S-FM 197: Sandbox

[Quick]

Yeah you can start explaining us your obsession with killing Kovath ASAP

I thought he was scum for good reason. Honestly it says more about how well Kovath played then how bad I played :/

[Titus]

Yeah you can start explaining us your obsession with killing Kovath ASAP

Kovath "slipped" but it was deliberate, as he was trying to get lynched. Quick and I just bought it.

[Titus]

Quick, I got no idea what the fuck you're doing but whatever, I don't have the stamina to figure that shit out. You're town. I'm town. Let's lynch scum. K thx.

[Unknown1234]

-vote Titus

Why are you voting Titus? Much more will come out of a FB lynch, I can tell if Titus is just a troll but I'd rather vote up Fire.

[Unknown1234]

Cant*

[Quick]

Why are you voting Titus? Much more will come out of a FB lynch, I can tell if Titus is just a troll but I'd rather vote up Fire.

OK, so I will entertain the thought. Why fire? What specifically will that tell us?

[Unknown1234]

OK, so I will entertain the thought. Why fire? What specifically will that tell us?

What I'm feeling right now is the fact that Firebringer has been silent, voted Kovath, and a few other reasons I have stated after night 1. I think that based off of who he has accused, and who has defended him, it will give us a better idea of where everyone should be. I DO believe Titus is evil, but I think Fire should help us figure out who is and isn't Scum.

[Quick]

What I'm feeling right now is the fact that Firebringer has been silent, voted Kovath, and a few other reasons I have stated after night 1. I think that based off of who he has accused, and who has defended him, it will give us a better idea of where everyone should be. I DO believe Titus is evil, but I think Fire should help us figure out who is and isn't Scum.

K, that seems like a really townie response tbh. I was thinking the same about fire being silent and voting Kovath. I'd like to see Fire's reason for that.

[Quick]

You are trying to hint at something...I am just not getting what exactly it is....

Yeah, I am getting that a lot of what Funce is doing is fake, but it could be just to get reactions.
Though it doesn't seem like it the longer this goes on.

This is funce trying to actively be the center of attention, but he isn't trying to actively sort or read players. He is creating noise. That is what a Jester does. THey create noise, they annoy players, and try to disrupt people from reading, and they don't hunt for scum so they are more likely to be voted.

He isn't very confident I would say, he is just saying random shit.

I swear Funce is acting like Donald Trump imitation right now lol.

I am like 80% sure Funce is a Jester lol.
I don't know if he can do anything to convince me he isn't.

Shouldn't be lynched today.
Going to probably start ignoring him :P

Up to this point all Fire does is focus on Funce. this is up to post #102 (if someone can tell me how to link to posts that would be great. I know there is a method for this besides copy paste >.<)

We aren't going to have an argument based on what tunneling qualifies for.
Your reaction to pressure hasn't given me much so far.

Do you think Quick is scum for pushing you?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I was focussing pretty much all my attention on Kovath.

We are about 5 pages in. You can't tunnel someone 5 pages in.
COmpare this to you calling me scum for 60 some pages in World of Music.

Theres a huge difference in tunneling. THe game just started.

Didn't like this reaction very well.

How is he conf town? he is in my strong town pool, but conf is a bit much.....

This is important because Titus actually said "damn near" confirmed Town not that I was confirmed.

How am I in the "Inactive" section when I am in top 4 posters? I am only two posts behind yourself....

It looks like fire is intentionally taking this reads list out of context.

Id move Gyrlander to scum lean.

We really need more from AIVION and Ika though.
Really not enough to go off them.

Otherwise I like this reads list.

I didn't question this originally because I thought fire actually agreed with me. That said, it really bugs me that he thought Gyrlander was more scum than what I had him as. I didn't seem much from Gyrl that was alignment indicative so if Fire can explain that read more that would be great.

Want to go in at anypoint how Titus is scum besides meta? Or Lickety?

why doesn't fire question the G4slight read here?

So we are almost at days end and we can't get a simple majoirty?
Thats lame.

And this is just weird all over. I have no idea where he was getting this at all.

[Quick]

Alright, woke up recently and just got done catching up. This is where my read list lies so far from what I've seen:

Town:
Quick
G4slight
Mesk


Town lean:
Firebringer


Null:
Titus
ika
Gyrlander
Talboturbo

Scum lean:
Unknown
Kovath

Scum:
Funce
Kovath

Not liking Kovath's early interactions. His self-defense felt a bit premature and everything after that felt really fake, sort of like a scum trying to appear as town... example posts are #141 and #171. Overall it's really hard to see him actually appear town to me after what I've seen of him.

Unknown was null when I was first going through, but as soon as he started going at it with Mesk he starts to appear a bit scummy to me... example posts are #181 and #196 where he's trying to use meta to throw shade on a player who's actively scum-reading him... this is NOT a pro-town move in any sort of way.

Funce in general is just... Blargh. Nothing but Troll posts and fluff all the way through. He even actively admits he's lurking on #151... I personally feel like #110 is his worst post though... His play was inexcusable to me... No town should have to wait for people to interact with him in order to actively contribute, as he stated in #110. Nothing wrong with trying to settle into a game, but you're doing it in the worst kind of way possible.

I also want to note that I want to see more from: Gyrlander (I am happy to see you're actually gonna try and instead not sheep... *thumbs up*), Talboturbo (He reminds me of my first few FM games, and I really feel like he can really provide good insight to the town if he just tries.)

So yea, on that note:

-vote Funce

This reads list is looking really good right now. Not necessarily because I agree with it 100%, but I can see the Town perspective in how he came to the conclusions of these reads. I think That bumps him up to a Town lean for me.

[Quick]

-vote unvote

i've been having mood swings all day but heres what I suggest:

Gyrlander and his sheep must go.

I only trust myself therefore I do not trust Quick, therefore because I don't think Kovath is scum I am not gonna hop on that bandwagon at the moment.

Funce is either a shit town or Neutral therefore he is not a good day 1 lynch
G4slight leans scummy to me, but that can be dealt with later
Aivion has given some quality input so he's not a good day 1 lynch
We're obviously not going to get a train going on Quick right now
We're not going to lynch kovath because Quick read scum
We're not going to lynch Unknown because I read scum
No one's really questioned Firebringer
Poor Ika has been busy.
Talboturbo may just be a noob finding his way.


Therefore, because Gyrlander has been no use to us, I say he should be the first to go.


Vote with me or suffer the consequences.

This is a confirmed dead Townies reads list. I think its worth taking a look at Gyrlander today as well as fire.

[Unknown1234]

This reads list is looking really good right now. Not necessarily because I agree with it 100%, but I can see the Town perspective in how he came to the conclusions of these reads. I think That bumps him up to a Town lean for me.

I would sure hope you think he's town. He's dead.

[Unknown1234]

This is a confirmed dead Townies reads list. I think its worth taking a look at Gyrlander today as well as fire.

I like this plan.

[Quick]

@G4slight is Town AF going through his ISO. I will not be voting him this game.

[Quick]

I would sure hope you think he's town. He's dead.

Well in that case I have either derp cleared myself or I did it on purpose to make it look like I derp towned myself.

[Quick]

@So far @Funce hasn't done shit all game and has yet to post today iirc. I think there is a good chance Funce is 3p.

I think we need to pressure this slot.

[Gyrlander]

@G4slight is Town AF going through his ISO. I will not be voting him this game.

Considering he's dead now and that he slipped mafia...

[Quick]

I'm sure that a scum would say that too. (Sarcasm)

For what reason, Sir?

Unknown, this kinda looks like a Freudian slip. Could you explain this?

[Gyrlander]

People I'm fine voting today: Quick, Funce, Firebringer and Titus

[Quick]

Considering he's dead now and that he slipped mafia...

How did he die? There is a scum role that can change the Alignment upon death IIRC.

[Quick]

People I'm fine voting today: Quick, Funce, Firebringer and Titus

This is kinda a light scum slip because you have already predetermined who you are voting for without looking at new evidence.

[Quick]

*retires my vote in the hall of fame*

Ok.

Now you should vote Kovath now.

What did you mean by this titus?

[Quick]

Please remember the jester lynch should be treated as a Town lynch

This is just oh so WRONG on so many levels.

OK guys, I think Unknown and Gyrlander are the mafia in this game.

[Quick]

-vote Unknown1234

[Gyrlander]

This is just oh so WRONG on so many levels.

OK guys, I think Unknown and Gyrlander are the mafia in this game.

Come with me to play poker. Then we will discuss your readings and then I'll slap you with a banana and hope you get your readings right that time.

[Quick]

Come with me to play poker. Then we will discuss your readings and then I'll slap you with a banana and hope you get your readings right that time.

Then if your reads are so good provide a reads list.

[Quick]

@Gyrlander , do I have to remind you that I had valid reasons for voting Kovath? Like the fact that Unknown and you are saying I am scum for lynching someone with valid reasons is highly sus. And I'd wager the reason why you two didn't want Kovath dead is because you thought he was town.

[Firebringer]

I am really not in this game right now, though since Gyrlander has such a scum list, I odn't think he is scum at all.
Still think Quick is town.

Praying Titus is town, so I am willing to lynch Unknown.

[Firebringer]

-vote Unknown1234

Also to answer questions on why I didn't know that fact is:
1) I have seen how blackmailer usually works and thats now how it worked in FMs before.
2) No I didn't read the setup. I don't think this was balanced at all.

[Firebringer]

-unvote

Wait a minute.
Right now i 100% support a lynch on me actually.

Guys, lynch me.

[Firebringer]

Lynch me guys.
My role is: Virigin.

Look it up in role list. PoD didn't even give me full role card.
He mispelled it to be 'virgn'.

So I should be lynched, then if we have invests they can sort stuff out.
I am not feeling for this game anyways.

so its a win/win/win and win for america.

[Firebringer]

Apparently I can't spell either.

[Titus]

What did you mean by this titus?

Satirizing Grylander for being unwilling to vote what I perceived as obvscum.

What can change roles?

Why do you think of Unknown calling me a troll?

@Firebringer , you forgot your vote on unknown.

[Titus]

Lynch me guys.
My role is: Virigin.

Look it up in role list. PoD didn't even give me full role card.
He mispelled it to be 'virgn'.

So I should be lynched, then if we have invests they can sort stuff out.
I am not feeling for this game anyways.

so its a win/win/win and win for america.

Error lacks foundation: Strongman and Sniper.

Vote unknown. Ty.

[Firebringer]

Error lacks foundation: Strongman and Sniper.

Vote unknown. Ty.

My role card specifically says no kills can happen if I am lynched.
I think those roles qualify.

[Gyrlander]

@Gyrlander , do I have to remind you that I had valid reasons for voting Kovath? Like the fact that Unknown and you are saying I am scum for lynching someone with valid reasons is highly sus. And I'd wager the reason why you two didn't want Kovath dead is because you thought he was town.

A townie doesnt scream and ask everyone to vote one person

[Firebringer]

Well actually nvm, I forgot this part "Does not ignore Strongman kill."
This assumes they have strongman though.

[Firebringer]

A townie doesnt scream and ask everyone to vote one person

I do when I am town.

[Quick]

My role card specifically says no kills can happen if I am lynched.
I think those roles qualify.

How is that better than lynching scum tho?

[Titus]

My role card specifically says no kills can happen if I am lynched.
I think those roles qualify.

They don't. Sniper is a day kill and Strongman is specifically excluded. First page.

[Quick]

A townie doesnt scream and ask everyone to vote one person

Oh really? Honestly I am kinda tired of people saying "a townie would never do that." its so weak its not even funny.

[Titus]

Well actually nvm, I forgot this part "Does not ignore Strongman kill."
This assumes they have strongman though.

I would rather lynch scum than chance it.

[Unknown1234]

Eh, I'll take his claim. Back to Titus and Quick.

-vote Titus

[Quick]

Eh, I'll take his claim. Back to Titus and Quick.

-vote Titus

Thank God for this. Now I know you are scum.

[Unknown1234]

I would rather lynch scum than chance it.

Nah if your town I've never seen someone town play this way without any reads or anything to back it p. Quick is just a follower.

Fire, I would appreciate if you spoke up more, still not convinced that your town either. At this rate anyways, everyone is either a really big troll/afk/not trying so I am very convinced that I will by lynched. At the end of the verdict (if I am lynched) please give your full attention to Titus who should be dead already.

[Unknown1234]

Thank God for this. Now I know you are scum.

Nah, your doing a pretty terrible job btw.

[Quick]

OK, so yeah, I have Unknown as my strongest scum read atm. The fact he was so strong against lynching Kovath is because he thought Kovath was Town and he would get townie points for not wanting to lynch a townie.

[Titus]

Probably scum without a strongman. If they had a strongman, Unknown probably votes Fire "to protect against all kills".

[Unknown1234]

Titus and Quick are really the worst people to listen to, if you do then you are not paying attention clearly. I have made way more points to back me up, pretty sure Titus hasn't said one helpful message yet.

[Quick]

@Unknown1234 ,

I am asking specifically YOU this question: how did G4slight die last night?