S-FM 245 Which Witch is Which? - GYRLANDER -

[Soviet_Love]

Yeah fair point, he did say I was 100% town a long time ago. After my probabilities post and when I made a list of roles and eliminated some roles and said which roles we were facing.

[Distorted]

Let me think about Ozy. What happens if we get it wrong? If godfather, then we lose (unless Distorted is actually protective role and MM is the scum).

I'm also antsy about Distorted soft-claiming a protective role when we know there's a consort/cyromage, and it is natural for a scum consort to claim to be town escort/other protect.

in the mod that follows since you rolecount and can say "escort fills a confirmed protective slot so claiming protective is safe" in FM that need is not thre to claim according to what is on the rolecount list.

[Ganelon]

I don't know. Obviously, if both of you were witches - which is impossible unless one of the Citizens is lying about their role, and that Citizen is not me - you would need our input. I don't, however, believe that both of you are Witches - so at least one of you is town. If one of you is a Witch and the other is a townie - which might be possible... though not very likely... ah fuck it, I'm in favor of it. It's unlikely that you guys aren't both on the same team.

[Distorted]

But the second I pinged @Magoroth and @Noz_Bugz about being comfortable with this to hear opinions, you once again quickly jumped in to try and divert the conversation.

[Soviet_Love]

in the mod that follows since you rolecount and can say "escort fills a confirmed protective slot so claiming protective is safe" in FM that need is not thre to claim according to what is on the rolecount list.

Well, we know someone roleblocked MM (according to MM if he's telling the truth) so there has to be an escort/consort. But yeah, dog/vig/bg wouldn't necessarily fall on this.

Well I hope you're vig.

[Ganelon]

-vote OzyWho

[Ganelon]

-vote unvote

[Soviet_Love]

I'm not diverting, you were accusing me of being co-scum with Ozy im explaining myself. Idk if Ozy turns out to be scum, I wouldn't want to be lynched the following day. I'm explaining why I was posting.

[Distorted]

I'm not diverting, you were accusing me of being co-scum with Ozy im explaining myself. Idk if Ozy turns out to be scum, I wouldn't want to be lynched the following day. I'm explaining why I was posting.

Then toss the vote - let's get this moving. I just don't think you will.

[Ganelon]

-vote Soviet_Love

[Ganelon]

@Distorted , would you be ok with my tossing my vote on Ozy?

[Distorted]

@Distorted , would you be ok with my tossing my vote on Ozy?

yeah, my vote on Ozy is an intent to lynch here.

[Ganelon]

-vote OzyWho

[OzyWho]

lol, apparently I'm the top scum read now? Will have to read it tomorrow to see how the hell that happened.
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Then toss the vote - let's get this moving. I just don't think you will.

More than 25 hours still to go for Day2. Why do you have to rush things? You in a hurry?

Town is at a MyLo situation, if there is a consort like MM said.
And you want to rush a lynch?
I would even argue that abstaining is still the best move incase of massmurderer - Mag would get confirmed and, possibly, one of the TPRs.

Yet here you are, still more than 25 hours to go, rushing a lynch on a hunch.

Again, +scum points to you.

[Ganelon]

-vote unvote

[OzyWho]

lol, apparently I'm the top scum read now? Will have to read it tomorrow to see how the hell that happened.
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More than 25 hours still to go for Day2. Why do you have to rush things? You in a hurry?

Town is at a MyLo situation, if there is a consort like MM said.
And you want to rush a lynch?
I would even argue that abstaining is still the best move incase of massmurderer - Mag would get confirmed and, possibly, one of the TPRs.

Yet here you are, still more than 25 hours to go, rushing a lynch on a hunch.

Again, +scum points to you.

(meaning no possible Arsonist)

[Gyrlander]

@Soviet_Love

In case you have any problems with abbreviations such as LYLO, you can always google search "LYLO Mafia" and I 99% assure you a correct definition will pop out. For example, if you search "LYLO Mafia" this will be the first link:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...=Lynch-or-Lose

This link shows an accurate explanation of the abbreviation LYLO.

[Distorted]

lol, apparently I'm the top scum read now? Will have to read it tomorrow to see how the hell that happened.
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More than 25 hours still to go for Day2. Why do you have to rush things? You in a hurry?

Town is at a MyLo situation, if there is a consort like MM said.
And you want to rush a lynch?
I would even argue that abstaining is still the best move incase of massmurderer - Mag would get confirmed and, possibly, one of the TPRs.

Yet here you are, still more than 25 hours to go, rushing a lynch on a hunch.

Again, +scum points to you.

Yours and Soviets interactions are enough to see it. I mean there is the possibility you are bussing Noz, claiming to want to lynch him while calling for a no lynch. But the way I see it both scenarios I see as probable right now involve you as scum. and with only 1 Witch left we can easily lynch 2 people and be clear.

I mean you even said your going to bed, now your back when you hit L-1. Obviously you didnt go to bed you are just trying to get heat off you by not being here.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

first

yay

Alright, boys and girls. Can someone teach me hot to play? I never played FM before.
I will tomorrow search for a forum thread that says what players can do and how. Honestly, havent read that yet. Like how to make a night action or update the lw for example.

The TPR/Witch slip post

I'm already leaning towards lynching Magoroth for not giving a super helpful comment/reply to me.
Teach me or get voted. A simple new rule that has just been added to the game!

Would that be D1 bullshit to avoid getting paired with Magoroth? Can't tell.

I can't tell you. I don't trust you!

Idem (That means "same")

Magoroth, I apologize for my aggressive tone earlier. I was just in too high spirits when the game started. I will try to chill down a bit. And you are right - those filthy lurkers are suspicious.

Filthy lurkers at first hour of D1 lol....

Here is what I think:

Evils win no matter what IF they make town mislynch on D2.
(Obvious exception is if town lynch an evil on D1)

So as far as I can tell, we have 2 options only:
1. Lynch neither on D1 nor on D2 and hope we remain 3v2 on D3 with a lot of info to work with.
2. We lynch someone on D1 whom half players find evil, other half find him good - making our D2 lynch much easier.

If we don't lynch on D1, then we agree to not lynch on D2 either and hope that only 0-2 townies died before D3.
If we mislynch on day D1, then we lynch on D2 and evil or gg.

Of the two options that I mentioned: 2nd one can be worked around by the evils with mindgames.

I advocate we abstain for D1 and D2. Unless someone can come up with a reason why more than 2 townies could die before D3.
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I love FM lol. Every post makes me paranoid. Like this question of yours - it makes me wonder if you do that on purpose so others think that you can't possibly be a witch.
I get more and more paranoid during this FM lol
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@Marshmallow Marshall , I have procrastinated all the reading till this point. I expect myself to have read it all of FM Guides before D1 ends.

Hm. Here he comments the strategies we should adopt. He was for a no-lynch stance. FoS (Finger of Suspicion) at Distorted.

I would agree with you that D1 lynch for info is a playable strategy. Especially if we do it based on public role claims as @blinkskater said earlier. Lynch info + Role Claim info = we are gambling on finding the correct evil on D2, with, probably, high chance of success.

However, since @Soviet_Love pointed out that it's basically 50/50 wether evils will have one or none killers - I am confident that abstaining on D1 is still our best option.

If evils would have a gaurenteed killer, then going for that D1 role claim + lynch info could be worth considering. And even then it would be, probably, better to not D1 lynch at all.


Who is "we"? You and the other Witch?

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Now, having said all that. I am confident that any provocation to use VOTE on D1 should be seen as supicious activity. Not even to mention actually using VOTE. "yeh we should not vote {votes someone}" - lol?

More discussion about lynch and rolecall D1, remember D2 he didn't want to rolecall nor lynch. FoS on someone for voting someone else for pressure.

Obviously, my previous post says nothing against everyone to public role claim.
If we detect something like "either he or he is lying" - we can still go for that D1+D2 lynch.

I'm contradicting myself as a Jester.

Guys, I ask for more opinion and less lurking. I see that this page has been viewed more than 40 times since my last post, yet no comments?
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Discussion:
Should we all agree to public role claim + lynch on Day1?
We still have time for that. It will give us PLENTY of information to work with on D2.
I am, personally, against that idea. But it is definitely a viable strategy we could go for!
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Why I ask discussing this topic? Because I feel like it is the ONLY decision we could still make on D1. If not - then there is nothing but speculations for us to discuss on D1 anymore. So, unless 2-3 people want to go through with that idea, see you all in 48 hours.

Cheers.

Wants to discuss but doesn't want to stay.

Sorry, I forgot if it was mentioned before. But what's a TPR?

A thing being common doesn't make it right.
Right now your pressure voted target can delay his response just a little bit longer so you, the voter, look more suspicious. And honestly, every minute any vote stays on - the voter looks more and more suspicious to me. Just do me a favor and cancel your vote, will you? It makes me nervous af about you.

About pressure votes. He wants us to stop pressure voting. However, I then get accused of not pressuring people enough. Susp.

Would you mind posting those reasons again? They are far behind, would have to search.

The thing is - in -Mafia-, only the scum are afraid of public role calls.

Argues for a rolecall. I think he knows what he's doing actually.

Alright. @Marshmallow Marshall convinced me that D1 mass role claims is bad idea.
With less TPRs on D2 - it would all come down to some citizens trying to find the evils, who also claim citizens, just by their speaking patterns. That's a losing strategy.

So yeah. See you all in 48 hours. Because D1 lynch is a no-no too.

Sees I won't give up on D1 no lynch no rolecall stance.

@Marshmallow Marshall You are right, ofc. Since talking and discussing things is all we can do - we should do it as much as possible and milk the best out of it. However, I don't see much to discuss.

@Noz_Bugz You have the least amount of posts and you have said almost nothing in them. It's only prediction and confirmations/agreements of what others have said. Everything about you screams EVIL to me.
You have said even less than @blinkskater . And that's mighty impressive I have to say, since the only thing he has ever said is the suggestion of mass public role claim D1. It's a bad idea and I would expect better from an experienced player like him, but he had the balls to suggest something he thought was good.

Me and @Soviet_Love have very few posts too, yet we have said the most while also being the 2 newest guys here in this game, which is frustrating a bit tbh.

This is probably not a smart idea by me, but I will put it out there:
@Distorted and @Magoroth , I don't trust you guys a single bit.
Distorted, you should be the most experienced player here. Yet going through your posts and thinking "Is he a good guy? Is he trying to help town winning? Or just posting enough to stay over water?" - well, the answer to that question should be mighty obvious.
Magoroth, I know how you play SC2Maf. You are always the most impactful player, you always take charge and lead town to victory. I consider you the best player I know. Others might be more experienced but you are definetly the most impactful town-player in a positive way. And yet here? Only reason I don't claim that you have said even less than Noz_Bugz is because of your post count.


Having said all that. I realize that there might be ideas like: TPRs remaining silent to not get attention, for example. But I do not believe in that. If you townie - you help town unconditionally.

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I want everyone to post their top 3 suspects before the day ends!
Why should you? Why should you not is the better question!

Pressures Distorted to get a reaction? Strange ways, could be trying to sink him. Could also be honest. In no way he can be scum with Noz.

@Marshmallow Marshall Claims the opposite to be true. You are both experienced yet disagree on something so... basic? How did that come about? Because I doubt that one of you is lying.

When I posted that, I was posting it with the hopes that @Distorted would go full panic mode in response if I was on to something.

However, I will let that, semi-expected, post from Distorted give a pass from being a scum read just because he brought @Marshmallow Marshall to my attention. As i was completely blind to MM - him and @Soviet_Love were the only ones I was sure about not being evil. Kudos to Distorted for making me more open minded about him.

But here comes the fun part. I feel like there is something here but I just don't know what yet. Why did Distorted feel the need to paint @blinkskater as the victim that is being targetted by the scummy MM and Ozy? As far as I could tell - I was commenting on what and how much everyone was posting and from the 4 players that I painted in a negative picture, blinks picture was the cleanest one. Whilst MM was questioning blinks decision to ask for mass role claims, which was already discussed by then to be bad. Is Distorted overprotecting blink? Because it felt unncessary.

I don't think by any means that possible evils could be both Blink+Distorted, because first of all - that would mean I give a pass to both: @Magoroth and @Noz_Bugz , which I can't. One of them has to be evil for sure. I'm leaning more towards Distorted distracting Town from one of them.

I know I'm contradicting myself about Distorted in this post, but it's because I respond to a very very large post of his.

Here comes the strange painting of me as scum. He distorted Distorted's words. Distorted then confirmed he hadn't accused me at all. Magoroth got in the "Marsh is scum!" weird thing.

@Distorted , @Marshmallow Marshall
Sorry, it seems I did a literal misread. I don't know why but a few of Distorted sentences where @Magoroth was mentioned, in my memeory it was MM instead. An example - where Distorted said that it looks like me and Mag are teaming up to paint @blinkskater as scummy, I remember it being MM not Mag in that sentence when I read it.
Reading through it a bit: I think I did more than just 2-3 literal misreads. I even can't find sentences that are in my memory as if I had read them. Idk how that happend.
Try to not get tilted or biased because of it. It happens to me in SC2Maf all the time. Though there it's more about me missing out a lot of stuff that was in the chat.

I will later re-read some of this thread and will probably give my final thoughts about things before the days end.

As of now, @Soviet_Love is the only confirmed townie in my eyes and here is my reasoning for it:
He has delivered the only concrete thing that town had to work with - math numbers about role possibilities and list of possible Witch roles with comments.

Almost everything else in this thread has been nothing but speculation. If this day would last 72 hours, I think that by the days end - people who give the weakest reasonings would seem like the evilest, just because all we do is find faults in peoples arguments and base our judgements on that. Which is normal I guess, since there is nothing more to work with. Give a false argument with a left out reasoning - 100 posts later it could snowball to a mislynch.

Let me ask something concrete. There is one none-killing witch role that I am scared of because Idk what to do if it shows up. I'm talking about Telepath (Judge). What do we do if it shows up D2? Let me address this question to @Noz_Bugz . I want to see something from him and get to know him better by just a scrap.

Now gets his words back, but him and Magoroth still act as if I was scummy... Asks for more from Noz, asks about Judge. Townreads SL as does everyone at this moment.

In the final few hours, you want to start a theory discussion about a scenario that has only 9% chance to occur and which has several different combinations and outcomes possible? I don't even..


Are you serious? Like actually serious serious? I wish you posted that question 40 hours ago. But I can't take it serious at this moment, especially since you are the math guy here who did calculations earlier and now you ask others to, so you are obviously trolling or something along those lines.

For the record. If it actually does turn out that there are 0 killing roles for the evils - Soviet_Love will be amongst my top suspects.
Why? Because in such a scenario - only way for evils to win would be by gaining town trust as much as possible and lynching real townies.

I'm not saying I think Soviet_Love is evil because he is so heavily pro-town. What I'm saying is - I will think he is evil if it turns out there are 0 evil killers because he is so heavily pro-town.

FoS on SL.

On a serious note - about all role combination possibilities: I think it's practical to assume both TPRs will be able to figure what they should do during the night. We cant serious discuss like what? 100+ combinations? idk. Thats just not practical.

Can I see a quote where I did that? I know I pointed out that blink has only advised to mass role claim. But thats the only thing i remember. And in that post - of the 4 people i pictured scummy, he was the least one. In fackt - you were above him. And where did this Ozy following Magoth shit come from? If there was anyone I followed then it was MM. MM questioned blinks decision to advise mass role claim after it was already discussed to be a bad idea. And I agreed. Where does this shit Ozy+Magoroth come from? I already apologised i did a literal misread, did you miss it? Did you forget it? I ask you to now apolgise for your misread or however that idea of yours come by.

I can't just believe you are serious atm... Are you painting a target? But then - you should realise that others would read past it and see that what you said was bullshit.

The "misread" was pursued. It probably wasn't a simple misread, that or you used the misread to push me further since I was already half painted.

I did neither directly address MM nor Magor. Can you show me where I addressed MM?



I did bait you in the hopes that I would hit a nerve, you would go panic mode, and I could get a scumread on you.
I do not do such tactic to anyone else, except Soviet just few minutes ago it feels.
I have no clue what Magoroth thing you talked about. I noticed he paniced, yes. Was I supposed to say something?

Um, technically yes you were, since you say you did the same thing to Distorted and Mag if they were to panic.

You realize that was me talking about the general idea of using -vote, right?
"Your vote, for example" is just it, an example.
Why I ask him to cancel his vote? What do you think? Did I perhaps try and stop lynch and vote happy players from using -vote because a D1 lynch is bad? Maybe?


I say "I saw him panic", you say "if you dont know what im talking about". Cmoon..

Get him away from me. I don't like being misunderstood. (Talking about Distorted ofc)

I was talking directly to MM not Mag. gtfo you scum.

You are right about the action, not about the meaning.
You assume I defend myself because you are right. But I defend myself because you are wrong. The meaning not action.

So, you see something, make an assumption, i defend myself because it's wrong, you assume because it's right. Is that it?

Let me ask you something. How sure are you about you being right? Can we just agree to disagree and you stop annoying me with bullshit?

@Distorted
You still haven't elaborated on your "Ozy+Mag painting Blink as Scum" claim.

True. @Distorted , what was that please?

@Distorted
Alright. I'm sorry. I didn't remember I adressed MM directly. As in my mind, I was conveying my thoughts about using -vote so that was all I remembered. But I did. You said it, i called it bs, you proved me wrong, I explain you misunderstood the meaning.
And now we are here, you being, probably, tilted about "OMG why did we have to get through all this?".

I am sorry I put you through all of it. But the point remains - you see false meaning in my action to adress MM not Mag.
I can't prove you wrong. So I think i'm moving on now unless I see another lie about me come about.

Explains and bows before Distorted about my painting...

Jeezus fuck man. We are discussing like 2 topics at once, this is a fucking rodeo.

As someone replied: welcome to FM!

I'm pretty fucking sure I adressed it by now. My post about explaining why im against using -vote, it was meant to be as a general thing. MM just happend to be whom im addressing because i dont remember why. We probably were discussing that topic or I was replying to him with my views of things after he said something?

Distorted, do me a favor. Don't address me anymore for the reminder of this day.

MM happened to be pressuring people, you said that was wrong, then you said he should pressure more. Right?

I remember you asked me in the last few minutes to reply to that 19x post. x is some number i dont remember. Neither am i sure if you asked. But i thought you did, so i did.

@Gyrlander Can I change my role to Silencer(Blackmailer) to blackmail Distorted for next day?

XD

YOU POST FASTER THAN RABBITS FUCK!

We are both at fault here though. I could have checked more into what you were referring to while you could have saved me the trouble.
Early elaboration or 100+posts because misunderstandings (or are there? ). Lesson fucking learned. I won't rely on my memory ever again.

That would require you to pay the amount of 10000$.

He's not that rich ;)

So there is a chance...

Ahh fuck it. Only 2 hours remain till Day1 ends. I will just post my opinions about everyone and be done with Day1, hopefully.
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@Magoroth , only one I am confident is evil. Would take mighty convincing to make me think otherwise.
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@Distorted and @Soviet_Love
only two I am very sure they are town.
HOWEVER:
If Distorted gets Blackmailed Day2, he is an acting scum.
If there are 0 killers, then Soviet is on my suspect list.
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@blinkskater , neutral. My opinion on him will depend on what N1/D2 brings. If evils have strong roles, blink is on my suspect list. If evils have weak roles, he is innocent.
(just because if evils depend on lynches then a Day1 inactive townie shouldn't be evil in my eyes)
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@Noz_Bugz and @Marshmallow Marshall
I lean both of them more towards scummy than towny.
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So basically - all of you are scum in my eyes. Nothing personal.

Lol. So he reads Mag as scummiest of us all. But since the no lynch D1 stance was adopted, it could've been a plan to get him NS. The famous NS sheriff feedback could also be to paint Mag as a target post-mortem.

I am in favor of that because of posts: #240, #244.
He might have homework, but it's no excuse imo.

I would much rather we vote Mag though. As I am more confident that he is evil than Noz. If people could get up a vote for that in this remaining time, I would +1 that. If not, then Noz it is.

post #244 because time is almost over and he still gave no reply which he promised some hours ago

Noz is scum #1 in most players eyes, we vote him if judge Day2.
MM nothing in fnal ~10+ hours of the day even though saw his name here in online list.
Mag is scummy scummy
Soviet and Distorted are townie townie
Ozy and Distorted are not friends
Idk what else.



Also, I change my stance on MM from him being scummy scummy to him being townie townie.

Great. I'm neutral in most players eyes.
Mag sees me as most-townie-like, which is great.... too bad he is the most scummy-like for me though...

I will miss you, Distorted.
And don't you fake being blackmailed on Day2!

I don't mind. As long as you don't talk lies about me!

Well.. damn. Was kinda hoping we would get lucky and Witches get 0 killers.
Now this puts us under MyLo pressure.

Alright, first off - if we abstain today, what are the chances we auto lose? In other words, what are the chances that a 2nd killer will show up on the 2nd night?
If the answer is impossible - can we agree to not lynch today unless absolute certainty?

And now you are dead? This is bloody convenient for me!


I have played SC2Maf. 12k points now there.

WIFOM hard? Hm. (WIFOM = Wine In Front Of Me, go on youtube and type "Wine in front of me the princess bride", you'll understand)

@Noz_Bugz Already did the math on Day1. At least he said 9% for two killers. I think we can almost safely say that no 2nd killer. I really rather we don't lynch today. Even putting someone on T-2 or what its called - that could be gamethrow because of our MyLo situation.

It's L-2, lol. And that would be stupid not to lynch, because putting anyone at L-2 on D3 (Aka simply voting someone) would be throwing, so it's even worse...

Obviously, I'm joking about this. I was really hoping that the Witches would get 0 killers..

Alright.
How do we make a list of suspects?
What clues did we get on Day1?
What are we doing now?

Ah, the famous "Any leads?" we all know on the mod...

I know there are five players that are not me. 2 of them are evil. 40% to random lynch an evil. Not good enough

Was blink killed by an MM and not GF? That's pretty good news tbh. Means it's near impossible for more than one townie die next night!!!

You're right. My mistake.

GOOD! Sorry, but it's great! That ACTUALLY MEANS THAT NEXT NIGHT 0 TOWNIE DEATHS!!!
If, of course, it was MM and not GF who attacked last night. Or a vigi...

I thought for a second that evils might also try to lie about being rbed or silenced or whatnot to get us off the track. But in this situation, i think lying about being rbed would have no benefits for them.

"blinkskater was disintegrated during the night" Does that word not imply MM kill?

Upon investigation, blinkskater's LW was found:

"I think you all can trust Distorted, I wouldn't trust Ozzy, Mag, MM... I'd be willing to bet 100$ USD that one of them is scum."

Blink's LW.

I remember some talking on Day1 saying that Blink is an expert player. They said something about him soloing last game as evil.
Which in my book means that one of the Scums fears his skill or something?
But there is still MM and Distorted here. I think evil might fear some kind of protectives on them.
Also, Blink saw me as scummy - his death makes me suspicious now.

That's about last game he was arson and won.

Thinking about it, I feel like his death makes sense kinda.

Why? Elaborate, scummy post. I have my idea on it and posted it, but you might not remember it so say why you think his death makes sense?

All Blinks messages

A nice compilation

Ok, I have to ask now. What does EoD mean?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...egory:Glossary
There is nothing that starts with E besides Endgame in the mafia dictionary..

Read the fucking descriptions I put after each FM word...

Don't be so hasty. First let us hear from everyone. First hour of Day1 is not the time to make such decisions.

Why am I so much against it? Because:
DO WE AGREE THAT DAY2 LYNCH IS BAD IDEA?
I think we do? Because tommorow either we are still 3v2 or even 4v2 if MM. More info tommorow.

You are trying to say we agree while we're saying we don't...

If we agree that Day2 lynch is a bad idea, then we agree that a Day2 mass role claim is a bad idea.
MM is smarter than that. + scum points to MM

UHm??? Logical fallacy? Painting?

I don't understand. Why? They would die N1, wouldn't they? So what's the point?

I will go now. Will be back in like 7-12 hours perhaps.
I want to make one thing clear before I go. I want we all to agree on a simple matter:
mention=29377]Marshmallow Marshall, @Distorted , @Soviet_Love , @Noz_Bugz , @Magoroth .
Do we agree that Day2 lynch is a bad idea? Do we agree that Day2 mass role claim is bad idea?(given that we agree on no Day2 lynch)

No we don't!!!! Damn lol

+999
That info is super valuable. It kinda changes everything in my mind.
Because of this and your Day1 math thing - you are confirmed townie in my eyes.
Which is why I will come forward now.

My role: Inquisition (Sheriff)
My N1 action: Checked @Magoroth and he was Not Suspicious. (I did not believe it at first)

This means that out of 6 players - 3 are confirmed in my eyes.

It is possible I was Witched. Chances are low of that. @Soviet_Love might just calculate how low if he is bored.

I thought for a second of the possibility that @Marshmallow Marshall Witched me and lied about being role blocked, since he suspected me of being a TPR since post #4. But he is one of the 3 possible suspects anyway.

I am 90% certain that 2 out of these 3 players are Witches:
@Marshmallow Marshall , @Noz_Bugz , @Distorted .

I call for mass role claim!

I’m am sorry @Magoroth and @Soviet_Love . I know it would be, possibly, easier to figure out who is evil if I waited and revealed last. But the fact of the matter is - Soviets posts changed everything in my mind, so I couldn’t fall asleep. Now I can go sleep!!!!!

See you all in 5-10hours.

THAT POST. After that, the interactions between Mag and Ozy became weird and suddenly friendly... Accusations stopped happening between them. I understand Ozy not accusing Mag, but vice versa? No.

DUCK YOU IN YOUR RABBIT HOLE!
Because this changes AGAIN everything!
I wish I read your post before revealing everything about me...

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/misc.p...posted&t=41859

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I see not much has happened in the last ~10 hours.
I guess I will say where I stand with things since I see nothing else to talk yet.

@Magoroth
Considering everything being random: 40% chance I hit a scum and 25% of that 40% that the scum was GF. Additional 2.2% chanced that I was witched. It's only 12.2% chance that Mag is a scum.
I am not going to complicate my life on a 12.2% chance. Mag stays confirmed townie in my eyes.
However, Mag is not very helpful for town in comparison to Soviet or Distorted.

@Soviet_Love
If Soviet is a scum - he deserves this win. I am not complicating things on the off chance that Soviet might be a scum.I don't think anyone could possibly think that he is not a townie.

If anyone besides Mag and Soviet claims citizen - I vote him up.


@Noz_Bugz
If this was SC2Maf and he was a townie: I would consider his playstyle (Not even claiming when so close to being lynched) a gamethrow. Which is why I have this idea, that perhaps the host would have replaced him if he was a townie?

@Marshmallow Marshall and @Distorted
Well, Distorted has definitely posted more useful information and ideas. However, him not claiming 12 hours ago when he was here after my post - that makes him a little bit suspicious. He mentioned he has a bbq, but if he had time to post then he had time to claim.
MM - I don’t think he has posted much in the way of useful information or ideas for town, while having the most posts of all. He helps players and posts some general questions that town needs to think about. But to me - that’s not enough to not be suspicious. Distorted and Soviet are trying to move town forward, at least I can FEEL their involvement. Can’t say the same about MM.
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Should we lynch today?
I think that our best play is to abstain again, however - I can’t see much reason not to lynch Noz.
We need 4 votes to lynch and as active as we are - I honestly do think we might not get those 4 votes if we decided to lynch.

When we lynch?
In 20 hours.

Whom we lynch?
Noz or MM.

Judge discussion? Nah - no Judge yet so no Judge ever.
Would no kill Night 2 prove that the killer was MM and therefore Mag is confirmed as not GF? Yes, because if we lynch evil today and no kill at night, we would not be at MyLo, which is bad for Scums.

Don’t know what else to say.
Hurry up people. Start to claim roles! Prolonging it only makes you more suspicious.

He actually did that on Noz. However, he's clearly having a big lynch agenda.

MM in this context was meant to mean MassMurderer...

@Distorted , you are the people person while Soviet is the math guy.
Can you tell what you think of post #49?
Because I have that itching feeling that a real town would keep it to himself and his last will.

-vote Noz_Bugz

You are forgetting about Escort possibility.

Assuming MM didn't lie about being role blocked - we can assume that Distorted is either Escort or Consort.

I find it curious that Mag is your #2 suspect given how rational you are.
As I see it - 12.2% chance that Mag is evil
40% (2 out of 5) that I checked a Scum.
1 in 4 possibility that that scum was GF.
+2.2%, which you calculated, that I was witched.
12.2%

@Soviet_Love , if we happen to lynch a mass murderer today - can the other witch kill on Night2? (since he wasn't the one that killed last night)
If so, is it worth considering me not checking anyone at night so 2 townies don’t die?


@Magoroth , no. And for the record - you will become my prime suspect if Distorted claims citizen.

Exactly. And from my standpoint - it's still ~10% that Mag is evil. And since I would bet my life on you being a townie - it's 90% of me that Noz is Scum.

And that's why - my vote won't change today. I rather we abstain today than lynch anyone other than Noz.
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This is true if we speak about SC2Maf. But if we speak about this FM game in particular - feel free to check post #183 again, what I said about him. I also only complimented Distorted and Soviet so far for good play. I'm sure I might have bmed everyone else.You have a reasonable assumption, but if you check this game so far - idk how you could possibly thing that it's my opinion about Mag. If he is town - he is the most useless, unless Noz is town.

I can only remember Mag reapeating on both - Day1 and Day2, that he sees me as the most confirmed townie. Are you certain that there were any accusations to stop to begin with? +scum points to you.
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Really? What accusations are you guys talking about? First I thought Distorted is trying something, but now you agree?

Also, about your comment me being unreadable or whatever. I think some of my posts in this thread were the most agressives ones in it. + I change my opinions often. I think peoples emotional response to me clouds their better judgement.

You don't change your opinions on lynches very much, actually. You seem to have a plan, an agenda.

Ahh, feels bad man. Whats the point of directing questions to someone with the MENTION tag, if they don't respond?
Fucking monologues all game long?
@Distorted , I asked you about your opniion on post #49, because I think a real townie would have no reason to post it, but keep it in his last will and memory for later.
@Soviet_Love , I asked you something about if we lynch a mass murderer, i dont remember what.

I think its not the first or the 2nd time people ignore questions i direct to them. It's frustrating. Monologues and statements only...

More painting...

@Noz_Bugz not giving his thoughts on my question to him at the end of Day1 still annoys me, when I asked what we do if judge day2. He even promised

Yeah @Noz_Bugz get your ass here

Alright, so we have two groups of citizens and two groups of TPRs - one player in each group is a scum.

For all I care - the citizen group is the easier one. Don't see how we could possibly lynch anyone other than Noz from that group.

As a TPR (if you are really one), you should think the TPR group is the easiest one, no? Since you know you are not scum? Slip much?

Just ask now, because if it hasn't happend, whatever it is, it won't. My mind on citizens is clear, while TPRs its a literal 50/50. I don't like taking chances.
So my mind won't change so easily, while I also won't reread stuff. At least not the next ~12 hours for sure. And as far as I can think - I have said everything I can.

I'm in a "Today citizen group, tommorow TPR group" mind. I really am not in mood to think which one of you two is the devil when we can postpone it to tommorow. Way too tired for that. If you guys want to discuss it today, be my guest.

But why is "and noz at that" a thing?
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Where you see 33%, I see 90%.

Ohh. Your thoughts about Soviet? You can be skeptical about everything. I for one already said - I am not complicating things on the off-chance that soviet or mog might be evil. I'm just going with it that they are not. I dont see it worth thinking about every miniscule possibility out there.

I might make another that kind of post tomorrow. Definitely not today.
As far as I can remember - I'm certain I have done the most "this is what i think of everyone and everything" posts. Only you might have more. So go read one of those - chances are my opinions haven't changed much.

It doesn't matter really anymore. But the question was:
If we happen to lynch a mass murderer today - will the other witch be able to kill on Night2? Given that the other witch is not the one who killed on Night1.
If yes then could it be worth considering me not visitng anyone on Night2 so no possible double-kill?

The question popped in my mind at that moment when I asked and I directed it to you because you were posting a lot at that time. Really don't care much about it anymore. I was just trying to describe how frustrating it is that people don't respond

Witch Power Core Clause. Read the setup.

I wish I actually was evil LOL. Great strategy by me!

WIFOM

I really do feel like I answered you already.

1) it's not 33%, but 90% from my perspective.
2) I don't want to think about the TPR group at all, today. It's just not worth it. I don't believe we can figure out between Distorted and MM without Night2 action - so I won't submit any energy to that hopeless cause. Lazy=Evil, let it be heard!

Logical fallacy.

OMG, IF WE LYNCH A TPR TODAY, PLEASE LET IT BE ME, THAT MEANS YOU ALL SEE ME AS A GOOD PLAYER!!!!
I don't mind thinking that we both scums also. That would be a respectable strategy too considering town is at Misslyinch and Lose scenario. But then - me being the only one advocating to perhaps abstain, doesn't make a lot of sense. I wouldn't do that if its against my strategy

@Magoroth , @Soviet_Love , @Noz_Bugz , @Marshmallow Marshall , @Distorted

Welcome to my humble abode!
Sit down, sons, and let me tell you a story.

This story based on a claim that a player named Marshmallow Marshall did.
What was it, Ozy, you ask? What did he claim and gives us a clue?
Well, my children. He claimed that he was role blocked and that he is a TPR. Yes, that is correct - he did that.
But Ozy, you ask, what about it?

Well, let us think both scenarios through for a second, ok?

If he WAS roleblocked, then that would mean he is confirmed TPR, since no escort would lie about things. Which then means that Distorted is evil! And who is Distorted’s allie? WELL NOZ OFCOURSE!
If he WASN’T roleblocked, then that means that he is confirmed SCUM and thus Distorted is the good guy. But who is Marshmallow Marshalls allie, you ask? WELL NOZ OF COURSE!

So, children, please. Let us get here together tonight to burn Noz to ashes!

Excluding the obvious Consort possibility in order to get Noz "to ashes!"

Are you a madman? We can't figure out who is the liar TPR - you or MM, without another night.
We are at MyLo scenario - so why risk a lynch?
If we lynch anyone, then it should be one of the citizen group - Noz. For all I care - he is confirmed scum.

Wtf are you on about?
Whatever, leave me alone. Won't vote you, but will check you N2. This seems scummy af from you.

You are seriously annoying me man. HOW MANY MORE TIMES WILL YOU RE-ASK ME A QUESTION THAT I ANSWERED YOU?

2nd or 3rd time in 1-2 hours. wtf man. I answered it you already.

You should reread day2 from the start. You got something wrong somewhere..
Day1 - i'm for abstaining 100% of the day.
Day2- i'm for abstaining and for no role claim at start, then for role claim and neutral on lynch/abstain, then for and against abstaining/lynching - on and off.
You see me wanting to lynch before the rolecall? Where? Enligten me, plz.

You legit didn't want to lynch NOR to rolecall.

Not wanting to role claim is not wanting to talk about things?
Well let me ask you something: does it make sense? A sheriff who didn't find anything N1 not wanting to roleclaim so he can investigate again?
Or that he supports roleclaiming the moment when in his eyes one other townie is confirmed, leaving 2 out of 3 suspects to be evil?

You claim i didn't want to discuss anything before roleclaiming.
@Magoroth , @Soviet_Love , Noz_Bugz[/mention,
@Marshmallow Marshall - does anyone else agree on that claim of his?

@Distorted , what is your problem with me exactly?

A Mason Leader getting RB'd would want to remain hidden so he could invest again, too. But I thought it was more pro-town to reveal so we can decide of a lynch.

I want to make one point before I call it a night. Let's see if we all can agree on it.

@Distorted , if you feel that soviet might be evil of the Citizen group, then can we agree to abstain for Day2 to be safe?
Because I won't lynch anyone from TPR group - another night is needed for it.
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@Magoroth , @Soviet_Love @Noz_Bugz , @Marshmallow Marshall
Can we agree to Abstain for Day2 and hope there is no Arsonist+GF witch duo? Because I think we can't find the evil TPR claim, while Distorted thinks that Noz might not be the evil citizen claim.
There is no need to lynch Day2 if we are uncertain!

I feel like you just want to live lol

We will lose a townie, yes (IF its GF).
However - one mislynch and we lose.
So I ask you this: Would you rather gambit a lynch today or tommorow? Could you possibly tommorow have LESS info than today? I think not. If we find evil today and are certain - I'm all for a lynch. But if we are uncertain - I'm against it.
You say we we won't be more certain tommorow than today.
I say we won't be less certain tommorow than today.
Nothing to lose, only to gain

Being blind to the townie loss?

-vote unvote

I rather LyLo where we are even by 1% more certain on whom to lynch than MyLo where we gamble.

The thing is - imagine if the killer is MM and not GF. The consort can't role block both - me and you. So either you will be confirmed or I will find an evil/good guy. It's a huge victory for the good guys in that case.


About me saying all my reads about people - I will, probably, do it tommorow. As I have many times in this game already. Day1 and early Day2 I have definetly done it more than anyone, except maybe Distorted. So don't worry about it. But now - I'm really fucking tired guys.

That doesn't mean you or me ain't lying about being TPRs. This strategy doesn't work.



ISO DONE.

Conclusion: Ozy has weird interactions since D2 with Magoroth. He posted scummy things and has an agenda. He really makes efforts to look pro-town. He kept painting me since the last hours of D1. I would agree on an OzyWho lynch today, I'm even more convinced than before doing the ISO.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

True.

-vote OzyWho

A pressure vote on you, I want to hear a list of reads from you and I want the reason why you don't want to lynch today. It's a bad idea.

Now with intent to lynch.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Whats a LYLO MYLO BYLO GYLO PYLO DYLO TYLO WYLO?

READ THE DEFINITIONS I PUT NEXT TO EACH WORD YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Mag stop shitvoting lol

[Ganelon]

Could someone tell Noz to get o'er here and see what his stance is? I'm in favour of lynching... I apologize to @Marshmallow Marshall for all the bullshit I spew. I was an utter idiot - I am guilty of not reading all the posts you guys did.

[Distorted]

My vote is here with full intent to lynch. He was just on L-1 with everyone but MM online (and MMs vote was on him) and he didn't get lynched. that to me is enough to call it.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

My vote is here with full intent to lynch. He was just on L-1 with everyone but MM online (and MMs vote was on him) and he didn't get lynched. that to me is enough to call it.

WAIT WHAT?! GET HIS HEAAAAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ganelon]

-vote OzyWho

[Ganelon]

Intent to Lynch, obviously.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Warning you all: the other witch might be tempted to hammer since the lynch has been decided. Do NOT see the hammerer as confirmed because he hammered.

[Ganelon]

True.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Also, read my big wallpost while you got nothing to do tonight and reply to it tomorrow!

[Ganelon]

It's 6 PM there, Noz should be back from School/ W/E/... tell him to get his ass here.

[Soviet_Love]

Then toss the vote - let's get this moving. I just don't think you will.

I'm not gonna toss in a vote when I'm not convinced. wtf. We still have like 20 hours

[Marshmallow Marshall]

lol, apparently I'm the top scum read now? Will have to read it tomorrow to see how the hell that happened.
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More than 25 hours still to go for Day2. Why do you have to rush things? You in a hurry?

Town is at a MyLo situation, if there is a consort like MM said.
And you want to rush a lynch?
I would even argue that abstaining is still the best move incase of massmurderer - Mag would get confirmed and, possibly, one of the TPRs.

Yet here you are, still more than 25 hours to go, rushing a lynch on a hunch.

Again, +scum points to you.

Slip. If you were town, there would be no tomorrow to be. So you know there will be a tomorrow, so you're scum. ^^

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I'm not gonna toss in a vote when I'm not convinced. wtf. We still have like 20 hours

Well, read my wallpost

[Distorted]

@Soviet_Love He was just at L-1 for 5 minutes or so with EVERYONE online. absolutely no way he was not hammered if he was town. Noz got off a few minutes after magoroth removed his vote, then you went off for about 10 mins or so. So if you seirously are town then noz would be the other 1 and he was bussing him knowing there "no lynch" was the goal for today.

[Distorted]

or the possibility that Ozy and magoroth have been playing a very well coordinated game, but risky since magoroth is now in favor of it, meaning magoroth would have to literally solo run the game to 1v1 in his first FM.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

And now Im pretty much confused because of my wall post. After a re-read of it, I think Ozy and Magoroth can't be scum together, and I'm convinced of Ozy being scum. So would Noz really be scum...? @Noz_Bugz GET YOUR FAT ASS ON HERE OR YOU DIE TOMORROW

[Ganelon]

I would like to add something in support of a Lynch.
In a setup of this kind, with very few players and a Town-Evil ratio that heavily favours the Witches, Evils are tempted to claim an investigative role for a number of reasons.
1. It allows them to push their agenda while appearing to be pro-town.
2. They don't need to be confirmed for more than one day; one mislynch today means we are bound to lose.
3. Buddying people ('I checked Magoroth, the guy everyone wanted to Lynch; hooray he's not suspicious, let's be friends')

A much, much more powerful and more difficult role to fake would've been that of Detective. Sheriff is, as @Distorted said, a cheap claim - the Witches would know everyone's alignment, given that there are no framers or millers in the game.

[Distorted]

And now Im pretty much confused because of my wall post. After a re-read of it, I think Ozy and Magoroth can't be scum together, and I'm convinced of Ozy being scum. So would Noz really be scum...? @Noz_Bugz GET YOUR FAT ASS ON HERE OR YOU DIE TOMORROW

only possible explinations I see is Soviet (most probable) or he was bussing Noz gunning on us all agreeing to a "no lynch".

If soviet hammers Ozy, im in favor of going for Noz first. If Soviet doenst hammer, then it is clear as day.

But the L-1 scenario is all i needed to see from all of this.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I would like to add something in support of a Lynch.
In a setup of this kind, with very few players and a Town-Evil ratio that heavily favours the Witches, Evils are tempted to claim an investigative role for a number of reasons.
1. It allows them to push their agenda while appearing to be pro-town.
2. They don't need to be confirmed for more than one day; one mislynch today means we are bound to lose.
3. Buddying people ('I checked Magoroth, the guy everyone wanted to Lynch; hooray he's not suspicious, let's be friends')

A much, much more powerful and more difficult role to fake would've been that of Detective. Sheriff is, as @Distorted said, a cheap claim - the Witches would know everyone's alignment, given that there are no framers or millers in the game.

True. And the big buddying seemed too obvious when he started it.

[Ganelon]

only possible explinations I see is Soviet (most probable) or he was bussing Noz gunning on us all agreeing to a "no lynch".

If soviet hammers Ozy, im in favor of going for Noz first. If Soviet doenst hammer, then it is clear as day.

But the L-1 scenario is all i needed to see from all of this.

+1

[Distorted]

@Soviet_Love Actually - this also will confirms another town claim. I can stay on MM so they HAVE to hit me or not kill (if they wanted to RB) meaning MM can recruit you tonight soviet if you are town.

[Ganelon]

Recruit me please

[Ganelon]

Just kidding. Recruit Soviet, process of elimination.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@Soviet_Love Actually - this also will confirms another town claim. I can stay on MM so they HAVE to hit me or not kill (if they wanted to RB) meaning MM can recruit you tonight soviet if you are town.

Wait, that's true! If we can do that, then the witches are fucked xD

Recruit me please

Naw recruiting Soviet lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Just kidding. Recruit Soviet, process of elimination.

Ah k :P

[Ganelon]

Well... I doubt Noz's gonna come here anytime soon... I'm going to go for now. Bye.

[OzyWho]

I figure, better to give my opinions on people before I’m lynched so no regrets. I honestly hope I wake up tomorrow and im lynched or replaced.

@Distorted
My top scumread.
He does NOT search for the truth.
He paints people as scum, nothing else.
He turns every sentence, every action, every inaction - into a scum motive or [i]scum read[i]. Read through his messages and you will see what I’m talking about.
In forum mafia - every action or sentence can be explained with a possible scum-motive. This is what Distorted does with almost everything.
Offense is the best defense is this guys moto. 3 times now, as far as i can count.
After my big Day1 post when I called him out as scummy.
Today after noz was under pressure - Distorted started to scum-paint everyone and everything.
Day1, ok this is not offense, but day1 he too softly defended noz.
Read through Distorted posts and you will see that he scum-paints EVERYTHING

@Noz_Bugz
This player is inactive so all my opinions are based on his citizen claim, other players who claimed citizen, and the fact that Distorted went super-agro once Noz got under pressure.
I see Noz+Distorted as potential scum team.
I’m 90% sure that Noz is scum.

@Magoroth
This player has no backbone whatsoever. A sheep if I ever seen one. Definitely no agenda, just following people around.
But, however, I did check him and he did came up as Not Suspicious. For all I care - it’s 10% that he is GF scum, so he is citizen in my eyes.

@Soviet_Love
Most pro-town player around. Gives out best plays for town so town has highest chance to win. The fact that he doesn’t read peoples [i]agendas]/i] doesn’t mean he is a scum, unlike how Distorted tried to paint him.

@Marshmallow Marshall
I have still no clue about this player. However - the most scummy play I have seen from him is wanting to lynch on day2, even when more than 20 hours still available. That just can’t be best move for town.
He does seem to have gotten biased since late-day1 where he got called scummy.
I feel like he is highly opinionated, so him going for a lynch when he believe it’s correct, I don’t see it as a scum read just yet tbh.

3 players I would be glad to make on Day2:
Abstain
Lynch Noz
Lynch Distorted

Either of those options I’m ok with.

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God fucking damnit, guys! Will you let me go to sleep already? Jeeezus, when I say I'm tired, that's the best time to go offensive on me, is that right, Distorted?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I figure, better to give my opinions on people before I’m lynched so no regrets. I honestly hope I wake up tomorrow and im lynched or replaced.

@Distorted
My top scumread.
He does NOT search for the truth.
He paints people as scum, nothing else.
He turns every sentence, every action, every inaction - into a scum motive or [i]scum read[i]. Read through his messages and you will see what I’m talking about.
In forum mafia - every action or sentence can be explained with a possible scum-motive. This is what Distorted does with almost everything.
Offense is the best defense is this guys moto. 3 times now, as far as i can count.
After my big Day1 post when I called him out as scummy.
Today after noz was under pressure - Distorted started to scum-paint everyone and everything.
Day1, ok this is not offense, but day1 he too softly defended noz.
Read through Distorted posts and you will see that he scum-paints EVERYTHING

@Noz_Bugz
This player is inactive so all my opinions are based on his citizen claim, other players who claimed citizen, and the fact that Distorted went super-agro once Noz got under pressure.
I see Noz+Distorted as potential scum team.
I’m 90% sure that Noz is scum.

@Magoroth
This player has no backbone whatsoever. A sheep if I ever seen one. Definitely no agenda, just following people around.
But, however, I did check him and he did came up as Not Suspicious. For all I care - it’s 10% that he is GF scum, so he is citizen in my eyes.

@Soviet_Love
Most pro-town player around. Gives out best plays for town so town has highest chance to win. The fact that he doesn’t read peoples [i]agendas]/i] doesn’t mean he is a scum, unlike how Distorted tried to paint him.

@Marshmallow Marshall
I have still no clue about this player. However - the most scummy play I have seen from him is wanting to lynch on day2, even when more than 20 hours still available. That just can’t be best move for town.
He does seem to have gotten biased since late-day1 where he got called scummy.
I feel like he is highly opinionated, so him going for a lynch when he believe it’s correct, I don’t see it as a scum read just yet tbh.

3 players I would be glad to make on Day2:
Abstain
Lynch Noz
Lynch Distorted

Either of those options I’m ok with.

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God fucking damnit, guys! Will you let me go to sleep already? Jeeezus, when I say I'm tired, that's the best time to go offensive on me, is that right, Distorted?

Pffs. I agree though, we could still use the time we got before EoD before lynching his ass. However, HE MUST be lynched TODAY.

[OzyWho]

yeah, my vote on Ozy is an intent to lynch here.

Then toss the vote - let's get this moving. I just don't think you will.

Now with intent to lynch.

lol, apparently I'm the top scum read now? Will have to read it tomorrow to see how the hell that happened.
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More than 25 hours still to go for Day2. Why do you have to rush things? You in a hurry?

Town is at a MyLo situation, if there is a consort like MM said.
And you want to rush a lynch?
I would even argue that abstaining is still the best move incase of massmurderer - Mag would get confirmed and, possibly, one of the TPRs.

Yet here you are, still more than 25 hours to go, rushing a lynch on a hunch.

Again, +scum points to you.

I would really appreciate not to get lynched, would that be ok with you guys?