S-FM 191: Decisions

[BananaCucho]

Yeah that's fine.

Can you explain a bit more your train of thought in this post? I'm not really following it

Actually scum like to "random" the people they don't actually want lynched.

-vote Frozen Angel

[BananaCucho]

Also, if that meant SJ would be mafia, why not vote SJ? Why go into an RVS vote with even less meaning?

[secondpassing]

Yeah that's fine.

Can you explain a bit more your train of thought in this post? I'm not really following it

Someone told me that early trains die quickly. In my own experience added to this, early trains did indeed die off quickly (with the exception of deathworlds in Colder War).
So wouldn't scums want to vote their partners to feign clearing them?

[BananaCucho]

Someone told me that early trains die quickly. In my own experience added to this, early trains did indeed die off quickly (with the exception of deathworlds in Colder War).
So wouldn't scums want to vote their partners to feign clearing them?

Okay, so we call that bussing, where scums vote their partners to separate themselves from them

How does that lead you to unvote me and place a vote on FA, and when you say "actually that makes SJ mafia" why do you vote him? What you're saying and who you're voting don't correlate

[secondpassing]

Also, if that meant SJ would be mafia, why not vote SJ? Why go into an RVS vote with even less meaning?

That would mean that SuperJack would have to be scum first. All it meant was that if SuperJack was mafia, then Frozen Angel is probably mafia/target he doesn't actually want lynched.
So yeah, I'm thinking that maybe him and Elsa are buddies or something. Or nothing, doesn't mean anything if they are town.

[secondpassing]

Okay, so we call that bussing, where scums vote their partners to separate themselves from them

How does that lead you to unvote me and place a vote on FA, and when you say "actually that makes SJ mafia" why do you vote him? What you're saying and who you're voting don't correlate

Bussing is when you actually lynch them. This kind of early vote is like "this guy is mafia hurr durr durr", then when the train dissipates, it's harder for town to pick it back up again, and everyone thinks that those two people aren't on the same team when they actually are.

I was thinking about voting you for a little while just to amp the pressure on whoever did vote you. But decided it wasn't worth as much value as voting someone who analyzed chat and commented on it and then proceeded to not vote.

TheDarkestLight is a veteran player and he should contribute to RVS. That's what I believe he would do.

[BananaCucho]

That makes more sense, but I still don't get why you took a turn for RVS in that TDL vote if you're already analyzing interactions.

I myself don't find early game pre-flip associations to be good, but if you feel something is there why avoid exploring it?

[BananaCucho]

Bussing is when you actually lynch them. This kind of early vote is like "this guy is mafia hurr durr durr", then when the train dissipates, it's harder for town to pick it back up again, and everyone thinks that those two people aren't on the same team when they actually are.

I was thinking about voting you for a little while just to amp the pressure on whoever did vote you. But decided it wasn't worth as much value as voting someone who analyzed chat and commented on it and then proceeded to not vote.

TheDarkestLight is a veteran player and he should contribute to RVS. That's what I believe he would do.

Disagree. Bussing doesn't always lead to lynches

Thanks for walking me through it.

[Firebringer]

Secondpassing you aren't making much sense.

[Firebringer]

-vote BananaCucho

Let's do it.

This was the right openner, move back to this

[secondpassing]

That makes more sense, but I still don't get why you took a turn for RVS in that TDL vote if you're already analyzing interactions.

I myself don't find early game pre-flip associations to be good, but if you feel something is there why avoid exploring it?

Because what you said in other games actually makes sense. I've never found an association before a flip to be correct.

TDL was interacting with me, I was considering voting POD but he didn't comment on anything I wrote.

[secondpassing]

Secondpassing you aren't making much sense.

Sorry. Anyway, nice weapon.

[Firebringer]

Sorry. Anyway, nice weapon.

I am going to use this blade on you if you don't vote with me!

[secondpassing]

I am going to use this blade on you if you don't vote with me!

Currently, I'd rather vote against you than with you >..>

[Firebringer]

Currently, I'd rather vote against you than with you >..>

Okay then, that works too.
In my world, you are with me or you are against me.

There are no middle grounds.

[secondpassing]

Someone told me that early trains die quickly. In my own experience added to this, early trains did indeed die off quickly (with the exception of deathworlds in Colder War).
So wouldn't scums want to vote their partners to feign clearing them?

Actually, the more I think about this the more likely I think this is true.

There was a pre-game.

[secondpassing]

Okay then, that works too.
In my world, you are with me or you are against me.

There are no middle grounds.

Okay, I'm against you. Can you vote TDL with me?

[Firebringer]

Okay, I'm against you. Can you vote TDL with me?

-vote Secondpassing

[secondpassing]

What happened to your blue name? It used to be blue.
Also it used to be "respected" did they lose respect for you?

[secondpassing]

-vote Secondpassing

K.

-vote Firebringer

[Firebringer]

What happened to your blue name? It used to be blue.
Also it used to be "respected" did they lose respect for you?

Someone doesn't want me being blue.

[secondpassing]

Someone doesn't want me being blue.

They should change you to "NOOB".

What the heck are we going to talk about for 72 hours?
I really want to move this train onto every single player, but that would mean that the votes means nothing.

[secondpassing]

Oh! I got it.

New strat:
each of us picks a lover.
If that person dies and flips town, we lynch their lover.

What do you think?

[Firebringer]

They should change you to "NOOB".

What the heck are we going to talk about for 72 hours?
I really want to move this train onto every single player, but that would mean that the votes means nothing.

They should change me to noob.
Now, want to talk about why you think TDL is scummy? Of everyone so far I think TDL and SuperJack seem the most townie.

[secondpassing]

Are the mafia sent their rolecards twice? (Second one with the chosen town on it)
If not, when do the mafia know who the chosen towns are?

[BananaCucho]

They should change you to "NOOB".

What the heck are we going to talk about for 72 hours?
I really want to move this train onto every single player, but that would mean that the votes means nothing.

Just be patient. Someone else will come post, then we engage conversation with them. No point in spamming, or coming up with bad strategies that get us no where.

[secondpassing]

They should change me to noob.
Now, want to talk about why you think TDL is scummy? Of everyone so far I think TDL and SuperJack seem the most townie.

TDL didn't vote. That's pretty much all there is. He said "strong" like twice. POD, forgot what POD said, he didn't vote either.
Actually, I'm pretty sure quite some others didn't vote.

[secondpassing]

Just be patient. Someone else will come post, then we engage conversation with them. No point in spamming, or coming up with bad strategies that get us no where.

Okay, I'll refrain from posting. I'll use the time to think about my strategy.

[Firebringer]

TDL didn't vote. That's pretty much all there is. He said "strong" like twice. POD, forgot what POD said, he didn't vote either.
Actually, I'm pretty sure quite some others didn't vote.

He actually made some comments that I think resonated with me, like with thing about BananaCucho.
Though I still want Banana pressured hardcore and her ignoring me, isn't helping me with that.

I want them sorted so I can ignore that slot till end of this game.

[TheDarkestLight]

TDL didn't vote. That's pretty much all there is. He said "strong" like twice. POD, forgot what POD said, he didn't vote either.
Actually, I'm pretty sure quite some others didn't vote.

Because I'm required to vote instantly in order to be the most pro-town. I'm observing rather than jumping in moronically.

[TheDarkestLight]

He actually made some comments that I think resonated with me, like with thing about BananaCucho.
Though I still want Banana pressured hardcore and her ignoring me, isn't helping me with that.

I want them sorted so I can ignore that slot till end of this game.

You want her to respond but... all you ever do is push for personal reasons. That's unreadable.

[Firebringer]

You want her to respond but... all you ever do is push for personal reasons. That's unreadable.

Get enough people on her wagon, and she will show her colors.

[AIVION]

Someone told me that early trains die quickly. In my own experience added to this, early trains did indeed die off quickly (with the exception of deathworlds in Colder War).
So wouldn't scums want to vote their partners to feign clearing them?

Bussing is when you actually lynch them. This kind of early vote is like "this guy is mafia hurr durr durr", then when the train dissipates, it's harder for town to pick it back up again, and everyone thinks that those two people aren't on the same team when they actually are.

I was thinking about voting you for a little while just to amp the pressure on whoever did vote you. But decided it wasn't worth as much value as voting someone who analyzed chat and commented on it and then proceeded to not vote.

TheDarkestLight is a veteran player and he should contribute to RVS. That's what I believe he would do.

Sounds like he's coming off as attempting to paint targets as scummy instead of scum hunting here.. and potentially directing early game attention

That would mean that SuperJack would have to be scum first. All it meant was that if SuperJack was mafia, then Frozen Angel is probably mafia/target he doesn't actually want lynched.
So yeah, I'm thinking that maybe him and Elsa are buddies or something. Or nothing, doesn't mean anything if they are town.

Sounds like he's doing preflip associations....

Because what you said in other games actually makes sense. I've never found an association before a flip to be correct.

TDL was interacting with me, I was considering voting POD but he didn't comment on anything I wrote.

Yet he's also contradicting himself here... Sounds a bit odd to me.

@Firebringer ... since you're basically at it with SecondPassing at the moment, your thoughts on this?

[TheDarkestLight]

Get enough people on her wagon, and she will show her colors.

So it's just coincidence that you think she's scum again?

[BananaCucho]

Sounds like he's coming off as attempting to paint targets as scummy instead of scum hunting here.. and potentially directing early game attention



Sounds like he's doing preflip associations....



Yet he's also contradicting himself here... Sounds a bit odd to me.

@Firebringer ... since you're basically at it with SecondPassing at the moment, your thoughts on this?

Secondpassing is showing indecisiveness. He wanted to follow one train of thought, changed his mind and went the other way. Not a scum or town tell, but course correcting from pre-flip associating to not doing that after realizing that's a noob move, is town motivated.

[Firebringer]

So it's just coincidence that you think she's scum again?

I am saying she needs pressure, if anything meta wise she is being way too non toxic, which is a terribad reason to scumread someone.

Do you think she is town?

[Firebringer]

@Firebringer ... since you're basically at it with SecondPassing at the moment, your thoughts on this?

He is null at the moment, though some things did stick out for me like the "pre game talk" or something.

[secondpassing]

Sounds like he's coming off as attempting to paint targets as scummy instead of scum hunting here.. and potentially directing early game attention



Sounds like he's doing preflip associations....



Yet he's also contradicting himself here... Sounds a bit odd to me.

@Firebringer ... since you're basically at it with SecondPassing at the moment, your thoughts on this?

Yay, people posted.

"Instead of actually scum-hunting" - I'm actually scum hunting. You saying he "sounds" like he isn't totally isn't helping clarify anything.
Just say it. Am I scum hunting or not?

Don't you do pre-flip associations in your head? All I'm doing is writing it out.

I'll say it for you: YOU aren't scum hunting.

[AIVION]

though some things did stick out for me like the "pre game talk" or something.

Care to elaborate more on this?

[secondpassing]

Secondpassing is showing indecisiveness. He wanted to follow one train of thought, changed his mind and went the other way. Not a scum or town tell, but course correcting from pre-flip associating to not doing that after realizing that's a noob move, is town motivated.

It's actually part of my personality, but whatever.

And for the second point, I'm simply learning from every game I play.

[secondpassing]

Care to elaborate more on this?

The playstyle that only answers questions is annoying.

Why don't YOU elaborate on it?

[SuperJack]

-vote secondpassing

Because.

[Frozen Angel]

@Frozen Angel

Is there a reason you skipped doing an RVS vote today?

Also, Teo says hi

Well I was arguing with other people somewhere else and I wasn't in the mood to do an RVS vote.

Tell Teo hi !

[Frozen Angel]

I saw @Funce reading earlier. No posts. I really don't like that behavior Funce.

second passing didn't vote RVS as well. Selective scum hunting ?

[Frozen Angel]

Actually that means I think SuperJack would be mafia.

-vote TheDarkestLight

because he didn't vote.

I'm not following you .

[secondpassing]

second passing didn't vote RVS as well. Selective scum hunting ?

Spoiler : Greetings. :

Hi there.

Did I need to use RANDOM.ORG to do RVS? Is that what you used?

[Frozen Angel]

Bussing is when you actually lynch them. This kind of early vote is like "this guy is mafia hurr durr durr", then when the train dissipates, it's harder for town to pick it back up again, and everyone thinks that those two people aren't on the same team when they actually are.

I was thinking about voting you for a little while just to amp the pressure on whoever did vote you. But decided it wasn't worth as much value as voting someone who analyzed chat and commented on it and then proceeded to not vote.

TheDarkestLight is a veteran player and he should contribute to RVS. That's what I believe he would do.

Contributing to RVS means voting?

and you say you won't vote people random but he must have done it ?

[Frozen Angel]

Spoiler : Greetings. :

Hi there.

Did I need to use RANDOM.ORG to do RVS? Is that what you used?

nope I didn't vote anyone. your the one who are accusing people who didn't post an RVS vote . :/

[Frozen Angel]

Okay, I'm against you. Can you vote TDL with me?

I'm feeling your a little bit defensive here

[secondpassing]

Contributing to RVS means voting?

and you say you won't vote people random but he must have done it ?

Apparently RVS doesn't equal "Random Voting Stage". Apparently its something else.
No, I guess I didn't random people. Anyway, the fact is that this part of the game we are testing out the waters and building trains on people until enough pressure builds so we can go.
I'm simply contributing to it. And yes, my vote isn't random.