points taken
Avivon is looking for Helz help to solve the game.
and Excaliba didn't posted anything substantial
Are they likely scum for these reasons?
why do you feel he is scum in first place?
yes if he is scum he hasn't the confidence needed to come forward obviously.
A few minutes left, time to snipe this shit.
-vote AIVION
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
AIVION has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!
AIVION (5 [L-0]): SuperJack, BananaCucho, Firebringer, secondpassing, TheDarkestLight
BananaCucho (3 [L-2]): AIVION, powerofdeath, Excalibur
Firebringer (1 [L-4]): Frozen Angel
Players Roles BananaCucho
Firebringer
TheDarkestLight
secondpassing
Frozen Angel
powerofdeath
AIVION/ Helz
SuperJack
ExcaliburMafia
Mafia
Chosen Town
Chosen Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Day 2
Frozen Angel was killed last night. She was a member of the Town.
Players Roles BananaCucho
Firebringer
TheDarkestLight
secondpassing
Frozen Angel
powerofdeath
AIVION/ Helz
SuperJack
ExcaliburMafia
Mafia
Chosen Town
Chosen Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
WOW!!
After that flip, FA was my top suspect. Did NOT see that kill coming.
Also, mafia is a FINM and it's hilarious. The fact that I'm still alive proves either A) I'm chosen and they're moronic for not choosing me for not chosen, or B) they didn't think it was smart to kill the one who found their partner and will eventually find them. Hilarious.
Given the flip, I'm looking at interactions/things happening around the time AIVION was having his conversation with me; who ignored AIVIONs scumminess? (This is why I WAS going to open with FA today). FA and Fire had a huge 1v1 at that time, which was a distraction, so Fire is suspect
POD ignored everything, said "still think Banana is scum". Suspect.
Excalibur still suspect for previously stated reasons.
People I'm unwilling to lynch today:
SP - when I was going at it with AIVION, SP was catching onto things I was
TDL - I was leading train and TDL put AIVION even with me. Risky bussing if that was bussing
Everyone else a maybe.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
-vote Powerofdeath
Best pressure for today imo.
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
I think the situation that makes most sense in my head is 1 scum pushing me hard and the other wanting to stay off/looking for town cred
@Firebringer : Your fake scum read and vote and push on me was the fire briner effect. Thanks to that, I was able to pin down AIVION as voting for bad reasons and called him out for not answering why he "vote parked" me for L-1; given you completely ignored the other people voting me though obviously this wasn't the play you were looking for. Why did you ignore AIVIONs scumminess in that FA push?
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Fire can't really count for that. He hammered after FA stated intent to hammer. That could have been looking for a towncred situation like this where he wanted to be on the train after it was inevitable AIVION would be lynched
That 1v1 with FA when neither of them were going yo be lynched and I was the leading wagon was just a distraction I feel.
All scum needed was to leave me at L-2 with AIVION at L-3 and I'm lynched, and he tries to put votes as a distraction on FA. This is scummyOriginally Posted by setup
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
-vote Firebringer
I want a good explanation about your behavior fire. Your turn to come under scrutiny.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
In this type of game I'm unsure if that is the case, I doubt anyone would really think to not push you and lay low. It just seems iffy, especially considering they hadn't had any communication up to that point if I'm correct?
Also, the only person that wasn't on either train is dead, and I sincerely doubt a Mafia lynched his partner.
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
I feel a three train approach is actually good. I recommend everyone put votes on one of these three for the time being.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
If Fire is mafia and he doesn't hammer there and let's FA hammer, today he's suspect for "not lynching AIVION"
I'm not taking him out of the equation, but you voting POD is fine as he's been playing scummy as well. Multiple pressure points are good as whoever had the most votes is lynched at the end of the day.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
I don't know that I am going to bother with the theme anymore. Maybe sometimes.
I don't like Banana but if he led against a Mafia then he is probably town.
Powerofdeath and me were voting with the Mafia so that looks bad but I know I am Town so I will vote Powerofdeath
-vote Powerofdeath
Surely a mafia wouldn't vote for their own team so we can know that everyone who voted Aivion is Town. Then it must be Powerofdeath
Intent to vote Excalibur Colored in Red
Actually I'm trying to think why frozen is dead. I'll look into it later.
powerofdeath (2 [L-2]):
TheDarkestLight, Excalibur
Excalibur (1 [L-3]):
SuperJack
Firebringer (1 [L-3]):
BananaCucho
@secondpassing
Is there a reason you're only stating intent to vote someone at L-3?
@Excalibur
Why did you decide to drop the act completely? What changed to make you drop it?
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
I just feel like 2/3 people voting me at the end of the day being mafia seems too unlikely
I think 6 people voted me yesterday (just from memory) at one time or another. Fire, SP, POD, FA, Excalibur, AIVION
SJ stated intent to.hammer, and then said it was to get me to post a defense. I'll have to review this + his AIVION vote timing and when he said that he was suspicious of AIVION
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
My voting time : https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post586506
I just got back from doing w/e I was doing and saw this:
So quite reactionary. And I am upset how I was not seen as town/null and instead given a scum. Which only shows that this player was trying to hand out some scum reads to cover their tracks.
Fire states he has no intention of leading a lynch @ 6:26 PM (my time)
FA states that its possible 2 scum could be on the same wagon, but even though she is town she was scum reading almost everyone + she thought those of us on POD were more likely to be scum, so I wouldn't use this as a good indicator that both scum WERE on my wagon and she was onto that
Here, about six hours after he stated he doesn't want to lead a lynch (and about 14 hours before day end), Fire starts his push on FA. Given the timing I'm less inclined to believe it was to distract from my push on AiVION
He does mention he's considering an AIVION lynch - but not for being scum. Fire, why did you think AIVION/Helz were the non-chosen? Why is it so important to lynch a no chosen over a scum?
The interaction between Fire and AIVION following after is pinging me on reread. Conversation in spoiler (posts #557-564)
Spoiler : Firebringer+AIVION :
This conversation could be Fire trying to drop subtle coaching to AIVION. AIVION reaches out, "why did you unvote banana? (She was so close to being mislynched!)", and Fore responds, AIVION shortly after unvoted saying it looks fruitless.
Its here where AIVION drops that " paint as scum" slip... Could be that slip came from interacting with Fire, who they planned with to try to mislynch me day 1.
Now. Regarding AIVION, I ask Fire:
Fire COMPLETELY dodges the question with his response:
And then continues his 1v1 with FA, ignoring AIVIONs behavior completely.
Fire, explain everything or eat rope.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
I'm moving SJ into category of no lynch for today
To lynch (one of the below)
Fire
POD
Excalibur
Not to lynch:
SP
TDL
SJ
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
I'm on a phone (on tapatalk usually) and I can't see the vote counts unless I open a browser.
It was Slaols idea and i was trying to continue it, but i had put off responding because i couldnt think of anything original at the time. I dont really think its fair to not play because of something like that. I also couldnt get the spoilers right so it looked silly anyway. I might include some later if it suits me but i want to try to play also
Do you think it's fair to not play by spamming irrelevant meme stuff? Because that's what your account was doing when me and Jack pushed to policy lynch it, and you said it was scummy to push on that. What's the difference to you between not playing by not posting and not playing by spamming nonsense and why is one acceptable and the other isn't?
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Bump
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
I think having fun with a character that might make it hard to understand is better than saying nothing at all. Obviously something beats nothing in terms of being something. That said I am trying to actually learn and it's best if I try it as straight as I can. Getting hated for a joke isn't going to help anyone.
Looks like a new day. That flip was surprising. My first thought it was just a kill to eliminate active players, though I am wondering why me or Banana are alive. NK analysis is usually not my strong suit, so going to kind of gloss over it.
I consider Banana my main suspect, definitely think was a bussing attempt by her.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
Yeah fire is scum. A bus when me and POD are at L-2 and on a player with 0 votes makes 0 sense
As scum I bus only if there is an advantage that can come of it
My scum meta isn't even bussing
Fire you are bad at this. You couldn't mislynch me say 1, not happening today either.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
What does me not leading have anything to do with it? The posting time was exactly how I felt at the time. Why does the time matter?Fire states he has no intention of leading a lynch @ 6:26 PM (my time)
This is troll logic. How does FA stating there was two scum on POD wagon mean there were two scum on your wagon? They are mutually exclusive. We know that AIVION was on your wagon for most of the day, so 1 scum at least. What does that have to do with FA stating two scum on POD?FA states that its possible 2 scum could be on the same wagon, but even though she is town she was scum reading almost everyone + she thought those of us on POD were more likely to be scum, so I wouldn't use this as a good indicator that both scum WERE on my wagon and she was onto that
Like the use of “less inclined” instead of, I know “I was making stuff up to fit my agenda”, glad you admitted though.Here, about six hours after he stated he doesn't want to lead a lynch (and about 14 hours before day end), Fire starts his push on FA. Given the timing I'm less inclined to believe it was to distract from my push on AiVION
AIVION slot was pretty inactive, we were approaching deadline and I was willing to compromise on a inactive slot, which I considered not to be Chosen. That was what I said I would do earlier in case of Excalibur too.He does mention he's considering an AIVION lynch - but not for being scum. Fire, why did you think AIVION/Helz were the non-chosen? Why is it so important to lynch a no chosen over a scum?
The interaction between Fire and AIVION following after is pinging me on reread. Conversation in spoiler (posts #557-564)
And lynching non chosen is more pro town, because mafia can’t night kill them. That should be plainly obvious. Even if we mislynch all the town but keep the not chosen alive. We win.
This is interesting. I didn’t see this when I first read the posts. Should have noticed that.This conversation could be Fire trying to drop subtle coaching to AIVION. AIVION reaches out, "why did you unvote banana? (She was so close to being mislynched!)", and Fore responds, AIVION shortly after unvoted saying it looks fruitless.
Its here where AIVION drops that " paint as scum" slip... Could be that slip came from interacting with Fire, who they planned with to try to mislynch me day 1.
You say this, then quote me when I answer it, and still call it a dodge? Are you mad (this being the british mad as in crazy)Fire COMPLETELY dodges the question with his response:
I considered Frozen scummy, and her behavior seemed to have been avoiding the major wagons, while only giving a bit of input into them. I didn’t consider her input at the time very townie. After the flip, I looked at it and thought she was actually more likely town.And then continues his 1v1 with FA, ignoring AIVIONs behavior completely.
Fire, explain everything or eat rope.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
Lets look at things, first right now.
We know this much, AIVION/Helz most likely picked by everyone as "Not Chosen" couldn't have been picked.
Who are the remaining choices? I think Frozen could have been picked or possibly TDL/SuperJack. No one said me.
That makes me a likely person who got defaulted to Chosen. Well....possible I am not, but I think its a good possibility.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
This game is locked though. All we have to do is get 1 person to vote. Lynches mandatory, but doesn't say you have to have majority, if anyone else votes, you lynch them.
If the person who votes lynches a Chosen, you lynch that person.
Since scum needs both Chosen lynched. Only they have real incentive for lynches right now.
Banana is showing her scum side by saying I should eat rope.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
Before someone says "well they can just lynch the not chosen player", yes but they can't do that forever. Because the player base will dwindle and fewer options left, they will either lynch all the non chosen or kill them. Or they will misplay and lynch Chosen.
This is like a guranteed plan to work.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
I say everyone unvotes, and Banana lynches me. If I flip Chosen, she is completely outted, and you lynch her tomorrow.
The game is then over.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
This is hilarious. Fire, you are hilarious.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho