S-FM 197: Sandbox

[G4slight]

Unknown can now be moved from my "all of the innactives" his response to mesk's pressure seems like a squirm more than an actual explanation. He's still null for me but starting to ping my scumdar.

Posting from mobile atm so forgive any bad grammar or bad spelling.

[G4slight]

You can all stop commenting on the fact that I stepped up my game, or i'll go back to shit posting. It's rather annoying.

It wasn't a compliment, it was just part of my reasoning for having you null to town, which you are continuing to ignore and are only commenting on my initial scum vibe of you.

[Mesk514]

It wasn't a compliment, it was just part of my reasoning for having you null to town, which you are continuing to ignore and are only commenting on my initial scum vibe of you.

Sorry your scum read must of been so shit I missed it.. can you please reinstate your your opinion or give me the post ##
k thanks.

[Titus]

you got to give me credit for fighting that one to the bitter end though.

Yup. Tbh, that was my best town game ever.

[Titus]

Mesk is lean town.

He should join us on the town wagon of win.

[G4slight]

Sorry your scum read must of been so shit I missed it.. can you please reinstate your your opinion or give me the post ##
k thanks.

Said you were null to scum initially since you called out unknown for lack of posts, and post quality and your own posts and post quality weren't that great. But after that post you really stepped up your posting game and I found you te be more null to town then null to scum.

But you did quote it so I doubt my read was shit, just your retention ability

[Mesk514]

He should join us on the town wagon of win.

I have a vagina.

[Mesk514]

Said you were null to scum initially since you called out unknown for lack of posts, and post quality and your own posts and post quality weren't that great. But after that post you really stepped up your posting game and I found you te be more null to town then null to scum.

But you did quote it so I doubt my read was shit, just your retention ability

whatever, I'll take the null to town read.

My mention ability is pretty on point actually, sorry if I was more thinking you had better content somewhere to support your arguments.

[Gyrlander]

Players that I have a read on them: Mesk - Seems a little tryhard after she got PEW PEW PEW'd. Town inspiration (kawaii)

Funce: I don't really have anything to say. He just have erratic votes and makes fun of everyone!?!??! Dumb or mafia. I'll vote him as I think he's scummy than little FireBringer :__)

-vote Funce

[Unknown1234]

I apologize in advance that most of my posts are on my phone. I will make more posts when I am with my computer later. Also, it wasn't just GYRL, it's also AIVION and Ika.

[Quick]

I think mesk is town. I've never seen someone that bitchy as scum tbh.

[Quick]

Town:
Talboturbo
Mesk514

Town lean:
Titus
Firebringer
G4slight

Null:
AIVION
Ika
Gyrlander
Unknown1234

Scum Lean:
Funce

Scum:
Kovath

[Quick]

Yup. Tbh, that was my best town game ever.

Yeah, you really nailed us in that one.

[Quick]

Please read post #156 as it details both of his comments. The fact that you didn't notice that I had actually posted my opinions and reads before really shows me how much you paid attention seeing as other people have been talking about it.

I think it's really important that we discuss Unknown and his comments as they gave no relevance, no insight and were just plain scummy.

I did read your comments on Unknown's post and I tried to analyze those posts and didn't get anything scummy or townie out of them, just got the impression that he was taking it easy.

[Firebringer]

Town lean:

Quick

Null to town:

Mesk

Null:

All the inactives
Talbo
Firebringer
Titus

Null to scum:

Kovath
Funce

How am I in the "Inactive" section when I am in top 4 posters? I am only two posts behind yourself....

[Firebringer]

Town:
Talboturbo
Mesk514

Town lean:
Titus
Firebringer
G4slight

Null:
AIVION
Ika
Gyrlander
Unknown1234

Scum Lean:
Funce

Scum:
Kovath

Id move Gyrlander to scum lean.

We really need more from AIVION and Ika though.
Really not enough to go off them.

Otherwise I like this reads list.

[Firebringer]

And I have descended into the lurking.
This is horrid.

@Funce But we love you anyways.

[G4slight]

How am I in the "Inactive" section when I am in top 4 posters? I am only two posts behind yourself....

You aren't in the innactive section. I meant that all the innactives I had a null read on, I didn't list them by name just as innactives.

You, Talbo, and Titus are all null along those who haven't posted enough for me to read.

[Firebringer]

@Quick can you explain why you said in post (I think 14 That Unknown wasn't scum, but now you have in your reads list him being null?
I still don't understand that, I don't think its inconsistency, but it feels odd.

Any particular reasons you think he would be a bad lynch or just think Kovath is better?


Also, why the HELL AM I UP SO EARLY!?!?!?
I should go back to sleep.

[Firebringer]

You aren't in the innactive section. I meant that all the innactives I had a null read on, I didn't list them by name just as innactives.

You, Talbo, and Titus are all null along those who haven't posted enough for me to read.

Okay? Its just, I have posted quite a bit. Quite more so than those other two, but Ika, Titus, and Gyrlander I think are the most inactive with actual posting.

Whatever, I am splitting hairs.

Thoughts on Gyrlander?

Also on bacon?

[G4slight]

Also, hate to detract from gameplay, but it's driving me crazy, what do the symbols mean under usernames?

[G4slight]

Okay? Its just, I have posted quite a bit. Quite more so than those other two, but Ika, Titus, and Gyrlander I think are the most inactive with actual posting.

Whatever, I am splitting hairs.

Thoughts on Gyrlander?

Also on bacon?

Agreed you've posted a lot, however your still on my null list.

Grylander seemed to slide in an easy, however understandable vote on Funce, I find Grylander to still be considered inactive for me, would like to see a lot more from them since substantial activity has actually happened.

Love bacon 100%

[Firebringer]

Agreed you've posted a lot, however your still on my null list.

Grylander seemed to slide in an easy, however understandable vote on Funce, I find Grylander to still be considered inactive for me, would like to see a lot more from them since substantial activity has actually happened.

Love bacon 100%

My question on bacon had a purpose
Do you think I should make bacon for breakfast this morning?

[G4slight]

My question on bacon had a purpose
Do you think I should make bacon for breakfast this morning?

If you have the opportunity to, and also it doesn't inconvenience you to do so, and you fail to, I think I'd move you to my scum list but yeah it's a good choice.

i think I'll do a reread in a bit. Weathers bad here so driving back in from work, and I want to take all the activity into context and see if I missed anything.

[Quick]

@Quick can you explain why you said in post (I think 14 That Unknown wasn't scum, but now you have in your reads list him being null?
I still don't understand that, I don't think its inconsistency, but it feels odd.

Any particular reasons you think he would be a bad lynch or just think Kovath is better?


Also, why the HELL AM I UP SO EARLY!?!?!?
I should go back to sleep.

Originally I was going based on the fact that Kovath said he was scum, but then I actually looked at Unknowns posts and realized it was null.

Like I explained earlier (in a bit different way) I think Unknown is the type that will sort out his alignment by itself given Town is somewhat competent. I think if Unknown is scum it will be apparent given some time. That's why I don't think they are a good lynch today where as Kovath can argue his way out of things making it difficult to lynch him based on initial impression.

[Quick]

Also, hate to detract from gameplay, but it's driving me crazy, what do the symbols mean under usernames?

Its based on post count, and some other site type stuff. I figured out that the grey little things are based on post count, but the glowy things are based on other stuff, like if you are a donator to the site and stuff.

[Unknown1234]

I will be back in 3 hours, and I will be posting how I feel on some of these posts.

Please be patient (MESK) I am busy and I cannot control that sometimes.

[Quick]

How do I ISO people on this site?

[G4slight]

-vote titus

about to gon a 4 hr dirve posting will be limited next 3 days

I already said I didn't like this, but just bringing it up again.

Why vote then? Completely pointless at that point.

Quick, ika always votes me. Him not tunnelling me is a scumclaim. I am hated in a town!ika or scum;ika trying world.

-vote Kovath

So Ika always votes Titus, when he doesn't tunnel it's a scum claim, but he always votes whether town or scum. Also the use of the word tunneling usually indicates more so interactions like what's happened with Kovath, tunneling is dangerous as it gives scum room to hide if they aren't the ones being tunneled on. It also suffocates discussion on other viable lynch targets.

4 pages.... Fun.

I'll get to this tommorw night at latest. I just areived at hotel

And this is the only other post Ika has made up to this point.

I'm comfortable moving him from null to null to scum.

[G4slight]

Also hope you enjoy my fun with quotes

[Gyrlander]

I would go for the basic most active posters are town, but since from last game Duck did talk a lot and was scum at the end, I can't say they're town.

Quick, to ISO people you have to go to Ongoing Games and click the number of posts. Then a little window will appear with the number of posts each member has posted. Click the number and you will able to read them :P

[G4slight]

Quick, ika always votes me. Him not tunnelling me is a scumclaim. I am hated in a town!ika or scum;ika trying world.

-vote Kovath

Making excuses for Ika, or giving us insight as to a little bit of interplay, either way, I've given my thoughts on the way this read to me above.

Ok, I just don't find it weird knowing our history. It's null.

Again, reaffirming Ika's stance, I tie it in with my response to the first quote.

Kovath can die now.

Hi Toothless!

At this time Kovath seemed like the popular place to vote or cast some suspicion, can be seen as an opportunistic nudge.

Kovath you are scum, because the moon says so. :-p

No reason beyond he's scum not reacting to pressure well. You need more than that?


Oh Fire, a lady never posts and tells the first day. ;)

I've already addressed this yesterday.

There is not going to be an extended period. Days last 2 IRL days.

Correcting a player's false assumption, usually a townie thing to do.

Kov, you are aware that Quick is damn near conftown right? What are your other reads?

Yeah I knew within five posts this wasn't your group scum game in Sudoken.

Again, myself and others have agreed that Quick is playing super pro town, but nowhere is he conf town.

Huh? Do you like this post or not? You're complaining about this guy fenceshitting and now you are.

Misstepped my post, usually a scum tell, but could be genuine misunderstanding, either way Titus never responded to my clarification.

Mesk is lean town.

He should join us on the town wagon of win.

I also find Mesk as null to town, but it seems like Titus is going for buddying on the loud townies that people are kind of already agreeing with, also not giving any kind of example or reason as to why.

Titus, lean scum.

[Quick]

Quick, to ISO people you have to go to Ongoing Games and click the number of posts. Then a little window will appear with the number of posts each member has posted. Click the number and you will able to read them :P

Thanks. Next question. Is there a setting I can do that gives quote in quote?

[G4slight]

I'm the fucking sexiest pikachu in the world. Now, if you excuse me, I have to go to sleep BYE

-vote Firebringer

Joke vote is null here since most people were spamming up to this point.

Oh God. Could votes be more spread?? I'll read and post in about some minutes/ hours :P

Check in fluff post, seems unnecessary to post, slight ping on the scumdar.

The person that has the most votes when the day ends gets lynched. If 51% of the people don't vote the day is skipped.

Again player correcting a misconception slight town ping.

Players that I have a read on them: Mesk - Seems a little tryhard after she got PEW PEW PEW'd. Town inspiration (kawaii)

Funce: I don't really have anything to say. He just have erratic votes and makes fun of everyone!?!??! Dumb or mafia. I'll vote him as I think he's scummy than little FireBringer :__)

-vote Funce

Can agree with the Funce vote, and I've commented on this post already. However I would like to comment on the meta reasoning, I've seen people does this other than Grylander, and I for one don't care for it, especially if a player didn't participate or follow the "last game" the logic will just kinda fall flat on them. Meta is a fine thing for a person to use to start a potential investigation or a breakdown, but shouldn't be used as evidence or reason to dismiss another persons' case.

I would go for the basic most active posters are town, but since from last game Duck did talk a lot and was scum at the end, I can't say they're town.

Quick, to ISO people you have to go to Ongoing Games and click the number of posts. Then a little window will appear with the number of posts each member has posted. Click the number and you will able to read them :P

So basically, "Active people are usually town, but a scum was active last game so I'm not sure" I am paraphrasing if I reworded that incorrectly feel free to correct me. Seems like another fluff post

Null to scum read atm.

[Gyrlander]

Thanks. Next question. Is there a setting I can do that gives quote in quote?

I guess you just have to write the [QUOTE]Lol this msg[QUOTE]Hello[./QUOTE] [./QUOTE]

Lol this msg

Hello

[Quick]

[QUOTE=Gyrlander;602241]I guess you just have to write the [QUOTE]Lol this msg

Hello[./QUOTE] [./QUOTE]

check.

Bummer. Quote in quote can be pretty freaking useful :/

[G4slight]

So without all my null to scum, scum lean, scum, null to town, town lean, town reading's I'm just going to make another more black and white list as to people who are either town/Null/Scum

TOWN

Mesk
Quick

Null

Firebringer
Grylander
Unknown
Avion
Talbo

SCUM

Kovath
Titus
Fence
Ika

[Gyrlander]

Joke vote is null here since most people were spamming up to this point.



Check in fluff post, seems unnecessary to post, slight ping on the scumdar.
ALREADY WITH THE FLUFF? Please, don't start saying everything I post is fluff, it is really annoying that people talk like that about your beautiful posts // At that time I woke up, read and said "Hey, I'm going to say something to make people know I'm here!"



Again player correcting a misconception slight town ping.
I'm a very good person ♥



Can agree with the Funce vote, and I've commented on this post already. However I would like to comment on the meta reasoning, I've seen people does this other than Grylander, and I for one don't care for it, especially if a player didn't participate or follow the "last game" the logic will just kinda fall flat on them. Meta is a fine thing for a person to use to start a potential investigation or a breakdown, but shouldn't be used as evidence or reason to dismiss another persons' case.
I haven't put Mesk into the "must be town" pile. I just said what my first impressions are. They will probably change later on.



So basically, "Active people are usually town, but a scum was active last game so I'm not sure" I am paraphrasing if I reworded that incorrectly feel free to correct me. Seems like another fluff post
LEAVE MA FLUFFF

Null to scum read atm.

Wow, I'm surprised you just did an ISO about me with only 4 posts.

[Quick]

So without all my null to scum, scum lean, scum, null to town, town lean, town reading's I'm just going to make another more black and white list as to people who are either town/Null/Scum

TOWN

Mesk
Quick

Null

Firebringer
Grylander
Unknown
Avion
Talbo

SCUM

Kovath
Titus
Fence
Ika

I am not seeing anything condemning about Ika and Titus, but this could very well be due to you not knowing the history between these people. I've played with both on a different site, so I am a little bit more willing to believe the interrelation between the two. Titus did say something that I am watching closely though. There is a reason why Titus isn't in my hard town list, but so far she is either Null or Town lean for me. I don't want to give her too much credit this early cuz I know Titus has a mean scum game. Ika is just Null right now because I can't say I see anything super sus at this point and AFAIK Ika has a pretty scummy meta.

[Gyrlander]

[QUOTE] I just wrote a quote before the "QUOTE=Quick;602 blah blah blah"[QUOTE=Quick;602242]

I guess you just have to write the

Lol this msg

check.

Bummer. Quote in quote can be pretty freaking useful :/

test 222

[Quick]

[QUOTE=Gyrlander;602246][QUOTE] I just wrote a quote before the "QUOTE=Quick;602 blah blah blah"

test 222

LOL

[Titus]

Where is the clarification I missed?

[Quick]

Where is the clarification I missed?

This looks really ambiguous even though I know its about something specific. What are you referencing?

[G4slight]

I am not seeing anything condemning about Ika and Titus, but this could very well be due to you not knowing the history between these people. I've played with both on a different site, so I am a little bit more willing to believe the interrelation between the two. Titus did say something that I am watching closely though. There is a reason why Titus isn't in my hard town list, but so far she is either Null or Town lean for me. I don't want to give her too much credit this early cuz I know Titus has a mean scum game. Ika is just Null right now because I can't say I see anything super sus at this point and AFAIK Ika has a pretty scummy meta.

I was just taking out my leanings and placing people in a more concrete category. I still stand by my null to towns and null to scums etc, but this is just a snapshot, of if I had to pick one of the solid three categories, this is where I would place people.

[Quick]

OK Town, If I am right about Kovath (which I think I am) I will likely die tonight. I haven't figured out a way to do a will yet and it is very important that I can make a will, but be aware that it could very well be changed given one of the possible Mafia roles. Almost everyone (if not everyone) who has given a read on me has said I am town. This means I have a really good chance of dying tonight. If I am right about Kovath and he doesn't get lynched today and I die tomorrow, please take a really good look at him tomorrow.

[Mesk514]

I apologize in advance that most of my posts are on my phone. I will make more posts when I am with my computer later. Also, it wasn't just GYRL, it's also AIVION and Ika.

Aivion never posted i don't think at the time, Ika said he was busy travelling... Gyrl said he was going to bed... Jesus....I'm not gonna argue why I, at the moment, keep my policy lynch on you. You haven't done anything to change my mind but say hi and bye like 5 times...it's not appropriate town behaviour to shitpost unproductive comments. Believe me, I know first hand. If you are town you better start advocating yourself properly at least while you're online, because I'm not gonna tolerate your shenanigans of popping in here and there until you can sheep yourself onto someone.

Players that I have a read on them: Mesk - Seems a little tryhard after she got PEW PEW PEW'd. Town inspiration (kawaii)

What's wrong with being a try hard? PTB is my inspiration, I learnt everything I know about trying hard from him.

I think mesk is town. I've never seen someone that bitchy as scum tbh.

Thank you

Town:
Talboturbo
Mesk514

Town lean:
Titus
Firebringer
G4slight

Null:
AIVION
Ika
Gyrlander
Unknown1234

Scum Lean:
Funce

Scum:
Kovath

this:
1-Talboturbo's scum read list could be compared to Funces plays as they both are completely fluffy and vague. Sure, he gave his opinions but his opinion was literally everyone neutral except for yourself.
2-If Funce were to give an actual read as opposed to wasting precious text post space would you reconsider?
3-It really bothers me that your argument for voting Kovath is so weak.
4-So because titus has actually said something and it was pro you she's a town lean?
5-Like Firebringer mentioned, how do you have Unknown under Null if you're going to advocate for him. You shouldn't defend someone unless you truly believe they're innocent, or atleast innocent for the moment.
6*- G4slight slides in with a list that pretty much summarizes everyones general opinion more than gives his own opinion. Thoughts?

OK Town, If I am right about Kovath (which I think I am) I will likely die tonight. I haven't figured out a way to do a will yet and it is very important that I can make a will, but be aware that it could very well be changed given one of the possible Mafia roles. Almost everyone (if not everyone) who has given a read on me has said I am town. This means I have a really good chance of dying tonight. If I am right about Kovath and he doesn't get lynched today and I die tomorrow, please take a really good look at him tomorrow.

I'm not going to argue with you whether I believe you are town or not at the moment, regardless I think you're wrong.
You're pushing a lynch on someone based on his defence 100 posts into the game even though he did produce some sort of content.

I'm not going to explain my leans as at the moment I still have questions, and I still want to see a certain interaction first & listen to the AFK people.

[Firebringer]

I really like the new Mesk.
Maybe she will make me submit to her ;)

[AIVION]

Alright, woke up recently and just got done catching up. This is where my read list lies so far from what I've seen:

Town:
Quick
G4slight
Mesk


Town lean:
Firebringer


Null:
Titus
ika
Gyrlander
Talboturbo

Scum lean:
Unknown
Kovath

Scum:
Funce
Kovath

Not liking Kovath's early interactions. His self-defense felt a bit premature and everything after that felt really fake, sort of like a scum trying to appear as town... example posts are #141 and #171. Overall it's really hard to see him actually appear town to me after what I've seen of him.

Unknown was null when I was first going through, but as soon as he started going at it with Mesk he starts to appear a bit scummy to me... example posts are #181 and #196 where he's trying to use meta to throw shade on a player who's actively scum-reading him... this is NOT a pro-town move in any sort of way.

Funce in general is just... Blargh. Nothing but Troll posts and fluff all the way through. He even actively admits he's lurking on #151... I personally feel like #110 is his worst post though... His play was inexcusable to me... No town should have to wait for people to interact with him in order to actively contribute, as he stated in #110. Nothing wrong with trying to settle into a game, but you're doing it in the worst kind of way possible.

I also want to note that I want to see more from: Gyrlander (I am happy to see you're actually gonna try and instead not sheep... *thumbs up*), Talboturbo (He reminds me of my first few FM games, and I really feel like he can really provide good insight to the town if he just tries.)

So yea, on that note:

-vote Funce

[AIVION]

On that note, I shall be on and off most of today since I have to prepare for work and have a family to take care of.

[Titus]

This looks really ambiguous even though I know its about something specific. What are you referencing?

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