION (1 [L-4]):
Unknown1234
Unknown1234 (2 [L-3]):
DarknessB, AIVION
Calix (2 [L-3]):
Firebringer, Whad

[Unknown1234]

Resetting vote count btw.



@SuperJack replaced AIVION

Firebringer (1 [L-4]):
Calix
Yukitaka Oni (1 [L-4]):
Iced_Monopoly
AIVION (1 [L-4]):
Unknown1234
Unknown1234 (2 [L-3]):
DarknessB, AIVION
Calix (2 [L-3]):
Firebringer, Whad

Still seems legit!

-vote SuperJack

[Yukitaka Oni]

Rise and shine...l
- Calix and Fire won't die tonight
- DarknessB or Superjack might die tonight....
- the other and me have normal chance to die tonight

[SuperJack]

-vote Unknown1234