S-FM 225: WIFOM Mafia Q

[Unknown1234]

Also, not sure if I explained it in there but if the joker decides not to visit himself as the first target then he risks himself being seen by a Detective and gets lynched.

This would be a 50/50

[Unknown1234]

I really do understand now why this game is called WIFOM. Mad props to you RLVG.

[Mesk514]

unknown, are you pushing superjack because you joker read him or mafia read him. thats the part im getting mixed up on

[Unknown1234]

@Voss @Fury @thedougler @The Burning Phoenix @Mesk514 @SuperJack

Oops @Gyrlander

[Unknown1234]

unknown, are you pushing superjack because you joker read him or mafia read him. thats the part im getting mixed up on

He's like 0.1% mafia. I don't see why he would try to lynch me as mafia, and he also did a lot of pushing against killing Ccantman I think.

[Mesk514]

He's like 0.1% mafia. I don't see why he would try to lynch me as mafia, and he also did a lot of pushing against killing Ccantman I think.

so if yesterday we were searching for mafia, and we were unsuccesful on that part, shouldn't we continue?

[Unknown1234]

so if yesterday we were searching for mafia, and we were unsuccesful on that part, shouldn't we continue?

The thing is, the joker is very identifiable based on night actions. The mafia will be forced to kill when the joker is gone, since there be 3/4 confirmed non-mafia members (Voss, TBP, Fury, You for the most part). It would force him out of hiding, and even if he didn't kill then it would allow citizens to confirm themselves through visiting.

I didn't look at it yesterday, but hitting mafia is easier with Jester gone. SuperJack still could be both.

[Unknown1234]

The thing is, the joker is very identifiable based on night actions. The mafia will be forced to kill when the joker is gone, since there be 3/4 confirmed non-mafia members (Voss, TBP, Fury, You for the most part). It would force him out of hiding, and even if he didn't kill then it would allow citizens to confirm themselves through visiting.

I didn't look at it yesterday, but hitting mafia is easier with Joker gone. SuperJack still could be both.

Fixed!

[SuperJack]

Why are you copying what I said yesterday Unknown?
Trying to look like your doing something original?

Also. Joker doesn't visit, you claim you didn't visit with Wifom & whalah, back to square 1 with -1 town.

Also, how is Gyrlander less likely Joker than me? Please explain.

[SuperJack]

The thing is, the joker is very identifiable based on night actions. The mafia will be forced to kill when the joker is gone, since there be 3/4 confirmed non-mafia members (Voss, TBP, Fury, You for the most part). It would force him out of hiding, and even if he didn't kill then it would allow citizens to confirm themselves through visiting.

I didn't look at it yesterday, but hitting mafia is easier with Jester gone. SuperJack still could be both.

The whole game is easier by removing a Jester.

[Unknown1234]

*face palm at SuperJack claiming this was his plan*

Joker visits, he literally gets seen visiting his first target that he chooses. You are playing dumb with that question.

rhis point is invalid because Joker does visit.

Because he's not acting like scum. His emotion to being lynched seemed genuine and frankly the joker seems to smart too be him TBH.

[Voss]

i'm awaiting on a host question to figure out why i saw what i saw.

[Mesk514]

i'm awaiting on a host question to figure out why i saw what i saw.

0.0

[Voss]

i'm awaiting on a host question to figure out why i saw what i saw.

though i suspect the answer won't be damning enough one way or the other.

@The burningpheonix did you target someone with 2+ vowels in their name? i'm hoping we didn't stalk the same person.

[Unknown1234]

I refuse to believe that SuperJack was unaware that Joker actually visits people. He's not that oblivious.

[SuperJack]

i'm awaiting on a host question to figure out why i saw what i saw.

Citizens can visit.

[Unknown1234]

Voss if you have info that is helpful to the game then please share it.

What did you think of my plan?

[Unknown1234]

If someone did not self visit and you checked them, you have confirmed them as non-joker at this point.

[SuperJack]

*face palm at SuperJack claiming this was his plan*

Joker visits, he literally gets seen visiting his first target that he chooses. You are playing dumb with that question.

rhis point is invalid because Joker does visit.

Because he's not acting like scum. His emotion to being lynched seemed genuine and frankly the joker seems to smart too be him TBH.

Joker is smart? How? Please state how you know this.

[SuperJack]

I refuse to believe that SuperJack was unaware that Joker actually visits people. He's not that oblivious.

Who did Joker visit last night, and night before?

[Voss]

If someone did not self visit and you checked them, you have confirmed them as non-joker at this point.

can jokers visit someone without putting a bounty on their head...

[Unknown1234]

Joker is smart? How? Please state how you know this.

This question makes me believe you're Joker even more. I said smart, I didn't say I know but you can tell based on night actions (his targets N0 were actually smart given Ika has played Leader multiple times) and he decided to no visit last night as well.

[Unknown1234]

can jokers visit someone without putting a bounty on their head...

@RLVG

[SuperJack]

There wasn't a bounty last night right? Cba going back pages. Or has host finish his actions?

[Unknown1234]

No. No Bounty.

[Unknown1234]

I still think SuperJack is playing dumb. ^^

[SuperJack]

This question makes me believe you're Joker even more. I said smart, I didn't say I know but you can tell based on night actions (his targets N0 were actually smart given Ika has played Leader multiple times) and he decided to no visit last night as well.

So basically not stupid. Need another shovel?m

[Voss]

if i were host of this game, i'd say he/she could do it, and it makes more sense for game play. the rules don't specifically state this though.

[SuperJack]

I still think SuperJack is playing dumb. ^^

Lazy* Difference. SuperJack is being lazy.k

[Unknown1234]

if i were host of this game, i'd say he/she could do it, and it makes more sense for game play. the rules don't specifically state this though.

If the answer is yes, then my entire plan is scrapped.

[Unknown1234]

Lazy* Difference. SuperJack is being lazy.k

But you were able to read the spot that was right in the opening post saying he wasn't finished with night actions. Clearly weren't lazy enough to check anyways.

[Voss]

so can someone explain to me why mechanically some people can't be joker?

[Unknown1234]

It says his actions are to target people, which is seen by investigations. It also follows up with saying specifically that 'targets' are given a bomb.

@RLVG , if the answer to Voss's question is Yes, does it show up to investigative roles?

[Unknown1234]

so can someone explain to me why mechanically some people can't be joker?

You and TBP can't be joker. If thedougler was joker then there wouldn't have been a N0 action from joker since the slot never showed up.

[Unknown1234]

You and TBP can't be joker. If thedougler was joker then there wouldn't have been a N0 action from joker since the slot never showed up.

Mesk is just an assumption right now.

[Unknown1234]

And adding on, Fury is a possibility but less likely because Stealth checked him and would have seen Fury visit him (meaning Stealth would know if he was joker and would probably try to save himself especially since Alijach and himself were at risk).

[SuperJack]

Guys. SuperJack played a pro day 1, got a Jester and two Mafioso killed.

SuperJack persuaded the neutral to reveal and exchange their lynch for a night kill.

This move removes Jester from the game, a move which Benefits town greatly and makes the game much more difficult for all scum, joker and mafia, which benefit from heavily disrupted day chat and jester killing a Townie.

He also brought out more confirmed Town roles and narrowed down the Joker scum list to a select few. Even though Including himself.

SuperJacka actions have perhaps been the more influential to meeting town win requirements.

THIS IS ALL MANIPULATION SUPERJACK IS THE JOKER AND THIS WAS HIS PLAN ALL ALONG.

-unknown, lvp

[SuperJack]

But you were able to read the spot that was right in the opening post saying he wasn't finished with night actions. Clearly weren't lazy enough to check anyways.

I skimmed post rvlg said some shit about night actions not being done. I cba reading RP.
You started making it sound like Joker had to pick a target to visit, making me think the post might of been updated.

[SuperJack]

I'm not gonna vote fury because Mafia visited him n0 night.
So optimum lynch to hit scum through mechanics is:
Me, Unknown, Gyrlander.

From my perspective, it's either unknown or gyrlander.


But lynch should be either Gyrlander or Unknown.

Unless you have solid proof and reasoning someone else is mafia.
I'll read them both tonight.

@unknown please may you pay me royalties?

[Unknown1234]

Nowhere in that sentence says anything about me, throwing in lvl at the end of that sentence is lame.

You still think I'm Joker, where if either of me or Voss's questions end up positive then there is very little chance to me being Joker.

Explain why I make that plan if I'm Joker without making bullshit excuses proven to be false, or claiming it was your idea.

Your plan blends you in with Town. You have 0 idea if Alijach is scum, and you definitely can't guarantee as Stealth or kill him for that matter (unless Joker, slip?)

[SuperJack]

I demand four slices of pizza everytime you act like this was your thing.

[Unknown1234]

It was not at all your plan.

FYI I laugh every time you try to take credit for everything. It's hilarious.

[Unknown1234]

SuperJack, am I still Joker if Voss's question or my question gets a no?

Am I Mafia to you? If so, why? I don't think I'd ever pair myself with the two dead scum but you seem to think I'm evil so I want to hear your reasoning.

[SuperJack]

Nowhere in that sentence says anything about me, throwing in lvl at the end of that sentence is lame.

You still think I'm Joker, where if either of me or Voss's questions end up positive then there is very little chance to me being Joker.

Explain why I make that plan if I'm Joker without making bullshit excuses proven to be false, or claiming it was your idea.

Your plan blends you in with Town. You have 0 idea if Alijach is scum, and you definitely can't guarantee as Stealth or kill him for that matter (unless Joker, slip?)

So basically, my play has been so pro-town, the only alternative you have is that it was all a plan to look like town,

Dispite it making the game much harder to play, especially since there are two evils.

I could understand if there was no Joker and just Mafia, I would do it, but as a neutral killing, you suggest that I would make the game harder for me just to look town.

And no, I pushed until the Loookout was confirmed, stealth looked like scum. What joker wouldn't kill them off? It was stated Jeater lynch, 2 scum, 1 lo.

[SuperJack]

It was not at all your plan.

FYI I laugh every time you try to take credit for everything. It's hilarious.

8 slices now.

[SuperJack]

If your argument is that all my pro-town actions and motives where all a ploy, since the start of the game, to look town. Dispite it making my wincon harder.

You need new glasses.

[SuperJack]

Guys. Voss is scum because he is claiming detective. And he would do that as scum to look town

-Visa

[SuperJack]

Guys. Voss is scum because he is claiming detective. And he would do that as scum to look town

-Visa

-Voss

Sorry messed that vote up.

[Unknown1234]

Your play today has been abominable shit. There's also nothing that suggests a joker couldn't do what you have done. You haven't been as motivating as you think you've been oh high and mighty king SuperJack. Even I don't think you're this cocky normally.

You avoid answering simple questions, play as if you're confirmed Town, and refuse to acknowledge half of what I say. I'm done talking with you until later.

I don't wear glasses and don't need to. My vision is 👌🏻👌🏻

[SuperJack]

Just so it's clear @unknown , a whole pizza is worth 18 slices. It's big pizza. 🍕